Guild Wars 2

Dislike new maps.

In t2/t3 there was a shift over the last year to every single person just going to EBG to find enemies. I’m sure ANET has data showing that the vast majority of activity was always in EBG. They should have looked into WHY people were all going to EBG, and why EoTM was not a hit at all with WvW players.

Alpine borderlands, while charming, was too big already. Breaking roaming or fighting down purely to Time Spent Searching (TSS), EBG had by far the lowest TSS because of it’s condense size. You were never far from another enemy player. Alpine borderlands simply took longer to find players, so people drifted away from it over the years. If you did roam on Alpine, you only bother to look in the south because the north was cumbersome.

The new map is on par with EoTM in having an absurdly high TSS. I can’t imagine going there to look for any fight ever. Yes, the map is extremely pretty, but it’s so impractical.

If you get the urge to make a WvW map in the future ANet: Take note of what makes people go to EBG above all others. It’s condense yet thick, low Time Spent Searching for fights.

roamzero.9486:

A good improvement but it doesn’t change the fact that it’s always been the classes and builds at the heart of the issue and less so the food (i.e. condi Mesmers are still cancer)

This is strictly not true. For the longest time, builds that are stupidly good in WvW are not that good in Spvp and it’s not only to do with the maps. A perplex + 50% condi duration mesmer is really, really stupid in WvW. Go try to run that in Spvp without the free 50% condi duration and perplex runes, and you’ll see it had nowhere near the killing power.

Frequently, it’s the food that makes the builds in WvW. This is especially true when everyone got 40% from easy to get food, and another 10% if they wanted to spend the money on utility.

Anet’s change is a long warranted one. If you want condition duration, you can still get it, but it will now be taken from your stat budgets (Viper’s gear). They even added significant condi duration to Spvp with HoT and it hasn’t significantly changed the meta to condi, because having to budget to get it is how it should have been balanced originally.

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Assassin X.8573:

Lol everyone in the video who explicitly participated in the exploit should get banned lol

Even a temporary ban would be fine haha.

uhh then every guardian that did it in PvE should get banned too

70% of the playbase banned nice idea

GW2 pvp set itself apart from other MMO’s because combat was fast and fluid. You could literally die as glass vs glass because you were 1/2 a second slow. That’s gone now. The game is objectively slower paced now and that’s a shame.

A thief can pop on someone, two people coordinate a burst on him, and he’s fine. We can yank a heavy out of a train, coordinate three different glass specs worth of burst on him, and he’s fine.

If this crit damage change was for PvE, then now is the time to separate game modes and return the ferocity:crit damage ratio to what it was. The “10% less overall damage” comment made by the devs is silly.

Title speaks for itself. This is as unfun as sPvP now!

WvW servers are full of people that know each other and are friends. I can log into WvW and know the names/personalities of 100-200 people. I can hop in mumble and run with x group of people I know, hop to run with y group, log in at odd hours and run with eu/SEA guilds with people I know as well.

Removing the aspect of seeing people you know and are friends with by making it completely random removes a gigantic aspect of logging in everyday. The lure of this game is the combat and the social aspect. The combat is strengthened by having a tight community that is self-aware and judgmental. The community is being friends with all of those people.

I seriously have to question people that think a faceless eotm-style is at all desirable – do you have a terrible (community wise, not score wise) server? no friends on the server? do you just huddle in your own g chat and ignore everyone else on your server? I don’t see any other reason why you would think destroying massive social communities is even close to a positive.

TheLargeUnit.2793:

Kind of disheartening to see everyone bashing on HoD. Yes we got tons of transfers, and yes we had lots of PvE’ers come for the sweet chieves, but as it remains HoD has a strong WvW core. Not to be rude but HoD has more experience then any of the other servers, as we have made the trip to first and experienced the fall back down.

Please just quit dismissing the score as a fluke, a double team, etc. and accept that maybe HoD is not that bad.

Are you seriously saying that formerly being t1 has any value at all? For what, PPT? I can see where this bandwagon dies if even 1/10 HoD think that’s true.

sub t4 servers have a history of getting momentum, hitting the t3 wall, shedding 80% of their queues, and then fading away. I hope HoD keeps it up after leagues, cause t3 needs more activity.

History isn’t favorable to servers that get a huge influx of players in a short time and rise rapidly in ranks.

removing WP’s would just make travel time for tedious in exchange for… ? are you looking to make the PPT game more tactical? that doesn’t seem worth an increase in tedium

I like playing with the people from my server. I hate playing with the people in EoTM.

While it is called “guild wars”, servers like Mag intermingle an incredible amount from shaping a long standing community. EoTM style (that you’re proposing) that forces people to choose guilds rather than servers would really kill a lot of what keeps me logging in. I play with 3-4 guilds a day as do a lot of other people on this server.

Abe Kleine.3568:

Pinko.2076:

Intel processors outperform AMD for like 3-4 years straight so it shouldn’t be surprising. MMO’s are CPU bound by nature, Intel makes better CPU’s, so if you are building for this game get an Intel CPU.

The only thing they need to fix is is server side issues like skill lag in large fights. Increasing AoE caps just isn’t going to happen when you think about how much server stress you’d be adding.

Just looked up the pricing for some intel processors, that is absurdly expensive. It doesn’t matter if they out perform them, if the game was properly optimized to use cores efficiently then overclocking would be an easy solution

I don’t know why in every MMO people assume the game creators are at fault for AMD processors continuing to get worse and worse. The company is not competitive at all anymore in any mid-high end gaming builds.

I had a similar performance jump going from AMD to Intel. The price difference of a $140 AMD vs a $180 intel would be made up for in electric bills alone.

Intel processors outperform AMD for like 3-4 years straight so it shouldn’t be surprising. MMO’s are CPU bound by nature, Intel makes better CPU’s, so if you are building for this game get an Intel CPU.

The only thing they need to fix is is server side issues like skill lag in large fights. Increasing AoE caps just isn’t going to happen when you think about how much server stress you’d be adding.

this headline made me remember the death of Ultima Online and I cried a little

While rallies and hard ressing are larger zerg-friendly mechanics, you should consider Retaliation too. Using ranged strats on megaballs gets really complicated just because the game decides you should take 10k damage for daring to attack clumped players.

It’s the melee version of confusion that scales wildly with numbers. The ret nerf that went in wasn’t enough imo, because the scaling still makes it nuts in Voltron situations. Also consider that it’s a boring, unfun mechanic.

IDEAL CHANGE: Internal cooldown on how many retaliations can hit you every second.

Remove rallies.

Look at it from a social friendly point of view, Anet: Suddenly people won’t be forced to be jerks to uplevels. People can play together without being as exclusive because suddenly this guy to your left that you know sucks, but he’s got a nice personality, won’t be a complete liability in a fight.

Pro: if you join Mag OCX you can kill Le Rooster all the time !

Le Rooster.8715:

Pinko.2076:

TAMBO.3192:

Hey all, I’m a hardcore wvw player who usually runs ocx/sea time, came from SoR and currently in TC. I’m highly considering transferring to T2 (leaning towards Mag) as I got tired of blobbing and ppt play for T1,queue time are annoying and just not fun anyomore. I’ve been reading this thread and found out that ocx/sea time is the least covered timezone of the server, just a bit hesitant since ocx/sea is my prime play time. I love fights, farming bags and doens’t care about ppt, seems like I can fit in with your server. Is there any guilds currently running nightly raids in Maguuma during ocx/sea, I’m very much interested in transferring but need to consider the timezone first since I don’t wanna play on a ghost BL.

Lol your offpeak coverage is far greater than FA and your SEA is better then SOS

right now Mag has [meow], [sern], [This] and [olaf]. Olaf is more SEA time, and Sern/meow OCX. [This] I’m not sure of. All 3 may be recruiting but I don’t want to speak for them. Outside of them 10-15 sleepless NA that scout, tag along, etc.

Since gaining these 4, I’d say FA is slightly less coverage than us now, with SoS still dominating in terms of numbers.

First nice quoting, also no our our SEA is literally a single guild in [Olaf] that runs his 10-15 + pubs that want to follow. There are early NA’s/EU’s around that spread out but none are sizable guilds.

TAMBO.3192:

Hey all, I’m a hardcore wvw player who usually runs ocx/sea time, came from SoR and currently in TC. I’m highly considering transferring to T2 (leaning towards Mag) as I got tired of blobbing and ppt play for T1,queue time are annoying and just not fun anyomore. I’ve been reading this thread and found out that ocx/sea time is the least covered timezone of the server, just a bit hesitant since ocx/sea is my prime play time. I love fights, farming bags and doens’t care about ppt, seems like I can fit in with your server. Is there any guilds currently running nightly raids in Maguuma during ocx/sea, I’m very much interested in transferring but need to consider the timezone first since I don’t wanna play on a ghost BL.

right now Mag has [meow], [sern], [This] and [olaf]. Olaf is more SEA time, and Sern/meow OCX. [This] I’m not sure of. All 3 may be recruiting but I don’t want to speak for them. Outside of them 10-15 sleepless NA that scout, tag along, etc.

Since gaining these 4, I’d say FA is slightly less coverage than us now, with SoS still dominating in terms of numbers.

literally don’t come to mag at all if you’re na. for real don’t come

oceanics and SEA only

no really if you’re dying to a hammer train you’re bad if the discussion is about killing the hammer train then yeah retaliation is dumb

Change the topic to remove retaliation which would make a LOT more counters to hammer trains. Costs half of my life to push sword 2 on mesmer in the middle of retaliation heavies nice game design!

Retaliation is as unfun as pre-nerf confusion was in large scale fights, but people tend to not notice it because it’s a lot of smaller numbers. Keep an eye on casual damage you take when you try to range heavy trains.

Even in 15v15 GvG’s on my necro you can easily notice that for each aoe button you push you’re eating a free 1k damage, and that’s conservative. If you play the game too much you’re spending every 3rd heal on just retaliation. Don’t even try to toss a grenade in EoTM.

Mag got transfers to leave tier 3 for good because even t3 is a wasteland for huge swathes of the day. You can roam a good 6 hour block (“eu time” aka afternoon and Pst end to Oceanic start) and average maybe 1 fight every 20 minutes, and the rest is PvD. Too little fight to time ratio, so move on up.

immo stack was a weird choice. immobilize was already considered the #1 condition in the game when they buffed it.

maybe they wanted to lower the skill ceiling? it went from carefully chaining immo on a target with a team to just pressing button

Terrahero.9358:

You want to unreward stacking a bit? Do something about Retaliation.

A mindless boon that takes more effort to not stack, that returns great amounts of damage back at people who use Aoe against a blob because it has no icd.

Give it an icd and balance it accordingly, no more instagibbing yourself, no more rewarding mindless blob stacking with passively returning more damage then they take.
And you’ll go along and actually improve server performance a little, as it wont have to process those 40 instant retaliation procs from a single ability anymore.

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The entire idea of the boon doesn’t make sense when you hear arenanet post about how they want to discourage blobbing.

The natural counter to beefy blobs should be mobile ranged damage, right? Just try dropping AoE on EoTM blobs. If you do a meteor shower you’re going to take 3x your entire health pool in damage. If the OP’s idea of uncapping AoE went through with no retaliation change, you would literally be instantly killed by dropping a single AoE on these blobs.

there’s other changes that would hinder the zerg meta while not killing servers, such a rally removal, retaliation removal.

surprised there’s not more posts of bugged retaliation in eotm – it’s possible to take 5k damage in retaliation alone with one attack on my mesmer. even in its nerfed form in wvw it’s stupid that I’m punished for attacking players that are blobbed together.

In my experience WvW is still a higher quality of fight, eotm is a higher frequency of fight. Eotm is to the brim with really, really terrible players. Maybe it’s the reason that a lot of people go there – it makes you feel good. I’ve been there for two sessions and we can regularly do 3v8-10 or more.

Maybe in the far future when EoTM is no longer the hot stuff, the frequency of pve players will be equal to WvW and it can replace it. Then we may be able to get high frequency and quality fights.

All of the things going for EoTM are due to cross server functionality, though. The geography and the amount of tedious gimmicks is still an issue.

If I had my wishes fufilled, they would have just put that same cross-server functionality onto the already existing WvW maps, nerfed some of the turtling aspects, and we’d be living in a dream paradise of good fights, high frequency, good geography, no siege turtles.

Jyeoi.6027:

I like Pinko though.

herro jyeoi

you did some good work way back when [derp] ran with numbers

KH is really good and if you want a skilled group at their timezone you should join’em.

The builds and playstyle for all of those professions vary wildly between solo roaming, 2-5 man fights, 10-15 man fights, and 20+. It really, really comes down to what you plan to do a lot.

If I had one recommendation it’s to have two or more WvW characters so you can switch between things easily. Find what you like solo roaming with to relax, find what you like for small man stuff, find what you like for megazorgin.

It’s a non-subscription game – just stop playing. If you want to play you play, if not you aren’t losing anything.

In terms of fighting other players it’s worse than every other map by far, especially if you are in lowish numbers (10 or less). The map is really pretty, has some new “mechanics”, but the geometry is terrible for fighting of basically every size. Forget solo roaming, the few open areas there are have freaking allied champion mobs.

The one function it does fufill is being able to fight anyone/guild you want in a pve ruleset, which is cool. Hopefully they fix the bugs and it becomes a wvw ruleset so I don’t take 2k retaliation damage per second. It would help GvG’s if it was possible to take a big group anywhere without a million adds plus pve ret/confusion.

Honestly the only play the map will get after a few months is 1) if they keep PvE content in there updated 2) for t1 queues 3) for GvG’s when the bugs are fixed, and the number of randoms dies down by a lot.

mag is a pretty fun place

We’ve been to t2 plenty of times at this point, did the 6th place gold league, and we want to go back. We can turn on the PPT when we want to (like qualifying for gold, this week where we tick +500 during NA) but generally we don’t like to do kitten like babysitting keeps and siege.

For a while Mag has been wanting some Oceanic or SEA guilds so we can get a stable seating in t2 and play at our normal, relaxed, fight-oriented pace. We won’t BS oceanic/sea and tell you you’ll have a fleet of pubs to order around, because generally we pull 10-20 people across all 4 maps for those time zones. They’re some die-hard players generally, but not a lot of them.

You’ll be outmanned and maybe hold garrison if you’re lucky. The main reason you’ll be transferring is you want fights, and mag oceanic/sea is the least covered timeslot in all of NA tiers 1-3

Bucket Lips.5017:

It’s good to see my FA brothers back from vacation and kicking some kitten! TC & Mag were starting to convince themselves that they were winning the past 2 weeks because of skill lol!

Hold the phone my lord – who was relating ppt to skill?

SnakeMx.3784:

So Mag is mad now that people is back from vacation and the kids are back to school? Shame …

gd you need to set up lines like this not just throw them out there

confusion trolling or something smh

Spockime.1364:

AoN talking smack about NOPE? Priceless. Here is a list of what AoN is “good” at:

1. Running from even numbered fights
2. Running from lost fights with tonics
3. Following a zerg to gank stragglers who are alone with 2-3x the numbers of the stragglers – which then becomes bragging on the forums about their “skill.”
4. Following a friendly zerg to capitalize on the numbers when needed then coming to the forums to brag about how they killed huge zergs with less than 10 people.
5. Emoting dead players
6. Running away (had to mention this twice)

Honestly, you are kind of a joke guild that mapchat always tells everyone to ignore. When you want to get serious instead of ganking stragglers, come back here and let us know. If you want to GvG, I’m sure several guilds on TC would be happy to humor you.

which guild did AoN run from 5v5?

SoS pls

I know you wanna troll all of t2 by shooting SBI up but pls

This is some mutually assured boredom strategy pls

If what I’ve heard is true, I’m not surprised Mag’s NA guilds are unwilling to stay up until 4am CST to GvG.

It’s pretty silly to even raise a stink when your demands are that an entire guild sacrifice real life priorities to appease you.

Maybe Mag guilds should send Meow challenges at a time absurd for them so the story gets flipped cause it’s all pretty dumb~

UHD.2634:

All NA Maguuma guilds should move to Australia to fight the real crown guild.

According to the last Meow guy, Meow already fought and beat every Mag NA guild 15v40.

t3 is heck, sorry SoS

worst guild chat

reveal the secrets of who saiyr DOES hate on mag

I mean I guess it’s good PvF to talk trash while playing in a timezone no top guilds play in (maybe KH? but it’s christmas so w/e) so props on that Meowman.

Your vid was not convincing tho. Staggardly and awkwardly charge into backpedaling pub zergs.

These types of posts and unfunny and lack creativity.

Djamonja.6453:

Good job on Thursday night/Friday morning, Maguuma. Fun matchup overall, although I was a bit disappointed that YB seemed to disappear after they were under a lot of pressure the first couple days.

It was expected. Yaks burnt out their NA pretty hard last week to get that PPT, which is why we were comfortable just saying welp, if you wanna grind it out feel free. You can only sit on arrowcarts and omegas inside towers for so long before you wonder what the point is.

Skroo.1560:

Remember that time you had like 5 guys in a tower with no siege and wiped a 50 man zerg all while not wearing armor or using weapons, just utility skills?

Those were good times.

surprisingly this is half right

up to you to decide on which conditions

I hope other servers don’t see asking for a GvG as a measuring contest. GvG’s are a lot of fun, and I know that any of the Mag guilds would respect someone coming out even if they went down 0-7.

Scores often times aren’t even posted in this forum.

For real One and SE were basically a queue running around. Idk how you guys complain about 50 TG killing you.

JaNordy.6149:

robocafaz.9017:

Merry Christmas from all your friends on Maguuma! <333

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If you’re in the US or Germany, it’s probably blocked for you. I’ll probably get in trouble if I tell you how to get around it. LOOK FOR SOME PROXIES WHILE I PUT THIS ELSEWHERE!

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are we allowed to debate copywrite law in this forum or is that an infraction?

Downed state is a mechanic to help casuals and zerging. Rallying intensifies it and adds a layer of exclusion an insecurity. Both should be gone, but rallying would also be a good candidate to get the boot.

People disagreeing are suffering from the normal side effects of gamers being afraid of any change. The utility and positioning tax on committing to a stake is a straight advantage to the side that has more utilities (aka, more players~!) and can afford to be in more controlling positions (aka, side with more players~!)

OP just take solace in that you’re right, but in this forum you’ll get a LOT of resistance from people that prefer a casual gamestyle because this is ultimately a very low skill cap game. Anet wants it to stay casual friendly, so downed state will stick around.

There’s a higher chance of getting rallying removed, because that can objectively be seen as good for both the people that want a better game and people that just want to play casually.

the ultimate meta of 15-20 pure glass warriors hasn’t been mastered yet, but is inevitable

Duke that vid is great can we go back to pure glass pls

edit: actually some euro comps use pure glass p. well but they gotta crank it up to 11

everything glass