Guild Wars 2

Stine.5723:

If you guys use gw2lfg you would notice that more and more people only look for full dps warriors and a mesmer for CoF path 1. To me I find this not only irritating but it ruins the whole dungeon experience for everyone else.

I’d say most people are happy with that. Also you missed the part, where you tell us what gives you the right to decide how others should play.

If you need to pay for this path maybe you just don’t deserve the title.

Putting the badges to event rewards would be a great improvement of WvW. Right now jumping puzzles are the best way simply because they are a lot faster. Also 1 guaranteed badge for killing supply dolyak or sentry wouldn’t destroy WvW but make it a lot better for people that just want the badges.

Beast.9516:

Currently people can place orders for items at 1c per item, which effectively shuts down instant selling for that item since you can’t sell them for 1c even if you wanted to.

This is not the problem. The problem is that there is no one that puts a buy order above the vendor value. I guess you were trying to sell some item that almost no one wanted to buy. With most items 1c offers mean nothing, if people want the item they will place an order, for which the item can be sold.

Erebus.7568:

but actually doing the full run as it was intended is a completely other story

A story never told :P
(srsly you expect people that go there for the tokens to kill trash mobs?)

Troppo.1683:

Ohh yeah, fast loot, that’s all that matters for many players (farmers) out there.

What’s wrong with that?

And you guys have a problem.

What problem exactly?

Skipping it’s something I find not fun. That’s my opinion, and I’m entitled to hope many others shares mine

Well, they don’t. If there weren’t so many people skipping guys like you wouldn’t cry on forums and ask to eliminate something devs are comfortable with. It’s actually sad. For you.

I’m well aware this post will be very unpopular amongst the farmers, but I care about my fun, not about their loot.

And they care about their loot and not about your fun. Maybe you shouldn’t play with them?

If the dungeon is faster with skipping, your group will always want to skip. So I’m obliged to skip. Welcome to reality.

Most people aren’t content locusts. They prefer to be fast and efficient. And I have no idea what is wrong with that.

That’s your opion. Mine is different. I’m entitled to express it. If that makes you upset it’s your problem. Don’t read forums if you can’t stand with someone else opinion.

Same goes for you.

I was unaware that the devs already expressed their position about skipping.
This makes me sad.

I still hope they may change their mind in the future, like they did with waypoint rezzing middle fight, and I hope posts like mine may help them rethink.

I doubt this will happen. Skipping is a valid tactic most players are happy about so why would they change it. Players thinking like you are in a minority. Of course you can express your opinion but don’t expect that people will suddenly change their playstyle just because you want them too. In the end people will still skip and you will still have a problem with them. And they still won’t care.

Erebus.7568:

actually every mmo throughout the last 15 years with 2 exceptions which i can mention but sure. let us wonder in your great knowledge -.-

I bet they also let you insult devs in those MMOs as well.

edit: not even wow with its extreme playerbase and constant mainstream theme allows blatently exploiting -.-

If you consider skipping (which is ok for the devs) and dodging (game mechanics) as exploiting and cheating then don’t get surprised people don’t get banned. I hope you didn’t played GW1, it would be a nightmare for you.

Erebus.7568:

can’t wait till wildstar(or the next intertaining mmo) comes out, hopefully they will handle blatant cheaters with more consequence….

Not going to happen, no one shares your definition of cheating. Doesn’t it make you sad to be so alone?

timmyf.1490:

Are you all about 6m speed runs? Fine. Be open about it when you try to party up and make it easier for us to avoid you.

“lf3m full dps wars cof p1 farm” – what can be more open than that?

5-6 minutes i think

Mirta.5029:

They “survive” without it. Have played with Berserkers. Sitting on the floor downed does not count for damage. Of course CoF is the easiest dungeon at this point. It’s going to be upped in difficulty though.

There are a lot of people that can’t stay alive in berserker gear, but there are others who can. It’s like with skipping – if you can’t do it efficiently then you shouldn’t do it at all. I had a lot of runs with zerkers and those were the best runs i had. If game balance will shift in some other way than good people will just adjust.

Phoenix.7845:

Phoenix.7845:

Most cof gear is berserker.

Only 33%.

Yeah, but i haven’t seen a warrior in full cof gear with other stats than zerkers.

MuffinOrama.7531:

There will always be elitist people, but most of us are just trying to get our legendaries, ascended gear or unique exotics as fast as possible. I mean, we could either run with a regular group and get 4-5 gold an hour or run with a speedrun group and get 7-10 gold an hour. Which would YOU chose?

This pretty much sums it up. Many of the speed runners/farmers are normal, friendly players who just want to get some money for stuff they want. They also have their way of enjoying the content and it is fine. There is a ton of threads complaining about speed runs, elitism etc. The solution is always the same: play with like minded people

/excited
/clap
/pout

Mirta.5029:

It’s noobish to run full berserker gear without getting any toughness AND accept only warriors.

Why would they get toughness if they can survive without it? Also they don’t accept only warriors, there is one mesmer in the team!

You’re talking about farming runs. Elitist speedrunners do not even accept cof gear, they ask specifically for berserker’s.

Most cof gear is berserker.

AmateurGod.5403:

Dungeons in GW2 are getting dangerously filled with jerks who just want to skip, zerk and bully any player who actually wants to enjoy the content of the game.

Calling other people jerks just shows your lack of culture. Also those people also enjoy the game, but in a different way. What makes your playstyle better than theirs?

What the hell is up with these nasty people on dungeons keen on not letting others enjoy the game?

You mean the ones rattling about how skipping is exploiting and crying on forums how most of the people don’t want to change their playstyle just because they want them to?

It’s really starting to get under my skin.

Too bad for you. Luckily, most people don’t have that kind of problems

Or I am delusional in trying to help other players, not skipping mobs and enjoying the content the developers created for us?

Judging from the amount of posts that condemn skipping there are some people that think like you. Why don’t you play with them? Sure, those people are a minority but I think you should be able to collect five of them to form a party.

One time 2 people on my party said they wanted to kill the mobs instead of skipping them in TA “also for the loot” and the reply was “LOOT? go farm Orr instead LOL”.

Mobs in orr seem to be a better choice for farming. Unfortunately mobs in dungeons have poor droprates so people skip them. They could answer in more polite manner though.

One time I was in a group where 3 of us kept dying trying to skip the mobs and 2 random players who refused to stop running kept going without us knowing we were being unable to pass the mobs. I stayed behind trying to help these new players who were seemingly lacking in evasive skills (one of them was a low level engineer and still learning I guess). Eventually they came back for us when they realized they couldn’t kill the final boss by themselves. I told them how stupid of a strategy it was to ignore that more than half of your team was dead and unable to progress. I was then called a noob and kicked out. Bad for them, though, I was the instance creator.

Unfortunately people don’t understand that if the team doesn’t have the skill to skip efficiently they shouldn’t do it. But this is a problem with the people not skipping itself.

I don’t care if some human gamer bots want to run back and forth killing the same 2 bosses and dodging the same five fire balls every 8 minutes. But why do we all have to accommodate to this mindless-grind playstyle of people who only care about the gold per second ratio?

You don’t have to, isn’t that wonderfull?

TLDR: skip-elitist-zerkers are ruining the game.

Nope, they aren’t. That’s only your point of view.

AmateurGod.5403:

Blix.8021:

AmateurGod.5403:

What do you think?

I think this horse has been beaten enough.

If it’s still happening and more and more often, I guess that horse needs something else besides a beating.

This horse is very strong and can take insane amount of beating.

Daecollo.9578:

Maybe if they didn’t give bosses/mobs so much HP, reducing the mobs HP by 80% and giving them more interesting scripts would go a long way to prevent skipping.

That is a very good suggestion, I hope to see this in the future.

Hasteo.6437:

I really don’t understand why people care about people gold farming path 1?

That is a very good question. I think they may be tushy tormented.

Mirta.5029:

The ones that want wars only are normally noobs that don’t know how to play.

Because it is extremely noobish to do things efficiently.

It’s the run fast elitist groups that want DPS only.

It’s the run for farmers. Most of those wars have full cof gear. Nothing elite about that.

Some people want a specific combination of classes to do some path of a dungeon. Why is that a problem? Many people played gw1 before where team builds were normal and in gw2 suddenly it’s elitism.

Harrason.1429:

Why is it necessary for people to show elitism?

Show elitism how exactly? Is having a warrior with full cof gear and zerker exotics elite?

Why do they want to do it as fast as possible?

If someone can do cof p1 in ~6 minutes why would he want to do it slower?

A base CoF 1 run would net 15+21 silver from bosses. Throw in 5s for the chests that appear. So you have around 40 silver per run at base.

Not true. With 30% more money cookie you get 13 silver from first boss, 10 silver from chest after acolyte event and 20 silver from last boss. Also you get ~2 bags which give ~3 silver and 2,6 silver for completing (at full DR). this gives about 52 silver per run and when selling trash it goes up to ~60 silver per run.

If you need the ore for crafting, you may consider buying it on TP. 250 platinum costs about 25 silver. Instead of farming platinum you could do cof p1 once and get 3 stacks in 10-15 minutes.

Most bosses aren’t challenging at all, but they have insane amount of hp. The trashes also have too much hp and there are a lot of silver mobs so people just skip them. For most people it’s not about getting a lot money per run, they count how money can get per minute. So if something takes long to kill and doesn’t drop much, then it’s not worth the effort. As for Kholer pugs have problems with him so when going with a pug I don’t want to kill him. When going with good group that can kill him quickly there is no problem.

What is the problem with doing Jormag three times? Each time you are doing the event so you earn the reward. People are farming dungeons, why can’t they farm dragons? As for ori nodes i think they’ll make it impossible to collect on other server once you collected a specific node once per day. Finding a server which has uncontested dungeon – what’s wrong with this? All i can see are more happy players.

Malediktus.9250:

No, trash mobs should be challanging. If they die too quickly they might as well get deleted.

I think they should die on one hit, they are fillers after all. If trashes are extremely easy rhen boss encounters would be considered a lot tougher by comparison. Now most bosses just die slower than trashes and there is nothing really special about them. Also silver mobs would be something special, now i Arah they are just standard mobs, that die slow and have poor drops, so if people just skip them and proceed to more worthy encounters.

Then anet can just fix safespots like they fixed safespot in snow fractal and the problem is gone.

Shiren.9532:

The problem is, many players don’t care about skipping, many don’t want to do it, but when the norm has become to skip, it’s assumed that skipping is the strategy to use. People don’t look for a group and specify they will skip stuff, we now have to specify we plan to kill Kholer because he is skipped so often.

You only specify non standard requests. Non-skipping players are the minority and they should adjust. If most players want to skip why would they stop? Because there is a group that likes to kill mobs? So they may play with each other and the problem is gone.

It’s common to see incredibly long TA runs because players want to skip content resulting in many failed runs by one or two people, when the entire run would have been much faster had people spent 30 seconds killing a pack or wolves or a couple Nightmare Court mobs.

It’s not a problem with skipping but with people who don’t have the skill to do it correctly and lack of group coordination. When you skip, you skip as a group, if anyone fails the group fails – simple as that.

Skipping is a problem because people are forcing their play style (skipping content) onto others. Your post goes both ways.

Yet people who skip are happy with the current state of the game, anet says skipping is a valid tactic, maybe the problem are non-skippers who think every group will adapt their playstyle?

Feanturo.2059:

Just make trash and bosses follow you infinite, and dont reset them on stealth (they just stay at the position were you stealthed).

Should make skipping a lot harder (there may still be ways) but this a rather good solution i think.

Skippers would just use chars with a lot of stealth and skip anyway. The cause of skipping isn’t in the game it’s in the people and you won’t “fix” them.

Erebus.7568:

p2,p3 is around just as hard as p1, p4, the only diff is bosses(which is only a real diff at p4 due to dwayna being a kitten if people doesnt know how and even here it can be an issue due to spark ai.) and how easy you can run pass mobs….. you would know this if you actually cleared the mobs instead of running and didnt bug out the bosses at all -.-

If anet says that running through mobs is ok and most of the players do it because it is boring to kill them and some players like haviz are spending a lot of their time in arah then why should they kill trash if they want to? Why would anyone play the game in a way that he doesn’t find enjoyable?

ps: even the VERY best people at running arah is exploiting the place to make it easier, lupi is constantly getting bug abused to avoid him from spawning the grubs,

it is called dodging not bug abusing

running pass 90% of all mobs becouse they can and it saves time

valid tactic, anet says it is ok so what is the problem?

boss mechanics being misused to the max to make them easy mode instead of actually fighting them in a way where they actually utilise their skillsets and effects…

Can you give specific examples in arah?

Even something as TA which you can do easily in 30min, would be somewhat a challenging if you actually killed all the mobs on your way and had to fight them at the flowers instead of just running pass everything.

And when people are going there for tokens they have nothing to gain by killing all the trash, all they want is to get tokens fast. I see nothing wrong with that.

Also you can write thousands of posts and people will still skip mobs and there is nothing you can do to stop that so just deal with it and find people who like to play like you. Everyone will be happy, isn’t that what we all want?

Erebus.7568:

it’s simply put makes the dungeons uninteresting, boring and blend to run..

It’s just your opinion. For many people killing trash mobs is uninteresting, boring and blend to run

on top of that people that run dungeons SUCK MAJOR BALLS!!!

This argument really shows how intelligent you are. Do you really think anyone will care about your opinion when you write like that?

CoF p1 is a great way of farming karma. You get ~3 small bottles of karma each run. With karma banner, guild buff and karma booster you get 680 from a small bottle.

Alastar.2863:

If this is NOT allowed I would like an Anet developer to let me know in a response to this.

There is a thread in the forums where devs say that it’s okay to do this

KratosAngel.7289:

I hope they’ll do something about it, and something FAST.

ANET said that they have nothing against skipping so why would they do anything about it?

People run dungeons for money in GW1, now they do it in GW2. Never heard of anyone getting banned because of this.

Malediktus likes to demand things like “fixing” skipping and stopping people from running dungeons for money but his problem is that no one seems to care. Both things are parts of the game and both are accepted.

For future events like this please make them party based and a lot shorter. Now the best thing about Toypocalyse is that after finishing it you don’t have to do it ever again.

Malediktus.9250:

Skipping needs to be fixed.

And people need to play the game your style why exactly?

Heliox.8632:

Phoenix.7845:

Why fix skipping if the majority of players don’t have a problem with it?

Because the minority wants the majority to play the way they do so that they become the majority!

Good luck with that

Why fix skipping if the majority of players don’t have a problem with it? Also fix is a very bad word because nothing is broken. People go for the fastest and easiest way of doing things, it’s not a “problem” with the game, it’s the people. You can write thousands of posts and nothing will change. Devs allow skipping, people like skipping and if you don’t like it – it’s your problem since it is a part of the game.

And for future posts about trying to remove skipping please tell what gives you the right to decide how people should play the game – you seem to always miss that part.

Jrunyon.3012:

You do realize that if Anet buffs the drop rates, the market will stabilize in no time at all, exotics will drop in price tenfold and they wont be worth anything anyways.

And that is exactly what i want. Then you can just farm dungeons for gold and don’t rely on luck to get items you want.

gotdamned.5318:

i’d like to be able to use a Weapon in both my sets,
as an example, i want to play Sword/Dagger and Sword/Axe,
at the moment i need to get 2 Swords, but why?

You are able to do it, just put sword/dagger as one set and nothing/axe as second. While using Nothing/Axe you will have sword main hand skills equipped.

Pathetic is a strong word and it’s very rude. Don’t be mean, no one deserves that

laokoko.7403:

I know you can’t run the same path within a 2 hour frame else you’ll be hit by diminishing return. That is for sure.

You can run same path for the second time and money will be still the same. You’ll get 20 tokens instead of 60 and thats all

Malediktus.9250:

If just one person in the group wants to kill something you do it.

You want people to care about what you want yet you absolutely don’t care about their opinion. Why would the rest of the party change the way they do things just because you want them too? Don’t enforce your playstyle on other people, let them play the game in a way they enjoy.