It let me submit it, but perhaps I did it wrong or something. “Confirmation” is pretty hard, unless the Millennium folks have an account on half of the servers. That said, what tipped me off to login and check was the massive disparity between the total points in Kain’s matchup and this one. I really hope ANet releases some web tools for displaying the score and on-the-fly rankings easily in the future…
I figured millenium just had 1-2 people on each server, they checked the submissions periodically, and confirmed the update. It’s a much easier process than one guy with 50 accounts.
That’s interesting because I thought the reason updates were delayed on that site was for a quick confirmation, but if it can just be kittened with randomly…
I was there last night, noone else was. Fought a few maguma 1v1, they weren’t really Pvp types so it was pretty lopsided fights
That’s interesting because D\ERP and OG were there last night and I think I counted 2 losses from 30ish matches. The score really doesn’t matter because we want Fight Club to be inclusive, but you should come around in prime time for good fights. If you’re on now, I think a bunch of WaR is there.
So to recap… some yaks are better than some maguuma and some maguuma are better than some yaks… so lets put our money where our mouth is how about we get pvp matches going since ive always wanted to see two golems go at it… sorry ioj i have only seen 3 of you this week
Mag has been doing fight nights every night this week. Sometimes 24 hours at a time. It’s mostly the IoJ guys that show up. Getting yaks to show up is like pulling teeth – mostly it’s just triggerless that comes.
We did two golems vs triggerless when we were exceptionally bored, but I think that one ended in a draw.
Once again, everyone except people from Maguuma think Maguuma is a powerhouse. T4 is a dead server plus yaks who doesn’t exactly brim with organization. Next week FA will win, making them the new t2, and bringing sbi to t3.
Man, seeing a nice post like this is going to make me feel a little guilty about kicking Maguuma’s butt next week.
(kidding! see you on the battlefield!)
We are looking forward to losing. Seriously, we are beyond bored with 3 weeks of walkovers. Fighting from 2nd again will be going back to what we know.
Once again, everyone except people from Maguuma think Maguuma is a powerhouse. T4 is a dead server plus yaks who doesn’t exactly brim with organization. Next week FA will win, making them the new t2, and bringing sbi to t3.
CD will probably lose to Kaineng and hang in t4 for a bit. Kaineng actually IS a powerhouse and has stupid amounts of players 24/7. A bit more people and they’re sporting 4 queued maps at prime time, 2 night time.
Yaks is losing from numbers, but I’m not sure how you guys keep handwaving away when you lose even numbers. Reset night borderland gone in 10 minutes, and 2 days ago queued our borderland and walked away with a single tower to show for it.
We don’t expect you to win, but hearing that you don’t have the numbers constantly is sad when you queue our borderland to try and ninja a keep, get a response, then leave when the main zerg gets wiped 3 times.
Seriously you’re still kittening about this? Please go back to like page 2 when this was already adressed or do I need to remind you about what happened on your own BL Friday night again? You got amnesia?
Yaks is losing from numbers, but I’m not sure how you guys keep handwaving away when you lose even numbers. Reset night borderland gone in 10 minutes, and 2 days ago queued our borderland and walked away with a single tower to show for it.
We don’t expect you to win, but hearing that you don’t have the numbers constantly is sad when you queue our borderland to try and ninja a keep, get a response, then leave when the main zerg gets wiped 3 times.
Keep in mind that if you act like a kitten we will be killing you and peg legging your downed state across a field. Only two guys were annoying so far.
The difference between spvp and wvw is essentially that you can have different comps in WvW and use different strategies because of the number of people involved.
To put it another way, spvp is about how well you play AGAINST other people. WvW is about how well you play WITH other people. If you aren’t working with others cooperatively and acting in concert with your teammates, WvW wont be much fun for you.
You’re forgetting the part where if you go to tpvp to do 5v5, you will lose the match almost instantly. The game mode is about avoiding conflict whever possible so that you can spend more time sitting on a circle. Anyone going into tpvp expecting highly skilled 5v5’s is/is going to be disappointed pretty fast!
Kaineng would crush Maguuma. We’re getting this score in t4 because IoJ is nonexistant, and Yaks doesn’t know what’s going on. We have maybe FA’s pop at daytime, and half or less of any server in t3’s night time.
I still think FA should be on people’s radars instead of Mag – their gobbling up IoJ’s night time is a bigger game changer than Mag getting t6/t5 transfers. We’ll fight in t3 which should be mag’s new home.
I enjoy when people come to the WvW forum and insist that the group pvp is better in spvp and tpvp, because it shows they don’t know what they’re talking about.
Most often in WvW you never run into 1v1s, even in soloing camps, such as my example, its a rarity. Practicing group combat, which is the vast majority of WvW entails is what would improve you more in this game mode.
Cool, so now let me know how we get multiple groups of yaks/ioj, which don’t exist, to come to WvW to practice. We can barely get 4 yaks/ioj at a time, let alone squads that literally don’t exist on either server.
sPvP literally cannot emulate WvW because of gear limitations. The offensive potential of WvW gear is about 30-40% higher, and some builds literally (literally) cannot be emulated because of food buffs and stat inflation.
If tPvP had a vibrant scene of competent players and builds that matched PvE gear’s variety, which it doesn’t on either counts, it still wouldn’t offer good group PvP. I don’t know if you’ve ever player tPvP, but the object of that mode is the opposite of killing players. The best way to win tPvP is to split up and avoid all combat that gets in the way of standing on a small area of land. It’s terrible.
And the majority of players in WvW are out with the same mindset, team combat and siege warfare, many running under geared toons to boot. I just don’t understand why your types are out in WvW, and not sPVP.
This portion shows me you haven’t actually done s/tpvp. Instead of writing a book on the subject, maybe you could just not show up? Plenty of yaks/ioj love dueling with us and it’s a good time. If you don’t think practicing versus skilled players in 1v1 improves you in all areas in pvp, then I don’t know what to tell you. Shame you won’t be there!
IIRC Anet is implementing arena’s. This, I imagine, to facilitate dueling. would you guys go there, or stay in WvW? Merely being curious.
That depends if they’re opening up the gearing system. The gearing system offered by spvp is much weaker than PvE offers so the variety and possibilities are very low. Also, the PvP nerfs to things like conditions overall, especially confusion, completely kill some builds.
If that doesn’t change, then we’ll do both. queue 1v1 tournaments for overall experience, and still do WvW dueling because it actually simulates real matchup experience.
Yak’s once again rolling into the dueling zone in a zerg and getting rolled out.
I only counted 10 yaks in that SS, i dont think it can be called a zerg when you have more players than the zerg.
It was about 15. They were mostly upleveled and ran down to the dueling area and got ran through pretty fast. They probably released before the image was taken.
It’s not bragging that they were wiped, it’s just that it’s another time where yaks runs down to the dueling area trying to wipe it, which is a crappy thing to try and do.
I think Mag’s situation is a good example of a Glicko rating flaw. The fact that we are almost going from t4-t2 is insane. To completely bypass a tier doesn’t seem right, especially when the tier being skipped is likely where we belong.
At least FA’s consumption of our rating will mean they get a couple weeks in t2.
In the words of Admiral Akbar from Star Wars: Return of the Jedi:
“Itsatrap!”
And you can be sure I will single handedly capture every single sentry point north of the border.
Cool I’m sure that’s really fun. You could instead get even fights and learn to play better while chatting with “enemies”, but I guess attacking sentries is really exciting too.
Since there’s not much WvW going on more yaks/ioj should come do some 1v1’s at Mag borderland south camp windmill area. There’s always Mag waiting around and we’re friendly.
Or try to roll it if you’re Yaks because that’s fun too.
For those that can’t see it (we couldn’t) this isn’t even fully culled, and at the same time, they have a 20 man doing the rounds on the north supply circuit 50 was a conservative estimate for the total pop. This was at the same time that the yaks were doing a ~20-30 man 3 golem rush on a different borderland.
I don’t bother logging in at times like this. When one server can field over a hundred on every map, why bother? Yeah, maybe we could have some success on a single map. Maybe a second even. In the end though, I’m left with a huge dent in my cash and a few hours of some higher ticks. Whoopee.
If ANet would remove the stupid penalty for death in WvW I would be on a whole lot more.
If you really think we field 100 on every map…
Going to try to help yaks here – the reason home BL defense is so important is because the defenders advantage lets you lock it down pretty easily. When it is locked down, you just freed up “100” people to leave that map and go elsewhere. Leave 5 behind for camp groups/derping around. You just turned only 1 map queue into two maps worth of control~
Then you can use that take those 100 people off of the map they take next, again leaving 5 people. If something goes down on home bl or second bl, you recall a chunk to clean it up, and then keep moving forward. You need to communicate so you don’t have things like 30 yaks on mag BL for hours with only spawn tower to show for it.
WvW isn’t that complicated if you just start asking why you’re taking the thing you’re taking. Most of the times yaks/ioj’s targets really confuse us because they have no long term worth. On Ioj borderland they golem rushed our west keep, and in exchange traded us garrison AND east keep. The rush failed on outer and they were left with no keeps.
Yes, because being on Maguuma, I don’t know what it’s like to get stomped. We only win.
Oh you are enjoying your pvdoor atm? Not to put IoJ or Yak’s down, but didn’t both those servers just have a mass exodus? So what you are saying is, you would like to completely pvdoor your tier for a month maybe more? Am I understanding this correctly? Because I thought Wv3 was an open world pvp venue where people actually pvp other gamers on the battlefield.
There’s this website you might not have seen where it shows the next matchup based on the rating system anet uses. You should check it out!
Mag has spent one week in t4, and we’ll be gone next reset to t3. If you think we’ll be pvdooring t3 you literally don’t know what you’re talking about.
FA will go to t2 after eating Mag’s inflated glicko from beating a dead server. SBI will drop to t3. Kain will go to t3 after beating dragonbrand. The only question is if CD or Mag will stay t3 to make it sbi/kain/mag or cd. That’s in the next 2/3 weeks.
Eventually SBI will fall to t4 making it kain/mag/cd, then kain maybe dipping t2.
The OP says that 3 blowouts are happening. Your idea is that we should have 1-2 months of blowouts across at least 6 tiers at a time. Please stop posting your bad idea.
I am sorry, what are you saying? I am confused. All posts, I thought, were referring to some kind of playoff, resetting all points in Wv3 to make sure 1-2 months of blowouts DOES NOT happen. Did you not get enough sleep?
Because 48 hour matches do not translate to 1 week matches. It wouldn’t gauge servers accurately and lead to a month or two of adjusting after the transition from 48→ 1 week takes effect.
Everyone need to cool their panties about transfers and wait the 3 weeks it’s going to take for this to even out.
The OP says that 3 blowouts are happening. Your idea is that we should have 1-2 months of blowouts across at least 6 tiers at a time. Please stop posting your bad idea.
Wait a minute…I’m confused here…Was there a wealth of server transfers lately to Maguuma? It was not more than 3-4 weeks ago when they cut a side deal with Yak’s to get 2nd place when Ehmry Bay proved too much for them and they still lost…BAD!
Are you Jesse Cox? I bet your sources are as good.
FA should. They’re isle of FA now and our night crew is really, really small. If it’s NA based, probably FA again.
We might be a match in several months time, but our influx of transfers from t5 need some work. We also don’t know how hardy they are yet, because they’ve only been with us winning, and the core of Mag is used to losing for 16 hours of the day and fighting to come in 2nd. We might move up to t3 and suddenly be down 40% of our population because we need to start trying again.
t3 will be interesting in 2 weeks. The way I see it working, Mag moves up, FA gets a gigantic point lead from beating us because our glicko is way overinflated, and then FA will be in t2, SBI t3, kain T3, mag T3. It’s weird to think that t3 that’s been stable for so long with be 100% different so quickly.
Mag won’t leave t3. The 24/7 zergs that out opponents think we have are actually 20 guys at night playing triage and 10 people in the morning. I don’t see us leaving the oceanic tier, and maybe even dropping down to green t4 after 3-4ish weeks in t3.
I just got done dueling that same Ranger, good duels Ioj ranger. 2-1 in his favor before I had to leave. Ended up just killing your pets and using Moa as a cooldown gap filler. Feels scummy.
Well here is one difference for ya. I play every prime time for Yak’s and maybe im wrong here and someone else from yaks can say there was. But I never recall a single time in any match up against Mag. has there ever been a que to get in on your map. In each matchup the other server was more of a threat and saw the bulk of our attention. From day 1 we have only been able to focus 2 maps with a scattering of players on a 3rd. So the fact is that you have lost your entire map to us on serveral occasions when we didnt even give it a real focus. I remember the last time you guys were up in this barcket that we speceficaly ignored Mag. for 1/2 the week because Ebay portal hacked into one of our keeps and we wanted to send them back down a tier and didnt let them have more then 20pts at any time for the rest of the match. Thats how much we cared about what what Mag. was doing in that match up. That for 1/2 the week we ignored that you were even playing.
So, basically, you could have stomped us our past half dozen matches on reset, but just chose not to.
dr/bp week 1 did turn into a laneslide, but that was because mag’s stronger round the clock coverage usually doesn’t show itself until the week. Sunday/monday week 1 it really started to show. It’s not uncommon for Mag to lose on weekends but start riding away during the week, because all of our weekend guys are also all of our weekday guys.
Do you think there is any difference between us rolling you with larger numbers and now you doing the same in this match?
Yes. We didn’t lose our borderland in 10 minutes against your queue, but you did against ours. If equal numbers is the game we want to play in this little fight, then you’ve never trounced us even numbers, but we are doing it to you on reset at equal queue BL’s.
There will be some fight clubs this week for sure if you want to do the PvP thing rather than using the equal numbers measurement.
Can I just say that Maguuma is willing to make an exception and would like to request a transfer from jzgamekid. If any server has seen jzgamekid please return him to us.
You first challenge will be next week. Mag will be t3, but a t3 server will be dropped to t4, and they’re all good. I hope FA drops because I think their daytime people would be the perfect ones to test kain’s NA. If Kain can hold up daytime versus FA I would be very surprised.
Funny note…people have been getting surprised rather often when it comes to Kaineng lately.
Why were they surprised? What result is surprising when you put a server with 4 queued maps against anyone in t8-t4?
I spent a week on kaineng when WM transferred, and my impression was the same as some of the DR in this thread: the overall populace of your NA crowd is really, really terrible at PvP and have no clue what they’re doing in WvW. It really felt like I stepped back in time to month 1 and people just ran at the next visible enemy holding with no purpose or reason.
Wherever Maguuma ends up, that will probably be our first challenge.
You first challenge will be next week. Mag will be t3, but a t3 server will be dropped to t4, and they’re all good. I hope FA drops because I think their daytime people would be the perfect ones to test kain’s NA. If Kain can hold up daytime versus FA I would be very surprised.
It’s funny to see people say we’re a mindless zerg when we took your entire borderland in 15 (10?) minutes on reset and both our servers were in a queue there.
yes because you whipe entire BL’s with small numbers…. obvs. and how do you know we had a queue on our BL?
You have server forums. I keep seeing that we’re just a zerg now, and that guy thinks yaks has superior tactics, but we did go 166 vs 166 on your BL with no third server and you lost the entire thing very quickly.
