Because Jonathan knows more about what we are doing with PvP, and because we don’t say we are doing X until we are 100% doing it or else we get a lot of you said X, I wants it NOW!!!
is there a reason you dont use a public test server to let us decide if you should do it 100% rather than telling us what we should like?
Also if match making is due in February giw do you not know 100% what direction you are going in terms of tourney vs single match?
They don’t have the staff for that!
This ship is going down fast like Trion/Rift…Expecting staff cuts soon. How soon? I can’t tell you as I don’t want to ruin the surprise.
Because Jonathan knows more about what we are doing with PvP, and because we don’t say we are doing X until we are 100% doing it or else we get a lot of you said X, I wants it NOW!!!
Rage!!!!! I keep hearing about not until it’s ready, yet here we are playing a pvp game that wasn’t ready for release.
Thanks. I assume this is on your list of 50 things to do?
Yup.
I hope it’s on the lowest of that 50, And Anet fix the ACTUAL things that need fixing.
can you read this again, carefully?
It goes on the list of about 50 other things I’d like to do XD.
Thanks for your understanding!maybe i’m mistaken here, but i think it’s just a personal list of Evan Lesh (if that list even exists, it’s possible it was just a figure of speech). not one of the SPvP team or even the entirety of Anet.
This is what I took his list meaning, not necessarily a working list.
Thanks. I assume this is on your list of 50 things to do?
I just stumbled across this while reading the dev forum. Whatever you do, please make it optional. I don’t do PvP and I never had any problems with this and making a hard change may negatively affect a majority of players while a minority profits from it, as you already said. Us PvE players already suffered a lot from PvP changes that heavily affected our playstyle, sadly. I don’t say don’t add an option, I don’t want to see anybody suffering even if it’s a minority of course, but it’s good to see there’s actually put some thought into such a decision.
I’m curious…what have you suffered from?
I’m surprised this thread isnt closed yet and all the posters infracted..
I just got infracted cuz I said +1 on some other thread, seems legit .
better delete that or youll get infracted for mentioning you got infracted (no joke lol)
Lolol true story.
I’m surprised this thread isnt closed yet and all the posters infracted..
I just got infracted cuz I said +1 on some other thread, seems legit .
You should be infracted for suggesting this post be closed…+1 infraction has been levied on your account.
Who said I want it closed ? it’s funny, just noticed it tbh
I was just joking around pal.
I’m surprised this thread isnt closed yet and all the posters infracted..
I just got infracted cuz I said +1 on some other thread, seems legit .
You should be infracted for suggesting this post be closed…+1 infraction has been levied on your account.
Waiting waiting waiting.
We’ve lost like 100 players in the meantime. What we have to wait exactly?
Steve
RUSH GM
Don’t worry man, once they get to advertising everyone will come back…and then some. You’ve got the word of our main man, JSHARP….
hahahaha, somebody beleive in anet, so u didnt play gw1 i think. Where is Joe Knigt, he spoke to pple and tried to do what they want, not he wanted! I though that he was bad pvp designer but now i know he wasnt so bad. All pple like to be ignore by other.
Wow…sarcasm is lost on someone.
the pvp on this thread is better than the game itself
My meta is bigger than your meta
Waiting waiting waiting.
We’ve lost like 100 players in the meantime. What we have to wait exactly?
Steve
RUSH GM
Don’t worry man, once they get to advertising everyone will come back…and then some. You’ve got the word of our main man, JSHARP….
It’s the delivery system of the burst tied in with their innate defenses. Alot of professions can produce similar numbers
DaliIndica.9041 say the truth. Evan used maybe wrong sentence, but still true
That’s why I’m looking for clarification. If it SHOULD be the way Evan says it should be, then it is not working.
Best ranger can be found in the other thread about the SOTG…
The button should really show up once you’ve gotten ANY character past the tutorial…
Wait…what? So if I do the tutorial on my ele and make a new guard I should have the tab without completing the guardian’s tutorial? If so, then it’s not working.
You have to do the tutorial for any character you make. Only takes a few minutes, but basically you can only get into PVP if your level 2 (I know theres ways around it before anyone states it!)
I understand that to be what is currently happening, but Evan is saying once you have gotten ANY character through the tutorial.
The new evolved meta=pvp on the forums
The button should really show up once you’ve gotten ANY character past the tutorial…
Wait…what? So if I do the tutorial on my ele and make a new guard I should have the tab without completing the guardian’s tutorial? If so, then it’s not working.
I’m still waiting for the explanation of this “super evolved” meta I keep hearing about. 3 nodes go!
Still, a few ego’s have flared because of Master’s opinion. No need for it, agree or disagree, nothing to do with SS.
Isn’t he/she on SS?
Yes, so?
Is he not entitled to his own opinion? Did he mention he is speaking on behalf of supersquad? No.
He represents your team…No one is saying he isn’t entitled to his opinion, but everyone is entitled to theirs in associating him with the team he represents. So yes, it does have to something to do with SS.
Oh yeah? mind PMing me how you’re triggering the bug by doing it manually when I’ve tried it at least 20 times without a macro, and got it to bug only once?
I posted a video on it that was subsequently taken down. So, you admit that you’re uninformed?
This thread, right here, this is why no one takes PvP in this game seriously.
Come now people, we can do better.
I just see a well played mesmer that got very luck in timing and crit damage coupled with a thief that got a taste of his own medicine. But we can keep debating forever…
And this is why you uinformed people should stop posting. ‘we can do better’. There is a current bug in the game right now, where mesmers shatters hit for 50% more damage via a macro.
Advice, your own, you should take it…It can be done without a macro.
It CAN be done without a macro but your odds of triggering the bug is SIGNIFICANTLY lower. The bug procs with more frequency when the delay between the actions is set to be as low as possible.
Take your own advice and BE INFORMED.
ROFL…significantly lower? I can produce it everytime without a macro…
Still, a few ego’s have flared because of Master’s opinion. No need for it, agree or disagree, nothing to do with SS.
Isn’t he/she on SS?
This thread, right here, this is why no one takes PvP in this game seriously.
Come now people, we can do better.
I just see a well played mesmer that got very luck in timing and crit damage coupled with a thief that got a taste of his own medicine. But we can keep debating forever…
And this is why you uinformed people should stop posting. ‘we can do better’. There is a current bug in the game right now, where mesmers shatters hit for 50% more damage via a macro.
Advice, your own, you should take it…It can be done without a macro.
if you get autobalanced it gives you the win reward regardless. So it isn’t all bad.
Being on the losing team and getting the “WIN” is like getting a medal for 6th place just because everyone should get a medal.
yup, anet thinks this is a fps for some reason. casual people want set single map matches that penalize quitters and reward winning. instead we got hotjoin zergfest where everyone runs glass cannon circle zeros cap points and quits when the water map comes up.
You’re going to like what we tell you you’re going to like!
Tl;dr
OP wins all but one 1v1 matchup. Has the tools to win but cba to learn or practice—just nerf it instead.
Oh man I’ll have a good laugh come next month when necros (and aoe in general) get the nerf bat.
Probably not as much of a laugh as:
You’re not pulling that off on any decent shatter mesmer.
GS vs your typical shatter mesmer is an uphill battle. I’ll disagree with Teambattleaxe, regardless of whether you know which mesmer is the real one or not the fight is a tough one.
The general fight, pretty much like all your set ups as GS warrior is to force your opponent to use his endurance and “outs” before you use your frenzied combo. The problem with the shatter mesmer is he has way more “outs” with shorter cd’s than your set ups.
When in staff, you need to force them to use phase retreat. When using sword/pistol you need to wait out blurred frenzy and you have to have a stability available for magic bullet. On top of that they have distortion and diversion along with blink from utilities in either weapon set.
The best I’ve come up with is catching them after their burst when they switch back to staff. Use a knock down, if they phase retreat from there you have a chance if you haven’t used your major damage cd’s.
I’ve been using more sword/mace and gs instead of mace/shield. Flurry into HB works wonders as well as using tremor to get people to blow teleports or defensive cds
I forgot to also mention Mirror Images…
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The other problem is there is no real penalty for bad play with the initiative system. If you miss an ability, for instance using HS out of range (or it being dodged) you should be penalized with additional initiative use.
Meh, I like the other video…“um ma gawd…WUT? Da mzmr jut did 14k dmag, liq um ma”
Now that video was classic, would view again
In this new game mode, you will only play opponents of the same profession…
1. Reduces the amount of imbalance
2. Teaches people how to play their profession
3. Would be pretty funny to see an all thief vs thief and mesmer vs mesmer match (oh the glory)
“Some huge things in the work, can’t say too much or we’ll ruin the surprise…” also, “if it takes far too long to implement and people leave the game we’re not concerned, because once we start advertising…WOW makes large circlular motions with hands everyone and then some will come to play”
That’s pretty much it, Merry Christmas…
I’m not sure what’s going on with that calculator, but I can never view the traits in that particular one. Would you please just post a point and trait breakdown?
Sure.
30: V, VII, XII
20: IV, IX
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20: II, VII
0:-
Thanks
Alright. This is what I’ve been having such great success with. I speak only from a sPvP standpoint. It’s a solid hybrid build, I’ve found great survivability if only from having a strong offense coupled with several control effects. You have great burst potential locking someone down in your wells, great sustained DPS with life force generation from dagger, and great support paired with the staff. If anyone else finds this as fun and effective as I do, great. If not, sorry.
http://www.gw2build.com/builds/devil-hanzos-well-lock-build-wells-9299.html
I generally follow the guideline of: Golem Charge > Well of Suffering > Dark Pact > Well of Corruption > Locust Swarm > Wail of Doom > Necrotic Spam > Chilblain’s > Reaper’s Mark > DS: Doom to keep enemy locked down inside your wells for maximum well usage. Can add Terror in Curse VI if you prefer the damage from that compared to aoe Weakness + Bleeding from Enfeebling Blood. I’ve been able to drop people from 100%-0% in the duration of this skill chain regularly if they don’t react properly, and even if you missed them entirely with all of that you’re still fully sustainable with dagger damage and DS.
Blood is Power swappable for Well of Power, or Well of Darkness + Curse III Pitch Black, or even Bone Minions (when the enemy is locked down in the wells, a double BM [hehe] explosion does pretty good damage). My favorite way to use BiP is to cast it, go into Death Shroud for Doom then Dark Path to them, drop DS and spam Necrotic Slash with the extra might stacks.
I try to use Life Siphon after a Fear or before I drop line of sight.
Locust Swarm is great for keeping the enemy in your wells. Use it more offensively than defensively. It’s so-so for swiftness, 10 sec on a 30 sec cooldown but because it’s an AoE if you run past someone or even a destructible object it’ll slow you down. I prefer using it while bursting with the dagger.
6/6 Thief runes, all around great for this build. I also run 6/6 Dolyak depending on my mood.
Knight’s Amulet + Berserker’s Jewel gives a good balance which is what I was going for with this build. Also have used Rabid.
It’s over all fairly strong in most areas. When focused by several people you can drop fairly quickly even with almost 29k hp, but I’ve found 1v1 fights are rarely if ever a problem even without cooldowns up, and 1v2 fights are very doable. If you’re having trouble with stuns drop Blood is Power for a stun breaker (I prefer Spectral Walk), but usually I just pop into DS: Doom. I’ve had no problems dealing with burst classes or winning attrition fights, just make sure to save Putrid Mark for condition transfer and don’t waste it early, it’s your only method for wiping conditions minus your heal. Use D/W as your primary set, using the above listed CC chain to nuke people and generate life force. Swap to staff when you need to fear/wipe conditions/chill/regen etc.
I should add, you will have significant trouble against the typical Pistol/Dagger 11115111115 thieves unless you can lock them into the well bomb. They can just easily apply bleeds and stealth constantly to heal and remove conditions. It’s a tough, long, and exceedingly boring fight.
Like I said, this is what works for me. May not work for anyone else.
I’m not sure what’s going on with that calculator, but I can never view the traits in that particular one. Would you please just post a point and trait breakdown?
burst is ok aslong as you have the possibility to react to it.
Unfortunately you can´t react to cnd steal backstab because they all hit the same hit.
This here…burst is an integral part of mmo pvp; however burst that you cannot react to should not be.
70% of the players in this game have very low skill, about 20% have moderate skill, 8% have high skill and 2% are the elite. When you listen to the 70% in terms of balance, you will have a serverly imbalanced game. I hate to sound elitist, but you never hear of the higher skilled players complaining too much about balance. You always hear it from the people that are playing at a low skill level or those new to the game and finally people that are just playing FOTM builds.
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You don’t watch many streams of these self proclaimed elitists do you? They complain all the time, they just don’t post it on the forums as often as people new to the game do; instead they try to bend the ear of the developers to tilt game change in their favor.
How did he kill you and what were the damage totals?
BS Thieves and HB Warriors can’t kill a decent bunker, but a skilled shatter mesmer with the new “glitch” can take down a full bunker in a matter of seconds, further compounded by the fact that if they don’t stay on point they lose it, whereas with a Thief, you can move, because a Thief in stealth can’t cap the point.
Just my opinion. I don’t really see how you can compare this to BS Thief or HB Warrior, I’ve never felt helpless against either, as I’ve always been able to use my stunbreak + counter. Here, if I mis-time my first dodge, I’m dead, even running with 2.7 k armor, if they can pull off the “glitch”.
I think there some misconception going on, Sharp just seized the opportunity to beat the donkey more. The guy’s who’s posted his damage log was actually standing where the heavy training golem pack stand, just to let you know there is an area in the mist full of these golem.
He did x3 4100 DMG with mind wrack and forgot to mention that he was helped in buffing his illusion up to 25 stack of might while his party member debuffed and stacked 25 vulnerability on these static target before landing it’s mind wrack.
Mind wrack which, by the way would only hit for x3 3200 TOP if alone, also, this situation would only happen when all 3 illusion critted upon their simultaneous explosion. So, in reality on static target it’s happening 1 or 2 time out of 15 mind wrack, altho, ppl do move so, illusion hardly hit simultaneously.
The build, since there no video as proof, duo mine experiment, seems to be 30 domination 30 duelist 10 illusion, rune of the scholar, pvp berserk amulet.
This with all major trait utilized for mind wrack damage and it’s critical chance.If there someone able to do replicate it’s damage, without the helping of any party member or something, please, be mine guest, open a thread and also don’t forget to provide more evidence of this behavior.
There was a whole thread with supported videos of the bug, which was easily to reproduce once you figured it out. That whole thread was deleted without any notification to those who posted in it.
@ Mesmer: We’ll be addressing the current Mesmer build that’s spiking for insane damage. Sorry that change got through – it is something we’ll be fixing.
Lmao, where’s my patch for insane thief and warrior burst damage?
Good god. I should just roll a warrior, shouldn’t I? Can you just tell me that- flat out.
Please do roll a GC warrior and post your findings. What you’ll see is that you become fodder for shatter mesmers and you’ll go back to playing your mesmer. I strongly encourage you to do so and post a video of you against mesmers.
The one where a certain someone says, “wicked strong…” I wasn’t moved or deleted, or if it was they didn’t send out notification about the move or deletion.
you kids are silly. sorry i havnt posted anything on this topic yet but its funny.
i have only ever been a mesmer and i have been gib by warrior , ele, thief. now that mesmers can defend themselves everyone that was insta gibbing mesmers have to be careful now.
now because some kids use a macro (because they are bad) you are asking for a mesmer nerf? that is just silly.
how about everyone just grow up and stop abusing the game.(dont play with ppl abusing either, winning is not that important it is a game) you guys want the devs to put ranking in and leader bords and solo q, but everyone of you “top player” that has abused a bug are taking time away from the devs to fix how immature u are. cheaters and bug abusers are not good and never will be.
in conclusion maybe less stacks of might that stay longer duration when u shatter and increase the blink CD on the staff might help some of the QQ. but ppl need to realize shatter is not the only build and i dont even run full shatter build anymore. (so nerfing mesmer might really affect other builds)
pro tip edit-
again i am sorry that you guys cant just run up to a off node and take it from a mesmer you actuall have to tell your team in mid to hit the mesmer a few time then pop his portal. (its called guild wars not nerf wars, use ur team ppl)
Pro-tip, you don’t need to use a macro to reproduce the shatter bug.
Ah. I see your confusion. This isnt what im claiming.
Im claiming that WHATEVER the reality is. That reality is a fact. Its simply a fact we dont know.
im not claiming X proposition (na > europe tournament scene for eg) is a fact. Im claiming X proposition is a claim about reality and some fact that is unknown.Ok problems resolved.
You have the IQ and of a snail.
Possible outcomes:
1. You do have the IQ of a snail
2. You have a lower IQ of a snail
3. You have a higher IQ of a snailMy statement is FACT, because my statement is one of the possible 3 outcomes of this scenario.
The fail there is that i didnt make the statement that started this argument. Someone else did. And someone called him a bigot. And i said i dont think making a claim about reality (ie a state of facts ) is necessarily bigoted. after all it may be true. or for that matter false.
Also. Personal attacks a good argument dont make.
You didn’t make the statement, but you stated it was an objective fact that isn’t supported by…fact.
In your world what you said was “fact” in that world my statement is also “fact”. Therefore stating a fact is not a personal attack and is a valid argument.
Ah. I see your confusion. This isnt what im claiming.
Im claiming that WHATEVER the reality is. That reality is a fact. Its simply a fact we dont know.
im not claiming X proposition (na > europe tournament scene for eg) is a fact. Im claiming X proposition is a claim about reality and some fact that is unknown.Ok problems resolved.
You have the IQ of a snail.
Possible outcomes:
1. You do have the IQ of a snail
2. You have a lower IQ of a snail
3. You have a higher IQ of a snail
My statement is FACT, because my statement is one of the possible 3 outcomes of this scenario.
Idk . YOu can find videos of anyone dying very quickly to any class. Or anyone killing any class very quickly.
If we ever get an elo rating system out that will show how powerful the respective classes are. Namely if they are disproportinally represented at high success and ratings.
However. Its worth noting that the poster here is the 13th most qualifying points of anyone in north america. No small feat. means he is on teams that win paid tourneys very regularly. So, how do mesmers hold up in high end play is the question.
HIGH END PLAY IS WHERE REAL BALANCE SHOWS UP.So while we dont have a true elo to judge the Op. Its reasonable from his ‘credentials’ to assume his team could destroy 90% of the ppl disagreeing with him, mesmers on there side or not.
THE TINY PVP POPULATIONS PROVE YOUR CAPS WRONG.
Balance shows up the very first moment a new player enters PvP for the very first time. The first meta starts with how difficult your chosen class is to play. And in GW2 the first thing any new to PvP player learns is that some classes are VERY VERY hard and some are HEARTSEEKERHEARTSEEKERHEARTSEEKERHEARTSEEKERHEARTSEEKERHEARTSEEKERHEARTSEEKERHEARTSEEKER
any questions?
I understand this. But its a seperate point.
Some classes are harder to use than others. This is true.
So, in the hands of an average player some classes do poorly , and others well.
Even IF, at a high level of play this difference vanishs. Or even reverses.The bulk of any given population on a bell curve , almost by defintion hovers round the middle. So , amongst the average players who represent MOST players , certain classes show up as performing better. Though not necessarily these same classes/specs at high end play.
This is why top players often post ‘l2p’ etc to lower tiered players. Because the complaints those players have are easily solved by there knowledge of the game/skill.
HOwever, sometimes nerfing those classes that are doing well amongst average players because of ease of use makes those classes useless at high end. (not talking about thief specifically just making a general point).
What you have is two curves.
The classes ‘TRUE BALANCE’ which is reflected when played ideally. This means it shows up more at high end.The classes ‘ease of use’ which reflects how it performs in the hands of the average player.
To elaborate with a hypothetical example ( not saying the classess are really reflected like this). John and Susan , both average players. One uses a thief, the other a Ele.
Thief wins the bulk of the time, despite equal skill. Is this evidence of Op?Jane and Brain are both elite players. When they face of with the same classes they win about evenly.
This pattern shows up over a statistically significant sample size. What you have is evidence that one class is easier to use, NOT, that its more powerful.The classes that perform better amongst the bulk of the population, arent overpowered necessarily. (they might ALSO be overpowered but this would be reflected in high end play).
This is actually a problem, but not a problem with balance per se.
And at the other poster.
What im saying is its an unknown fact. There is an answer, just because its not quantified doesn’t mean its not possible to do it.Surely you see how its analgalous to comparing the nba to euroleague basketball.
Though for all i know europe is better. Or they are the same. Or NA is better. We don’t know which state it is. BUT we do know its one of those three states. WE also know that if we had them compete in lan tournaments(so latency wasnt a variable) over a large sample size the answer would show up in the data.=). hope that clarifies what i mean.
You have absolutely no idea what you are saying.
:P. Thats not an argument. Something can be a fact without being known or knowable. Its a fact that there is OR isnt life outside of earth. But we may never know . So, thats the sense in which i mean its a statement about a fact condition :P.
Having the results of a set number of outcomes being present, does not make something a fact. Easy enough?
Idk . YOu can find videos of anyone dying very quickly to any class. Or anyone killing any class very quickly.
If we ever get an elo rating system out that will show how powerful the respective classes are. Namely if they are disproportinally represented at high success and ratings.
However. Its worth noting that the poster here is the 13th most qualifying points of anyone in north america. No small feat. means he is on teams that win paid tourneys very regularly. So, how do mesmers hold up in high end play is the question.
HIGH END PLAY IS WHERE REAL BALANCE SHOWS UP.So while we dont have a true elo to judge the Op. Its reasonable from his ‘credentials’ to assume his team could destroy 90% of the ppl disagreeing with him, mesmers on there side or not.
THE TINY PVP POPULATIONS PROVE YOUR CAPS WRONG.
Balance shows up the very first moment a new player enters PvP for the very first time. The first meta starts with how difficult your chosen class is to play. And in GW2 the first thing any new to PvP player learns is that some classes are VERY VERY hard and some are HEARTSEEKERHEARTSEEKERHEARTSEEKERHEARTSEEKERHEARTSEEKERHEARTSEEKERHEARTSEEKERHEARTSEEKER
any questions?
I understand this. But its a seperate point.
Some classes are harder to use than others. This is true.
So, in the hands of an average player some classes do poorly , and others well.
Even IF, at a high level of play this difference vanishs. Or even reverses.The bulk of any given population on a bell curve , almost by defintion hovers round the middle. So , amongst the average players who represent MOST players , certain classes show up as performing better. Though not necessarily these same classes/specs at high end play.
This is why top players often post ‘l2p’ etc to lower tiered players. Because the complaints those players have are easily solved by there knowledge of the game/skill.
HOwever, sometimes nerfing those classes that are doing well amongst average players because of ease of use makes those classes useless at high end. (not talking about thief specifically just making a general point).
What you have is two curves.
The classes ‘TRUE BALANCE’ which is reflected when played ideally. This means it shows up more at high end.The classes ‘ease of use’ which reflects how it performs in the hands of the average player.
To elaborate with a hypothetical example ( not saying the classess are really reflected like this). John and Susan , both average players. One uses a thief, the other a Ele.
Thief wins the bulk of the time, despite equal skill. Is this evidence of Op?Jane and Brain are both elite players. When they face of with the same classes they win about evenly.
This pattern shows up over a statistically significant sample size. What you have is evidence that one class is easier to use, NOT, that its more powerful.The classes that perform better amongst the bulk of the population, arent overpowered necessarily. (they might ALSO be overpowered but this would be reflected in high end play).
This is actually a problem, but not a problem with balance per se.
And at the other poster.
What im saying is its an unknown fact. There is an answer, just because its not quantified doesn’t mean its not possible to do it.Surely you see how its analgalous to comparing the nba to euroleague basketball.
Though for all i know europe is better. Or they are the same. Or NA is better. We don’t know which state it is. BUT we do know its one of those three states. WE also know that if we had them compete in lan tournaments(so latency wasnt a variable) over a large sample size the answer would show up in the data.=). hope that clarifies what i mean.
You have absolutely no idea what you are saying.
One of a possible 3 outcomes are true, but claiming you can make that statement FACT without the means to competitvely compare the regions makes your statement false.
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…I will also allow myself to disregard what most people said because they clearly don’t grasp what constitutes good game-design.
…and you do? Are you trying to be funny? =]
Would be fun to see heartseeker range nerfed
Would be fun to see Burning Speed, Ride the Lightning, Updraft, Fiery Rush, Fiery Whirl, Burning Retreat, and all the other gap closer skills’ range nerfed.
Updraft?
And of those remaining, how many can you use back to back to back?
I’m interested in the position on macro’ing.
Just to spare the community from verbally killing each other. Nothing like the harrassment that takes place (both ways) when you happen in on a dueling server.
Tongue and Cheek…definitions are available online