Guild Wars 2

When you see a thief coming, make an offhanded comment about how Thieves have never been nerfed. When you see them begin to launch into a diatribe about how Thieves have been the single most nerfed class in the game, albiet all games ever, and how in need of buffs they are, interrupt them with an old, standard Thief response of “L2P”. Then, while stunned, burst them.

Don’t bother stomping the downed, just DPS it while running and jumping around in circles.

bhagwad.4281:

Matty.1953:

To willfully neglect all of your profession mechanics means you’re relying on weapon and utility skills alone. Setting aside the implications of this in terms of survivability, this means all your damage comes from weapon skills — your damage is seriously telegraphed. There’s no way you’re killing a skilled player with that, I’m sorry.

Well to be fair, damage is supposed to be telegraphed in some way or the other. And it’s not as if shatters are not telegraphed. In fact, mesmer players are constantly telling other players to “learn2dodge” etc etc right?

Yeah, exactly. Just like backstab.

In fact Thieves have been telling players to learn2dodge for YEARS.

messiah.1908:

Ross Biddle.2367:

messiah.1908:

with ele its really depends as on paper you should kill them or make them off point
the problem it will take you some time so they might get help and outnumber you
on team fight i just make them flee off points for few sec while they wasted their cleanse

Eh, with two people focusing an ele all it takes is one DPS mes to be Lockdown and the mes will be gone in seconds. A single rupt Mes can do it but a good ele is likely to get by with fractions of health left followed by clutch heals, thus luck becomes a high factor. That’s why the second player is there, it removes the luck factor along with those fractions of HP.

Easy.

and the other ele and guard gonna help him ….

this is why i like the tactic of 2v1 , 2v1 meaning with 4v4 on mid 2 allies targeting 1 enemy and my other 2 target another one . after we see one of them used his heal, utilities 3 of us bursting him and the 4rt continue to pressure the other one. if they ress him 4 focus on my target and he will be down.
but smart ele tend to ly away with teleport out of the battle heal and come back thus if 3 of us leave the point they can capture it

The beauty of lockdown comes into play most when someone goes down. You can shut out just about all res/save attempts.

Adjust.6903:

What build is that sniper one…? Tbh I don’t find Mesmer fun at all so I deleted it and made a necro, which is more enjoyable. I only liked vs/staff on Mesmer wasn’t a fan of sword build… Do love my warrior the most, in pve also I enjoy it and in wvw. It’s very versatile imo. Mesmer I find I play the same build almost across the board. Ele varies very slightly but not by much. Engi is tweaked a little here and there and my necro is almost the same

Here’s what I run
http://gw2skills.net/editor/?vJAQNBkYDbkpDa8w+OwKE4ExwPQZPQA0A3bkCVvW4dfZA-TpRBABbcEAM+CAcxBBgm9HIrMAAPAAA

Most run Rifle/GS and the defensive line instead of arms.

messiah.1908:

with ele its really depends as on paper you should kill them or make them off point
the problem it will take you some time so they might get help and outnumber you
on team fight i just make them flee off points for few sec while they wasted their cleanse

Eh, with two people focusing an ele all it takes is one DPS mes to be Lockdown and the mes will be gone in seconds. A single rupt Mes can do it but a good ele is likely to get by with fractions of health left followed by clutch heals, thus luck becomes a high factor. That’s why the second player is there, it removes the luck factor along with those fractions of HP.

Easy.

If you can’t interrupt a thief and know he’s waiting to blind/interrupt your casts, use your CC’s to simply put his skills on cooldown and summon your phantasms on him. Then swap to a defensive nature. Let your phants pressure/wear him down and stay close to them for support. Then when the opportunity strikes, land imob/cc and shatter. Or just let the phants drive them off.

There’s also no reason not to disengage if you can.

Levetty.1279:

Ross Biddle.2367:

Levetty.1279:

Ross Biddle.2367:

Levetty.1279:

When I said this, you threw a hissy fit.

For the love of god, man, say something productive would you!

Like the entire post about alcrity and bouncing that people are now agreeing with but you threw a kitten fit at? Whats the point?

You’re not making any sense man! Make some sense!

Levetty.1279:

I have the feeling people are greatly overestimting the Shield Phantasm and Alacrity in general in the various modes, unless soemthing gets buffed before release. If we go heavy into shattering (which Anet thinks is the only thing we should do) we will probably get a decent uptime on it for ourselves but they have already said they are going to negate this by giving a lot of Chronomancer skills long cds, we still have our base skills of course but even a lot of them are on long cds.

In terms of group support, which is what everybody is excited about and thinks will get us guaranteed slots everywhere, it looks rather lackluster. Well of Recall is a 45sec CD for 3 secs of alacrity and uses the worst combo field in the game which will get in the way of fire fields in pve. This will still be our best method of sharing it though.

The Shield Phantasms are going to have various problems in different parts of the game.

WvW Zergs – Useless like most phantasms.

PvE – Due to the blocking mechanic, will take longer to set up then normal phantasms. Hard to keep up due to abundance of aoes. As a support phantasm is unlikely to have particulary good damage so cuts into our dps. can’t control who it bounces and gives alacrity too, not sure on the number of bounces here though.

WvW group roaming – similar problems to PvE but on top of that the bouncing mechanic gets worse the more people you add with the projectile often ending up doing nothing as people move all over the place and it bounces off to nowhere.

Wait wait wait, so basically you said a bunch of stuff people had already said (for years) and expect it to be taken as new and edgy?

You’re right, I like Chaos’ take better.

Levetty.1279:

Ross Biddle.2367:

Levetty.1279:

When I said this, you threw a hissy fit.

For the love of god, man, say something productive would you!

Like the entire post about alcrity and bouncing that people are now agreeing with but you threw a kitten fit at? Whats the point?

You’re not making any sense man! Make some sense!

Mes Pistol 5, Thief Shortbow, Ricochet on Thief Pistol, none of these had any problem with their bounce. Key difference? Velocity.

Easy fix

• Make all phant bounce projectiles at least the velocity of thief sbow.
• Increase the range of all phant bounce projectiles to 1200 (range before first hit)
• Keep the range of attack of the phantasms the same. So iMage attacks at his usual 900 range (or whatever), but his projectile will keep tracking so a walking dollyak can’t escape him.

Done. Dusted. Fire the programing team, I got this.

• Oh, and review bounce logic to better prioritize targets.

Bonus option

• Ranged projectile phantasms fire “Magic Missile” that divides between X targets on opening attack. No bounce necessary. DONE. 5 targets total, yourself, 1 allie, 3 enemies, 5 projectiles on attack that track to each.

Levetty.1279:

When I said this, you threw a hissy fit.

For the love of god, man, say something productive would you!

Isnt the best necro the one who holds out on point for as long as possible only to die, respawn, run back, and do it again?

Oh, also if you need it

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/mesmer/Guide-How-to-make-a-half-decent-vid/first#

Oh’man oh’man oh’man, this sounds like the perfect opportunity for me to finally post some killshot mesmer footage!

:D

Tealots.6095:

Ross Biddle.2367:

apharma.3741:

The killshot warrior is the most fun thing in the whole lot.

Especially that ele kill that caused the ele to RQ.

Killshot War takes me to a special place

That’s what PP thief did for me. RIP. U will b mist.

No way to make it work?

When I play Warrior, I prefer to play the roaming DPS role of Ultimate Killshot Warrior

Works great. Makes me ultra happy

apharma.3741:

The killshot warrior is the most fun thing in the whole lot.

Especially that ele kill that caused the ele to RQ.

Killshot War takes me to a special place

messiah.1908:

if ppl still shouting perma slow so common

chrono if ppl still didnt get it is for group fight and not dueling

it can support good the party . can be effective bunker (but probable not as guard or dd ele)

the basic power build are still meta and better without chorno

maybe for condition chorno can be better with lots fo pressure but simple power pu or power block can be better wihtout chrono

i think the support boon share with wells and glamour field can be good too

I’ve barely noticed slow except during stomps. It makes stomps take FOREVER

circuitnerd.5863:

Well what doesn’t make sense to me is why you’re given 2 opportunities to create a phantasm by either blocking, which spawns it sooner, or waiting till the skill ends which creates it later.

You get a block skill. The block summons a phantasm. If the block fails to initiate (lets say because the target refuses to attack) the phantasm summons at the end of the block channel. It summons the phantasm at the end of the block channel so that you still get your phantasm even if someone doesnt proc the block.

…its a fail safe.

Esplen.3940:

I like Chaos line, but I tend to go for CI…

It’s a great line.

Rym.1469:

AlphatheWhite.9351:

Warlord of Chaos.7845:

If you want to show me how I am wrong, please duel me and show me the error of my ways.

That’s just as inane as the idea that a criminal could prove his innocence through trial by combat.
Deciding who’s right by who’s the better pvper? Really?
Now who’s unwilling to be convinced?

I want to see you fly!

I’ll sort this out.

If you’re running the Chaos line and PU, you’re playing an inferior build in more respects than you’re not. This includes delusions that double ranged PU shatter is gonna produce best results.

As for Mesmer vs Thief matchup: Thieves smell. Mesmers are better.

There, done.

So the beta weekend saw the addition of a few new elite specs and my OMFG buddies were out in force testing and recording chronomancer, myself included (recording, not playing one). During our usual OMFG raid (in which we run all Mesmers) I decided to run a bit of Ultimate Killshot War. So here’s a couple vids for all you warrior fans.

This ones a match and a half with OMFG (and a couple pugs)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Yv0YLzjSLw

And this is a series of duels vs Chaos Archangel running a Chronomancer spec with me on Kshot
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lnIRxClxbnI

ilovekillshotwarrior@imainmesmer.com

tobascodagama.2961:

I should’ve made some Chrono vids this weekend. But then you’d all see how awful I am at PvP.

Come now, don’t be shy, Chaos posts vids all the time and you don’t see him worrying.

Way way way to many chronomancer threads up on this forum at the moment, and while varied and relatively interesting in a timely topic sort of way, still oh so boring- “Chrono OP!”, “You’re a dummy, no it’s not!”…

Anyway as part of the chronomancer crusade I did my bit to put together some vids from the weekend.

This is Chaos on Chrono dueling me on Ultimate Killshot War
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lnIRxClxbnI

This one is a match and a half of OMFG running a PvP Mes Raid, featuring Tealot on Mes, Chaos on Chrono, some other OMFG and a couple pugs.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Yv0YLzjSLw

Here is a series of six duels between Chaos Archangel on Chrono vs Tealot running condi mes. I took them from the PoV of Tealot and Chaos will upload his PoV at some point.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QuT9jghYnxo&feature=youtu.be

From what I read a lot of people are really scared of Chrono, or the OP’ness of Mes in general. To all of you I laugh.

messiah.1908:

why you want phantasm skills recharge with OS. just take the trait so when you shatter they reappear

to use time warp just to do that ???!!!

Again, I didn’t want to be the guy to say it, but if your goal is to kill someone, there’s certainly easier ways to do it -_-u.

Honestly, if your definition of “chronomancer OP” is casting your way through eight phantasm summons (plus fluff) (pvp, don’t even bother talking pve) then you’re having a laugh.

phokus.8934:

Ross Biddle.2367:

Dueled Chaos on Kshot was vs his Chronomancer. Also have vids of Tealot on condi mes vs Chaos Chrono that I’ll get to.

https://youtu.be/lnIRxClxbnI

Why they no dodge KS!?

Lol, he was having a senior moment.

Chaos is a good player, and a great mes, which can be seen on countless vids. Never the less, getting hit by a kshot is easier than you think.

Guanglai Kangyi.4318:

Necrotize.2974:

Guanglai Kangyi.4318:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BujuG3Nm0as

ayup

If you’re trying to get at what I think you’re getting at, here we go:

Hmm…a mesmer supplied with 25 stacks of might, running 2 wells and a full dps build managed to kill a stationary target very quickly. If you think is applicable to anything but PvE then I question the types of players you’re used to fighting. Plus the warrior is attacking through the whole thing in order to maintain those might stacks.

It’s stuff like this that makes it very hard to take anything you say seriously.

That is exactly what I am getting at. I don’t play PvP except to farm out quick dailies.

Yeah, so in an actual match vs people trying to kill you, things don’t go like that.

They don’t go like that at all.

Dueled Chaos on Kshot was vs his Chronomancer. Also have vids of Tealot on condi mes vs Chaos Chrono that I’ll get to.

https://youtu.be/lnIRxClxbnI

This thread needs a nerf. Its uptime is OP.

Adjust.6903:

Only downside is I can’t make a viable rifle or axe build, now that’d be fun!

When I play War I only play Ultimate Killshot War.

It’s really easy to focus down Mesmers with it too. That ranged pressure.

Nier.8741:

EremiteAngel.9765:

learn what it does before asking for it to be changed!

The hypocrisy is just insane on the people defending Mesmer, sigh.

Hypocrisy

• The practice of professing beliefs, feelings, or virtues that one does not hold or possess; falseness.

Yeah, I think you’re confused.

I didn’t want to have to be the one to say it but… kill the phantasms.

Having played Phantrupt since November, with the old mantra system, harmonious, and cleanse on heal, the revert back meant nothing. I still rek faces same as always.

But I can imagine how your average joe mesmer can’t handle it and need, albeit desire a change to something else. And of course your average opponent has gone back to laughing at Mesmers all the same.

Ok, time to weigh in.

I think the trouble with a phantasm build, or the Asskicker build in particular is actually one of practicality. Yes Mesmer traits, layouts, and dev intentions have changed, but the real issue is the drastic shift in the meta. Personally I’m very weary of channel skills for one, scepter 3, AA’s, phant summons, with mesmers running around going rupt crazy, classic /p thieves, and so much in your face DPS now, it’s really difficult to commit to anything relying on a cast time. The dramatic increase in DPS has also served to exasperate the old issue with phantasms. The AoE, cleave, AA’s, and condi bombs in the game all hit so hard now phants really suffer. The environment is just so kitten hostile it makes running the play-style very, very unpractical.

So with that in mind the way I look at it, if you’re wanting to run some sort of pvp phantasm build you’re first going to need to look at a complete redesign. You’re going to have to look at the basics by asking some simple questions. What role is the build filling? What difficulties is my play style facing? And finally, what practical design can I come up with to overcome these obstacles?

There are a number of trait lines to choose from but what is most optimal is where the real debate lies. The two biggest challenges I think are fitting in strong condition cleanse, and Phantasmal Haste. Above all other traits I believe phantasmal haste is the only trait that turns the presence of phantasms that can be found on any old Mesmer build into a truly distinctive, destructive presence. Other traits would certainly further optimize, but that one reigns supreme (now that it applies properly).

It’s an auto attack. You use it in situations where it’s prudent to auto attack.

That’s about it.

I can raid usual time if you want.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/wuv/World-Population-Changes-Are-Coming/first

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/mesmer/Guide-How-to-make-a-half-decent-vid/first#

I didn’t find your silly and extreme build anywhere near silly nor extreme enough.

Here’s how I PvP an Ultimate Killshot Warrior.
http://gw2skills.net/editor/?vJAQNBkYDbkpDa8w+OwKE4ExQRgZDgOYA4GDdgknm3ieZBA-TpBBwAcOCAAuAAYOIA12focZgAPAAA

You don’t need all those silly endure pain and defensive trait line picks. Just stay highly mobile, juking in and out of fights if and when need be, and use your rifle range + killshots for the takedowns (not to mention the sneaky final thrust). Highly effective, great fun for the roaming dps role.

Got in some more OMFG mes games at the usual weekly time :D

Coming from pre patch phantrupt which was purely phantasm (rarely shattering), and moving into post patch phantasm here’s my super simple point of view on it.

Yes you shatter now. You’re better off for it. However the question for me quickly became when/where do I switch gears? That’s all it boils down to. Am I going on a huge shatter offensive? Or am I better off changing gear and running the phantasm game?

And that’s it. Learning your matchups, figuring out what’s better when. It can put your opponent through a mind bender, and easily lead to domination over ever the seemingly toughest/annoying opponents.

So you want to be able to outplay mesmer….. by dumbing the class down for you.

Here’s a novel idea. How about you increase the skill of other classes by increasing their access to skills. In otherwords, giving your favorite class tools with which to add counterplay.

Otherwise just another dumb thread.

3,758 hours on mes.
No afk’ing – never been into LA role playing
One map complete
Two fractal backpieces
The rest pretty much boils down to WvW roaming and PvP.

That about sums it up.

Chaos Archangel.5071:

People very quickly forget the basic law of not being a hypocrite: Don’t say/do things you wouldn’t want done to yourself. The internet is no excuse to lack personal integrity.

Hypocrisy
The practice of professing beliefs, feelings, or virtues that one does not hold or possess; falseness.

Whatever law you’re trying to divert to, hypocrisy isn’kitten Furthermore (and Im not taking part for or against) but your line about personal integrity could be leveled against the OP by those in the thread that’ve taken exception with him.

Probably the same reason soldiers might say “Light em up!”, instead of “Begin discharging your firearms in the direction of the enemy soldiers!”

In WvW commanders take it a step further and in TS you’ll hear them “Banner-banner-banner!”

The only reason Anet buffed Mesmer at all was because they wanted to see Helseth do another one of those prediction videos where he runs around the PvP Lobby ranting about how Scepter 1 spam is going to be the new meta and how it’ll be the end of Mesmer as we know it.

unknownchaos.1425:

Ross Biddle.2367:

unknownchaos.1425:

Apharma , the video is more about laughs and payback then lole-sports skills. If you just look at it for the fun of it. It’s just what I advertised it as. Funny.

Highlight videos with how overpowered Mesmer are atm is stupid. So I stopped making them after the recent balance patch.

As for why I hunted them down in teamspeak. Well that’s between me and them lol.

Thanks pal for watching.

P.s Mr Biddle. I watched a few of your videos. Just to enlighten myself. I can see what your issue is. No one watches or likes anything you’ve done. Try for fun. That’s how to make a half decent video lol. Yw pal

Geeze, I don’t even put up my vids with views and likes in mind, and yet I get plenty of views (in the hundreds, at least when I share them with more than just friends) and even PM’s from people about this and that. Are you feeling alright?

BTW, as others have said, I didn’t find your video funny at all either. I didn’t feel bad or anything, but certainly not humored. I suppose there were aspects of mild entertainment. The height of interest was to see what competitor was going to come along next, and if they were going to bring anything worth while to give you a hard time.

I was interested in seeing how to make a half decent video. I watched more then a few of yours. I honestly didn’t see anything I enjoyed. You can claim I’m bad. You wouldn’t be the first to make that ground breaking statement. But please , if your going to give tips. Please make them helpful or useful.

It’s kind of like a poor person giving stock advice. :(

O BTW I feel great! Ty for asking!

- Vieux ty for your feedback! Glad you enjoyed

Thank you for giving me permission to claim your bad. Question: what definition of ‘bad’ are you referring to?

I don’t really have any interest in making claims against you. Oh, and you’re welcome for the tip about the stealth and the chaos storms :)

unknownchaos.1425:

Apharma , the video is more about laughs and payback then lole-sports skills. If you just look at it for the fun of it. It’s just what I advertised it as. Funny.

Highlight videos with how overpowered Mesmer are atm is stupid. So I stopped making them after the recent balance patch.

As for why I hunted them down in teamspeak. Well that’s between me and them lol.

Thanks pal for watching.

P.s Mr Biddle. I watched a few of your videos. Just to enlighten myself. I can see what your issue is. No one watches or likes anything you’ve done. Try for fun. That’s how to make a half decent video lol. Yw pal

Geeze, I don’t even put up my vids with views and likes in mind, and yet I get plenty of views (in the hundreds, at least when I share them with more than just friends) and even PM’s from people about this and that. Are you feeling alright?

BTW, as others have said, I didn’t find your video funny at all either. I didn’t feel bad or anything, but certainly not humored. I suppose there were aspects of mild entertainment. The height of interest was to see what competitor was going to come along next, and if they were going to bring anything worth while to give you a hard time.

Look, I don’t want to have to be the one to call out the elephant in the room but this threads getting along in posts now and everyone else seems to be turning a blind eye.

So come on guys, I think it’s pretty fair and obvious callout. Ranger’s OP and needs a nerf.

If this is allowed to continue we might see two rangers in a torny, or worse, two in the finals D:

The only person worse at the game than them was you XD

Random chaos storms drops are bad, but worse is the random chaos storm drop followed by the stealth skill use. Your enemies walk into the chaos storm proccing a hit and you’re revealed before a seconds worth of stealth has elapsed. So…. many…….. times……

As for them, no cleanses, clearly not grouped nor calling target. It’s WvW so they should have swapped skills on the fly. Sic Em for the rangers. They should have hit you hard with conditions themselves. Stealth traps would have ruined your day. They were just dumb and didnt understand what they were facing. Heck, all they’d have to do is be ready to insta res any downed and no one should have died -_-u

Architecture.7524:

A lot of my friends are leaving the game because of the unbalanced burn damage and mesmers..

Is it just me noticing these things?

I didn’t notice your friends leave. It’s not odd that you noticed them leave, though.