Guild Wars 2

If you are losing to GS+Sw+Wh build – you are bad and this is L2P issue.
If you are cannot catch any other buld except GS+Sw+Wh – you are bad and this is L2P issue.
If you are losing to GS+Sw+Wh build in survival setup (PVT+lemongrass) – you are extremely bad and this is not even L2P issue anymore, just go to PvE.
/thread

NevirSayDie.6235:

Conquest is not about standing in circles, bunkering, spamming aoe, or any of the things that people say it is. It’s about controlling the map by winning fights. The best conquest tactic is to play the game exactly how the OP describes—don’t stand in aoe. Even pure bunkers can’t stand in wells/bombs/etc for more than a few seconds. Those few points aren’t worth losing the fight.

If your team is losing fights, it may appear that the game is about “standing in circles,” as the enemy will still have people standing in circles while your team, alas, has no one standing at all.

But game is still about circles. You can win every single fight, but if your enemy control circles, you WILL lose the match.
Situation when your real goal is not PvP but control over 3 points on map – this is wrong approach to PvP imo.

Soul.5947:

glaphen i don’t understand what you want exactly. Why do you disaprove with my post ? Do you know any other class can do that much damage by pressing 1 button ?

I can go with my ele in full zerk gear and cast buffed Meteor Shower. Up to 10-12k crits from each meteor. AoE crits. Lot of meteors. Huge area. 1 button. Ranged.
Next, plz.
P.S. And yes, you obviously have a L2P issue if you cannot dodge/invul/port from eviscerate, this is almost same thing as dying from 100b.

glaphen.5230:

As I said in the edit the if you have one boon removal skill to remove the stability he goes bye bye. With that build they usually have -98% condition duration and 800-1000 hp per second which is hard to kill but cant kill kitten and will die fast to a group stun locking him after removing stability. I don’t see how the mobility factor matters at all if hes locked in the camp circle and an Engineer can do a similar build with far more survivability for this situation. The group has to be insanely bad to let this happen and that is a fact if they are seriously getting screwed by the obstacles that badly.

800 hps is full regen build with constant regeneration from banner and some healing power. If he’s not dancing around banner, he can’t have 800 hps, it will be something near 500hps. And he is really easy to be slowed down if you have enough +condi duration (hint – koi cake, 1s77c, can do wonders) .

Folie.7980:

can you people even read or think or
k lemme spell this out for you

this isnt just about thieves, i swear mention thieves once and you guys sperg all over the place

warriors can run in, kill a dolyak/solo a camp and there’s absolutely nothing most people can do it about it without speccing specifically to counter it. it’s not even a high-risk high-reward thing because the warrior also has high armor and health

Any remotely competent theif can slice dolyak and vanish before you can even understand what happened. But since you with 6 your friends cannot kill 1 guy standing still and smacking the poor doly for 10+ sec (this is minimum for PVT setup)… yes, I see why it’s a huge problem for you.

Folie.7980:

whoop there we go again missing the actual point of the thread

Actual point of the thread is “Maaaaam, I cannot gank this guy! Maaaam, nerf him plz-plz-plz!”.

rhapsody.3615:

Remember, they want to avoid the “power creep” at all costs! We can’t have those ele’s catching those warriors.

I also remember how those poor, weak eles was able to engage 1vs3 and actually had pretty real chances to win, AND was able to disengage at any moment. That ridiculous OPness of ele as roamer (not just mobility) was a main reason for RTL nerf.
Now plz, show me GS+1H_Sw+Wh warrior killing 3 ppl at once, I really want to see that.

I have to ask – why we still playing in game mode, where passive play (stay on point > all) encouraged more than actual PvP? Why not change this?
Cut point income from control points by 2/3 (or maybe even more). Cut amount of points required to victory from 500 to 350. Make more minor adjustments to equalize victory scenarios.
We need to make victory by kills equally achievable with victory by point ticking, and on some maps – with “big risk – VERY big reward” scenarios (like lord kills on Foefire – 250 points from lord + 10 kills = win).
It will make pure bunkers much less valuable (it’s stupid conception anyway), and greatly cut power of aoe condition spammers. Necro wells, warrior longbow, engi bomb spam – now you will be able to just run out of it and continue fighting.

Melchior.2135:

Shepaski.9302:

ohh these new faces only apply to the total make up kit in the gem store i see

Yup. And since you can’t see how the faces would look with sliders and color changes applied until you’ve already bought the makeover kit, there’s a substantial risk of wasting 350 gems and finding out you don’t like any of the options.

Good job, ANET.

You got makeover kit for free every 5k achievement points. And kit is like 25g, not something really expensive.

hooma.9642:

i also dont said war is op. war or better ham/bow is to strong in teamfights. and the problem is and will be cleansing ire.

Condition spam is total meta now, and you are telling that condition cleansing is a problem? Are you some necro/engi/condi mesmer?

Amir.1570:

1.) LIMIT EVERY class to one stun break. Maybe give more aggressive means to deal with CC. The main reason why sustain is BS is because the abundant amount of “I messed up buttons” such as stun breaks makes focus fire too hard to pull off vs. high sustain.

Lolno, it will broke WvW completely.

2.) Healing Signet passive cut in half, active increased by 150%. Keep the casting time slow for this so-called “risk.”

So it will be ~200 HPS as passive and ~250 as active if used by CD (this is with some healing power, without it it will be even lower). Wow, so useful.

3.) Warrior should not be able to cast zerker stance while CC’d. Same with zero skill no risk garbage such as distortion or guardian blinds while stunned.

Only remotely good idea here.

4.) Delete stun breaks on ALL warrior stances. Stances should be used aggressively in the first place anyways, not an “I messed up” button like the old triple cantrip ele’s who just abused stun breaks vs. focus.

And add them to kick and bolas, amrite? What_is_logic.jpg

5.) Remember when people said Necros and Warriors would get hurt if they nerfed endurance gain/dodge? That wouldn’t be bad now.

Same for thief/engi/mesmer who is overloaded with vigor and/or evade mechanic.

jportell.2197:

So yes warriors can be countered… But the hambow build usually requires a 2v1 to kill the warrior and a 0/0/30/30/x bunker build the warrior needs 3 people to kill him and even then it takes quite a bit of effort…

This thread becomes more and more fatter and greener with every post.

Nicholas S Lin.6187:

Humanity may continue to be relevant in events and story treads of GW2, but they are NOT respected as a race as a military threat, not by the Charr Legions. And a military that is not a treat is undeserving of respect!

A Charr warband would not automatically consider an equivalent human unit to be equally capable – unless said unit has a known reputation. Where-as that human unit – say a company(or platoon) of Ebon Vanguard would automatically respect its Charr equivalent. And that is a clear illustration of my point.

Charr in general don’t care about reputation from past days. They respect someone only if he is able to build his reputation by himself. This is their social standard.

Citizen: Look at those humans. Just a bunch of walking meat.
Citizen(2): What do you have against humans? They’re fighting on our side these days.
Citizen: So? A human got to prove himself, just as anyone else.

‘Citizen: Why do you give the outsiders so much grief?
Citizen(2): They’re weak. I hate weakness.
Citizen: But now they’re insiders. They live here.
Citizen(2): And they have to earn the right to stay, just like the rest of us.

Humanity have whole Cantha, humanity still have Elona (if anet will make expansion with Elona, we can kick Joko out and make Elona normal again), humanity probably have other worlds.
Kryta =/= humanity. And even Kryta is far from bad shape, they don’t have dragon minions nearby, only barbaric tribes of centaurs (and we pretty much crush ’em in GW2 map events) and bandits.

Romek.4201:

ye sure kite a warrior – how long? 30 sec? 40 ? 50? or more than 1 min? to kill him?

10 sec after activation of stances. If you have trouble with 10 sec of disengaging or with fighting against opponent without utility CD-s, then your problem not in class balance.

jportell.2197:

It’s a combination of adrenal health+HS, and if they are traited for it the banner regen It allows warriors to regen for amounts that are on par with most bunker builds….This is without the warrior doing anything at all but their normal rotation.

Except throwing 50 points into bunker lines and sacrifice 1 utility for banner, aka making bunker build. So, bunker build can have high survivability? Wow, thats something new, really.

jimmyimo.2089:

Warriors were redesigned for people that cannot play the game so healing signet is a must (casuals do not have time to learn how to heal).

And now you give us video with your high-skill duels against current metabuilds without using HS.
Oh wait, you can’t. Trolls cannot into proofs.

jportell.2197:

clint.5681:

Which skills are you hitting for 3-4k on a soilders warrior

Earthshaker/Backbreaker/Staggering blow….

Hit or crit?

Obsidian.1328:

Foxx

• Rurik was a minority to seek Krytan help, most Ascalonians didn’t trust them. Why would they, they had been fighting each other for hundreds of years? Did you miss that part?

• It’s delusional to want to die for your country? Eat yer heart out Marines.

• I have no idea what worse things they faced. Oh right…that Searing thing.

For the record, at the time ANet didn’t even have all the information. It was elaborated on later. Also, it was the Prophecies’ authors point of view, not the humans. Other than the Thadeus Lamount bit, is the lore written in 1st-person? Is the gameplay controlled by some human narrator somewhere?

“I want you to remember that no b*stard ever won a war by dying for his country. He won it by making the other poor, dumb b*stard die for his country.”

Mrbig.8019:

Rednik.3809:

Mrbig.8019:

dealing 8 k unavoidable damage.

Stopped reading after that.

it woulb be better if you also stopped posting

Same for you.

Mrbig.8019:

dealing 8 k unavoidable damage.

Stopped reading after that.

Kagamiku.9731:

He said condition OR power; not AND power.

if specced condition or power and can’t do both at the same time

do both

Archaon.6245:

necros and engis are infact another balance problem atm…but at least they go down eventually if specced condition or power and can’t do both at the same time while still running 22+k hp + healing signet

Condition damage+power damage = rampager, aka no defensive stats and no deep defensive lines. Basically glass cannon. So… you are unable to kill glass cannon?

Romek.4201:

bad is we dont have rly jerks here in gw2 making the math and sheats to show the EHP from classes
are somewhere intelligent people for this here ingame?

i would bet EHP for warrior is far above every other class – but we need math for this^^
AND while having highest EHP warrior still do absurd damage

this is the problem

Take warrior, equip mending or surge, go duel inside point circle with someone from current condi meta, and then come back ant tell us how much those EHP helped you.

Archaon.6245:

Who needs evades when you have trollolyoucandonothing-stances?

10 sec per minute, still vulnerable to CC if no stability. Huge immunity, huh.

And ppl are not complaining about those 2 conditions…they’re complaining about huge stacks of conditions on a lower cd than removals ppl may run + direct dmg + big radius

Oh, so we talking about necros and engies?

Cynz.9437:

you can’t per definition burst down bunker engi unless he is really bad and doesn’t know what he is playing

And yet you complaining about longbow, with only 2 conditions (one on 25sec CD), zero evade potential and wind-up requirement in form of adrenaline. Wow.

Cynz.9437:

nice joke

I’m not joking.

Cynz.9437:

my bad, mixed it with impale…

as for going out of point, the issue is, yes i can do it but issue is to get warrior down requires time, sometimes too much time

How fast you can burst down condition bunker engi?

Straegen.2938:

Veils are nice to have but not required. Hammer trains just keep carving out a group causing them to fracture and get whittled down. They won’t surprise anyone without a mesmer, but they usually kill or drive off lessor heavy groups. Elementalist healing is excellent for squishies but isn’t really necessary in properly formed heavy parties. Warrior shouts and guardian heals are more than enough to maintain full health and bring down most mixed groups. Only well skilled and highly coordinated groups should splash in non-heavies if they want to maximize effectiveness.

That’s that lower tiers actually used to believe. Plz, come to T1 and show how your awesome hammer train without mesmers/eles/necros will endure against competent guilds or x2 numerical superiority. “Warrior shouts and guardian heals are more than enough to maintain full health”, this is one of most funny things I ever heard.

Mrbig.8019:

No skill should ever be like combustive shot radius is.

Oh, looks like you are new player, and not know GW2 skills very well. I will be happy to help a beginner!
Here you go:
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Symbol_of_Swiftness + http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Writ_of_Exaltation
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Symbol_of_Wrath + http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Writ_of_Exaltation
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Symbol_of_Protection + http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Writ_of_Exaltation
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Concussion_Bomb + http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Forceful_Explosives
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Big_Ol'_Bomb
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Barrage
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Meteor_Shower
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Flame_Burst + http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Blasting_Staff
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Ice_Spike
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Static_Field_ + http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Blasting_Staff
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Eruption
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Ring_of_Fire
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Frozen_Burst
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Ring_of_Earth
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Earthquake
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Churning_Earth
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Arcane_Wave
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Ring_of_Fire_
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Ice_Storm
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Lightning_Storm_
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Firestorm
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Tornado
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Chaos_Storm
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Life_Transfer
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Unholy_Feast
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Grasping_Dead
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Enfeebling_Blood
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Putrid_Explosion
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Well_of_Corruption
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Well_of_Suffering
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Plague
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Marked_for_Death
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Mark_of_Horror

And remember, our friendly forum community always glad to help and educate new players.
Feel free to ask and have a nice day!

Jamais vu.5284:

Confirmed for never having played a heavy. Take a look at your damage log some time, melee attacks will make up the vast bulk of the damage you take even if we for the sake of your argument discount paintrains.

Confirmed for never playing with balanced setups. Train with good backline of eles and necros can easily wreck pure melee one.

Samhayn.2385:

you forget to mention that your getting CCd by other warriors thou. Really warrior is the most forgiving class to play in wvw I see you have other classes in your sig so I would hope you know this already.

Oh, I can help you to learn little more about CC abilities in WvW.
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Binding_Blade
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Banish
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Ring_of_Warding
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Line_of_Warding
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Shield_of_Absorption
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Sanctuary
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Basilisk_Venom
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Gust
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Static_Field_
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Unsteady_Ground
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Ride_the_Lightning
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Earthquake
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Gale
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Debris_Tornado
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Illusionary_Wave
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Temporal_Curtain
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Magic_Bullet
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Signet_of_Domination
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Doom
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Reaper's_Mark
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Spectral_Grasp
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Spectral_Wall
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Summon_Flesh_Golem
I’m not counting immobilizes, cripples, dazes, chills, and abilities from engies and rangers.
You can thank me later.

Rezzet.3614:

so thats what warrs do nowadays dive in with hammer run back with sword dive back in with hammer rinse and repeat

More like dive, get CC-ed, pop CD to get out, dive, CC-ed, pop CD, dive, CC-ed no more CD, dead, res plz.
And this is in standard bunker spec, if you want to do damage – go from first part of sequence above directly to last one.

snacktime.1082:

If you took out the down state, skill would become much more of a factor in most fights.

Lolno, it will just promote current meta to absolute, go bunker or go to respawn.

90% of good guild commanders are guardians. Too much essential group utility. Also, commander usually run with GS+staff instead of hammer+staff, for pulls.

scerevisiae.1972:

“So instead we decided to force you to play a terribly-balanced and fairly pointless tic-tac-toe-level mini-game that bears no resemblance whatsoever to the rest of the combat before you can win or lose.”

“We also think it’s fun to fight 2 or 3 guys solo, to play so well you actually get all 3 of them into downed state, and if they can hit a deer in time, they can pop back up with 25% of their HP for free!!1111”

DESIGN FAIL.

Hit a deer
sPvP
lolwut

Wait, PvE legendary somehow carried into sPvP? It’s like second amulet gem in terms of stats then.

Jamais vu.5284:

Get a better guardian in your team.

Guardians with no-CD spammable stability are pretty rare. I still have to see one.

Condi bunkers is a cancer of sPvP. Something must be done.

GS have absolutely zero group utility (basically, if you see GS warrior in zerg – he is dead weight and deserves kick) and no damage at all outside of lol-100-blades. 100 blades. In wvw. That a funny joke.

Rezzet.3614:

the only problem with warriors is the ridiculous mobility paired with their heavy CC

Please, tell me how to acquire 3rd weapon set, I wanna have “ridiculous mobility paired with heavy CC” too. Currently, I can have only mobility without damage and CC (GS+Sw+Wh), or much worse mobility (1/2) with some CC (GS+Hammer or Hammer+Sw+Wh).

Our only big zerg was in queue, in same TS with me.

EB. Outmanned AND queue at same time (I just ported out from EB to check report about that in TS).
Dear Anet, can you PLEASE fix your awesome queue system?

ykyk.2740:

I think rams are a cheap mechanic that discourage EFFORT. I mean it’s got the DPS of like a hundred people hitting the gate at the same time, and you can buy one for a few silver! It’s like, I’ve been destroying gates with my autoattacks all my life. I was proud when I finally got it down, like I accomplished something. Now you are telling me you can speed it up a hundred times by paying silver? I no longer have faith in the game.

Second this. Also:
I think toughness and vitality are a cheap mechanic that discourage EFFORT. I mean it’s got the DPS of like a blob of people hitting that PVT train at the same time, and you can buy gear for it for a few gold for permanent use! It’s like, I’ve been running green zerk gear, casting ranged aoe all my life. I was proud when I finally got someone down, like I accomplished something. Now you are telling me you can speed it up a hundred times by equipping PVT and getting into organized melee train? I no longer have faith in the game.

Can you extend electric field little more to the external sides of the platform? I REALLY tired from this autoattacking crowd who scales up golem HP to crazy values, but does next to nothing in terms of damage. I can solo this event literally x5 times faster.

Oxygen.5918:

1) Don’t display player names.

Better solution – default names. Mesmer, Mesmer (1), Necromancer, Guardian, etc.

Thanks for patting braindead roamers and zerglings again,
almost x2 more work for same glory gain (yay, grind is good!) and great reward for “fun” role of point defender.
This is certainly step in right direction.

http://intothemists.com/calc/?build=-s;4RKkN0_4cLVQ0;9;6OTE;418-18B2;06-F7c;1CqNYCqNYc-Fd0-iY90;1vV0X5Y8ZG4L50sVGs0V;60;9;9;9;9;9;34-6S

ronpierce.2760:

In pvp self heals already work just fine in replace of healers. Self heal + anytype of support build keeps people alive.

Lol, looks like you never seen pvp healers in other games. GW2 self-heals and support builds are not even remotely close to them in terms of support power.

Because Ebonhawke is too small to sustain real independent kingdom (without constant help from Kryta, and why Kryta will give them help for free if they are don’t want to be part of Kryta?), and it’s not like High Legions are gonna give them additional territories just for pretty eyes. Where they are planning to expand, into Crystal Desert?