Guild Wars 2

Those treb placings.
Urgh
Beautiful.

We at NSP would like to see DH second place instead of last.
Make this dream a reality. We will do our best on our side.

Kodiack.2783:

score update. NSP in the lead.

Dude we actually had a queue today.
A QUEUE!

So many fair weather players its stupid.
But also tons of trolls.

Theres some dude who dumps like 4 – 5 fail siege outside of gates. AC’s and trebs etc to burn supply and stop rams being built.

Kind of annoying. So it has good and bad sides.

But DH are fielding just as large a zerg as us. And we are split between AR and the odd DH attack on us.

Sheadong.8217:

Holy kitten NSP where were those numbers last week?!

One of our guilds woke up.

SURPRISE!

irishhaf.1692:

Good lord… to the previous servers we faced… yea you havent seen zerging… :p
Not a complaint jealous we cant match the massed numbers against us at the moment.

:(
We used to enjoy fighting those numbers.

Move to the Northern Shiverpeaks O_o
Bring your friends..

Bring your entire WvW community.

We could be kings O_O

15minutes.
Last minute siege buying guys!

Thought I’d stick this down here so we can have some pre-convo
Lets keep this thread classy guys. The last one was HUGE but it was mildly derailed near the end.

This reset is going to be amazing.
Good luck to everyone this week. No more holidays to contend with
And the first new fight of the year!
Go!

TrueNoodles.3850:

Before we say our goodbyes…

I know your character!
:D

You tried to kill me.
And then the zerg must have rendered behind me.

Ah we chased you down we did

Because I’ve posted enough diff comments.
Attached is our run during this mornings nightshift.

Dhampyr.2104:

Rob.7624:

Preferably NSP and DH will face Kaineng together and break it. DragonBrand had a tough time breaking out of our hold on them when NSP and DH worked together.

This is what I’m looking at.

This made me lawl. Funny that we have never been out of T8 yet and we already have T6 servers hunkering down and begging for help against us. Woo!

Glad it looks like NSP is staying in T6. Congrats!

We thought that against Devonas.
And did we make a mistake on that one!

But I’d be a fool if I made the same mistake twice wouldn’t you agree?
We’re not going to roll out under any false pretense this time.

:D
See you in a week if all goes well.

Kardiamond.6952:

@Rob

Next time you want to play togheter, restrict from calling us cheater.

And yes you took SM twice, but at what price? As we can see, you lost most of your others points just to hold SM.

Trying to take SM over and over prolly did cost you more then anything AR could have done.

I doubt AR really focused on NSP, I only voiced my personal opinion. AR are really random when attacking.

You are really bitter Rob, don’t know what happened to you. Now you are calling us Coward.

Just a game man.

Every Commander I have spoken to has lead me to the conclusion I have stated before. AR are were focusing NSP and that is also evident in the map. I spoke to DR and AR as well as our own Commanders a few days ago. They weren’t considering it as random.

We had the points we needed to stay in the tier. We took SM to prove that we could. Maybe AR does not understand that. But server pride is strong on what remains of NSP. This was a loss in my eyes that we shouldn’t have had to endured.
If you really wish for me to say it I will.

Hats off to Anvil Rock, you tactics have lead to your gaining another win over us. But what what you lost in the process? Was it really worth it?

Reido Kyuuten.4709:

Rob.7624:

Reido Kyuuten.4709:

Rob.7624:

irishhaf.1692:

I have spoken with one of the self proclaimed leaders in an AR guild about seeing their guild tag inside a keep with all doors up to give them a heads up if they didnt know it was going on,his reply was we did it because DR did it… Never said what guild tag so I could say something on my side… just you did it so we did it… now I have been there 4 times where this same guild has been involved with glitching into the keep.
self proclaimed guild leader seemed proud of them glitching inside the keep.

Its a classy lot we get to play against.
Can’t wait till next week.
Get to play AR again
Fun fun

New line up
Green- Darkhaven
Blue- AnvilRock
Red- Northern Shiverpeaks

Turns out Darkhaven are old battle buddies of ours.
Oh they’ll give us an especially hard time because of that.
But we still <3 them
Because we know they’ll gank AR if they try and pull any unfair tricks.

That’s doubtful considering you’re probably looking at the 16hr old matchup site update. GoM will probably increase their lead in t7 all day while we limp through the night and probably don’t show up at all tomorrow like it has been for the past few weeks-month and any other time we’ve lost.

It’s saddening to have to see t7 again after 3 months in t5-6.

tldr: I’ll be shocked if we’re not t7 green (#19) tomorrow night.

From how you speak you are an NSP player.
Maybe we can make some form of wager on where we’ll end up next week.
I know I can make enough difference to that point gain to make us stay in T6.

Looks like I was wrong. I’m pleasantly surprised that we made a decent amount of points to increase the rating lead on GoM from 1 to 9 last night to 13 today.

Praise the gods! But not Kormir. She’s a credit stealing kitten. She stole my godhood ;(

Praise the night crew more like.
We’ve been fighting hard to make up those points.
I did say that we could do it.

Dynnen.6405:

Rob.7624:

Kardiamond.6952:

@Rob

I think we all knew that match up was NSP versus AR, DR was just there for the show.

There were no point in trying to play for the first place for AR, as we didn’t have the man power to destroy DR.

It’s my personal opinion, since I’m not with the alliance, nor did I WvW much during holidays.

Don’t look past Anvil Rock for the next match up, since you guys seems to have lost a bit of population, I think we can have a great fight!

True indeed.
I can’t factor in that population loss for the outcome.
Maybe it will be close.

But I wasn’t made aware that AR had given up before this week had even begun and was just going to focus NSP.
NSP has less population that AR and we managed to take half of DR bl this morning and even SM yesterday. Twice.
So from using that we see that AR could have fought DR and not just picked on us. Does that make a poor server reputation? Yes. Cowardly to simply put it.

NSP has a decent prime time presence and a heavy AM time presence. I’m guessing its from a large Oceanic population. Given that I would assume that you guys would try to maximize that strength by taking and constantly upgrading and building siege in locations you capture to help the prime time people out. However it hasn’t ever seemed that way. Each time I scout the keeps in the afternoon there isn’t much siege and hardly any response to attacks/sneak attacks.
Prime time groups need to work together better imo, because a heavily fortified structure takes awhile to break down. Working to build up fortifications should be the priority of the night crew, and working on maintaining what was captured should be the priority of the prime time. If we had that problem thats what I would suggest.

GL to you guys, we didn’t have too many small group fights vs any NSP but I will say trying to kill that female human commander with Sunrise with my Sunrise in the middle of like 15 of Os was always fun.

Our AM oceanic presence is tiny, they just ball everything up into one group of a reasonable size. Its much smaller than our Primetime crew.
We do work to make sure our Primetime guys have the best chance of keeping out the horde until the next nightshift. But the reason why there isn’t much siege is because we are being constantly wiped.
Ok, so . I get on and we reclaim some stuff. I see AR up north taking back their keep and think. Good. That’ll distract DR and we’ll hit them in their area.
So that is what we do. And then DR show up and start defending. It produces a stalemate which gives AR enough time to reclaim their third.
And then the total genius notion goes through AR’s mind that they should attack the losing server.
So we have to pull of DR to defend our rear against AR. And then DR just waltz back up to AR area and make everything green. And where is NSP now?
Being thumped by DR in our own area because AR has left the map and is now attacking our bl.

Look at it from our point of view. We would have better stuff and things if we had time and manpower to do them.

Kardiamond.6952:

@Rob

I think we all knew that match up was NSP versus AR, DR was just there for the show.

There were no point in trying to play for the first place for AR, as we didn’t have the man power to destroy DR.

It’s my personal opinion, since I’m not with the alliance, nor did I WvW much during holidays.

Don’t look past Anvil Rock for the next match up, since you guys seems to have lost a bit of population, I think we can have a great fight!

True indeed.
I can’t factor in that population loss for the outcome.
Maybe it will be close.

But I wasn’t made aware that AR had given up before this week had even begun and was just going to focus NSP.
NSP has less population that AR and we managed to take half of DR bl this morning and even SM yesterday. Twice.
So from using that we see that AR could have fought DR and not just picked on us. Does that make a poor server reputation? Yes. Cowardly to simply put it.
You’ve taken it upon yourself to secure 2nd place by beating down another server which together could have beaten the winning server.

Kardiamond.6952:

Rob.7624:

Don’t worry guys.
While you were all arguing NSP is now a tier 1 server and Arenanet deemed me King of all the realm.

…<Wakes up>
Oh.. so close.

If I were DR I’d be letting NSP take all my points so that their stay in this tier is secured and beat AR all next week. Since they couldn’t possibly lose or not move up a tier at this point
Because you guys know we will show the <insert previous conversations topic> how playing fairly will beat their tactics of under map walking.
And that secondly hiding in their bl is boring and uncool.

Man Rob,

you used to be so cool, now you accuse the whole server of cheating and you ask DR to help you secure your place.

You even went to anothe rmatch up thread to ask DH to help you after reset!

Come on Rob! :P NSP doesn’t need anyone to fight AR!

You’re right.
NSP could beat AR by itself.
But that is not what I am seeing my friend and you are blind if you cannot see it either.
I do not wish to relive another week of AR playing for second place. In my eyes Darkhaven won’t stand for it and talking to old friends has its own role in WvW.
I’m not getting into the AR exploit issue as it has already been brought to light by two servers. If you want to keep dredging it up save it for next week.

I expect a good match this week and an equally good one when we face Kaineng the week after.
Preferably NSP and DH will face Kaineng together and break it. DragonBrand had a tough time breaking out of our hold on them when NSP and DH worked together.

This is what I’m looking at.

Looks like NSP will be seeing DH again today.
Thats if we can hold on against the huge transfer flomp that is DR and the consistent pickings on that is the AR tactic for coming second.
We’ll give you guys a good game next week. We still remember both of our struggles against DR and I hope you guys haven’t forgotten them either.
We’ve got a score to settle with AR c:
Any assistance with this would be appreciated during this reset.

Don’t worry guys.
While you were all arguing NSP is now a tier 1 server and Arenanet deemed me King of all the realm.

…<Wakes up>
Oh.. so close.

If I were DR I’d be letting NSP take all my points so that their stay in this tier is secured and beat AR all next week. Since they couldn’t possibly lose or not move up a tier at this point
Because you guys know we will show the <insert previous conversations topic> how playing fairly will beat their tactics of under map walking.
And that secondly hiding in their bl is boring and uncool.

Guys if you’ve ever thought of moving server to somewhere which is competitive 24/7 with no queues at all. Please consider Northern Shiverpeaks (Far Shiverpeak’s sister server).
I’m from Ireland and I actually have a better ping on NSP than on FS. So if you want to escape lag, come to us.

But I’m bringing this up, because few people are actually aware of the easy pickings on an American server when you are European. Especially one like NSP which has a very strong Primetime (USA East coast). Meaning that at midday GMT we roll around the map and Karma train, but in a few hours we have heated battles worthy of any high tier server.

So please, again. Consider us, we have some Oceanic players but still less than our competitors. Please visit our site. www.shiverpeaks.com

Reido Kyuuten.4709:

Rob.7624:

irishhaf.1692:

I have spoken with one of the self proclaimed leaders in an AR guild about seeing their guild tag inside a keep with all doors up to give them a heads up if they didnt know it was going on,his reply was we did it because DR did it… Never said what guild tag so I could say something on my side… just you did it so we did it… now I have been there 4 times where this same guild has been involved with glitching into the keep.
self proclaimed guild leader seemed proud of them glitching inside the keep.

Its a classy lot we get to play against.
Can’t wait till next week.
Get to play AR again
Fun fun

New line up
Green- Darkhaven
Blue- AnvilRock
Red- Northern Shiverpeaks

Turns out Darkhaven are old battle buddies of ours.
Oh they’ll give us an especially hard time because of that.
But we still <3 them
Because we know they’ll gank AR if they try and pull any unfair tricks.

That’s doubtful considering you’re probably looking at the 16hr old matchup site update. GoM will probably increase their lead in t7 all day while we limp through the night and probably don’t show up at all tomorrow like it has been for the past few weeks-month and any other time we’ve lost.

It’s saddening to have to see t7 again after 3 months in t5-6.

tldr: I’ll be shocked if we’re not t7 green (#19) tomorrow night.

From how you speak you are an NSP player.
Maybe we can make some form of wager on where we’ll end up next week.
I know I can make enough difference to that point gain to make us stay in T6.

jkctmc.8754:

Rob.7624:

jkctmc.8754:

This is funny, I never knew I could do this. I just learned something today. Did you know that you can see what happens at every tower, keep, and camp regardless of the map you’re on?

Seriously, I can be in Eternal Battlegrounds, laying siege to a camp, and not only know, but SEE the people on a keep in any of the other battlegrounds.

Imagine that? When five people decide to do something secretly, they really can’t because we can see everything.

It’s not like having a zerg outside of a keep, laying siege to it for hours, only to have it flip while that zerg is sitting outside, caught red handed, and embarrassed because they have no deniability at that point.

When our fully upgraded Bay was reset, you sure as hell didn’t allow us to fully upgrade it again, before you came back within an hour to take it back, after we did. You guys got caught red handed, and couldn’t play it off, so you left the map as a show of disgust, when in fact it was probably just a show. Because you came back to take a wooden keep, not long after we took it back.

I have no idea what this post is about.
Can anyone else translate this for me?

Are you trying to tell us that.. You can view all the dots on the map?

Did you just skip over Drednyte’s post? <scratches head>

Wasn’t quoted.
So yes.
<scratches your head too>

irishhaf.1692:

I have spoken with one of the self proclaimed leaders in an AR guild about seeing their guild tag inside a keep with all doors up to give them a heads up if they didnt know it was going on,his reply was we did it because DR did it… Never said what guild tag so I could say something on my side… just you did it so we did it… now I have been there 4 times where this same guild has been involved with glitching into the keep.
self proclaimed guild leader seemed proud of them glitching inside the keep.

Its a classy lot we get to play against.
Can’t wait till next week.
Get to play AR again
Fun fun

New line up
Green- Darkhaven
Blue- AnvilRock
Red- Northern Shiverpeaks

Turns out Darkhaven are old battle buddies of ours.
Oh they’ll give us an especially hard time because of that.
But we still <3 them
Because we know they’ll gank AR if they try and pull any unfair tricks.

jkctmc.8754:

This is funny, I never knew I could do this. I just learned something today. Did you know that you can see what happens at every tower, keep, and camp regardless of the map you’re on?

Seriously, I can be in Eternal Battlegrounds, laying siege to a camp, and not only know, but SEE the people on a keep in any of the other battlegrounds.

Imagine that? When five people decide to do something secretly, they really can’t because we can see everything.

It’s not like having a zerg outside of a keep, laying siege to it for hours, only to have it flip while that zerg is sitting outside, caught red handed, and embarrassed because they have no deniability at that point.

When our fully upgraded Bay was reset, you sure as hell didn’t allow us to fully upgrade it again, before you came back within an hour to take it back, after we did. You guys got caught red handed, and couldn’t play it off, so you left the map as a show of disgust, when in fact it was probably just a show. Because you came back to take a wooden keep, not long after we took it back.

I have no idea what this post is about.
Can anyone else translate this for me?

Are you trying to tell us that.. You can view all the dots on the map?

Drednyte.7601:

Rob.7624:

Dovgan.8605:

@Rob Was SM recently turned over. How is it you assume the thief was glitching? And to what purpose being a thief, would he have in SM solo? I get it though, from this point forward I will also call exploiting on every single thing I see the other servers do with screen shots that don’t really show anything at all because it always must be exploits. Stop falling down to the lowest common denominator and report the player using the in game tools you are provided if you truly feel someone is exploiting game mechanics.

We’ve held SM for an hour or so and have been inside defending it since. There wasn’t a breach of SM when that pic was taken. And probably one of the most extensive mesmer sweeps. Do you really think a thief could hide for on hour inside SM while the entire NSP zerg occupies it? And yes, we have been using all the floors.
It is merely my word against er.. yours I suppose if you want to defend this thief?
What he would have gained is the extent of siege in our Lords room and he was also wiping our siege off the northern inner gate. As AR was attacking it at the time to no avail.

I’ll toss my lot in with you Bird Song…AR seems to be full of failboat Wv3rs who have to resort to cheating to get ahead, although very briefly. Sad fact is those failboats cast dubious shadows on those in AR that are true gamers at heart and are awesome to fight against.

Oh, public apology for calling out [Os] in my post earlier on the AR hack twits, seems there’s an [OS] guild on AR. Sorry for any Os tarnishing it might have caused and hope folks that read that post read this one.

Oh no worries. We all had a good chuckle at it.
Not quite the roaring laughter when someone claimed we used hax to take SM this morning.
I’m sure your post quoted above is going to generate some form of turmoil. AR shouldn’t be denying these claims as both sides are experiencing them but nevertheless they will.
Good luck to you, and see attached image.

Dynnen.6405:

Don’t we all love losing SM in the 6-9 AM time slots?
Dam dat AM raid sched!

Sorry ;_;
But it was calling us.

StormWolf.7645:

Rob.7624:

I think you and I both know that this means more to us than a bl.

This makes me facepalm…+35 points versus +115 points assuming you aren’t holding Camps. Never understood why -anyone- wanted SM…it’s a Target. I would much rather hold the Keep nearest my WP in DRBL along with the Tower and camp there.

Just finished retaking our bl’s from that pesky [TRON] guild.
I thought I’d give you a mention at least.

Commander Aurora. Yes, you were annoying enough for me to call the NSP zerg.
Congrats to you.
But I still protest against AR being too hard to attack in their bl. That shouldn’t be the case for a server with such a huge point lead. Maybe DR are undeserving of the lead if they can’t take AR on in their own bl.
Maybe during Primetime DR achieve it, but during Night and morning shift AR rule their bl untouched everyday.

jkctmc.8754:

@Rob

You can not waypoint into a contested keep, “until” the defense timer ticks down to zero, and then you have a short window of opportunity to waypoint in. We have seen members of an unamed popular guild on Devona’s Rest waypointing in constantly, before the timer ticks away, which also implies those doing it also has the full package of hacks, from a well known website, that also includes so, so much more.

This same guild has been witnessed being stuck in terrain “supposedly”, also putting siege up in invulnerability spots, and this same guild has members who love to utilize the invulnerability spot to dodge in, and out of at the supply camp to the NW, that we’ve all seen.

Instead of dragging it out on the forums, and claiming that the entire server does it, we fraps it, screenshot it, and report it.

It just shows the difference in maturity level. There is no reason to make claims that a server is entirely responsible for the actions of a few. Even if those few are part of a largeer guild in the case of Devona’s Rest.

Now, can we stop muddying up the thread with childish nonsense?

Hmm I wasn’t even aware you could do it with the timer up with third party assistance.
I’ll look out for it. Thanks

Just to keep you guys informed though.
SM is like a working military base atm. Its is quite glorious to see again indeed.
Even though DR are trying to pull us out by taking our bl.

I think you and I both know that this means more to us than a bl.

Godfather.8217:

Drednyte.7601:

Yet again AR hackers at work. Earlier 5-6 PRO ninja’d the hills in AR BL. Just now AR zerged it with 20+. The got through the south gate, but we shut them down at the inner gate. Inner gate at 20% then all of a sudden, 10 AR folks inside the gate. I had some respect for AR up until now. Prominent guilds were involved in that hacking crap. Os, TEO, TCMM, WAR, Reve, and a few others. Its sad when paper walls, paper keep, you outman us by 4-1 odds and you STILL have to cheat to take something.

Well gluck to yas AR, you are by far the most hacking ive seen in GW2. I’ll be informing many friends on other servers that character of your server, ie: there is none. Saddest part of it all, is with all that hacking, you still lost the week and you’re still in the bottom tier groups.

For those very few who arent involved in all the AR hacking, you should consider transfering as AR has a bad rep now and it will only get worse as the hacking seems to have increased since its obvious the prominent guilds condone such actions.

Gluck AR…we came, we saw what you had…found it lacking. We won, we move up.

NSP…although im sad to see you guys moving down a tier, I am glad to see you guys are moving away from the AR failboats. You have my respect for your players and your server as I saw honorable fighting from you for 2 weeks DR was fighting you. Hats off to you NSP!

AR — joke of a server

Ya know what’s a joke, DR.

1st. – You guys post pics, and videos of yourselves like your some great players. Just have fun, keep it humble, but you don’t, you stroke your ego’s on like your experts. Let me give you all a clue, your not. What your all doing these past two weeks, and before has been done before. Nothing new.

2nd – 1st thread of the week, accused DR of using exploits, so we created this new one which lasted longer, and you guys think your hands aren’t dirty? You all make me laugh.

3rd – The same technique that these guys used to get inside the inner keep, which we have a waypoint in btw, was the same trick you guys used when we almost had your garrison, I would know I was the guy standing next to your waypoint fighting as I saw a bunch of PRO, and other players waypoint in a contested keep. So before you go accusing other servers of exploits and hacks, why don’t you hunt down your own. Or maybe i’ll just give the same advice your server seems to keep projecting. “learn to play.”

4th – NSP hasn’t exactly been angels either, infact NSP groups exploited into our Keep on hills at least twice since SOS has owned it, we actually used our trebs on our walls to destroy the inner keep and when we walked in, we saw an NSP invader by himself, guardian from the skills he had fighting us. This is why SOS doesn’t bother with hills anymore and quit playing defensive.

Waypoint into a contested keep isn’t an exploit..
..because at that instant it is not contested..

..meaning that its just a waypoint..

..Using a waypoint is not an exploit..

..Its just playing GW2..

As for what NSP is guilty of. Its rare in my eyes when NSP exploits or uses spies etc etc. The majority of our server can’t even be bothered to run supply when asked. Wouldn’t say its a large majority that has the motivation to bother with risking it.

Morningstar.6208:

You got SM? Time for me to get back into game.

You took it back?
Time for me to counter your counter take back.

Bird Song’ed

Score update is attached.

Kodiack.2783:

Rob.7624:

Your long game and short game are the wrong way around fellow.
If you don’t have the numbers you play the short game.
Grind down the big guy which creates the numbers to produce a long game after the short game is complete.

But I can see some childish, “Oh look at me and how awesome my server is” creeping in here.
Please shut that out, its uncalled for.
Your strategy was to admit 2nd place and find a patsy to come third.
We will see, WvW is a long term game. We’ll be back.

um what? did you not read your own post on how you were talking down to AR commanders and how they should learn a better wv3 Strat.

and did you just call your server a patsy?

-K

I was saddened by AR Commanders lack of aggression to gain first place. I wasn’t talking down to them on that occasion.

And yes. Was that not obvious.
Are you trying to say from what has been witnessed it isn’t?
NSP has proven it is a better server than AR. It has changed but not enough that we still wouldn’t be close behind or better than AR still.

The idea of a patsy is that someone has to lose. And since AR are showing little ambition they have decided to play on the defensive, settle for second place and kick down NSP, it is what it is.
When the mountain that is DR is removed from the scenario we will see.

Dynnen.6405:

LOL, come on Rob.7264. First thing said on the other forum was “Watch out! Os bring it!” Talk about ego boost post.

My quote: Just pick out the ego boost post. Everyone is guilty of them at some point

Please read the entire post.
I know it is asking for much, but would you read half a book, then just guess the ending and tell others of what you’ve guessed as fact?

I don’t think those are my words you’ve quoted and I also don’t really care to find out.
Stop taking everything as incentive to have an argument or to bash.

Pedra.4381:

I’ve been in WvW a lot over the last couple of months though I don’t post in this forum. After reading through this post though I have to say that apparently I’ve been absent when the DR guilds were running around doing their “superman” thing (five destroying 20, etc). There have been some good fights and we’ve lost some and won some but I’ve yet to run up against any 5 man that has made me say, “Ouch, I need to avoid those super heros”.

I suspect I’ve only been on when they were all incognito in their Clark Kent disguise. That would certainly explain it.

I enjoyed reading that
You have to remember that the vast majority of the stuff thats said on these forums is rubbish.
Just pick out the ego boost post. Everyone is guilty of them at some point

Kodiack.2783:

Oozo.7856:

dagne.8542:

should of relabled this post as AR and DR vs NSP. I’ve yet to see DR push AR at all really. They wiped them maybe once the whole two weeks we’ve had this match up?

Maybe some of the people who are more familiar with the system can comment on this one. Does DR benefit more by having a bigger point spread versus NSP than against AR since NSP was the green server at one time. I think your rating also depends on past performance of the servers you are facing.

If so, it would make sense for DR to go after NSP more than AR. Correct me if I’m wrong (which I may very well be).

Current ratings.

DR -1329
NSP-1262
AR-1226

If your playing for rating points:

Long game:
DR should focus on beating NSP and AR
NSP should focus on beating DR if not possible, beat AR.
AR should focus on beating NSP

Short game:
DR should focus on beating NSP and AR
NSP should focus on beating DR
AR should focus on beating DR

Play the short game if you have the numbers to dominate both realms. Play the long game if you don’t.

@Rob

Next week NSP is slated to drop to 19th, 3 spots down from 16th when we started. ARs long game trumped your short game strategy.

-K

Your long game and short game are the wrong way around fellow.
If you don’t have the numbers you play the short game.
Grind down the big guy which creates the numbers to produce a long game after the short game is complete.

But I can see some childish, “Oh look at me and how awesome my server is” creeping in here.
Please shut that out, its uncalled for.
Your strategy was to admit 2nd place and find a patsy to come third.
We will see, WvW is a long term game. We’ll be back.

TrueNoodles.3850:

Was a guardian the light armor is me… rangers are medium…
I saw him use guardian skills and he had a light blue armor

Unless you’ve changed your settings all NSP will be dark/light blue.

Don’t know him, probably never met him.
Os is a big guild and even though I’ve been in it for months I don’t know half the people due to timezones.

International guild is international

jkctmc.8754:

StormWolf.7645:

Junkhaus.4301:

Last week’s match, just after reset, someone from AR proposed a server alliance with NSP against DR. It was on the first page of last week’s wvw thread. Anyone else remember that or am I making this up?

Totally making it up. :p But nah, I remember it too. DR seemed to be up for the challenge judging by their responses to the suggestion!

Then NSP hit AR reset night, changing the plans.

I.. Believe the genius behind that plan is no longer on the Northern Shiverpeaks server.

I.. Believe the genius behind that plan is no longer on the Northern Shiverpeaks server.By I believe I mean I’m pretty much 100% certain.
A week changes a lot.

TrueNoodles.3850:

Guess who?
Hint: Guardian from OS

I’m a Guardian from Os..

But that isn’t my armour, looks light armour to me. Maybe a ranger.
And its also 5pm server time.
About 3am for me.
:D
Never on at that time.

Oozo.7856:

dagne.8542:

should of relabled this post as AR and DR vs NSP. I’ve yet to see DR push AR at all really. They wiped them maybe once the whole two weeks we’ve had this match up?

Maybe some of the people who are more familiar with the system can comment on this one. Does DR benefit more by having a bigger point spread versus NSP than against AR since NSP was the green server at one time. I think your rating also depends on past performance of the servers you are facing.

If so, it would make sense for DR to go after NSP more than AR. Correct me if I’m wrong (which I may very well be).

DR should be fighting both servers at the same time, and both servers should be looking up at first place and thinking, “you know, we could probably take that”. I know that NSP is willing to sacrifice its own borderland to Anvil Rock just to hit DR in the face. You guys know it too, I’ve seen plenty of it here on the forums.

But unfortunately what AR are thinking is, “You know, lets just come second”.
And that is the simple truth of it. A leading server this size with this numbers really does need a double team to take it out, and after that double time is over. Whichever server has contributed most to the team has the most end points. Hence it was superior, and the other helping server should sit back and say, “well fought lad. We sure showed those other guys what we can do.”

Its a real shame that this has not crossed Anvil Rocks Commanders minds. As with NSP’s population on the decline they could have probably snapped up first place and us a close second.
Now DR here might say, “Oh no no no, don’t do that. Go on AR, attack NSP borderland again. Go on, we will leave yours alone and just take EB and our own bl meaning we have nearly triple your points. I mean er.. Shush”.

Its just disappointing that there was a lack of communication between AR and NSP. Whether that was due with our initial beating AR and GoM I don’t know.
But it is saddening to see.
Maybe after reading this Anvil Rock may learn this tactic for their next match. Or even if Kaineng beat us in the tier below. Maybe they will learn it then.

It’ll happen at some point or AR will be stuck in this tier/the tier below for the foreseeable future.

I know this may be mildly off and yet on topic.
But would anyone else like to see the entire PvE map turned into WvW?
Where the PvE content is cut for like a week of just pure awesome sauce, and that like.. The Black Citadel is where say.. Devonas Rest server spawns from and they are all force spawned with Char skins and the Grove was another servers spawn.
Removing some other way points and Asuran gates from the map?
Where you had to ACTUALLY run a huge distance and roaming bandit groups could ambush you?
I mean, when I first heard of World vs World this is kind of what I thought it would be.

I just thought I’d bring this idea up again to stop the fighting in this thread.
Let us all imagine how much better this would be if this idea was true.

Kashijikito.1864:

Shoutout to all the guys from DR who showed up to Fight club! I forgot your guild tags :l

Please watch below video.

dunnberry.2964:

To all the DR folks saying that a lot of our guilds are doing PVE, a few are but no actually a lot of our guilds have left in the last few months including one of our bigger ones in last week or 2…hopefully we will get a large influx after wintersfay is over for next weeks match though because the last 2 weeks have been incredibly demoralizing…also agree with everything sober rob has said haha

Sober now after a dodgy cheap burger I found at the back of the fridge.
(Just keeping you guys informed as this is very important information)

I agree with what you’ve said about needing new guilds and that is what I’m splitting the rest of this week into.
Searching out guilds looking for a new community, Poking the vast amount of PvE players in the eye to WvW and also running commander training sessions all week.

Feel free to assist me in this cause

Godfather.8217:

Rob.7624:

Godfather.8217:

NSP,

What the hell are u guys doing, lol.

DR has owned your borderlands several times, and instead of getting payback, you guys rush into AR. I know your playing for points, but have some common sense. At this point, points don’t matter. I haven’t lead a strike on NSP since DR has arrived because I know who the real threat is, AR has been protecting their own lands. If you guys seriously have the force to do something, do it, but think about it. Instead of AR hitting DR right now as i speak, we have to sit here and defend against NSP. You guys don’t even own everything on your map right now. Why don’t you guys focus on that? Are u guys afraid of DR? Because it’s starting to seem like it.

Thats pretty rich coming from AR. Are you unaware that your borderland have been left untouched by DR while we are constantly attacked by both? (Untouched at the time this post was written)
I mean, your borderlands are just sitting there and you are shocked that someone has the audacity to attack? Maybe even surprised?

So to answer your question. What we are exactly doing is playing WvWvW. Where we actually attack both servers instead of just one.

This message has been brought to you by five pints of Guinness. With love. Arthur Guinness.

Even richer coming from you Rob,

Maybe it’s only when i log on, but I always seem to see your area green.., maybe now and then, a supply camp red, probably camp raiding…, DR hits us all the time, they’ve tried their hardest to take bay from us on multiple occasions, and this morning, I wanted to hit DR, but guess what we ended up doing instead, defending against NSP who didn’t even own their own borderlands for godsake. Just admit to it Rob NSP is scared of DR, actually never mind, you don’t need to say it, your actions already has.

I enjoy this.
Ok.
So you are saying. The entire few thousand people of the NSP server is ‘afraid’ of another server. Which is completely dominating us and nearly stomping us around the clock and has been for the past two weeks.
But you know my fine fellow. I would agree with you, if you hadn’t made a slight trolling mistake.
One does not simply.. ..Be afraid of a game

When another player jumps out of stealth and triple hits me for 15k. I don’t jump out of my chair and cower in fear at his shock and awe.
I literally make this face :| and respawn.

Here are some pictures I would like to you view.
Attached.

This thread is being derailed in a sense and both parties are both to blame.
But your choice of words are bad and you should feel bad.

P.S.
Don’t know how it is richer coming from me. Are you saying that DR has hit you harder than it has hit NSP? Are you saying that when it was GoM vs AR vs NSP that we didn’t win? Are you saying that AR is now far superior than NSP and that we never had a chance anyway?
Think upon this.

MrHaze.3690:

Rob.7624:

Thats pretty rich coming from AR. Are you unaware that your borderland have been left untouched by DR while we are constantly attacked by both? (Untouched at the time this post was written)

…

Do you have any idea how many DR Siegerazers we kill a day? They attack us, they just rarely beat out our border patrols.

Also look a few posts up for a screenshot, yes, our borderlands is untouched indeed.

Are you referring to this?
https://dviw3bl0enbyw.cloudfront.net/uploads/forum_attachment/file/34707/gw107.jpg

Oh dear, a single siegerazer with no DR insight.
Please, tell me how you’re having it so rough.

Godfather.8217:

NSP,

What the hell are u guys doing, lol.

DR has owned your borderlands several times, and instead of getting payback, you guys rush into AR. I know your playing for points, but have some common sense. At this point, points don’t matter. I haven’t lead a strike on NSP since DR has arrived because I know who the real threat is, AR has been protecting their own lands. If you guys seriously have the force to do something, do it, but think about it. Instead of AR hitting DR right now as i speak, we have to sit here and defend against NSP. You guys don’t even own everything on your map right now. Why don’t you guys focus on that? Are u guys afraid of DR? Because it’s starting to seem like it.

Thats pretty rich coming from AR. Are you unaware that your borderland have been left untouched by DR while we are constantly attacked by both? (Untouched at the time this post was written)
I mean, your borderlands are just sitting there and you are shocked that someone has the audacity to attack? Maybe even surprised?

So to answer your question. What we are exactly doing is playing WvWvW. Where we actually attack both servers instead of just one.

This message has been brought to you by five pints of Guinness. With love. Arthur Guinness.

NotOneToRidicule.2340:

Rob.7624:

Match up for next week..

Tier 5
DragonBrand or Maguuma
Borlispass
Devonas rest

Tier 6
Darkhaven
Gates of Madness
AnvilRock

Tier 7
Kaineng
Northern Shiverpeaks
? Mystery ? (Could be Henge or Sorrows its close)

Match up notes:
Borlis pass no longer has a good enough presence in my eyes and will be easily crushed against Maguuma leaving easy points for Mags night crew which will make DR easily outmanned. DR will face a true test next week. Which will most likely in a couple of weeks break apart all the new server transfer guilds into nothing. (Evidence is Borlis pass)

Anvil Rock will put up a good fight against Darkhavens dying server, they will lose though. Gates won’t pose much of a threat.

NSP and Kain will fight head to head with little bother from Henge. Kain will start off strong but will lose to NSP’s weekday night crew and strong Primetime presence.

I just realized after reading your post that more commentary like this would be a good thing for each matchup. I’d like to see someone (prob from Arenanet) do a synopsis like this for each matchup and include things each server does that is good and bad. Including things like strategies and tactics that work well (or don’t), server strengths and weaknesses, opportunities and obstacles. You know, something akin to the NFL pre-game shows on Sunday mornings in the U.S. This would be good for the progression of WvW.

What does everyone else think?

I wrote that drunk at 4am so er.. HAPPY NEW YEAR! I’m not sure how tactically correct it is, it looks sort of like truth but there are a few more finer points that could turn each fight around that I didn’t even mention. We’ll all find out soon enough.

It would depend though honestly on who wrote it, I’m pretty informed with the internal and external affairs of my own and different servers which means I have a little insight. But it would take an unbias WvW regular on each server to pool guild growth, movements and player influx to give an accurate reading of a match-up.
And giving out such information could be hazardous in the wrong hands. Because like American football its all about plays, once those plays are known they can be easily countered.

All Commanders worth their salt do this and will recognise when different Commanders enter the map. For instance, and this is only an example. I have noticed that Anvil Rock is a server that will use siege exploits in their spawn to gain an advantage. Whether thats a catapult used to take Langors when they are Blue or a treb to retake their keep when they are red (or even in some cases going under the map in a borderland). I’m sure others among the server community have noticed this and can confirm my observation.

Another observation will be that DR will not attack the AR bl. As long as AR do not attack anything that is DR. Now thats merely tactics you say, in its milder form. But not in the extreme sense, that it almost looks like the AR zerg is allergic to DR.

If there is some form of agreement of alliance between the leading WvW Guild Commanders I’m not aware. But in my opinion, when a server starts spawn camping you it generates a little bit of contempt against the aggressive server.
Which will lead to a build up which eventually overflows and stomps the aggressor, like pressure inside a can of Coke once shaken. And this can only be averted by a Commanding figure pushing attention elsewhere (towards NSP). Too much of a coincidence that it hasn’t occurred several nights in a row.

And if that is indeed happening, AR players will notice it as their Commander drags them all the way across the map to attack NSP .

omnislakitten106:

score update!! Kaineng needs to move up! x]

Just kitten

Congratulations for getting out of tier 8 guys. I just hope Kaineng hasn’t become one big transfer server similar to Devonas Rest.
After months of being outmanned against those types of servers it has become mildly exhausting but I can also see that you’ve won this week with little competition. Which is even more boring than losing.
With any luck you guys will go straight to Green Keep and we will go to Blue, too far away yet to be certain.

It will be a good match. NSP does not have population but we do have skill.
See you in Eternal.

Cacumen Ad Gloria,
Glory to the Peaks.

WrathOfGod.4695:

here is my vid for the past few days in WvW, unfortunately I did miss a lot of great fights and try my best to catch them all. GJ to AR + NSP so far this week, it’s been rough.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oFIhI-iwUw0

I do indeed recognise you.
Keep up the good fighting

Match up for next week..

Tier 5
DragonBrand or Maguuma
Borlispass
Devonas rest

Tier 6
Darkhaven
Gates of Madness
AnvilRock

Tier 7
Kaineng
Northern Shiverpeaks
? Mystery ? (Could be Henge or Sorrows its close)

Match up notes:
Borlis pass no longer has a good enough presence in my eyes and will be easily crushed against Maguuma leaving easy points for Mags night crew which will make DR easily outmanned. DR will face a true test next week. Which will most likely in a couple of weeks break apart all the new server transfer guilds into nothing. (Evidence is Borlis pass)

Anvil Rock will put up a good fight against Darkhavens dying server, they will lose though. Gates won’t pose much of a threat.

NSP and Kain will fight head to head with little bother from Henge. Kain will start off strong but will lose to NSP’s weekday night crew and strong Primetime presence.

Morningstar.6208:

Well I killed you in middle of 30 NSP solo and finished you off when you guys were waiting next to langor but you didnt even understand what hit you.

Hmm.
It was 20 and I see pugs and guildies in that vid if you look at the minimap you can see quite a lot of DR players, possibly more than NSP since we were cut off (it being your reinforced keep). Its good that there is evidence of the real battle in this video which appears to cut out the actual fighting (lol you are on 325hp too close for pride).

P.S. Just watched the video again paying attention to my HP bar, Your character didn’t down me on the kill down, it was a warrior in your party which put me back down again when you kited away at 320hp. Sorry dude, you may have staked but that doesn’t count as kill credit. I know my points aren’t assists. So it goes back down to Bird 7 – 6 Morning

My Full Tank Guardian is nearly a full bunker except its tweaked for a Gs so anyone who sPvP’s knows how long this build can hold out for.
I’m not saying you are totally wrong. But I don’t think you could spare a minute inside an NSP zerg to solo me, you can’t 1 shot, 2 shot, 3 shot or 4 shot that amount of toughness and all block unless all the heals are on CD from a previous attack. And even then, just using my Elite for 5 sec invul and 2k heal + block that comes with it is enough to stop a thief after its initial skill burn.
Just saying, that thats pretty unlikely to have solo’d me inside a zerg as you said.
This builds weakness is ranger kite, not burst DPS.

Theres only a few days left of this fight. We’ll 1vs1 at some point.
Straight up fight me full melee and then swap and fight me as a kite build.
One is total wipe and the other is untouchable.

I do this out of enjoyment, not out of petty rivalry. I’ve gotten over all this “oh yes they are the enemy and I hate them” nonsense months ago that I suspect, maybe, by the way you’ve worded you posts you may still hold on to. No offence intended.

You will most certainly need to work with guilds on other servers if you are to continue this progression up which from todays score you will next week.
Politics plays a role in WvW as it does in reality. A single server cannot fight off two servers at once, once you pass the tier 6 threshold.
Good advice, please use it.
And I wish you guys luck for the future.

It has been.. an amusing two weeks. And though I know it is only Tuesday here, I can see little point in further WvW this week.
It is about time we fought less transfer servers a more dying ones like ourselves

Cacumen Ad Gloria,
Glory to the Peaks.

Morningstar.6208:

Rob.7624:

Morningstar.6208:

Rob.7624:

Morningstar.6208:

Rob.7624:

Oh and attached.
Can’t decided if this is the same Thief Commander from AoD or another.
But anyhow.

We will continue this killfest this week too.

Bird Song 1 – 0 You

I can sign it for you if you want what was your name agian?

NSP zerg vs the DR zerg
While we Commander de Commander in the midst?

Us night crew lads play a different game from these posh Prime time boys.
I’ll see you out there tomorrow morning.
Glass thief vs Pure Tank Guardian
Est le Grande Adventúrious!

Here I signed it for you. I am not glass cannon btw.

:D
Its not you it seems.
Must be one of your Commanders.
Heres another SS link
https://dviw3bl0enbyw.cloudfront.net/uploads/forum_attachment/file/34484/gw296.jpg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uGF5co7HUGc

Here is a video of you sweeping the floor.

I make the score 7 – 7 atm
Can’t believe you made a video of that and not of the one where we down each other and were just mud slinging. I was lol’ing when you waved though. Such a kite thief, I had to push through everything chasing you. Actually, thats not even true. It was those AC’s on the walls that took most of my HP. Should show rest of recording.

I’d like to point out that NSP res’d me and we took the keep after wiping DR and AR out of the Lords room, so its all good.

Dhampyr.2104:

Karg.2381:

Happy new year devona, nsp and ar. And you kain lurkers ( u know ur here)

Happy New Year’s, guys! Yeah, us Kain lurkers are still watching and interested in seeing how you’re doing. Glad that T6 is working well for you – and looking forward to seeing how you do in T5, probably next week!

Looks like T7 is going to be all sorts of whacky – with GoM moving back up to T6 and maybe NSP moving down to T7, seems that things are going to be interesting for us in T7 too. Really looking forward to the matchup!

100% Chance Devonas will be in T5 next week since it has been a roflstomp and likely you will see us in T7 since DH may be falling down due to their breakup.

Prepare yourself.
Bird Song is coming.