Guild Wars 2

Karalaza.6021:

I actually like this movement – if anet is releasing cultural armor for other races that means male humans could finally get some better looking light armor (like the asura one or norn)…

If this is however not the case for the future – shame on anet for doing this!

My thoughts exactly!

LordByron.8369:

The fact that rare rng situations would make too difficult getting SPECIFIC skins.

Doesn t change how unfair the patch is….

We suggested stuff like put 4 skins in forge: get a chest…

With a 25-30% droprate its really easy…..

Answering a problem with an unfair solution is not fixing it.

how is it fair that people drop 400+ gold precursor… and the best drop i ever seen Worth 40?

Isn t it rng?

I would have been fine with 4 skins in the forge. But ill take any improvement i can get.

It is rng, which is in every mmo. But it is not locked rng. I can still get the precursor with saving gold through work. There is no other way to get fractal weapons which is the issue. You have to play the gambling game. And i hate gambling like many others do.

LordByron.8369:

OMNIBUS.2913:

LordByron.8369:

OMNIBUS.2913:

I was doing fractal 48 daily for awhile, like i have told you a bunch of times and i dont have a lot of skins. 2 of them are duplicates. There is some skill involved but mostly luck like everyone has stated to you many times. All you are doing is trying to milk this oppurtunity for your fractal weapons to stay ridiculous rng. But the worst thing about it u stated people are attacking your horinzontal progression of your fractal weapons. What horizontal progression???! Some people got fractal greatsword on their first fractal 20. You call that progression they made? rng lordbyron rng*.. You are taking so much out of context.

It just suggest me that it hurts being the minority ….

Yet you didn t learn the lesson….Maybe next time….your rare stuff will become common you ll understand to be less selfish.

Tier 3 was alrdy common…even before this. You are not really stating anything with this. Your just saying “learn your lesson”. Maybe becuase you have no arguement i guess. And “selfish” lordbyron is wanting to keep fractal weapons all to yourself, and keeping people who have been working hard left with nothign of cause of rng. I’m being totally unselfish, Saying all tier 3 become available to everyone. Maybe next time you will learn reading comprehension better and understand what im trying to say.

i couldn t afford one before…cost + Crystals for trasmutation were too high.
I can now….

As soon i saw it was a T3 i said to myself i wouldn t get it due to being unfair to T3 owners…. >.>
(even if i digged the flames a lot).

And gold is RNG too…since i never drop something worthy i know what means to be cursed with RNG.
(took 1 year to get the rng skin i wanted just for your info….)

Start to see the issue as damaging “horizontal progression” of a minority rather than with what is better for you.
I lost one year to get few rare skins….(2000+ fractals…or if you prefer 500 dailies of wich 3-400 lvl 48 chests) and i spent crystals also my old sfotm weapon are still statless weapons and not skins.

You lost maybe a month on a T3 and crystals for trasmutation…..

Both of us saw GAME TIME wiped…..

That is what is happening.

Ok Lord byron! I’m sorry you spent 1 year getting the weapon you want running the terrible rng that is fractals. But you have your weapon now, do you really want other people to go through terrible rng chances like you did? You also need to keep in mind some people get their wepon on fractal 20. Does this not irritate you after all the work you put in? That someone got the same weapon you did doing 10x less work.

I personally spent 60-80g buying(plus tons of farming) to get stupid rng dragon coffers when dragon bash came out so i could get the staff. Then they released the weapons to be sellable on tp. I was soooooo happy. HAPPY! You know why? cause anet was finally learning that putting weapons account boudn behind terrible rng was a fail choice. I also didnt care one bit that other people could get the staff for cheaper. yay for them they never have to suffer like i did.

And Lastly, you once again overlooked my main point which is the fact that there are cultural armors that are still exclusive. There should be no exclusivity among cultural armors anymore. It was never about the cost of tier 3 for me.

LordByron.8369:

OMNIBUS.2913:

Your missing my point. Its not fair that norn has a tier 3 that nobody else can have. Asura, charr they all have a tier 3 nobody else can have. They need to make those available for everyone now to be consistent. I dont care if people get tier 3 easily. Even the original is alrdy super ez to get. 20$ and you can get the original set.

As a people dropping 3 precursors can have 3 legendaries…..

Skins drop was consistent…..

You seem to missing the point….
Read manifesto…RARE SKINS were already considered……
RNG or Gold still equals TIME….

Gold is extremely tied to RNG in this game….some people drop precursors…

The most valuable stuff i drop in 2000+ hours Worth 45 G and the second 15G…..

% on fotm weapons were already high (25-30%) at higher levels…unfortunately the fractak system let people confound data saying stuff like “i played 400 fractals”…..

That means you get at MOST 50 lvl 48 chests if you have a single lvl 48 character….
More probably way less.
If you have 2 lvl 48 its at most 5-10 lvl 48 chests…..

I have only one lvl 48 character, and when i got to 48 i only ran 48 and never anything lower. None of my other chars are are past fotm 1 except my ranger is on 10 i think. The root cause once again is you are not guarenteed a weapon for your work. Its rng no matter what. I can at least save gold and buy a precursor. If you really feel this way then let fractal weapons be available on the trader and ill buy my greatsword. thnx.

LordByron.8369:

OMNIBUS.2913:

I was doing fractal 48 daily for awhile, like i have told you a bunch of times and i dont have a lot of skins. 2 of them are duplicates. There is some skill involved but mostly luck like everyone has stated to you many times. All you are doing is trying to milk this oppurtunity for your fractal weapons to stay ridiculous rng. But the worst thing about it u stated people are attacking your horinzontal progression of your fractal weapons. What horizontal progression???! Some people got fractal greatsword on their first fractal 20. You call that progression they made? rng lordbyron rng*.. You are taking so much out of context.

It just suggest me that it hurts being the minority ….

Yet you didn t learn the lesson….Maybe next time….your rare stuff will become common you ll understand to be less selfish.

Tier 3 was alrdy common…even before this. You are not really stating anything with this. Your just saying “learn your lesson”. Maybe becuase you have no arguement i guess. And “selfish” lordbyron is wanting to keep fractal weapons all to yourself, and keeping people who have been working hard left with nothign of cause of rng. I’m being totally unselfish, Saying all tier 3 become available to everyone. Maybe next time you will learn reading comprehension better and understand what im trying to say.

LordByron.8369:

OMNIBUS.2913:

LordByron.8369:

Pixelpumpkin.4608:

• Using cultural armor was a poor choice for two reasons.
  One, Some people are understandably cranky that their already bought 100+ gold armor set is now in the gem store with added particle effects for less than half of what they spent (including transmutation crystals).
  And two, now the entire debate of making cultural armor sets available for all races will start again. So the concept of cultural armor is going out of the window, … when can I have heavy human T3 for my norn?

I’d call it equity this time…..
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/livingworld/fractured/Skin-acquirement-needs-to-stay-hard/page/3#post3261560

People asked skins to be easy accessible to everyone without having to grind?

how does that differs…..

It figures you would come in here and say that….. Aside form the fact that cultural armor is still exclusive for everyone else except light humans, which needs to change now to be fair. All t3 should be available for everyone now. Fractal weapons are RNG. What are fractal weapons?RNG. And whats the only way to get them? RNG. That alone makes it completely different! T3 is saving up gold with 100% gaurentee of getting it.

i am not a troll so i won t answer i m happy for what they did with T3…
As soon i saw it i just was glad i didn t buy one….

But i hoped at least served to make some people understand its not fair to attack the HORIZONTAL progression of few players….

If it wasn t enough, don t worry if fotm and T3 skin mess will be accepted there will be lot more soon….

Maybe when everything will be common it will fix itself, in the meantime we have random minorities progression dleted….

(p.s. and being random doesn t mean not involving skill.. i think people able to play efficiently fotm 48+ already posted their collections of entire bank slots full of skins… could link mine if you need… but this is OT).

I was doing fractal 48 daily for awhile, like i have told you a bunch of times and i dont have a lot of skins. 2 of them are duplicates. There is some skill involved but mostly luck like everyone has stated to you many times. All you are doing is trying to milk this oppurtunity for your fractal weapons to stay ridiculous rng. But the worst thing about it u stated people are attacking your horinzontal progression of your fractal weapons. What horizontal progression???! Some people got fractal greatsword on their first fractal 20. You call that progression they made? rng lordbyron rng*.. You are taking so much out of context.

LordByron.8369:

OMNIBUS.2913:

LordByron.8369:

OMNIBUS.2913:

LordByron.8369:

voidwater.2064:

Why do you assume your personal tastes are some kind of universal standard? Why do you project your own desires onto others?

Can you really say most people have your idea about skins?

Well we know it isn t true…

If a random poster word (me) is not sufficient you may read various articles about it that were discussed since 10 years ago…. maybe.

Just because is Always fun to discuss the same old basic concepts of Mmorpgs

What about the last 5 posters that don’t share your idea. I guess thats not sufficient enough either lol.

I hope you have a human cultural T3 you will feel how it is to be on the “minority side”.

Told you the same concept could be used for other skins…..well i was not wrong.

I do have tier 3 light. I’m totally fine with them adding it for all races, under 1 condition. They also add every other t3 for every race. Cause now its not fair that the other races have exclusive stuff except human light. Make everything not exclusive and the issue is solved.

What?
is not fair that someone have easy stuff you have and you can t have their?

Do you start to understand?

As i said…
Make my skins common….but make also other skin common and i m fine…
Make ONLY skin of a minority common….and you have ruined few players progression…

I think you could call that “karma”.

On one thing you are right…its not the same thing…its still way worse for fotm skins but at least you got a taste of unequity.

Your missing my point. Its not fair that norn has a tier 3 that nobody else can have. Asura, charr they all have a tier 3 nobody else can have. They need to make those available for everyone now to be consistent. I dont care if people get tier 3 easily. Even the original is alrdy super ez to get. 20$ and you can get the original set.

LordByron.8369:

OMNIBUS.2913:

LordByron.8369:

voidwater.2064:

Why do you assume your personal tastes are some kind of universal standard? Why do you project your own desires onto others?

Can you really say most people have your idea about skins?

Well we know it isn t true…

If a random poster word (me) is not sufficient you may read various articles about it that were discussed since 10 years ago…. maybe.

Just because is Always fun to discuss the same old basic concepts of Mmorpgs

What about the last 5 posters that don’t share your idea. I guess thats not sufficient enough either lol.

I hope you have a human cultural T3 you will feel how it is to be on the “minority side”.

Told you the same concept could be used for other skins…..well i was not wrong.

I do have tier 3 light. I’m totally fine with them adding it for all races, under 1 condition. They also add every other t3 for every race. Cause now its not fair that the other races have exclusive stuff except human light. Make everything not exclusive and the issue is solved.

And its not the same concept at all cause tier 3 cost gold and fractals weapons are RNG. The issue of some people getting the weapon they want on fractal 20 while others working there kitten off to get it is still there. But now at least the rng is not as terrible with the box.

LordByron.8369:

Pixelpumpkin.4608:

• Using cultural armor was a poor choice for two reasons.
  One, Some people are understandably cranky that their already bought 100+ gold armor set is now in the gem store with added particle effects for less than half of what they spent (including transmutation crystals).
  And two, now the entire debate of making cultural armor sets available for all races will start again. So the concept of cultural armor is going out of the window, … when can I have heavy human T3 for my norn?

I’d call it equity this time…..
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/livingworld/fractured/Skin-acquirement-needs-to-stay-hard/page/3#post3261560

People asked skins to be easy accessible to everyone without having to grind?

how does that differs…..

It figures you would come in here and say that….. Aside form the fact that cultural armor is still exclusive for everyone else except light humans, which needs to change now to be fair. All t3 should be available for everyone now. Fractal weapons are RNG. What are fractal weapons?RNG. And whats the only way to get them? RNG. That alone makes it completely different! T3 is saving up gold with 100% gaurentee of getting it.

You have my vote. down with kiel :] and bring me abbadon awesomeness.
in b4 scarlet would be in abbadon fractal. If she was it would be the end of gw2. Cause it would confirm to the community that anet is kittened!

Totbot.4583:

Glenstorm.4059:

Totbot.4583:

This seems like such a non issue.

People will still see your super special T3 armor and know you paid 119g for it. Nothing changed there. Hell, the gem store version even gives you less flexibility in looks since you have to go with the flame motif with it. The t3 doesn’t.

Maybe get gear you think looks good and stop worrying about other people?

If it was any other type of armor or weapon (heck, even Legendaries), it wouldn’t bother me.

But the whole point, the WHOLE blessed point of Cultural armor was that is was exclusive to each race.

Making it (T3, no less!) available to every other race is just wrong, and unfair.

It still looks different. Your T3 doesn’t have stupid fire particle effects.

Use what YOU think looks good. If you’re worried that other people won’t be drooling over your T3 anymore then don’t worry. T3 has been pretty common for a long time.

The difference, a little bit of flames(it doesnt really look that different). and he is upset about the cultural aspect ruined not the t3 factor.

Totbot.4583:

This seems like such a non issue.

People will still see your super special T3 armor and know you paid 119g for it. Nothing changed there. Hell, the gem store version even gives you less flexibility in looks since you have to go with the flame motif with it. The t3 doesn’t.

Maybe get gear you think looks good and stop worrying about other people?

But the fact that you can get fiery version of tier 3 human light for all races is an issue. I cant play human theif and get norn tier 3. But any light armor can get human tier 3. Unless they put all t3 in the gemstore, there is exclusive t3 armor for everything in the game except human light armor wearers. wait whaaat? u cant see the issue?

After it was revealed scarlet was behind the nightmare tower i had a feeling this would happen for thaumonova or w/e its called. Not surprised#

Now that they have done this the only logical thing left to do is get rid of “cultural” and make all the t3 armors wearable by all races. And put them in the gemstore too with other effects. Its only fair. I’ll take norn t3 on my human, would like to see how the charr armors looks on human as well.

They need to add all other cultural armors to the gemstore available for all races. Otherwise its not really fair… If i would have known they were going to do this i would have made a norn and bought t3 light instead of making a human specifically for t3 >.< ugh

LordByron.8369:

voidwater.2064:

Why do you assume your personal tastes are some kind of universal standard? Why do you project your own desires onto others?

Can you really say most people have your idea about skins?

Well we know it isn t true…

If a random poster word (me) is not sufficient you may read various articles about it that were discussed since 10 years ago…. maybe.

Just because is Always fun to discuss the same old basic concepts of Mmorpgs

What about the last 5 posters that don’t share your idea. I guess thats not sufficient enough either lol.

I wouldnt mind dragonite ore being from world bosses if they increased the amount u get. The great jungle wurm and shadow behemoth for example should give at least 10-15 ore and the dragon events should give 30. Temples can give 50. This way it doesnt feel so grindy doing the world bosses over and over again. It would also giv us more options especially since temples hav been bugged so often lately :/. And to those saying dragonite ore is easier to get. Im pretty sure the playerbase that actually tries to get ascended weapons are in the opposite boat. Cause its generally dungeon/fractal runners who want ascended stuff and not casuals who do lots of zerg content.

LordByron.8369:

MithranArkanere.8957:

In the end people don’t get these skins to show off, nobody goes aroud looking at other people’s gear. People get the gear mostly for themselves. To make their character look the way they want to.

totally false….

Ac skins are awesome…. Nobody use them
Zenith skins are really cool……nobody wants them

Arah skins are quite ugly….. so many people uses them….
Lliadri is an awful mini….. really popular

Rare skins have a great importance in games…..and FOTM are the only rare skins related to actually PLAYING and somehow related to skill.

Other are just related to Gold and Gems….and that suggests me why they are ruining fotm skins rarity….

Hes right about people mostly getting gear for themselves. But i do think there is a little showing off involved. Having rarer stuff isnt the only way one can show off. I see awesome looking characters out there that dont have anything rare. And just to prove you wrong in my case. I love the arah skins look. I knew immediately when i first started playing gw2 that i was getting dragons deep staff for my necro to match wraith eyes! I had no idea of arah’s difficulty compared to the other dungeons. I just wanted the skin.
I did the same thing for my ranger and nightmare weapons. And my ranger is still rocking nightmare weapons and looking awesome :] I dont even care for the remodeled “rarer” weaps cuz the pink just looks better on my char.
I also decided to get fractal greatsword for my guard before i even knew how to get it(proof that the prestige doesnt matter to me). I saw someone wondering around a map with a huge misty sword and i wanted it! I then later realized it was a huge mistake to go for the sword cuz the chance of getting it is so low and it cant be bought like other weapons. I put so much time getting ar, ascended stuff, and getting up to fractal 48 that i kept tryign to get it anyway. I considered using jotun greatsword alternative but the sword is just too small for my taste :/.
Zenith skins are all over the place btw, seriously there everywhere!

I have a ton of emp fragments from doing dungeons. Dragonite ore i dont hav that much of cuz only some world bosses giv a good amount, the bosses are on timers so u cant get ore wenever u want, and many of the temple events are bugged on some servers making it even harder. I also rarely wvw.

Bad Wolf.1879:

Most of these “mean people” were/are picked on in there real life. The Internet and gaming allows them to live out there superiority fantasys from a place of anonymity, without the consequences they would face in real life if they acted that way. Feel good that you still have some real life self worth and don’t have to act like those gamers.

This. And many people treat this game like their second job( or their only job lol) and hold others to high standards. 1 mistake or sign of imperfection and your fired!!!

Fafnir.5124:

I got my first a greatsword at my first fotm 20. I said it once and ill say it again fotm skins are not hard to get at all if you do 2 fotm a day you will get 4 a week.

Please stop spreading your scewed preception of how not hard fractals weapons are to get. Not everyone is as luky as you. Fractal greatsword on your first 20??!!! If i add up everythign I have ran and put it into your formula of running 2 fotm a day for a week to get 4… Then technically i should have over 30 weaps! I have 9.Not to mention all the time you put in to not get what you want….This box to choose your weap is needed for the unlucky people who would otherwise never get the weapon they want.

There is actually a weird glitch i got once in AC P1. Where stability and stunbreak didnt save me and i was stuk in a continuous knockdown loop :/. I’ll never forget cuz i did everythign to survive it. I really did have to watch myself die!

I never thought ranger was hard to play. In fact they seem pretty ez to me. I have all the weapons and i switch depending on the situation. Mostly zerker gear with a few knights trinkets. I almost always bring frost spirit unless i know it will die. Master’s bond is pretty fun too. If your pet can’t get 1 shot i can have a super tanky powerful kitty !!

I think rangers a great and fun profession that suffer in one-shot mechanic scenarios, since their pet will usually die depending on what it is.

LordByron.8369:

Daishi.6027:

AnthonyOrdon.3926:

Unfortunately the change doesn’t apply to items that have already been acquired. Ultimately that’s what I wanted but there was a pretty severe technical limitation on this, so we thought it would be better to make the newly items work this way rather than postpone the conversion any longer.

Also, at higher Fractal levels the weapon skins become more common, and also start dropping in a container that lets you pick the one you want.

Send a free fine transmutation stone for every non “skin” fractal item. =D (maybe to a max of 2-4 per account if potential for abuse)

what you call “abuse” could be “compensation”…

1) we already used many trasmutations (i used about 10 already on fractal skins)
2) fractal weapon are becoming common (lvl 10 + boxes)..consider they are the bad copy of zenith weapon………do you think they will remain popular for long?
3) skins and level were the ONLY reward we got since you often ended up with a 50 silver reward for 1,5 hours of fractals (and chances to fail and go home after 2+ hours with only expenses EXPECIALLY if you pugged)….with no tokens to spend in something worthy to salvage.

I don t think so….

I d still prefer they just kept the current rarity….but fotm players are the most ill-treated player in the game since fotm release….

In response to your #2, I’ll keep wearing fractal weapons even if they are not as rare or popular. I want the skin, not the “prestige”. I’m very happy about this change, picking your weap is so much better.

Severen Pendragon.3902:

Once anyone/everyone has a Fractal wpn., who will still want one? Duh.

I will! my guard will keep using them :]

StarDroid.1038:

Well that lvl 10-19 part makes me wonder…
Wiki now says you can’t get skins at thous lvls, but the last update was only few days ago…
Their are already so few items in game that show your dedication or rng luck and can’t be simply bought with money… If after the next patch people will start getting skins from lvls 10 it will be a sad day. I spend a long long time until I got my sword, sb, pistol and frankly I don’t want other to have it easy now…

Many will not agree, but if I can chose my skin then the drop rate of thous boxes should be very low, because getting your skin should be something you really want and give it a lot of time and some may get lucky, some may not get lucky, it life/rng… It needs to be hard so after you get it you would get a feeling of a achievement for your self.

This update makes me worry, because I don’t want fractal skins to become dungeon skins. Don’t make them more common plz plz plz…. Don’t carter this time to general public, lets us 1-15% of players be happy with our skins.

So now that you got your skin you want nobody else to have it? get over yourself….This rng crap was bad from the beginning and if your honest with yourself you know it is too. I could care less if a bunch of people have it, its the only thing that matches my guard! The dedication is just an excuse, rng is the source. If you wana feel special buy the staff scythe skin or ghastly grinning shield on tp lol. And lower lvls the drop rate will probably still be really bad.

in b4 someone says fractal weapons are the only ones you cant buy and have to earn! You hardly earn them, unless of course u ran millions of fractals you just got lucky!

AnthonyOrdon.3926:

Also, at higher Fractal levels the weapon skins become more common, and also start dropping in a container that lets you pick the one you want.

OMG YEEEEESSSSS, ok im much happier now

AnthonyOrdon.3926:

Spoiler: there was always a rare chance to get them in the 10-20ish. The only change we made was to make them skins so you can apply them without spending a transmutation stone.

Not that it matters since i dont do the lower lvls but when you say rare you must mean, Extremely Ultra Super Rare. .00000001% chance. Cause i never heard of it happening before lol.

Fafnir.5124:

40% drop rate of fotm skins at level 48 so if you don’t have them I contest you aren’t really trying. Some one 2/5 in party always get skins. Im at 1k fotms

I tried for awhile but slowly started running them less and less. Getting no weapons doing 5-10 fractal 48’s in a row tends to have that affect. :/

Wooboost.8527:

OMNIBUS.2913:

Fafnir.5124:

I got over 30 fotm skins all but one type so I really don’t think they need to be made easier to get

Its nice that u were luky, But some of us are kitten ed to be getting bad luk all the time. I have 9 skins. 2 of them being staffs and 2 of them being warhorns. 6 i will never use. I’m almost at the 500 fractal frequenter ugh. I just want greatsword.

Ha! Lucky, ha! “I’m almost at the 500 fractal frequenter” HA! You’re still new to fractals buddy. I have at least 40 skins, it took me at least 6 months grinding to get the skin(s) I wanted. When I say grinded I mean I ran up to 6 fractals a day for chance at getting skin. I have 1 character at 48, 3 characters at 38, and 1 character at 28. I cannot speak for everyone but luck didnt help me at all, it was persistence and patience.

6 times a day is a ridiculous rng grind. U also stated u only have one character at 48. Running a bunch of fractals below 40 wasn’t helping u as much as running a 48. If i ran fractals 28 and 38 i would probably be well over 500 as it takes less time. And Srry u werent luky enough to get the skins u wanted sooner. rng still fails…

Umut.5471:

I want largos as a playable race more than tengu.

I’d like to see largos as well but if any new race makes it in it will more than likely be tengu imo.

panzer.6034:

It’s mainly a matter of 2 people putting in vastly different amounts of work and the result is the person who hardly did anything gets the prize while the person who spends 50+ more hours gets nothing. Some dude doing a level 10 and getting an easy drop vs some dude doing a 20 and getting an easy drop is inconsequential by comparison.

and the fact that you can possibly never get the weapon u want. Or spend as much time doing fractals trying to get a weapon when you could’ve been doing other things and guarenteed another awesome weapon. At least we get gold now though.

Gasoline.2570:

And I’m having a difficult time seeing people run 40s even moderately and not getting a drop. ~75% of the runs I had in 40s had a guy link a weapon at the end. And my luck is generally very poor regarding drops in the game, so this is one instance I cannot believe anyone who claims 40s wont drop anything if you do them daily.

the last few runs i’ve done at 48 nobody has gotten a weapon. believe it or not, its true lol.

Fafnir.5124:

I got over 30 fotm skins all but one type so I really don’t think they need to be made easier to get

Its nice that u were luky, But some of us are kitten ed to be getting bad luk all the time. I have 9 skins. 2 of them being staffs and 2 of them being warhorns. 6 i will never use. I’m almost at the 500 fractal frequenter ugh. I just want greatsword.

Angelic.1365:

It took a lot of luck, some work and way more luck for me to get the skins i really wanted. It was worth it. Skins will lose their appeal if they become as easy as everything else.

Fixed

Whitey.6185:

I really don’t get why a lot of people complain about the Dredge fractal (and I’ve even been in groups where people would leave and re-enter if they got it first).

The Dredge fractal is easy and not even that long, what is everyone’s problem with Dredge fractal?

not even that long? it takes the most time out of all the fractals. In fractal 48 it can take double the time of swamp/water/ice/ascalon fractals :S

Hermes.7014:

32.5% is not low, imho. There are stuff like Ascended weapon boxes that have much much lower odds of dropping.

u forgot to factor in the 1/19 chance of getting the weapon u want. Which makes it really really low… oh and ascended weapons can be crafted, there is no other way to get fractal weapons.

Anyway im with u dogger. This type of rng is terrible

Fafnir.5124:

They are increasing reward for longer fractals so that reward will reflect time spent. Dredge was already rewarding through bags it will be interesting to see what they add.

I would always rather do any short fractal rather than dredge for those bags. Just saying..

Or how about getting rid of rng altogther..i think that is the best move. It’s a shame their leaving it behind rng. I get really sad to see people with fractal greatsword and they dont even have an ascended backpiece…. It just tells me they got luky in a low lvl fractal(good for them tho) and me who has been doing 48 is still left empty handed….account bound rng is the worst!

It depends if the drop rates have went up or not. Either way pure rng is kittened and always(i repeat) always* a bad move! At least other weapons are buyable on the trader. The fractal weapon situation disgusts me …. I’m still waiting to see if shards of mist essence and pristine relics will be useful for anything.

Yargesh.4965:

Farzo.8410:

Maybe.

That’s all there is to it.

This.

fair enough haha. I hope in 2014 at last!

I have made 1 profession of every class except warrior! I’m currently waiting on tengu to become playable so i can make a kitten tengu warrior!!! (I have had this idea since release lol)But i have a feeling tengu might not make it in cause of the focus on living story. What do you guys think? I dont expect to hear from anet cause that would be a big reveal.

Moving this topic. please delete

I just made my first engineer yesterday and i have to say i was immediately put off by the hobosacks lol. Nice to see i’m not the only one and hope a change comes soon! I would prefer the toggle on/off option the best :]

This fractal is just annoying cuz it usually ends up taking the longest >.< .

Atm we can easily apply perma weakness which is great for keeping pugs alive :] . I dont bring my necro into high fractals not cause i think they would be bad but i prefer having my own reflects.

I didnt really use this trait in pvp but i use it a lot in pve for my condition build. Adding both defence and damage its such a useful trait. IMO they should just leave it alone, but if they really gunna nerf it make it a pvp/pve split so it can still be great in pve!

I never thought staff as a damaging weapon so this change is kinda weird. It’s more utility than ever now!

Anet please consider leaving weakening shroud to a pvp only change. Necros are not a very desired class to party with in pve and nerfing weakening shroud for the sake of pvp is not helping!

NOOOO weakening shroud!!!! It should be a pvp only change. It is so useful for condition when stacking ;[ conditions dont need to be nerfed for pve. Vital persistance to 50% is nice though. But PLEASE not weakening shroud nerf…