Guild Wars 2

Set model limit to low, quality to medium and render distance at low with everything else at high and you should be fine. Model limit is the most important setting in WvW. Rendering too many models will cause your GPU to go crazy. Especially since it’s a laptop GPU and has no good cooling system.

I run an older i7 2600k with a GTX 580 and have to use those settings to keep zerg fights playable and not crash my computer. I usually just use the “best performance” setting to make it easier for myself, changing back to auto-detect when I’m in PvE land.

Oh man… I think I need to sit a few hours in the JP for that one unfortunate guy to come along so I can punt him off with my hammer.

Whine some more. It’s entertaining.

You really don’t need more bloodstone dust… The drop rate should be nerfed instead. Same with Empyreal fragments.

Tallis.5607:

So…

Tarnished Coats wins pratically ALL matches against Fort Aspenwood (the current score is like 21-2 or so).

But with thet current scores this week, FA is juming over TC in the ranking, because FA got to play against the 7th & 8th ranked server and wins.

How is that fair? How is it possible that a FA always loses against TC and still can jump over TC in the ranking?

This ranking system is very unfair, it should be impossible that a server jumps over another server when they always lose against that server.

new to WvW?

Rankings don’t mean kitten when you know you’re stronger than them. If FA gains enough score and end up getting matched up in T1, they’ll lose a lot of score again (unless by some weird thing, T2 actually is balanced against T1). It balances itself out.

Junkpile.7439:

Weird rank 15 server have queue, but rank 1 server have outmanned in prime time.

Good servers don’t care about EBG

You can use ctrl + 1/2/3/4 etc. I think

I’ve learned to spread my hand out over my keyboard while mashing wasd at the same time for massive zerg fights in wvw. Except for my elite skill though, that’s just way too far away

I stopped reading after “mercenary guild purchasing”

Lol

if PvP becomes more condi damage based (more than it is already), well, I’d be ok with it if certain classes had access to more conditions. Eles and guardians especially.

I’ve generally had pretty good experiences while roaming. Met some awesome people from both JQ and SoR along the way.

Does seem that whispers needs to be fixed though.

Mighty Assasin.3816:

Blackarps.1974:

Coming from an NA player: Agg, NS, TKG, TW, and Choo. Choo has looked pretty big in size recently but they are still very organized.

Some of these zergs we couldn’t handle with our numbers some nights so we’ve had to tag up.

As for this thread, from T1 (NA).
JQ: Agg
BG: Ons

Was running with OnS the night we had a three way with you guys and Agg. 3 way stand off with troll siege throwing etc. Real fun until TW also came and joined the party. Didn’t get too many bags compared to farming PPT guilds and pug zergs on the open field, but it was kitten fun.

Bloodstealer.5978:

More Strategic???.. you really haven’t played WvW a whole lot for sure.
Strategic WvW passed into the ether a year ago.. today all that is left is Zergwars and PvD. there is nothing more than someone shouting “X” server is at “Y” tower 30+ and a blue tag answering on our way, stack and go…

move to a competitive WvW server

Yep. Agreed 100%. It takes quite a while to recover from, and unless your server has a large PvE population to draw pugs from (combined with a welcoming attitude towards said pugs), your WvW performance takes a huge hit.

Engis can’t regen over 500hp/sec like warriors and guardians do, and that’s not even including their heal skill.

If you’re that tanky though, you’re classified as a heavy and you can follow the heavies. It’s more based on your armour/toughness stat anyways.

If I see an engi with those kind of stats though… you do no damage ._.

Australian players get lower latency on NA servers. That’s why you’ll see more of us there than on the EU servers. This is an extremely important factor in WvW.

azizul.8469:

i thought SoR recently received a guild transferring from CD….?

Bunnies and Dragons [BAD] , a SEA guild formerly known as [TOFU] when they were on CD…

can’t be that bad on SoR right now, right ?

They went to SoR at the wrong time. Also, they’re adjusting to fighting in T1.

Seriously, BAD was pretty bad the first time I went up against them… they tried to portal bomb us and ended up just splitting their zerg and feeding us bags. They were lucky FEAR was there or else it would’ve been a total wipe.

I love not knowing how many we’re up against, whether it be 10 or 80. That sense of anticipation followed by either mild disappointment when you outnumber them 2-1 or an adrenaline rush knowing you’re going to fight outnumbered 2-1 is amazing.

GvG isn’t really a huge thing on NA servers and many guilds play for PPT, which is fine, but that’s not for me. I prefer charging ahead knowing I’ll likely get instagibbed, but fighting on after a rally or warbanner, collecting bags or giving bags away.

jojojoon.8607:

Burl.9567:

Ferris Bewler.9706:

Lol, Stellioz and Omen gaming are in no way a PUG group, They are a great guild and have my vote any day of the week. Silly rabbit Tricks are for Kids!

jojojoon is being sarcastic. Every post in this thread by him is poking fun at the BG koolaid drinkers who have this genuine thought that that they are indeed outnumbered in every time zone and they only win due to sheer will and amazing play.

How dare you say that!!! I take offense to that!!! When we, the BG community, say we are outnumbered across all timezones, it has to be true. Stays may lie but BG never lies. Just check MOS if you don’t believe us.

http://mos.millenium.org/servers/view/33/

Note: Sigh.. I think the owner of the MOS website is on vacation or something. We still can’t get in contact with him yet to fix the website.

Funny, MOS shows that BG dominates during NA.

Get a clue and stop trying so hard.

If you’re looking for something else that can do both range and melee, have a look at Elementalists. While you have to specifically trait for either d/d or staff (meaning a lot of retraits) and unable to switch weapons in combat, you can be a good range or melee class. Skill level required is much higher than both warrior and necro though. Especially with the lowest health pool in the game combined with light armour makes survivability a bit of an issue if you’re not using the right skills at the right time.

morrolan.9608:

Vespirisa.1497:

Does anyone know which server FEAR transferred to?

FA

Reverence.6915:

Guilds traditionally would go to a competitive underdog server (SoR) to have good fights and competition. Instead, SoR is shedding guilds left right and centre.

3 guilds is shedding guilds left right and centre?

2 NA guilds, 1 Oceanic, 1 EU guild in the past 3 months, all of them big name guilds. I’d say so.

When RISE, MERC, TKG et al left BG, we were talked of as shedding guilds too remember? No? Selective memory?

Give bosses a condition type similar to chill that reduces endurance refill speed by 200% and slows movement speed by 33%

Pugs are fine, as long as they are on the same page as the commander. By my experience, pugs won us season 1 of leagues. They continue to win the match ups week after week. BG tries to harness the vast number of pugs we have and form them into a fairly formidable group. Guilds are encouraged to tag up for the pugs to follow on. We spam our teamspeak details in map/team chat to encourage them to join the WvW community. It worked and it continues to work.

Basically, our “off” hours during OCE and EU is comprised by nearly 90% pugs or small guild groups of 10 or less.

Because of all this, we are fairly harsh on people demeaning pugs. We may joke about it, but we welcome them.

Pugmanding is tough as hell though. Been there, done that, will not do again unless there’s no other alternative.

Your choice for both melee and range damage has to be necro. Warriors suck at range AoE, whereas Necro is second only to Elementalists with range AoE bombs, while also being very strong at close range with death shroud and plague form.

Fannwong.3059:

Hello Duke,

From what I know from my friends in your server, BG is still recruiting and has had several small guilds transfer over for WvW in the last 7 days. BG has the widest and deepest coverage now vs JQ and the PPT scores show.

I am not complimenting nor condemning BG, just making known some facts.

Also, besides ZDs in league, BG has outsmarted JQ and SOR by recruiting dozens of small PVX guilds (vs big WvW ones favored by other servers) to ensure a >80% chance of winning in league and after season. Those guilds are still in BG.

Chocpudding has done a tremendous job in the recruitment drive. Kudos.

FW

BG isn’t doing any guild recruiting at the moment. We sure as hell aren’t paying for anyone’s transfer costs either.

Those guilds that come to BG come on their own volition and using their own money.

BG is consistently outnumbered during our OCX time zone when Nocturnal isn’t on WvW. 1 30-40 man zerg (at its peak) is trying to cover all 4 maps during that time zone.

XPK, FEAR, RET, IRON leaving SoR isn’t BG’s fault (or Waha’s, haha). Look to your own community for that.

Guilds traditionally would go to a competitive underdog server (SoR) to have good fights and competition. Instead, SoR is shedding guilds left right and centre.

Fuzzion.2504:

By JQ standards, BG has just spent a small time in tier 1. So welcome BG, dont forget to leave your bags on the way out

I’m sure we’ll both enjoy each other’s bags for a long time to come. JQ is a great opponent to have

geist.3980:

a lot of professions can shred you in a very short amount of time, its how anet wants it apparently. my favorite to watch is the elementalists rain fire while in tornado form and clear walls.

Elementalists who can do that also die when you so much as sneeze on them, whereas warriors built to do those 15k+ killshots can survive a lot of hits. Big difference.

Was fighting in the middle of 25-30 people… Got hit with a killshot doing around 18k damage. That kitten needs to get looked at…

stoat.4257:

When you start playing the same matchups every week being a zerker ele with 15k hp with stacks starts to become a bit of a drag when people start recognizing you.

You’re not going full zerker if you have 15k hp, which is actually a decent amount for an ele (I’m lucky to get over 21k hp with buffs with near full PVT). Just saying :P. Bit of Celestial/Valkyrie mixed in there?

Crimson Magdelana.9024:

Best part about being on a mid tier server, is having motivation to get better and better instead of QQ’ing over population & coverage wins.

All of you elitist nerds portraying some amazing wvw skills due to pure population should try playing on a server outmanned 24/7 and still pulling off a 1st place finish. Then your bragging/complaining may be taken a bit more seriously. Until then…QQ more. Most* rather. Half of you turds don’t even understand the challenge that WvW can be as it’s all been hand fed victories since you installed the game and either chose a t1 server or xferred to it like the rest of the sore losers in gw2.

Stop crying about being bored when you purposely stack matches/servers. Of course you’re going to fight the same people forever, you idiots.

BG (I wasn’t there myself the first time we beat JQ) has been there and done that.

It’s funny that people are complaining about BG being stacked at the moment, when few remember the times when JQ and SoR heavily stacked a single timezone and PVDoor’d their way to victory.

Eh, we can’t have that much of a population when we’re outnumbered on EBG… Screenshot taken mere minutes before I made this post.

edit: resubmitted screenshot because I noticed it had a player name in it.

LoneWolfie.1852:

DivineBeing.2086:

LoneWolfie.1852:

Andddd there, truth about SEA population. Holy moley, so that’s where the population comes from. JQ SEA fielding only that amount of players, no wonder their numbers are just roughly the same when compared to BG and why SEA scores are reflecting that.

SEA scores reflect that because nobody on JQ wants to man up and put up that commander tag to replace Waha.

Don’t blame BG from continuing the fight when JQ wants to call it quits because ONE GUY quits GW2. Blame JQ’s community.

If that’s the case you should tell every single server that hey, you guys should call it quits nobody on “Insert your server name” because no one wants to man up and put up that commander tag.

What a ridiculous post. When IRON’s commander fell sick and couldn’t command, why didn’t you go insult SOR by saying the same exact words above to them?

IRON still came out nightly and fought without Wrex. That’s the difference. Only after, they had to move back to EU to revitalise the guild, which I can kind of understand.

Anyway, in relation to the OP and like I said earlier, don’t come to BG to bandwagon on our success. Been seeing so many of them backseat commanding and talking rubbish in teamspeak. Just… don’t.

Teamspeak is absolutely required for micromanagement in zerg movement across a battlefield. You’re not going to be there typing LEFT RIGHT LEFT FORWARD DOUBLE DODGE STACK EMPOWER WATER FIELDS BLAST in the middle of a fight. It’s stuff like that that wins fights.

Your positioning as a staff ele doesn’t really matter when that glass cannon thief comes around and ganks you from the sidelines (best thief and ranger role in zergs btw, they are so good at that – just find and down the eles at the back). Better able to survive a few hits there, get to the commander for heals and continue fighting than to die from a 15k damage backstab.

jojojoon.8607:

Again, I agree with you. JQ outnumbers BG in SEA by a lot. Like you said, even though many JQ SEA has quit already, I still see their ghost images in the game. When we do an open field push with like 50ish people, I swear that even though there may be 30 JQ, I still see like an extra 50 of those JQs who have quit already. For some reason, even though they quit, they can still play the game. Please teach me JQ SEA players who are not longer playing. How can you guys still play without actually having to log in. If they teach us their secret, we can then transfer all the BG players who have quit already to the game somehow and match JQ’s numbers in SEA.

A rough comparison of SEA time zone guilds/numbers between JQ and BG (since there’s very little EU and OCE to compare):

JQ:
ATM – Still can field 10-15 as can be seen from the screenshot I posted above
Ge – Fields 20-30 on their raid nights. More if their main commander is leading.
FB – Fields 20-30, usually have 5-10 Agg tags with their group as well.
WvW – Fields 40-50 easily – they absorbed a lot of ATM players
Black Lion MERC – Fields 20-30, used to field more, but hey…
ZQC – Fields 40-50, new to GW2 and WvW, but they have numbers and they will get better.

BG:
ND – Fields 30-40, depends on their commander. Dia can pull in a full map zerg just from ND, but he very rarely logs in these days. They usually run 20-30, but for the sake of comparison and averages, going to bump their number up a bit.
WM – Fields 15-25 when they run, which is rare
LP – Fields 20-30 later taking on float team which combines all other players from the other guilds running at that time into a blob of 60-70
TMD – Fields 20-25
RR – Fields 15-20, may field more in the future
XF/Ace – Fields 20-30, they are a mainly PvE guild looking to expand their presence in WvW.

Sorry, but the numbers are very even between JQ and BG at the moment. We’re very pug heavy as well so the numbers at the moment are on BG’s side during SEA time zone. Pugs are hardly dependable as numbers though when fighting against quality guilds like FB and Ge (love fighting you guys btw, always a great time no matter if we win or lose).

Try to pull your head out of your kitten and understand that BG isn’t the overstacked monster everyone seems to think it is.

glaphen.5230:

Good Elementalists should be using zerker staff while bad ones use clerics for barely an increase in support and survivability in zergs.

You die if you get so much as looked at as a zerker staff ele. Really not recommended. Basically a free bag.

I recommend mix PVT and zerker with a focus on PVT. Not clerics. Your water fields aren’t there to heal, but for the blast finisher burst heal from warriors, guardians and thieves’ blasts. You need to be able to survive past the initial push to drop water fields on the commander.

If you’re a roaming d/d or s/d ele, however, you should focus more on zerker than PVT, or maybe even a mix of Dire.

Poxheart.2845:

Reverence.6915:

The only time SoR can claim they are outnumbered is during SEA.

As somebody that plays on SoR, and has had the opportunity to play during a wide variety of time zones, this is 100% fiction.

As someone who’s played all hours of the day, I can tell you that if you think it’s fiction, you might want to browse all your maps.

BG ticks sub 200 most Oceanic evenings (my main playing time). I wonder why. Oh right, it’s cause we have that 30-40 man float team made up completely of pugs (hey! no guild during this time zone) for our borderlands plus Omen running 20-30 if they’re on early, while SoR are running a mix zerg of 40-50~ish (hey! even numbers!) and JQ have multiple groups running around numbering over 80 in total.

Other timezones… Yeah, we dominate SEA. I really don’t know why because JQ runs similar numbers (well, they can run similar numbers, we just don’t see them every night. WvW guild, where are you! I’ve seen you able to nearly queue a map by yourselves!). In EU, SoR and BG run similar numbers, with LUN having roughly the same numbers as HB, with EST players logging on early to support – the difference here is that BG has SEA players staying up late to support as well.

And if you think any T1 server outnumbers another T1 server during NA, well, yeah.. no.

Following is a screenshot of JQ’s SEA on just 1 map. We were outnumbered for a while but we eventually matched them in numbers as we called in friends and guildies.

bluestocking.6148:

MokahTGS.7850:

I don’t understand why people feel that they should be given something that they don’t deserve. 100% Completion is just that…completion. Asking for the WvW parts to be taken out is the same as asking for vista to be taken out.

Here’s my issue with it. It’s not about it being “too hard” for me to complete. It’s not about my not really wanting to do WvW or PvP, although that’s a little of it.

It’s that if myself and other people are just running around in there to get exploration points, we’re dead weight to the people that actually ARE there for the fight. I don’t want to be that person who’s not helping. I don’t want to take the spot of someone who wanted to participate. It’s like if there was an achievement for completing a dungeon without ever attacking anything. Would you want me on your dungeon run if I was just going to stand around picking my nose until you killed everything?

I know, in the grand scheme of WvW, one player or even 10 running around without actually participating probably doesn’t really make much difference. But some of us are … not jerks? I don’t like the idea of taking up a space to not actually do the content as it is designed.

WvW isn’t really PvP as you think it is. The majority of it is “get past that mob of red tags to get to that structure, beat it down and kill the champion mob (hey! PvE! Also, dragonite ore! And lots of it) and stand in the circle”. The only difference is that it isn’t designed to be completed solo. It’s meant to be for your entire server to come together to battle for those structures and keep them.

If you just regear with soldier/knights/cavalier gear for WvW (available in temple NPCs), you’ll make it pretty far. Hell, you might even like it more than “attack this champ with 50 people, move to next waypoint, repeat”.

WvW map completion is ridiculously easy if you play it often. It’s usually just the 1 or 2 keeps in EBG that’s the problem, but with RNG colours, it’s not as much of an issue as before. I just wish it was more randomised. Blackgate has been green since the end of leagues all except 1 week.

(JQ was in garrison and we were defending)

“Hey commander, I think JQ’s in our garrison, I see some tags here”

(after JQ took our garrison)

“Commander, garri got flipped and there’s a JQ zerg inside!”

Yeah… we troll that particular commander so hard

jojojoon.8607:

Reverence.6915:

jojojoon.8607:

Wow, I’ve heard it all. There you have it folks. BG has less people than JQ and SOR. BG needs to recruit and get more people to compete with JQ and SOR. BG needs more people in EU and NA since SOR has way too many people in these time slots. BG also needs more help in OCX and SEA since JQ has lots of people also.

Please come to BG, we really need more people since we are outnumbered in multiple time zones. Heck, it looks like we are outnumbered in ALL time zones..

Did you read the part where I said not to come to BG? No? Typical troll.

You’re asking people not to come to EB. I’m asking people to come help us in other borderlands since we are always outnumbered compared to JQ and SOR in multiple time zones.

Ok, I’m going to copy/paste what I wrote earlier and then put it in bold.

BG does have a more balanced coverage (we’ve never stacked a single time zone unlike JQ[SEA] and SoR[EU]), but we don’t always have a numbers advantage.

That means that BG outnumbers one, but not the other server at any given time other than during NA. It means that there’s never a time zone that we need more people in. It does, however, mean that we are outnumbered when there’s no one tagged up on a map, thanks to our pug heavy population.

Reading comprehension. Learn some.

From Jade Quarry: TKG, FB, Ge
From Sanctum of Rall: HIRE, TW, Choo

Withholding opinions about guilds in my own server. There’s good ones and there are some… less than stellar guilds.

jojojoon.8607:

Wow, I’ve heard it all. There you have it folks. BG has less people than JQ and SOR. BG needs to recruit and get more people to compete with JQ and SOR. BG needs more people in EU and NA since SOR has way too many people in these time slots. BG also needs more help in OCX and SEA since JQ has lots of people also.

Please come to BG, we really need more people since we are outnumbered in multiple time zones. Heck, it looks like we are outnumbered in ALL time zones..

Did you read the part where I said not to come to BG? No? Typical troll.

Eh, we get so much dragonite though. That’s balance, right?

But yeah, seriously, we need a better drop rate of rare/exotics.

dwahvel.7356:

Don’t judge a server that you clearly know nothing about, leave that to the bg trolls.
Anyways im looking foward to SoR dropping to t2 and actually have guilds to gvg against.

There’s plenty of T1 guilds that are in the GvG scene. Agg, OnS, APeX immediately come to mind for NA. Vanguard MERC, TKG, FB come to mind for Oce/SEA.

OnS has GvG’d Choo before, I’m pretty sure they’d like a rematch

Mochann.5298:

Well sorry! Guess you need to clean up after the BG troll then.

But seems you don’t understand the feeling of fighting against hopeless odds. If you’ve been with BG since release, that means you have never seen how its like on other servers at rock bottom, right?

You admit you have a numbers advantage, even if it “that big.” That alone is already a big deal, when you are on a server that can’t even field 50 men on a single map, and are fighting multiple 60 men Zergs, it’s not just a matter of losing some towers and keeps.

I’m sorry if I trivialized your efforts, but at the same time there’s a level of difficulty down here at the bottom that you probably don’t understand. That’s fine through; some day I’d like to transfer over just to see what it’s like, but too invested in my server at the moment to do so.

Thing is, JQ and SoR have the ability to field the same numbers as we do (JQ matching us in SEA and SoR matching us in EU while they both outnumber us during OCE during most of the week, though SoR and BG’s OCE numbers are more similar, JQ definitely has more). You say we have an overwhelming numbers advantage. We don’t. It depends on which commander/guilds are tagged up. Occasionally we get a group of 30-40+= steamrolling a map against 15-20 SoR/JQ. Occasionally we get steamrolled by 50+ JQ/SoR while we have 15-20 on the pin.

To make things clearer. We have 1 Oceanic PvX guild (no dedicated Oceanic WvW guild except MERC, except they don’t tag up and only go looking for fights majority of the time so they don’t really impact PPT. They don’t even run nightly), and 2 EU WvW guilds (one of which doesn’t tag up, one of which is inactive at the moment). The only time SoR can claim they are outnumbered is during SEA. Only time JQ can claim they’re outnumbered is during EU. NA is completely even with SoR having stronger NA guilds. BG is carried by our NA and SEA. That’s been the story since the start of leagues. Propaganda from SoR and JQ just make it seem otherwise.

NA – JQ=BG=SoR
OCE – JQ > BG = SoR (This timezone is really hard to rank, since it’s a weird zone with NA staying up late and SEA logging on early. We really have no Oceanic guild though, but enough pugs to make up for it as long as there’s a pin on the map. That’s why I ranked it that way)
SEA – JQ = BG > SoR (JQ had more numbers, but with Waha quitting, many stopped playing WvW as well. With JQ getting a new influx of Chinese players, however, the balance is tilting back in their favour during this time zone)
EU – SoR = BG > JQ (not strictly EU guilds, but SoR’s LUN is quite a force in this time zone.

BG does have a more balanced coverage (we’ve never stacked a single time zone unlike JQ[SEA] and SoR[EU]), but we don’t always have a numbers advantage.

Finally, please don’t bandwagon to BG. Watching our EBG get overrun with people fighting for stonemist (this is ok if there’s the numbers and organisation), then wasting supply to upgrade it (this isn’t ok) is… painful.

Looks like OP is either a bandwagoner or a PvE’er who doesn’t really mingle with the WvW community.

2 hour queues on EBG? Are you sure you’re on Blackgate? Even during NA prime I rarely get queues outside of reset night. During my play time (Oceanic-SEA), there’s no queues on any map unless all float teams congregate on one map (which only happens if there’s fights). Also, dat outmanned buff on EBG during those hours are OP. Phat loots.

Since you’re an NA player, I’d have to direct you away from T1. Take a look at SoS would be my advice. They could use some more NA players.

Eh, WvW doesn’t take a lot of skill

but running dungeons take even less skill – most of which is just avoiding the insta-gib attack from the NPCs

Pretty sure that if you joined your server’s WvW community, you’d have a much easier time of getting map completion, as well as a much better time in WvW overall, even as a pug.

Just don’t be running gear without toughness/vitality or you’re just a free bag (aka rally bait).

You learn a lot about your class by playing WvW. Traits, utilities, armor builds etc. all become wildly varied in viability. That zerker gear you’ve been running? Works if you vastly outnumber our opponent, but you’ll die if you get sneezed on otherwise.

Also, learning PvP in WvW is a lot more forgiving than in sPvP, as you are using the same gear from PvE. You can learn what to change out to make your build much more efficient (say, 10% less damage, but 30% more survivability). You can also make it easier on yourself by running with your guildies. Bring 20-30 of you along, buy some siege, and have some fun taking down structures. Especially in the extremely low ranked servers, I’ve heard it was quite possible to full cap a borderland map with only a few people, so nearly all your WvW exploration can be done in one night. Structures flip far more regularly in higher tier servers anyway so it’s less of an issue.

So don’t hate on the map completion part of WvW. Embrace it as a learning experience. Learn your class’s abilities better (and why rangers are a running joke in WvW)

They bring more? You bring EVEN MORE!

This is open field PvP, there’s no fairness about it.

After versing quite a few thieves in sPvP, I can tend to manage them as a staff ele in WvW. It’s really not that hard.

There’s a greater variety of builds available in WvW. Though tbh, this normally just means more cheese

Still, you get the occasional non-cheese build that’s really tough to play against and really fun to play against as well.

Also, WvW gives rewards that you can access in PvE unlike in PvP