It’s not just their ability to hold a node that makes them a top tiered profession. Area retaliation, stability, and heals in most builds.
Put a Mesmer on him with boon removal and interrupts. Look for repetitive patterns, and try to be one step ahead of his defensive skills. If the fight drags out, then expect more opponents to come and call for backup to counter it. That’s the best advice I can give without risking this becoming a 20 page long debate
I’m not even sure as to the reason you wrote this.
I’m not asking for a nerf, I am asking to make Engineer’s more competive in survival, nerfs do not solve this issue, this is a mechanic issue of what ability/spell can be used to counter another ability.
What exactly are you looking for? More survival? Engineers are one of the big three when it comes to bunker builds.
As a GC engineer the big issue is the dancing you have to do to pull off inferior burst to some of the other GC specs. So either bring them in line, with mechanics, or tone down their burst.
All the Guardians I’ve played against I’ve had no problem with, they just survived longer then other professions. I’m not a big tournament player though, but I don’t think bunker builds are as impossible to beat, as people make them seem. It’s more the strategy in which they are used, that makes them feel powerful. I.e. guard the node until an ally comes to help you fight 2v1.
It’s not just their ability to hold a node that makes them a top tiered profession. Area retaliation, stability, and heals in most builds.
I pretty much only PvP in mmos and already went back to PvE to level an alt. For some reason I decided to try my engi in PvP just to see, not sure why I bothered.
Played one spvp game, one sided stomping, I just stand in back lines and destroy everyone with nades, other team starts losing and people keep quitting making it even more lopsided victory.
Bad luck I guess so I go solo queue for a tourney. Win first match 500-50, other team has 4 players. Dumb. 2nd round face a team of people ranked top 30 in QP rankings and get stomped because they either got stomped and lost all their tickets or there are no paid tourneys running.
Great system Anet.
Rift PvP had more balanced matches than this lol.
Agreed with the systems A-net has, but Rift pvp was NOT more balanced than this…
New MMO’s should not have an expectation of more “time” to only repeat the same mistakes as their predecessors. That’s why people are so quick to leave. We don’t want to have to go through the development cycle “AGAIN” with another company, especially if we’re working on the same problems of previous games.
I really enjoy the game, but there is no denying the huge exodus that has already occurred. It’s unfortunate, but hopefully with this being a subscription free game people will rejoin after some major improvements.
Rift, being the last MMO, I’ve played experienced the same type of drop in population and it hasn’t recovered (nor do I expect it to).
Sorry but from my perspective there seems to be something really wrong with you; but when someone tells you played badly in a certain instance, than you either try and justifiy why don’t think you did or thank him for pointing it out and try and improve.
It’s in no way an insult, and we as a team actively try and pin point when we could have done things better to try and improve upon it in the future.
I don’t see anything wrong with telling someone they played badly in a scenario, but as I said I don’t get why you are so bitter.
Regardless im out of time, I’m sorry to see someone like you trolling these forums and hope that you take a different approach in the future.
Thank you and goodbye.
And from my perspective you lack reading comprehension. You see there is nothing wrong with telling someone that, because they can then go back and improve on thier reading skills. That’s what we do all the time on the forums, we try to encourage people to learn and better themselves for future postings.
You see, I don’t quite understand why you’re so bitter at someone trying to help you improve. It’s really just me helping you, or at least trying to help you. Why won’t you help me help you?
Regardless I’m out of time and am sorry to see someone, who thinks so highly of themselves, being brought down to reality.
You joined into a discussion between those two for what purpose? To spout off the “l2p” mantra that plagues people who think too highly of themselves? Again, that only further proves my point.[/quote]
“you played badly”
“(this isn’t a poke at prince in anyway, because the video provided doesn’t really give a good indication of skill level.)”
In no way did I tell anyone to l2p, all I said was he played badly in that instance; I don’t believe anyone can play perfectly and everyone is prone to making it mistakes and this goes without exception; so please don’t twist my words and make assumptions based on your own insecurities, because I never at any point told the op he was a bad player or that he needed to l2p.
Sorry but it just seems like your a very bitter person, and I have no idea why you seem like you have a bone to pick with me, but don’t distort things.
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I’m sorry, I didn’t know going around telling people they played poorly was some type of compliment. In that case, YOU play poorly everytime you log in and you’re a Random that can’t process what’s happening within the course of a match. No need to thank me for the compliment…
I also don’t think that payne tried to justify that air runes are balanced, he just tried to explain the fact that you don’t even do a good job of showing that air runes are what lost you that fight…
Let’s take a look at this little pearl of wisdom. His post and original topic didn’t spout “OMG I LOST BECAUSE OF AIR RUNE PROCS, MUST BE OP”, yet you represent it as such. Again, big headed much?
@Pyrial I cba to indulge a random anymore than I have already done, its sad to see that there are people like you hanging around these forums, regardless hopefully in the future you learn to be a bit more respectful in your posts, I apologize about the snide comments I made don’t usually do that, but people who start off by stating “Another person who can’t read” don’t normally bode well by my books.
@Prince I understand that those topics were covered in the initial topic I was just adding my two cents into your argument with payne, in no way did I have interest in the main topic since I think that has already been argued many times before.
Also I was just trying to point out that your video gave a bad example and might confuse some people as to what the issue is, because the culling bug wasn’t really illustrated that well in it.
I’m no more of a random than you are. Please continue on thinking you’re better than everyone else and perhaps spare us your soap boxing in the future.
The reference to random was from my perspective, but its sad to see that you have some confidence issues, and I have never claimed to be better than anyone but yet again I suppose you brought that up from thin air just like all your other posts.
Thanks though, cause I don’t need to feel bad because I didn’t wrong someone worth while.
That’s exactly how I feel, glad we are in agreement. You’re a random to me and I don’t particular care what your feelings are. You came into a thread and posted something that had absolutely nothing to do with the post. You then get called on it and get your knickers in a bunch; trying to play the holier than thou art card. I don’t buy it and I don’t need to. Your opinion is just as valid or invalid as everyone elses. The difference between the two of us is that I realize it. You however seem to think you’re actually someone.
Yet again, just pulling things out of thin air.
I never claimed to be someone nor do I care for efame or whatever, although you seem really hung up on it, well anyways im done trading words with you.
P.S I don’t understand what peoples obsession with the word “random” is, but I wanted it to be in the context of someone I don’t really know or care for.
I used it in that context too, so why are you so upset about it? You obviously have a very high opinion of yourself (as it relates to this game).
Please point me to the post, that indicates that I think highly of myself and that I am above everyone else, please do.
Reference your first post and every post following. I understand that the start of this argument stemmed from you not being able to process what was written, so I’ll give you a little time.
I am a little dim witted, so can you please quote the exact lines; because you seem convinced of this and I don’t see it, so indulge me.
I can do you one better, again just read your WHOLE post.
As I thought your unable to, thanks that’s all I needed to know.
Your whole post…how hard is that to understand. I’ll give you the quick 2 second summary of the first paragraph of your first post, to help you get started. It begins where you start telling someone they played poorly, when it had absolutely ZERO to do with the posting topic. Go ahead, read on and digest…I’ll wait.
So that makes me high and mighty, because I told someone he played badly in said situation; you get better with time don’t you ?
At which point did you fail to register that I was addressing the OP and Payene’s conversation, that wasn’t part of the original topic or does that fact escape you everytime ?
A discussion that wasn’t even prompted by the original topic. So you intentionally went by way of Payne and made this a conversation about how well someone played or didn’t play, when that wasn’t the topic at hand. How this escapes you is becoming more and more evident every passing post.
Nope, the topic in its sell was moot point that had already been discussed and mauled over many times before, I just joined into a discussion within the thread that was going on between payene and the op; how many times must I repeat that before it breaks through ?
You joined into a discussion between those two for what purpose? To spout off the “l2p” mantra that plagues people who think too highly of themselves? Again, that only further proves my point.
@Pyrial I cba to indulge a random anymore than I have already done, its sad to see that there are people like you hanging around these forums, regardless hopefully in the future you learn to be a bit more respectful in your posts, I apologize about the snide comments I made don’t usually do that, but people who start off by stating “Another person who can’t read” don’t normally bode well by my books.
@Prince I understand that those topics were covered in the initial topic I was just adding my two cents into your argument with payne, in no way did I have interest in the main topic since I think that has already been argued many times before.
Also I was just trying to point out that your video gave a bad example and might confuse some people as to what the issue is, because the culling bug wasn’t really illustrated that well in it.
I’m no more of a random than you are. Please continue on thinking you’re better than everyone else and perhaps spare us your soap boxing in the future.
The reference to random was from my perspective, but its sad to see that you have some confidence issues, and I have never claimed to be better than anyone but yet again I suppose you brought that up from thin air just like all your other posts.
Thanks though, cause I don’t need to feel bad because I didn’t wrong someone worth while.
That’s exactly how I feel, glad we are in agreement. You’re a random to me and I don’t particular care what your feelings are. You came into a thread and posted something that had absolutely nothing to do with the post. You then get called on it and get your knickers in a bunch; trying to play the holier than thou art card. I don’t buy it and I don’t need to. Your opinion is just as valid or invalid as everyone elses. The difference between the two of us is that I realize it. You however seem to think you’re actually someone.
Yet again, just pulling things out of thin air.
I never claimed to be someone nor do I care for efame or whatever, although you seem really hung up on it, well anyways im done trading words with you.
P.S I don’t understand what peoples obsession with the word “random” is, but I wanted it to be in the context of someone I don’t really know or care for.
I used it in that context too, so why are you so upset about it? You obviously have a very high opinion of yourself (as it relates to this game).
Please point me to the post, that indicates that I think highly of myself and that I am above everyone else, please do.
Reference your first post and every post following. I understand that the start of this argument stemmed from you not being able to process what was written, so I’ll give you a little time.
I am a little dim witted, so can you please quote the exact lines; because you seem convinced of this and I don’t see it, so indulge me.
I can do you one better, again just read your WHOLE post.
As I thought your unable to, thanks that’s all I needed to know.
Your whole post…how hard is that to understand. I’ll give you the quick 2 second summary of the first paragraph of your first post, to help you get started. It begins where you start telling someone they played poorly, when it had absolutely ZERO to do with the posting topic. Go ahead, read on and digest…I’ll wait.
So that makes me high and mighty, because I told someone he played badly in said situation; you get better with time don’t you ?
At which point did you fail to register that I was addressing the OP and Payene’s conversation, that wasn’t part of the original topic or does that fact escape you everytime ?
A discussion that wasn’t even prompted by the original topic. So you intentionally went by way of Payne and made this a conversation about how well someone played or didn’t play, when that wasn’t the topic at hand. How this escapes you is becoming more and more evident every passing post.
Your post, about a relevant issue, became nothing more than a l2p response. The action of which is associated with someone being, as you put it, “high and mighty.”
@Pyrial I cba to indulge a random anymore than I have already done, its sad to see that there are people like you hanging around these forums, regardless hopefully in the future you learn to be a bit more respectful in your posts, I apologize about the snide comments I made don’t usually do that, but people who start off by stating “Another person who can’t read” don’t normally bode well by my books.
@Prince I understand that those topics were covered in the initial topic I was just adding my two cents into your argument with payne, in no way did I have interest in the main topic since I think that has already been argued many times before.
Also I was just trying to point out that your video gave a bad example and might confuse some people as to what the issue is, because the culling bug wasn’t really illustrated that well in it.
I’m no more of a random than you are. Please continue on thinking you’re better than everyone else and perhaps spare us your soap boxing in the future.
The reference to random was from my perspective, but its sad to see that you have some confidence issues, and I have never claimed to be better than anyone but yet again I suppose you brought that up from thin air just like all your other posts.
Thanks though, cause I don’t need to feel bad because I didn’t wrong someone worth while.
That’s exactly how I feel, glad we are in agreement. You’re a random to me and I don’t particular care what your feelings are. You came into a thread and posted something that had absolutely nothing to do with the post. You then get called on it and get your knickers in a bunch; trying to play the holier than thou art card. I don’t buy it and I don’t need to. Your opinion is just as valid or invalid as everyone elses. The difference between the two of us is that I realize it. You however seem to think you’re actually someone.
Yet again, just pulling things out of thin air.
I never claimed to be someone nor do I care for efame or whatever, although you seem really hung up on it, well anyways im done trading words with you.
P.S I don’t understand what peoples obsession with the word “random” is, but I wanted it to be in the context of someone I don’t really know or care for.
I used it in that context too, so why are you so upset about it? You obviously have a very high opinion of yourself (as it relates to this game).
Please point me to the post, that indicates that I think highly of myself and that I am above everyone else, please do.
Reference your first post and every post following. I understand that the start of this argument stemmed from you not being able to process what was written, so I’ll give you a little time.
I am a little dim witted, so can you please quote the exact lines; because you seem convinced of this and I don’t see it, so indulge me.
I can do you one better, again just read your WHOLE post.
As I thought your unable to, thanks that’s all I needed to know.
Your whole post…how hard is that to understand. I’ll give you the quick 2 second summary of the first paragraph of your first post, to help you get started. It begins where you start telling someone they played poorly, when it had absolutely ZERO to do with the posting topic. Go ahead, read on and digest…I’ll wait.
@Pyrial I cba to indulge a random anymore than I have already done, its sad to see that there are people like you hanging around these forums, regardless hopefully in the future you learn to be a bit more respectful in your posts, I apologize about the snide comments I made don’t usually do that, but people who start off by stating “Another person who can’t read” don’t normally bode well by my books.
@Prince I understand that those topics were covered in the initial topic I was just adding my two cents into your argument with payne, in no way did I have interest in the main topic since I think that has already been argued many times before.
Also I was just trying to point out that your video gave a bad example and might confuse some people as to what the issue is, because the culling bug wasn’t really illustrated that well in it.
I’m no more of a random than you are. Please continue on thinking you’re better than everyone else and perhaps spare us your soap boxing in the future.
The reference to random was from my perspective, but its sad to see that you have some confidence issues, and I have never claimed to be better than anyone but yet again I suppose you brought that up from thin air just like all your other posts.
Thanks though, cause I don’t need to feel bad because I didn’t wrong someone worth while.
That’s exactly how I feel, glad we are in agreement. You’re a random to me and I don’t particular care what your feelings are. You came into a thread and posted something that had absolutely nothing to do with the post. You then get called on it and get your knickers in a bunch; trying to play the holier than thou art card. I don’t buy it and I don’t need to. Your opinion is just as valid or invalid as everyone elses. The difference between the two of us is that I realize it. You however seem to think you’re actually someone.
Yet again, just pulling things out of thin air.
I never claimed to be someone nor do I care for efame or whatever, although you seem really hung up on it, well anyways im done trading words with you.
P.S I don’t understand what peoples obsession with the word “random” is, but I wanted it to be in the context of someone I don’t really know or care for.
I used it in that context too, so why are you so upset about it? You obviously have a very high opinion of yourself (as it relates to this game).
Please point me to the post, that indicates that I think highly of myself and that I am above everyone else, please do.
Reference your first post and every post following. I understand that the start of this argument stemmed from you not being able to process what was written, so I’ll give you a little time.
I am a little dim witted, so can you please quote the exact lines; because you seem convinced of this and I don’t see it, so indulge me.
I can do you one better, again just read your WHOLE post.
@Pyrial I cba to indulge a random anymore than I have already done, its sad to see that there are people like you hanging around these forums, regardless hopefully in the future you learn to be a bit more respectful in your posts, I apologize about the snide comments I made don’t usually do that, but people who start off by stating “Another person who can’t read” don’t normally bode well by my books.
@Prince I understand that those topics were covered in the initial topic I was just adding my two cents into your argument with payne, in no way did I have interest in the main topic since I think that has already been argued many times before.
Also I was just trying to point out that your video gave a bad example and might confuse some people as to what the issue is, because the culling bug wasn’t really illustrated that well in it.
I’m no more of a random than you are. Please continue on thinking you’re better than everyone else and perhaps spare us your soap boxing in the future.
The reference to random was from my perspective, but its sad to see that you have some confidence issues, and I have never claimed to be better than anyone but yet again I suppose you brought that up from thin air just like all your other posts.
Thanks though, cause I don’t need to feel bad because I didn’t wrong someone worth while.
That’s exactly how I feel, glad we are in agreement. You’re a random to me and I don’t particular care what your feelings are. You came into a thread and posted something that had absolutely nothing to do with the post. You then get called on it and get your knickers in a bunch; trying to play the holier than thou art card. I don’t buy it and I don’t need to. Your opinion is just as valid or invalid as everyone elses. The difference between the two of us is that I realize it. You however seem to think you’re actually someone.
Yet again, just pulling things out of thin air.
I never claimed to be someone nor do I care for efame or whatever, although you seem really hung up on it, well anyways im done trading words with you.
P.S I don’t understand what peoples obsession with the word “random” is, but I wanted it to be in the context of someone I don’t really know or care for.
I used it in that context too, so why are you so upset about it? You obviously have a very high opinion of yourself (as it relates to this game).
Please point me to the post, that indicates that I think highly of myself and that I am above everyone else, please do.
Reference your first post and every post following. I understand that the start of this argument stemmed from you not being able to process what was written, so I’ll give you a little time.
@Pyrial I cba to indulge a random anymore than I have already done, its sad to see that there are people like you hanging around these forums, regardless hopefully in the future you learn to be a bit more respectful in your posts, I apologize about the snide comments I made don’t usually do that, but people who start off by stating “Another person who can’t read” don’t normally bode well by my books.
@Prince I understand that those topics were covered in the initial topic I was just adding my two cents into your argument with payne, in no way did I have interest in the main topic since I think that has already been argued many times before.
Also I was just trying to point out that your video gave a bad example and might confuse some people as to what the issue is, because the culling bug wasn’t really illustrated that well in it.
I’m no more of a random than you are. Please continue on thinking you’re better than everyone else and perhaps spare us your soap boxing in the future.
The reference to random was from my perspective, but its sad to see that you have some confidence issues, and I have never claimed to be better than anyone but yet again I suppose you brought that up from thin air just like all your other posts.
Thanks though, cause I don’t need to feel bad because I didn’t wrong someone worth while.
That’s exactly how I feel, glad we are in agreement. You’re a random to me and I don’t particular care what your feelings are. You came into a thread and posted something that had absolutely nothing to do with the post. You then get called on it and get your knickers in a bunch; trying to play the holier than thou art card. I don’t buy it and I don’t need to. Your opinion is just as valid or invalid as everyone elses. The difference between the two of us is that I realize it. You however seem to think you’re actually someone.
Yet again, just pulling things out of thin air.
I never claimed to be someone nor do I care for efame or whatever, although you seem really hung up on it, well anyways im done trading words with you.
P.S I don’t understand what peoples obsession with the word “random” is, but I wanted it to be in the context of someone I don’t really know or care for.
I used it in that context too, so why are you so upset about it? You obviously have a very high opinion of yourself (as it relates to this game).
@Pyrial I cba to indulge a random anymore than I have already done, its sad to see that there are people like you hanging around these forums, regardless hopefully in the future you learn to be a bit more respectful in your posts, I apologize about the snide comments I made don’t usually do that, but people who start off by stating “Another person who can’t read” don’t normally bode well by my books.
@Prince I understand that those topics were covered in the initial topic I was just adding my two cents into your argument with payne, in no way did I have interest in the main topic since I think that has already been argued many times before.
Also I was just trying to point out that your video gave a bad example and might confuse some people as to what the issue is, because the culling bug wasn’t really illustrated that well in it.
I’m no more of a random than you are. Please continue on thinking you’re better than everyone else and perhaps spare us your soap boxing in the future.
The reference to random was from my perspective, but its sad to see that you have some confidence issues, and I have never claimed to be better than anyone but yet again I suppose you brought that up from thin air just like all your other posts.
Thanks though, cause I don’t need to feel bad because I didn’t wrong someone worth while.
That’s exactly how I feel, glad we are in agreement. You’re a random to me and I don’t particular care what your feelings are. You came into a thread and posted something that had absolutely nothing to do with the post. You then get called on it and get your knickers in a bunch; trying to play the holier than thou art card. I don’t buy it and I don’t need to. Your opinion is just as valid or invalid as everyone elses. The difference between the two of us is that I realize it. You however seem to think you’re actually someone.
Pyrial I have no clue who you are, but Xeph is probably one of the most respected people in the guild wars community; if you’ve ever been on his stream or whispered him in game you would understand that, on the other hand the only random who actually thinks he’s someone is you; you just come off as a kitten really.
You are probably a random to most people, while Xeph isn’t, so crawl back into the cave you came out of.
I have no clue who you are either…Doesn’t change the simple fact that everyone’s opinions are weighted the same. I don’t know Xeph apart from this posting, he’s just as much a random as you are. I’m a part of this so called community you speak of and NO he’s not one of hte most respected people within it, just because you walk around carrying his nut cup doesn’t mean he is anymore relevant to me.
I forgot to mention, “EWWW a stream!!!!!!” Wow, can he sign my mouse pad?
@Pyrial I cba to indulge a random anymore than I have already done, its sad to see that there are people like you hanging around these forums, regardless hopefully in the future you learn to be a bit more respectful in your posts, I apologize about the snide comments I made don’t usually do that, but people who start off by stating “Another person who can’t read” don’t normally bode well by my books.
@Prince I understand that those topics were covered in the initial topic I was just adding my two cents into your argument with payne, in no way did I have interest in the main topic since I think that has already been argued many times before.
Also I was just trying to point out that your video gave a bad example and might confuse some people as to what the issue is, because the culling bug wasn’t really illustrated that well in it.
I’m no more of a random than you are. Please continue on thinking you’re better than everyone else and perhaps spare us your soap boxing in the future.
The reference to random was from my perspective, but its sad to see that you have some confidence issues, and I have never claimed to be better than anyone but yet again I suppose you brought that up from thin air just like all your other posts.
Thanks though, cause I don’t need to feel bad because I didn’t wrong someone worth while.
That’s exactly how I feel, glad we are in agreement. You’re a random to me and I don’t particular care what your feelings are. You came into a thread and posted something that had absolutely nothing to do with the post. You then get called on it and get your knickers in a bunch; trying to play the holier than thou art card. I don’t buy it and I don’t need to. Your opinion is just as valid or invalid as everyone elses. The difference between the two of us is that I realize it. You however seem to think you’re actually someone.
@Pyrial I cba to indulge a random anymore than I have already done, its sad to see that there are people like you hanging around these forums, regardless hopefully in the future you learn to be a bit more respectful in your posts, I apologize about the snide comments I made don’t usually do that, but people who start off by stating “Another person who can’t read” don’t normally bode well by my books.
@Prince I understand that those topics were covered in the initial topic I was just adding my two cents into your argument with payne, in no way did I have interest in the main topic since I think that has already been argued many times before.
Also I was just trying to point out that your video gave a bad example and might confuse some people as to what the issue is, because the culling bug wasn’t really illustrated that well in it.
I’m no more of a random than you are. Please continue on thinking you’re better than everyone else and perhaps spare us your soap boxing in the future.
@Xeph, so you agree that air runes are broken; yet you tried to derail the post. Glad you admit that your whole post was unneccesary and by virtue deserving of my snide remark.
Well there is no hope when a person decides to be narrow minded, I addressed other issues discussed within the topic, forum threads can be used to discuss various other issues be it that the initial topic was diverted from, it doesn’t mean that I cannot other peoples issues or accusations; these are the forums sir get with the program or just don’t post at all.
Sadly your not even a person worth discussing this any further with, learn to look at the bigger picture next time and have a little more respect maybe people will show it to you aswell in the future.
Sadly, you could have spared us all your inane drivel by taking your own advice.
You could also spare us your obvious trolling by not posting.
Again, perhaps you should take your own advice and do us all a kindness.
@Xeph, so you agree that air runes are broken; yet you tried to derail the post. Glad you admit that your whole post was unneccesary and by virtue deserving of my snide remark.
Well there is no hope when a person decides to be narrow minded, I addressed other issues discussed within the topic, forum threads can be used to discuss various other issues be it that the initial topic was diverted from, it doesn’t mean that I cannot other peoples issues or accusations; these are the forums sir get with the program or just don’t post at all.
Sadly your not even a person worth discussing this any further with, learn to look at the bigger picture next time and have a little more respect maybe people will show it to you aswell in the future.
Sadly, you could have spared us all your inane drivel by taking your own advice.
You do understand the reason he remained invisible in that fight was purely due to the fact that he was blinded for the first attack, you blocked the next attack and evaded the last; and a thief doesn’t destealth until he has either landed a hit or the timer has run out.
Thing is you bring this video forth to shed light on a certain subject that has been discussed 100 times previously, but the video fails in every single way to provide evidence of said issues, thing is we acknowledge the presence of those problems and everyone is already aware of them; so the question is why provide a video that fails to prove anything ?
Because it does prove what he was talking about. Ignoring the other half of his post to try to validate your point is down right hilarious.
@Xeph, so you agree that air runes are broken; yet you tried to derail the post. Glad you admit that your whole post was unneccesary and by virtue deserving of my snide remark.
Everyone knows that air runes in their current state are broken, I doubt that anyone is going to deny this; but fact is prince you got outplayed in that fight, there was no indication that air runes were even the reason you lost that fight, you played badly and you were punished for it, so I don’t understand why your arguing otherwise.
I also don’t think that payne tried to justify that air runes are balanced, he just tried to explain the fact that you don’t even do a good job of showing that air runes are what lost you that fight; and the fact that your upset at the rng factor of the air runes and sigils is also a moot point, mmo’s and moba’s alike have always the rng factor incorporated into them, crits and weapon procs have always and will always be around.
I just don’t understand what it is you wish to achieve, by going after payne when all he did was simply clarify what happened in the video and it also baffles me that people still don’t understand that sigil procs and rune procs are part of the gameplay and I doubt they will be removed, there will always be a level of rng that players should be ready to deal with, you can come on the forums and whine about it whenever you feel like you were unlucky, but I doubt that will help the case.
Regarding your argument about thieves, I have found that good elementalist (this isn’t a poke at prince in anyway, because the video provided doesn’t really give a good indication of skill level.) have an easy time dealing with thieves if they understand how to avoid the initial burst, and that thieves in general aren’t as bad as people make them out to be, and we personally haven’t really ran a thief in our main comp and we are still doing very well. Albeit they do need a nerf towards DD and BS to bring them a bit more in line damage wise.
P.S I am no way saying that air runes don’t need to be nerfed, I fully and 100% agree that they should.
Another person who can’t read…What does his ability to play or not play well have to do with the bull kitten rng burst associated with that rune proc? Absolutely nothing…
This wasn’t a thief vs ele thread it was about a bug (culling issue) and the insane rng burst of those runes. All of the other talk in this thread is white noise.
@Zunhar, that is the current model though. Stealth, with the number of ways to access it is one of the best defensive mechanics in the game and it’s tied to warrior level of burst.
As you’re saying that stealth is the only defensive mechanice, then again put it on par with the longer cd defensive mechanics of other classes. As it is now, specs are littered with the ability to enter into stealth virtually at will. Stealth for 5 inititiative…combined with auto attack damage while rebuilding it is over the top.
Cloak & Dagger requires 6 initiative.
Once again, proving your knowledge of game mechanics is lacking.
Watch out, off by 1 inititative while not playing my thief…disproves everything I’ve said
@Zunhar, that is the current model though. Stealth, with the number of ways to access it is one of the best defensive mechanics in the game and it’s tied to warrior level of burst.
As you’re saying that stealth is the only defensive mechanice, then again put it on par with the longer cd defensive mechanics of other classes. As it is now, specs are littered with the ability to enter into stealth virtually at will. Stealth for 5 inititiative…combined with auto attack damage while rebuilding it is over the top.
As Daays said, Cloak and Dagger, which is the best way to enter stealth, costs 6 initaitve which is half of a Thieves entire skill bar of initiative, so Thieves definitely can’t go into stealth “at will”.
I know where you are coming from. Its frustrating to fight an opponent that you can’t see half the match. The rendering issue should be fixed, and then stealth looked at.
Not to be “that guy”, but if you die to auto attack something is wrong.
You do realize the type of damage that auto attack produces correct? The problem with the initiative associated with C/D is that the ini loss is offset by the damage that auto attack does along with 20% go gain ini gain on crit.
@Zunhar, that is the current model though. Stealth, with the number of ways to access it is one of the best defensive mechanics in the game and it’s tied to warrior level of burst.
As you’re saying that stealth is the only defensive mechanice, then again put it on par with the longer cd defensive mechanics of other classes. As it is now, specs are littered with the ability to enter into stealth virtually at will. Stealth for 5 inititiative…combined with auto attack damage while rebuilding it is over the top.
How about they’re in stealth and you can hit them with a kd or a stun. This is exactly why theorycrafting is pointless. Are there counters to thief abilities? Yes. The problem isn’t saying what to do in what situation the issue is an ability sways the balance in the favor of a thief disproportionately (given the burst).
A-net has stated they would not make the same mistakes as previous mmo’s in duplicating the perma stealth imbalance. The “perma” stealth from other games would be preferable to this one, because once out of stealth it requires the use of a long duration cd to get back into stealth. Constantly jumping in and out of stealth and doing the type of damage they do is not balanced by any means.
Stealth doesn’t stop K/D and stuns. You can still land them against a stealthed target. If a thief stealths against a warrior with Bull Rush for example, the warrior can BR and it will still land. It takes ~1 second for all abilites to stop tracking a player when stealthing.
It is quite clear you don’t know how stealth functions and assume it’s some cloak of shadows in which the player is immune to all CC and damage.
rofl…I know you can land a stun or kd when someone is in stealth…the answer to stealth is to blindly swing and use cd’s to potentially kd or stun a player that may or may not be there?
I’ll compare my playing time and experience in all professions against yours any day.
I see a bunch of, “Dont nerf me bro”.
Nerfing thief damage will not be the rise of more bunkers, it will be the rise of more classes being able to go DPS.
When we dont have to fear being bursted down in >3 sec. by a kitten player playing an OP class….thats when this game will start to shine.
And then all you other bad players that keep asking for stupid nerfs will find something new to complain about, and repeat the cycle of forum warrioring.
p.s. I play a thief along with 4 other classes.
This isn’t about nerfing damage. It’s known that is going to happen. OP is talking about nerfing stealth which is a thief’s only defensive mechanic (aside from evasion which is global).
This should be posted on the front page of the forums. Thieves only defense mechanic is stealth and evades. No damage immunities, no easy protection application, nothing. Just stealth.
Then again, adjust stealth mechanics to be in line with the longer cd defensive mechanics. What you’re suggesting is that everyone should then have constant access to guardian defensive mechanics AND hb warrior burst.
The counter to stealth is just root & dmg. Any thief at 50% health should be eating a root or Moa or whatever. Once all breaks are down a root is death. Sure they can stealth but they can’t move or dodge and still take damage like normal.
So defined in your counter, “…or whatever” That’s not a real counter. How do you beat a warrior, “well you do whatever when they’re at 50%”. How do you beat a shatter mesmer, “well you know, you do whatever when they’re at 50%”
Let’s look at your suggestion though, what do you do if you don’t have a root or moa?
You do “whatever”. How about a knockdown? How about a stun? How about a Daze? If you don’t have “whatever” then it’s like me complaining as a Thief I can’t stomp people due to lack of stability. I need someone else to do that for me.
How about they’re in stealth and you can’t hit them with a kd or a stun because you can’t see them. This is exactly why theorycrafting is pointless. Are there counters to thief abilities? Yes. The problem isn’t saying what to do in what situation the issue is an ability sways the balance in the favor of a thief disproportionately (given the burst).
A-net has stated they would not make the same mistakes as previous mmo’s in duplicating the perma stealth imbalance. The “perma” stealth from other games would be preferable to this one, because once out of stealth it requires the use of a long duration cd to get back into stealth. Constantly jumping in and out of stealth and doing the type of damage they do is not balanced by any means.
Ways to counter stealth:
Stack conditions before he go stealth
Heavy AoE in predictabe place of thief
Constant movement,
applying protection,
aoe chill/criple
Root
Knockback/stun/knockdown
Swinging your weapeons basic attack( if it connects you know where is thief)
Look at combat log when random attacking and you know if you hit thief
The last and the most trusty- bunker build
I don’t need suggestions on how to play against poorly played thieves. You won’t have to blow a single defensive cd when playing against them. The problem being, it is not an even playing field for those of equal skill dealing with the current model of high burst and built in survivability of stealth.
See thief, immobilize/stun, kill him. Doesn’t matter if he stealths. He’ll die. You can’t get hit by an immobilze or stun as a thief. Stealth won’t save you. You’ll just die while invisible.
Because if everything went as perfectly as described and we played against AI, then that would be a plausible response. That isn’t the case, I can just as easily say that the thief will always open and burst you down from 100-0. That’s not what I’m addressing, I’m talking about the give and take nature of balancing burst to be in line with the fundamental trade off for that burst. Inherently, stealth negates this trade off.
It’s not a matter of theorycraft it’s a matter of practical application. Fundamentally, the ability to do this type of damage is not off set by their lack of defense. Stealth ‘s inherent defence doesn’t justify the trade off of burst.
The counter to stealth is just root & dmg. Any thief at 50% health should be eating a root or Moa or whatever. Once all breaks are down a root is death. Sure they can stealth but they can’t move or dodge and still take damage like normal.
So defined in your counter, “…or whatever” That’s not a real counter. How do you beat a warrior, “well you do whatever when they’re at 50%”. How do you beat a shatter mesmer, “well you know, you do whatever when they’re at 50%”
Let’s look at your suggestion though, what do you do if you don’t have a root or moa?
Thieves are squishy as hell? Possibly if it wasn’t for the built in survivability of stealth and that’s what needs to be the trade off. You do great burst you should be “squishy” like every other glass cannon build. The problem being, they’re not.
It’s not about mind games, I don’t care about poorly played thieves who stand in the area they stealthed from. I’m talking about the ones who know to rotate cd and reopen.
More tanky is an option, but like I said I’m fine with the burst potential of the profession (similar to warriors or engineers), but stealth is the problem. You should be able to fight AFTER you’ve been open on. Getting cd/steal/signet/bs and living to 30% health and then starting the fight isn’t a problem. You blow cool downs that get you back up to 60-70%, that’s fair so now “let’s fight!” But guess what? The thief just stealths and reopens…now you blow more cool downs, evasions, dodges, and you’ve managed to get the thief ( by blindly aoe’ing) to 50% and now you’re at 40%. So now it’s really on! Guess what, a heal that stealths… and thus the cycle continues except you’ve had maybe 10-15% view time on the thief for the whole duration of the fight.
Without the type of burst needed to take down some of these bunker builds the game is going to shift even further to a snooze fest. The bigger problem, imho, is the numerous ways to constantly shift into to stealth and reset fights without risk to the thief.
>3 second stealth
>reset fights
l2p
L2thief, or at least play against one who knows what they’re doing.
It’s actually pretty hilarious to burn down new players that know nothing about game/class mechanics. If only they AoE.
3 seconds? With rendering and duration stacking, no not three seconds. Also, stealth, damage, stealth, damage, stealth….that is what resets fights. Being able to negate most damage by simply shifting into stealth is over the top when combined with the damage.
BTW, not everyone has an endless supply of aoe to blindly throw around and blindly throwing around abilities because you cannot see a character who is shifting in and out of sight IS the problem.
Without the type of burst needed to take down some of these bunker builds the game is going to shift even further to a snooze fest. The bigger problem, imho, is the numerous ways to constantly shift into to stealth and reset fights without risk to the thief.
1. Fix the bug that plagues it, correct the rendering issue.
Any combination of the following:
2. Lengthen the revealed debuff (if fixing the rendering issue isn’t an option, then this debuff should be lengthened substantially).
3. Movement reduction while in stealth
I’ve come to terms with thieves being bursty, the trade off needs to come from the built in survivability of stealth and with its current form there is no trade off.
@shin, this is what I was describing as to the bear cleanse. My pets are on passive and if I send him to attack and then put him on passive to come near me and cleanse he runs off to who ever.
