Guild Wars 2

Cooperative instanced challenging instances add replaybility to the game and thus longevity. This is something a MMO wants to work toward to for the sake of their active playerbase.

Colesy, think about the latest Living Story boss encounters that are actually cool but that no one is ever going to touch again. They could be easily recycled into a dungeon and add more stuff for their players to invest time on.

Adding dungeons that reflect that kind of mechanic recycling is just smart business. Doing a one-time encounter for Living Story is not, however.

Because by confirming their lack of kittens given to investing in new dungeons, they would be shooing their customers away all by themselves.

It’s much more profitable to just continuously feed them hope until they wander off by themselves. All the while dropping a few bucks on the Gemstore they love.

He asked: “Will we be seeing new dungeons on HoT?”

Jon Peters: “Hum… well as you guys seen in the video… challenging group content, I like to use those terrible phrases, hum.. you know, there’s gonna be stuff, we just aren’t ready to say exactly what the content is”

Jesus Christ NoTrigger, you really are riding the hope train on this.

There’s nothing. They’re dodging it.

Why would it mean lupi is a revenant? just means he is a warrior xD

You do realise your post won’t change anything right?

The problem is with the in-game community, which is vastly different than the small part of the community that frequents the forum and therefore is definitely more knowledgeable than the majority.

J Eberle.9312:

Prepare yourselves..

You forgot to erase his name in the bottom

filthy casual

NoTrigger.8396:

if i remember correctly, when they were showing the fight on stream they said something like “5 really good players could beat this boss”

Certainly, but that doesn’t mean there will be a situation where only 5 players will be there. If it’s open world, you can bet on it being zerged, filled with people and bodies who won’t waypoint when dead.

A coordinated group can be a zerg. Examples: Tequatl, Triple Wurm.

NoTrigger.8396:

Quickfoot Katana.8642:

Their raid designer has already been working on helping the latest world boss added with LS. They also said we would see the work of the raid designer hired in encounters “all over the map”, like that Wyvern, which is a world boss.

which is a good thing and doesnt automatically mean there wont be instanced content.

+ if im not mistaken they said the boss is a 5 man boss?

Quoted from blogpost. This is the reason they changed the Defiant system.

“In Guild Wars 2, there are many skills that we consider control skills because they control what an enemy can do. These skills can stun an enemy, make them run in fear, knock them down, or otherwise prevent them from moving and attacking as they wish. These become problematic for boss creatures, which could be permanently controlled when fighting a coordinated group or *large number of players.”*

It is also said the Wyvern will harass players in the jungle and it’s open world. I hardly see how they would limit that fight to 5 players if thats the case.

This is also their reasoning for the Defiant re-work. To make zerg content more interesting in terms of CC. Of course we all know how this will end up: the new defiant bar being chewed away by the zerg spamming CC skills and it’s regeneration cant keep up with the CC spam and it just won’t matter the timing of CC, if the boss is constantly losing stacks lightning fast.

Look, I’m not saying our current Defiant is good, because it isn’t. But applying the new concept of Defiant to our old dungeons is just stupid. It doesn’t make sense.

Their raid designer has already been working on helping the latest world boss added with LS. They also said we would see the work of the raid designer hired in encounters “all over the map”, like that Wyvern, which is a world boss.

NoTrigger.8396:

“cc diversity” might be ruined. but with this system they open the door for more complex encounters and interrupt-based mechanics that can melt your face.

and i really doubt they changed this with more easy mode content in mind.

They made this system with open-world content in mind as their first, number one, priority. You still think we’re getting dungeons in HoT?

NoTrigger.8396:

Quickfoot Katana.8642:

Why ruin all CC in organized instanced content if this change is clearly meant for zerg content?

if you think its ruined and “boring” then you probably dont understand the system.

and actually its not that hard to understand and see what you can do with it in terms of boss mechanics.

I definitely understood and Miku repplied correctly with my opinion

Nevets Crimsonwing.5271:

Quickfoot Katana.8642:

Kurr.4179:

2) Is there really a pre-determined effect from using a CC skill? That would ruin so many skills, not even funny. I really hope this is wrong information.

This is just an awful system. That alone turns all CC skills in PvE into generic copies of each other with different values to break the new Defiant bar.

We will no longer have different types of CC, since the “break-defiant-bar” response will be a “significant stun”.

That is a boring system.

I agree. Why put that system in dungeons? It makes sense to put it in zerg content because it’s not like your CC was doing anything anyway, but why ruin all cc in organized instanced content?

I believe I have the answer to that question:

Why ruin all CC in organized instanced content if this change is clearly meant for zerg content?

Well, because they’ve stopped developping organized instanced content for this game. Now they only churn out zerg content through world bosses.

Heart of Thorns will be filled with it. There will be no new dungeons in HoT. How do I know that?

Because it’s so much easier to deliver good news than bad news.

If there was anything they would be thrilled to tease us, but there’s nothing which explains the silence and spam of the terms “challenging group content” for open-world HoT content. They’re trying to move away as far as possible from the dungeon concept as “challenging group content”.

They probably found out the majority of their playerbase is not skilled enough to perform regular dungeons, so it’s not worth to spend time developping said area.

Dungeons also are static, and go agaisnt their idea of “a living world, with dynamic stuff happening everywhere”.

Then again, world bosses are spawned on a timer basis, so much for dynamic right?

It’s just hipocrisy.

dlonie.6547:

wauwi.9162:

The PvE community is already heavily split between meta and anti-meta (i’m kinda both), so not implementing [hard mode], even tho the resources and know-how is there (like fractal instabilities), taking both sides and say “NOW KISS!” isn’t really gonna help.

Right? This would make things so much better for both groups:

- Players that would just like to casually run an easy version of a dungeon wouldn’t have to worry about conforming to some standard that they don’t care about.
- Players that are serious about their dungeon runs could have more difficult content that better justifies the requirements placed on their groups.

It seems like it’d be such a godsend for this game.

Perhaps they’d be more open to an “easy vs. normal” mode for dungeons instead of “normal vs. hard”? It could be the same thing, just with different labels — except these labels would help bolster their reputation as the “casual friendly” MMO.

They already stated there will never be a Hard Mode for GW2. Why? They say it splits the playerbase.

The genius statement of the year. It splits the playerbase so we won’t do it. Well? Your playerbase is already split Anet, and no matter how long you wait, those 2 different type of players are NEVER getting along. It’s impossible.

What do we end up with? Instead of trying to find a balance for the two type of players they go all-in on the casual type. This game’s design decisions are such a constant disapointment.

Kurr.4179:

2) Is there really a pre-determined effect from using a CC skill? That would ruin so many skills, not even funny. I really hope this is wrong information.

This is just an awful system. That alone turns all CC skills in PvE into generic copies of each other with different values to break the new Defiant bar.

We will no longer have different types of CC, since the “break-defiant-bar” response will be a “significant stun”.

That is a boring system.

rotten.9753:

Quickfoot Katana.8642:

So… that flying dragon spitting fire was confirmed recently to be an open-world boss:

http://www.tentonhammer.com/interview/guild-wars-2-interview-jon-peters-and-kevin-stocker-talk-defiance-wyvern

One less potential boss for a dungeon in HoT. It’s looking more likely that we get no new dungeons for HoT each day.

You don’t like cooperating with the best community in online gaming?

I know it’s sarcasm but I feel compelled to answer anyways: zerging sucks. I feel useless in it, like I’m just another number and that my actions have meaningless effect.

Being a fish in a school is not what I signed up for a MMO. I get it how casuals find the appeal though

I get really frustated when I look around in World bosses and people arent doing kitten. Like they might aswell not be playing, if they consider that playing!

Also, look at these loaded questions from the interviews. They must be the pinnacle of PHIWs:

• Ten Ton Hammer: Do you think this change to Defiance will encourage players to spread out their utility skills so they aren’t just bringing damage to the table?

• Ten Ton Hammer: It seems as though with the addition of Slow and Taunt and now Defiance that Guild Wars 2 is moving in a direction of control as opposed to always relying on damage to overcome content.

And some of them are straight up obvious:

• Ten Ton Hammer: Do you envisage players moving away from pure Berzerker builds thanks to things such as Defiance?

So… that flying dragon spitting fire was confirmed recently to be an open-world boss:

http://www.tentonhammer.com/interview/guild-wars-2-interview-jon-peters-and-kevin-stocker-talk-defiance-wyvern

One less potential boss for a dungeon in HoT. It’s looking more likely that we get no new dungeons for HoT each day.

Dub.1273:

But there’s also less (well, no) chance to mess up existing, working content.

cough Hodgins cough Tzark

So Dub, when can I see how do I make the AC p1 p2 p3 all-in-one trick?

kitten Sam. Your reddit thread is being downvoted with some massive hate. What the hell.

Please reddit show me on this doll where the evil word “speedrun” touched you

It’s probably Lordkrall or Okarizee. Those two Anet fanboys downvote anything that isnt praising Anet or that speaks about speedruns or dungeons

It’s deleted

Rising Dusk.2408:

Sins.4782:

Soo… which devs do they send your reports to?

I can’t actually share that information

hehe you already talk like one of them!

Just kididng, congratulations man and I hope the dungeon community get’s to see the effect of your actions in the game as sooner as possible!

Omg…

#JadenSmithThoughts

What if we, by selling dungeons are actually contributing for bads not to improve their gameplay and always stay at a poor gameplay level? What if they were actually forced to do Arah for their dungeon master or dungeons for their legendaries, would they be better players?? Would they learn and the skill-level of the average players rise to more acceptable levels?

Are we causing all of this?

/The Deep.

Dub.1273:

We might do an ac p1p2p3 speedrun soon, you’ll then be able to see how it works.

Just dont post it on reddit or it might get fixed before I get the chance to play it xD

Dub please tell me how you did that, I need something new to do in GW2 dungeons and fighting 3 or 2 bosses at the same time is definitely appealing

Dub.1273:

I like AC.

How? :O

dlonie.6547:

The Adventures thing does have a chance to be something good, I think. Considering:

- They’re meant to replace hearts. Most of them will need to be on the easy side of things, as this is for open world PvE’rs. If they decide to put in some actual decent boss fights in just a few of them as well, that’s something I’d like to see.
- They can be instanced. Imagine a world boss where you can start up an instance for you solo, your 5 man party, or your 500 man guild. Depending on how they decide to tune scaling, these could potentially be like fractal shards without the RNG.
- They demo’d the first one in the starter area. I hope this is why it looked like more of a faceroll tutorial than a challenge.

If some of the encounters are instanced and challenging, I’d enjoy it. I can potentially see them putting in something like a dungeon path as an Adventure. It sounds like a really flexible system that, if done right, could satisfy both casuals and elitists.

I’d like to see more about the reward system as well. But even with no significant reward, optionally instancing open world bosses would be an improvement.

Where does it say it can be instanced? The Adventure they showed us was clearly open world

In TA a bowbear pug asked me in the middle of the run what build he should run (I hadn’t said anything in chat until then)

A single elitist tear ran down my face that moment.

Bowbear by bowbear, tyria will be cleansed of this evil.

Wethospu.6437:

10/10. Would afk again.

Had I not just seen that reddit thread I would be outright calling you out on your demise fall for the PHYW ways!

That build is some strong kitten

Reddit is trying to make dungeon selling “considered an abuse”

http://www.reddit.com/r/Guildwars2/comments/2uwtru/using_the_lfg_tool_to_sell_buy_or_trade_items_is/cocjubc

Pathetic things never change do they?

Dub.1273:

LittleLepton.8915:

Dub.1273:

Iris Ng.9845:

In the end, Lilith didn’t deserve to be banned from forum for voicing her opinion, to be honest. #salt4lyfe.

But that’s exactly what isn’t allowed here. O.o

Also being dub isn’t allowed here I hear.

(Have you had any insane blank infractions lately or did they fix their robots?)

You can find my last infraction as attachment, second last was on 29th of april.
That doesn’t stop me from having flood control, though.

LittleLepton.8915:

dlonie.6547:

And the real question — should I still be working on increasing my FotM level, or is it going to get reset with the introduction of masteries? :-(

Noah could use a rainbow on that one.

Yeah I think I do smell a reset in the pack.

Fra..fra…fractal reset?

Atleast you didn’t get banned for simply writing “Wtf” like I did.

I was banned for “trying to circunvent the language filter”.

About Fractals mentioned in the article.

A bored elistist take on things:

Master Fractals: Uncover new depths in the Fractals of the Mists to gain powerful new abilities to overcome difficult fractal challenges, garner greater rewards, and unlock more powerful infusions.

Mentioned in the article: vs What it actually is

• New depths: Fractal levels added 51-60.

• Powerful new abilities: Either useless abilities or mandatory-to-progress abilities reminding us of Agony Checks

• Difficult fractal challenges: Refering to more upscaled mobs having their stats increased due to higher fractal level

• Garner greater rewards: Fractal Weapon Box that was already planned to release a year ago, also increases the drop rate of useless ascended armor geartypes, with an ocasional uninfused ring, obviously

• More powerful infusions: +6 Condition Damage, +6 Power, +6 Vitality, etc.

So I found a guy on reddit that is THE Anti-Ascended Armor dude:

http://www.reddit.com/r/Guildwars2/comments/2uoxyf/to_our_newest_players_and_allies_in_the_fight/cobxl2g

He literally called me a “traitor” and told me to go die, just because I don’t find Ascended armor bad.

What is wrong with these people?

Windsagio.1340:

The intent of the thread is to say ‘hey people would pay for this!’

Anet would be foolish to take any conclusions from it though.

Hell, I want more dungeons too, but these crypto-passive-aggressive posts and threads are ineffective at best

You are delusional if you think Anet takes any conclusions at all from this subforum.

Zaxares.5419:

adding in new enemies with abilities to break the meta running builds etc. It’s just that players kept finding new ways to get around the limitations

This is why GW1 was so fun to play. They updated some areas in order to make them harder, for example Skeletons of Dhuum in Underworld.

An updating and increasingly challenging instance is all we ever wanted for GW2. As you can see, this should be the definition of fractals but it falls short of it.

Dolyak Signet Warrior and Movement Speed Signets for other classes

We can now close this thread

That being said I wouldnt buy single dungeons, but I would consider buying a Dungeon Pack (about 6 dungeons), or having those 6 new dungeons unlockable in-game through specific challenges.

This is just wanting too much.

Guardian of Angels.9867:

I wouldn’t.

I’m already paying for raids / advanced group content trough HoT

Pahahahaha!

So naive.

RemiRome.8495:

Zaxares.5419:

Their core stance since GW1 is that a player should actually DO the content to get the rewards

giggle.

Probably some GW1 casual…

dlonie.6547:

Jerus.4350:

If they made Glint’s lair into a fractal, I wouldn’t complain.

It would be cool, for sure. I’d rather see it as a dungeon without the RNG, though.

They’ve said they’re reworking traits. I hope they’re reworking fractal selection and rewards, too.

It’d be kittening wonderful if we didn’t have to wait for some big hyped up announcement to find out. For the life of me, I don’t know why they can’t just say “We know this is bad, and we’re working on it” in a timely manner and without all of the theatrics.

Everyone would rather see it as a fully fleshed dungeon, but we are realistic with Anet now. That’s why we expect Fractals and not dungeons, less work for them ^^

Wethospu.6437:

Nothing is off the table.

Unfortunately, dungeons are nothing.

Yeah don’t get me wrong, I would love for more dungeons to be released but I just can’t hope on “Nothing” like some of you guys still can after 2 years.

I’ve been hearing that FFXIV gets 3 new challenging and well-designed dungeons every 3 monthes. Problem is that it has a subcription fee…

MissHedgehog.1052:

On the one hand, I’m not optimistic because a new dungeon would have been as huge as a new WvW/PvP map for a lot of players.
On the other hand, they clearly don’t care about PvE other than the story that much, so maybe in their eyes it is just not a major feature. Or it is self evident that with a new set of maps comes a new dungeon. Or they weren’t ready to announce it yet. Or they’re saving the best as a surprise. How nice would that be?
New dragon fight could be new Arah-style dungeon (I sincerely hope so but won’t get my hopes up too much) but it could also be another world boss… Only more details can tell!

They recently said in an interview that all we heard on PAX is all we’re going to get, and that they have a lot of work to do, like defining how many players is the new gamemode Stronghold gonna take (they tested from 5v5 to 10v10).

That kind of info tells me they have a lot of stuff unfinished and that the expansion is gonna take a while.

You think the UI redesign they would have to undertake to introduce raids with more than 5 players wouldnt be content they were excited to mention?

I highly doubt we’re going to see dungeons. He also said this:

“We admit that the content is there and is perfect for a big guild raid, all it takes is just the implementation.”

“Just” the implementation. Long story short: we could, but we didn’t.

I’m grasping for hints of dungeons but everything points in the wrong direction. This is looking less like an expansion and more like a small DLC.

Spoj The Second.7680:

tearing the bark off of heavily armored Mordrem,

See Spoj? That’s exactly what we’re saying… Just a fancy way to hide a gear/tier check. Probably content where the mob takes very little damage if you don’t have that mastery that pierces his armor.

It’s artificial gating like Agony.

I’m imagining the mastery thing like the WvW masteries…. we’re gonna get +10% dmg vs Mordremoth’s minions and -10% dmg taken from Mordremoth’s minions for example

" We release content all the time, but honestly, most of it is not very, very difficult challenges for groups. And when you think about it, I think you’ll realize that’s because it’s hard for us to be able to release content that’s so difficult that most players can’t solve it right away. That’s actually a lot of the genesis of Heart of Thorns: being able to put in these endgame character progression systems so that we can release content in the jungle that requires you to have played all of the jungle to build up the abilities you need to solve that content. If you haven’t played the jungle and you haven’t built up your character, you’re not going to beat that content. We’ve been developing content, but we haven’t been saying that it’s the ultimate group challenge. I think that’s something Guild Wars 2 needs and hasn’t had. Heart of Thorns is laying the groundwork so we really can bring ultimate challenges to the game."

Taken from a recent interview with O’Brien.

This confirms the “challenging group content” is in the jungle aka open-world, and that part of the “challenge” will just be because the players have to make progress within the mastery system to unlock certain stuff.

This “expansion”, from what it looked, could just be called a small DLC. No mention of new dungeons/raids.

As for GvG competitiveness, how will that work out if only people who bought the expansion can play it?

I don’t agree with forcing people to buy something in order to play a new competitive PvP mode. I don’t think that’s a honest strategy and it has never worked well for a game wanting to be competitive.

I’m with Tom on this one.

They tried twice to delete the dungeon/fractal subforum. The last one very recently.

Does deleting the subforum makes sense if they were going to introduce new dungeons or raid content? It doesnt make sense.

They said challenging group content. Group content can easily be World Bosses. Challenging? Well, that’s the exact word they used to describe Living Story achievements.

Brahmincorle.1264:

ESO is going to be B2P in March… they have dungeons….. much better dungeons than GW2. They also have trinity but with active combat like GW2.

I think this game might appeal to us – dungeoneers more.

Didnt that game went B2P because it failed because of the gameplay? Dont know if thats convincing…

That might just be a world boss for the new zone though…

Why is the only way of getting info from Anet through their kitten blogposts? Can’t they talk about stuff normally?