Warrior – 392 HPS with HealSig – automated healing with no bother to press any button whatsoever to sustain (so interrupting the pressure on enemies), giving the max healing output possible in any situations, while being not likely affected by poison because of its heal-over-time nature – …
Lol. If you are under heavy pressure – HS is one of weakest healing options overall in such situation, due to nonexistent burst heal.
Elementalist- 333.33 HPS via Ether Renewal (in actuality this is much lower because of cast time, and the cast time removes a great deal of damage application and defense that the ele could be using instead. It’s also very, very easy to interrupt)
Engineer- 2520+390+2520+650 = 405.33 via Healing Turret (again, though, much lower due to cast times and damage output/defense lost. I was using this in sPvP today and I was horrified by how long the entire combination took for the amount it healed me. I’d much rather take a consistent heal that heals for 100 HPS less than Healing Turret)
Guardian- 151.83 HPS from Shelter (lol)
Mesmer- 278 HPS + 32 HPS per clone via Ether Feast
Necromancer- 209.6 HPS + 28.96 HPS for each condition you have on you on average when you heal via Consume Conditions
Ranger- 242 HPS assuming that you get the maximum amount of regeneration (3s on activation and then another 3s per 2 seconds) via Healing Spring
Thief- 289.6 HPS via Withdraw
Warrior- 327.33 HPS with HealSurge if you have 3 bars of adrenaline each time you use it and 392 HPS with HealSig
And here is another blatant lies. We love to “forgot” some “redundant” facts, aren’t we? Elementalist- 333.33 HPS via Ether Renewal + condi removal on each tick, one of best condi removals in game. Engineer- 2520+390+2520+650 = 405.33 via Healing Turret. Large part of this is AoE. Guardian- 151.83 HPS from Shelter, with anti-burst blocking. Necromancer- 209.6 HPS + 28.96 HPS for each condition you have – best condition cleanse utility in game. Ranger- 242 HPS assuming that you get the maximum amount of regeneration (3s on activation and then another 3s per 2 seconds) via Healing Spring – 10 sec (!) of huge AoE water wield, with ticking condition cleanse. Thief- 289.6 HPS via Withdraw – built-it evade and gap creator. Warrior – *392 HPS with HealSig – additional effects – …
Actually pretty much every decent player tries to change spec/class for the best comp in soloq, and i personally hate soloq (Way more fun going in tqueue pug) but i guess you play with worst ppl in the world if they all go like “nice we’re 4 thieves and no bunkers, let’s go like this even if someone could run something else setting up a decent comp” or maybe it’s just you dunno…
When you start saying things like “everyone” or “noone” think twice before going full bs mode…way better hint than yours
hotjoin? Random stupid troll but whatever. bunker warrior with sword/shield is great for orb running, i don’t even know what your point is because you didn’t make one.
and hotjoin maps? there are people running bunker banner warrior in much higher playing level than you play. http://intothemists.com/guides/1004-banner_bunker_warrior
so how about you inform yourself first before acting like some pvp expert and fail, k? “you so pro.”
Oh, I thought it will be not hard to understand even for for such “pro” player. Hint: SW is not tPvP map and no one bothers about changing specs for single soloQ match.
I love having good rangers in my group. High damage, spotter, frost and stone spirit.
My biggest worry is 90 percent of the time they are poorly specced and played.
This. I see warrior shouts and banners in every run, same with guardian walls/shouts, mesmer feedback, etc. But honestly I can’t remember last time when I’ve seen ranger with spirits+spotter.
I want to ask about all those posts about “nerf HS regen, buff scaling, HS for bunkers”. You know what war bunker is one of weakest pure bunkers in sPvP? It works good only against someone completely unexperienced or if you got coordinated team. No one in sane mind would take average warrior bunker over average guardian bunker. Pure regen is nothing without bunker utility.
Moving HS to bunker won’t help bunker, and it’s heavy nerf for other specs, they are still don’t have any reliable sustain source outside of HS. Mending and stance are jokes, surge is good only for pure glass, kill fast or gg. Usually gg, bunker condi meta says hello. If you open warrior builds, you can see Ire and HS in almost EVERY pvp build, and it’s not because everyone ignores alternatives. There is simply no alternatives.
I actually like skyhammer due to possibility of environment kills, but spirit watch – no, no and no.
Also points from 30% win ratio in solo teamQ > 50% in soloQ > ~100% in hotjoin. Dunno who made this, but I hope that he’s not working on that post anymore.
As said here, asura have 2 clear advantages.
1. Targeting. You running into teamfight, you need to pick up target. Have fun to click on tiniest asura between pets/minions/players/turrets/clones, or waste 1-3 sec on tab targeting. This is significant advantage in team fights.
2. Counterplay. When I fight against norn or charr hammer warrior, I can see and dodge a lot of hammer abilities. When I fight against asura (especially in clutter) – I usually don’t even bother. I really don’t understand how Anet allows to have such advantage (legal!) in the game where you supposed to build your tactic on reading enemy animations.
HS is really good,especially combined on char like warr,which even in high DPS build can have over 20k hp easily and over 3k armor,with strong utils and very mobile anti kitting builds.
I was playing my toughness engie after some time,and it felt like glass canon compared to my high DPS warr.Warr got simply everything what a sane player could ask,and compared to other classes bit more.
Dude, if you can’t outbunker point on engi better than on warrior, then I have some bad news for you.
Well to be fair ele was the fotm for several months. I remember running into some guilds in wvw that would run 15+ dd ele’s. Maybe they did get nerfed a bit hard cus they were so strong I don’t know cus I don’t play one. However I do run into both really bad easy kill ele’s and really strong ele’s. They probably could use some buffs but it just seems like a class that is harder to be really strong with rather than say a faceroll hambow warrior easy mode.
WvW ele is perfectly valuable and vital for guild groups, but if we are talking about sPvP – ele is pretty weak now.
“Fear Me!” — This skill has been changed.
“Fear Me!”
Induce fear in your foes. Allies gain Stability.
400-600 range – Fear: 1 second
200-400 range – Fear: 1.5 seconds
0-200 range – Fear: 2 seconds
Stability: 3 seconds
Radius: 600
Breaks Stun
Cooldown: 60 seconds
This is straight nerf to only reliable skill that can be used on maps like Skyhammer. 3s stability on 1 min cd and still blindable/evadable fear part with 2/3 of previous duration? No, just no.
no illusions die not by smart opp. they die cause they cant hold a breath. longbow f1 makes all attempt to pop illusion useless. and its spammable.
the rest of your argumentation is out of context. zerkerstance is used to prevent condition and as good side effect the warrior gets plenty adrenalin to spam.
circumstances? u realize they are the only circumstance the mesmerheal would heal the full amount.. so its only under very rare! circumstances for short duration?
wet noodles? seems u should hop from your warrior to some other professions if u think the dmg is hard. adrenalin doesnt matter against bunkers? lol
and btw u STUNBREAKERS?
so tell me how u counter the adrenalin gain by hit from cleansing ire and kill the warrior if u are such smart person.
even the adrenalingain ignored a 3 condiremove on a 7-10 second cooldown is to strong. it shuts down every condi-class and with the add. toughness its provides a lot of dmg mitigation against raw power classes, that are only played here and there, cause they sacrifise to much in comparision with a warrior with cleansing ire.
i get the feeling talking to a wall. so i will stop here. have fun qq and cry about healing signet, some hammer traits or what else u think is the reason warrior is overperforming, until u see the source of all is cleansing ire at his current position and current form.
You can stop playing cheese like bunkers and condispammers? Oh wait, you whining about condi cleanse, so you can’t stop it. I’m so sorry, anet must give all condispammers IWIN button already, facerolling is too hard and can damage your face.
1. first i wasnt saying that zerker was/should only used for adrenalin
So you cannot rely zerker this as adrenaline source, because adrenaline is only secondary effect.
2. a mesmer dodging twice + 1 skill for 3 illusions has blown his defense
And wasted 1 min defensive CD is not? What will be ready again faster, 2 dodges and weapon skill or 1 min utility? Btw you still have mesmer utilities/heal/other weapon skills not even touched.
3. even if he has still endurance, the illusion unless want last that long unless specced for it and in 1vs1 and got ignored or no aoe
Circumstances, circumstances. I can say same about ire – hard physical hits, CC, hard CC+condi pressure – oh no, we dying and still cannot get enough adrenaline for proper cleansing.
4. heavy pressure? i hope u realize the war gets 1 adrenalin for every hit, doesnt matter how much dmg they do.
5. considering how tanky a war is atm several hits per seconds doesnt mean heavy pressure.
So everyone around you hitting you with a wet noodles. If you are only considering fights with pure bunkers, then adrenaline doesn’t matter at all.
6. what does mesmer matter if cleansing ire is op?
7. your compare doesnt fit, cause mesmer has no 90% 3 illusions up. where adrenalin is full really fast
So mesmer have smart opponents who know how to deal with illusions, and warrior have stupid ones who don’t have a slightest idea how combination “adrenaline gain – finisher” works. Riiight.
lol… how long it takes do u think for a cleansing ire/ zerker stance using war to get full adrenalin back?
Cleansing Ire adrenaline = you under heavy pressure. Zerker stance adrenaline – lol, good luck with wasting 1 min defensive CD just for adrenaline. Btw, mesmer in most popular builds can just dodge twice and press one weapon button to get 3 illusions up.
As many know I main guardian mesmer and thief…and never even tried engi, and lemme guess…you are wvsw hero? Since i can find you nowhere…
WvW, tPvP, hotjoin, and have every class for every mode (finished leveling thief today so I can try him in wvw too). And when I’m looking at your endless complaining, I think that your experience with different modes and classes is quite limited.
Berserker stance must be buffed with condition wipe on activation and become available for all classes. Condition spammers are worst thing in current meta.
You know, just because they buffed necro to an indecent spam to win level that was not an excuse to buff warriors even more just to counter them…you can’t just look at an op class and then buff someone elso to a more op level in order to counter the already broken one… Necros were (Well…are) broken after dumbfire patch and the only reason why they’re sort of controllable atm is because there are warriors even more braindead around…and meanwhile other classes just got kittend out of meta…we’re warriors vs necros wars 2….bad management is bad…no kitten
Berserker stance must be buffed with condition wipe on activation and become available for all classes. Condition spammers are worst thing in current meta.
If enemy burns important defensive CD, then it’s time to pop some of yours or disengage for few sec, no? Or you want to ignore long enemy cooldowns and just pew-pew because you want to pew-pew?
It makes sense. Want to have advantage of almost non-readable animations? Play asura. Want to have advantage of longer reach with melee weapons – play norn or charr. Current population of minimal size asura characters is ridiculous.
Can we please give Arganthium personal 7% of damage reduction and 19k base hp, so he will finally become crazy godlike OP duel overlord and stop posting in this thread?
What we really should be talking about is the OP ele movement on spirit watch. 600 range RTL every 40 seconds?!?! Who let that one out of internal testing amirite!?
Actually, when SW was out, ele movement skills was absolutely gamebreaking for this map. You can search old topics and read it by yourself. It was fixed later by various mechanic tweaks.
funny fact, if i use inf. arrow on my thief with orb, i lose orb… warrior can use GS spells and zoom across the map w/o losing orb….
not to mention, some classes can run really fast with orb w/o run speed punishment, while other classes get shafted
L2difference between teleport skills and movement skills. Warrior skills are affected by slow effects (never noticed 1/2 travel distance on sword leap and gs rush/WW? Oh, I forgot, you never actually played a warrior) and cannot carry you out of immobilize (without picking traits specially for that), thief SB is literally “lel I can mash this button and port across all map”.
You mean, stealth/clones/multiple sources of invul/wide access to boons/4 sets of weapon skills/pets/second lifebar/teleports/additional evades and so on?
Oh my, I gonna switch off HS and will try to find those skills and weapons in my char tab, thanks!
Edit: can’t find ’em. Probably bug with my UI
ITT: Bad warriors try to justify keeping the highest healing per minute skill in the game on a class with the highest base health and armor.
Stay bad, bros.
Oh, hello Mr.AwesomePlayer! We all happy to see your wise words in this thread!
Can you please show us a little bit of your glorious baggage of awesomeness? Make a warrior with high sustain build without this lowly nobrain Healing Signet, go play against skilled guys in current meta build and put video right here. I’m sure it will be laughable easy for someone with your sky-high skill level.
If you cap a point and someone was already there capping it before you got there you should get -1000000000 rank points and -10000000 glory and all your PvP achievements should be nullified and restarted.
Seriously, how long has the game been out? Why the kitten are people still stacking onto a single point in order to cap it.
Because anet reverted reward system, now you have to get scores to get any decent rank points/glory again.
HS, adrenal health, and regen boon is around 1100hps. I think I can probably bump mine up to 1200hps, not sure if 1300hps is possible though. I dont actually run this build unless the server has trouble holding a keep from a large zerg though.
You can also throw in a 43.5 second aoe aegis every 48 seconds with monk runes if you’re into that lol.
HS, adrenal health and regen from banner is ~907 hps with 1500 healing power. I not even mention how laughable your damage will be with that amount of healing power.
I don’t want Healing Signet to be changed, but if anything needs to be changed at all I feel it is that. It is hugely debatable, and it should be debated Harper. 80% of the warriors I see in every aspect of the game are running Healing Signet and I personally run Healing Signet. All I’m saying is that if there is any issue with the warrior that needs a nerf, it’s Healing Signet, not mobility skills.
And what you can give instead of HS? All other skills are joke in terms of sustain.
Imagine, for some reason (it’s really not important what) Mecca was rendered uninhabitable for a few centuries, and then it was made settle-able again. Would it be fair for the UN to tell Muslims that the city’s ruins were going to be put under international administration and nobody would be able to settle there in order to protect it’s “heritage”, when that heritage is the heritage of the Islamic faith and nobody else cares about said heritage except as a historical curiosity?
But also our alternative Mecca was not only religion center, but also former capital, primary military HQ, storage of unknown amount of WMD and vault of potentially dangerous technologies (texts, artifacts from orrian wizards and Gods themselves). And even more, our theoretical foreign Muslims pretending to be not only new owners of Mecca, but whole Arabian Peninsula.
Telling humans they’re not allowed to (re)found a nation there would be like if, for some reason Athens had needed to be evacuated, the United Nations declared that it was now a historical site that was going to put under UN administration and the Greeks weren’t allowed to live there… when it’s because of the Greeks that it’s a place of significance in the first place. It’s insanity.
No, it’s more like if Greeks went to war with another country, used WMD on their own territory to exterminate everyone including themselves, and then after 250 years Macedonians claimed former Greek land as their own.
The problem is that a hammer warrior can go for Zerker Amulet for full damage, for he gets all the armor he needs from the defense traitline, which is needed for hammer.
Wat. 300 armor from 30 pts in Defense is all armor he need? Or there is a hidden talent helping you to get x2 armor? Show me your secret build.
tell me, oh enlightened one, how a condition ranger should catch a gs only warrior.
As soon as the target is further than 1.2k range away, it’s practically gone. The only chance is turning your back to the opponent, use sword 2, waste stun breaker, select opponent, sword 2 again… And the opponent will just whirl away again.
Because this is not even a duel? He cannot kill you, you cannot kill him. If you are using same logic, then if you run as bunker against bunker and no one can land a kill for 20+ min, you both must go to forum and start screaming “I cannot kill X spec, kitten immortal ANET FIX IN SO BROKEN OP”.
