Guild Wars 2

Ok…

…they deleted my message here saying that I beat it. All I said was “Asuran mesmer, no speed boosts” :/

I swear the moderators are out to get me

mrsrachelm.7618:

nor does the fact that you were capable of jumping some pixels in a video game make you somehow a better person when you log off, ROFLOL!

If they make the puzzle less difficult then what’s it to you if you’ve already done it?Grow up. people.

If jumping on some pixels isn’t a big deal, why be so upset that you can’t do it?

You could have a guildmate or friend you trust a lot log into your account and run it for you (Assuming they can even finish, seems a lot of folks are having difficulty)

coffeeisyum.5297:

I really enjoy how we go in a group it just makes it so much funner!

I know right. Repeatting it over and over solo til you master it is just repetition, trying muddle through it with a dozen other guys and laughing about it afterwards is half the experience IMO xD

morningstories.8563:

There is no reason to be rude to those that aren’t enjoying this particular jp.

morningstories.8563:

….won’t be around long enough for me to really master it because I have a life.

:| – Accuse someone of being rude, then in same breath accuse him of not having a life. Let’s keep things civil…

Oh! – sweet. maybe now I’ll actually be able to look FORWARD… maybe even UPWARDS on my asura without the camera smacking into the floor. Thanks for the heads up

I wonder what the world beyond floor height looks like…

I second the OP, this was great fun, and wonderfully executed. Joking about with the other players and laughing when we messed up, the adrenaline fuelled rush through the chaos to get there, and the joy of achieving something difficult when I finally got to the end.

Would do it all again :p

Vradiqa.2765:

That’s part of the “madness” for me. Asura consistently managed to get into the tower here.

Maybe it’s because Asura attract a “certain type” of player

Player.9621:

why is this game called guild wars?

In fairness, Guild Wars 1 didn’t have much guild wars either, it was an allusion to the events that actually occured before the game and set the scene… maybe they were meant to have a bigger role in it, I guess we’ll never know now xD

irinawds.9627:

I’ll get this out of the way…

“Well it wasn’t a problem for ME so you have nothing to complain about”

There, now all the people that are acting that way about other peoples problems can just save it.

Thank you. You saved me the effort

- Signed, a very acrobatic Asura

irinawds.9627:

Then its suppose to be disproportionately more difficult for some races? I see.

Charr do have very awkward jumping animations, but i notice you’re forced into a combat stance for the duration of the puzzle making it much easier than their pouncing leap.

Norn are kind’ve ungainly due to their large footprint.

human/sylvari don’t see an issue.

Asura should have a very easy time having a smaller footprint and thus easier to judge exactly where you are landing (I did it as an Asura, likewise my friend who was with me also completed it slightly before I did and he is an asura – indeed we were racing each other the last 1/3 of the map xD)

Well if visibility is the issue maybe they should turn everyone into plastic spiders or something thematiclly appropriate that is also small and inoffensive.

irinawds.9627:

“It’s not an issue for ME so it’s FINE.”

“It’s an issue for ME, so everyone ELSE must accept my demands?”

swiftpaw.6397:

Then you get those smug few who have completed it and say ‘I don’t know what you’re all talking about, this puzzle is fine, I love it blah blah blah.’

Well, I don’t. Sure it took me at least 2 dozen attempts, but it was hilarious and good fun and felt good when I finally beat it, I even did another run afterwards for an encore (I messed up early in though xD).

I’ve heard this all before, when people were shouting “OMG DUNGEONS ARE IMPOSSIBLE” – you never hear that anymore… did they nerf dungeons or did people just get better at the game?

So tell me, do you guys want a nerf now, so you can beat it “easy mode” or do you want to beat it the same way the rest of us did and say “yeah, I am good at this”. And achievement isn’t an achievement if you just get handed it… it’s like those silly xbox achievements: “Achievement: You started the game!”

Zim.8539:

A small minority of players are “screaming.” And thats it. I see just as many people replying on these threads saying its fine the way it is. Besides, a few dozen people doth not a majority make.

Also, remember that people who are enjoying themselves are less likely to stop by the forum and say so, while people who are not will make a bee-line for it to grind their axes

You’re asking for a full server rollback because a small portion of the players during peak hours got a handful more greens than you guys?

:/ – Priorities?

I think people are over-estimating just how many exotics dropped from these chests, I got 1 exotic and an “exotic” recipe sheet in 4 boss kills. It’s not exactly economy breaking, the exotic in question was worth 50 silver, 43 after tax deductions – the recipe sheet I opted to use seeing I’m a tailor.

0.43 gold, compared to my bank account of around 65 gold, it hasn’t exactly changed my life xD

I actually started enjoying having people with me, it was funny to see them fall or go past me, and chatting between rounds and cracking jokes.

I think it’d definatly be a lesser experience if it were made solo.

Does anyone remember when dungeons first came out?

OMG DUNGEONS TOO HARD, NERF DUNGEONS!

Now, everyone is ok with this, they’ve mastered the dungeons; the same applies here folks. Practice makes perfect. Short of having some form of disability or physical impairment there is no excuse for not being able to master it with patience and practice.

If you do have an impairment though, you have my sympathy with not being able to properly enjoy what is an entertaining and exciting jumping puzzle.

The problem is that sceptre’s clones are still useless for anything by shatter fodder. And if you’re running shatter then you’re probably better off using evasive deception + a more practical weapon option.

In PvP it has always had specialist uses, but in PvE it remains impractical. GS clones are not comparable as some people’ve suggested; GS clones strike the target multiple times per surge, which means they can stack multiple bleeds per cycle. Sceptre clones may only cause 1 bleed per attack cycle.

@Kana: Hindsight is always 20/20 – many people who bought keys didn’t check the forums first, or perhaps bought them when there was no data on drop rates available; indeed without their spending we’d have never known how low it was.

Armed with what we know now, we know that it’d be better to convert those gems to gold and buy that way. But that raises another issue: $50 for a virtual item NOT ACCEPTABLE

@Naoko: Half those players with wallets big enough to get these rare skins in the first place will’ve found some other rare and expensive toy to flash about by next year anyway (Another rare and expensive skin, or maybe a legendary), marks my words.

The population that will most appreciate these skins are the 90% of the population who don’t have bugger all gold or money to throw about who happened to get lucky on their few chests they bought. They’ll likely wear that skin with pride for years to come.

In GW1 halloween stuff WAS exclusive; everyone who went to any given event got the items. But after the event the number of people who ciontinued to use the items went down over time, new arrivals never had the opportunity and so on. So that 12 months later items were genuinely rare

Greatsaw and the ilk are so few and most in the hands of the richest players who’ll likely buy something bigger and flashier, in 12 months time I’ll bet you won’t see ANYONE with them. They’ll have dissapeared entirely, your definition of exclusive overlaps with extinct

It’s a point of frustration for those of us who don’t have legendary aspirations have bought keys, saved up hard to try buy it on TP and yet the price is always just beyond our reach…

I’ve noticed the price rising, but at the same time the weekend begins tommorow so all the working players with disposable income from their jobs but can only play at the weekend will be on, and no doubt a fair few of those will buy BLC’s so I expect to see another drop in price.

@Tyrick: In real life you don’t “gamble for money” either, you convert your money into casino chips and then you gamble for chips. In most casinos chips can also be used to buy goods in the casino like drinks

The only difference is Gems can’t be converted back into real money. But otherwise they are functionally identical as chips.

It means it’s a VERY fine line between anet operating a gambling operation.

Historically in GW1, every year saw a new set of skins – though once in a while they had offers on the CS where they’d have the most popular skins of the last few years available as a brief comeback offer.

It won’t be til years down the line will we truly know their long term pattern for GW2. While I’d like to think there’ll be a second chance for stuff like the greatsaw, in GW1 this was never the case some of the really neat and unique halloween costume stuff remained unique.

(Of course in GW1, the uniqueness was a reward for being a long term player. In GW2 it’s a reward for having a HUGE wallet or insane luck)

Getting gold in an event shouldn’t be too hard if you stick to high damage direct attacks like greatsword’s spammable laser beam. But slower attacks like sceptre and staff arn’t even going to LAND, and forget about using ranged phantasms.

But even then, don’t hold up any hope of TAGGING anything, a mesmer has to absolutely pull out ALL the stops, and spec into a suitable direct damage build and gear if they want to have any hope of getting a decent amount of loot, when any other class can pretty much roll their face on the keyboard for the same effect

Will they acknowledge it?

Hah… yeah right. We’ve been telling them this since the first week and their response has been to nerf us over the last 3 patches making it even harder

Klawlyt.6507:

Does an Asuran mesmer make sense? How about a Guardian, with their religious overtones? And really, engineers tend to use more Charr-y technology, not the awesome high tech of the Asura.

Asura rely heavily on magical technology as tools. A “guardian” asura could easily be a specialist in kinetic barriers.

Mesmer is absolutely an asuran thing; it’s the very embodiment of the college of synergetics, Snaff was a mesmer

Only engineer looks a bit “odd” because as you say they rely on mechanical technologies and accelerant based munitions, when Asura have magic powered lasers and robots.

They’re on a 2-million-player-worth-of-candy-gifts sugar high

(They are going to crash so hard after the festival)

That is the most fallacious statement I’ve ever heard.

Everyone would just buy it without any grind
I wasn’t aware that people paying money for an item had to grind as well, when you go into a shop and pay for a basket of shopping have you ever been asked to drop and give them 20 to make sure you did some work for it?

no one would ever go out and get any other GS, except for the legendaries.
Do you have any evidence to make up this assertion? – In GW1 whenever a new outfit came out suddenly that was hot outfit of the month, having some really sweet outfits early on didn’t appear to hurt long term sales.

. Now take this to a new level and imagine all kinds of gear items, that have the level of awesomeness as the Greatsaw currently has. No one would play the game since it doesn’t require any real effort to grind for armor or weapons, since you could get them all from the cash shop
Again, look at existing examples like GW1 and City of heroes, both games freely sold gear and yet people played them for years. Indeed, City of heroes had no gear grind at all all of it’s gear was cash shop or given freely. Most people see more in a game than vanity outfits… I hope you do too right?

A BIG chunk of the dedicated and hardcore players would simply leave the game
Again can you back up this assertion? – That is a hugely sweeping statement that doesn’t seem to tally

Unique items are what keep an MMO running. (see GW1)
See GW1, as a game where people could just buy gear, yet they kept playing anyway. Your statement is provably wrong.

The dragon chests can drop precursor items required for legendaries worth often over 100g, I don’t believe the starter zone raid bosses do.

nottsgman.8206:

if I remember right skins in GW1 were account-wide too not just per character

You do. Skins wern’t given but “unlocked” and you could claim a skin as many times as you wanted on any number of characters once unlocked.

Death.2091:

Now I know not how it was in GW1 (it is to my limited knowledge a lot of earning instead of buying),

I hear a lot of people saying that and it’s total dis-information to confuse non GW1 players

GW1 cash shop skins could all be freely bought DIRECT from the cash shop. No random number generator, no drama. You just gave them your money, they gave you your skin, everyone was happy.

Nobody ever complained this setup was “too easy” or that the skins had to be in any way exclusive.

Conncept.7638:

Xherra.1639:

Seriously though, nobody else hears it every 10 seconds?

And No, Rata Sum is a death trap. I fear that place. Ever since I went there for Map Completion, I refuse to go back.

Only REAL men shop where you can fall to your death at any moment :P

It should come as no surprise that it takes a genius to navigate Rata Sum, it’s our way of keeping bookahs and the mentally impaired out of our trading post

1. No, never again.

2. No.

3. Yes, I would definitely buy weapon and armour skins on BLTP for around the 300-500 gem mark.

4. I sincerely hope not. A repeat of this fiasco would make me think twice about continuing to play this title.

5. See 4.

6. No, from either the BLTP chests, nor the mad king chests

7. No, the inability to use the items with my combat outfit put me off, otherwise I would likely bought the witch set for the broom.

Sahfur.5612:

Have you considered that maybe Arena Net rides the line on annoying/entertaining sometimes in order to realistically show a living world/town?

I dunno… i mean it’s been 2 months and that guy still hasn’t found the latrine near the crafting stations in lions Arch, and you’d think that peacekeeper in Rata Sum would know golems don’t have a memory by now, I mean… in real life people don’t ask the same thing over and over and ov-

“When’s the dragon up!?!?!

…ok, so maybe they’re not so far off.

Cruiser.3506:

Gold in real life is rare, there’s only been so much of it found and so much of it available.

The situation we have here though is more analogous to diamond. A material that is actually plentiful, but it’s supply, availability and price is entirely controlled by a single company who has opted to market them as rare

Pixels are essentially free, the price associated and the rareness of them is dictated entirely by arenanet.

C’mon that Charr manages to do their lines with such fun, vigor and believability that it shames Trehearne’s entire campaign mode performance :p

Just food for thought:

Asides the manhours involved in making the item model and adding it to the game (not a great deal), the item costs nothing.

Supply is essentially infinite. Therefore any price or rarity assigned to it is completely arbitrary. Surely it’s better to sell them to everyone for a reasonably small amount, than to sell it to a tiny portion of the population for a large amount?

I’d be interested in seeing the maths behind this sales model.

I’ve seen a handful of names from “that MST3K video” (A must see if you havn’t already)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RFHlJ2voJHY

All of which are naturally, incredibly awesome

I also ran into a Charr earlier who’s first name was “Nyan”

Very well articulated post, I hope this one sticks around on the front page for a good long while and gets read.

Of our guild of a dozen people only 1 of them bought chests, yet most of them would buy the skins were they on the cash shop. There is a whole untapped market here just waiting for them to change their strategy; people who will give them money for pixels, if only they sold them the right pixels

szthesquid.9576:

Well here’s the thing. You already have two permanent souvenirs, and I estimate a 99.9% probability of more to come.

Did you actually read and absorb what he was trying to say?

EndlessDreamer.6780:

Except that reduces the value of the item if everyone can get them. That’s the problem. They want something rare and that people can be different for having.

Except this is a fallacy and I can prove it.

Exhibit A: City of heroes

City of heroes had little to no “earned” items, almost all outfit pieces were given freely at character creation or could be unlocked via a small one-time fee.

Strangely enough, there was little homogenity, City of heroes player avatars were amongst the most diverse i have ever seen, people dressed in a way that suited their character and/or they enjoyed, no two characters ever looked alike.

http://www.gamerzines.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/city-of-heroes.jpg

Exhibit B: Guild Wars 1 (Pre-vanity clothing)

Guild Wars, prior to the introduction of cash shop vanity clothing had 1 outfit set that stood head and shoulders above the others in terms of price and rarity – Obsidian (Fissure of Woe) armour, havbing a price tag the best part of 10-20 times that of prestige armour, and around 800-1200 times that of the “exotic equivalent” armour.

Likewise, black dye was by far the most valuable and rarest dye. Subsequently, 90% of “veteran” players would run around wearing black obsidian armour as a demonstration of their wealth.

This situation changed a little after vanity clothing was introduced, as people could buy outfits and vanity clothing became the norn and we saw a much wider selection of vanity options.

Conclusion

Making clothing available to all increases the diversity of player dress sense. Making certain clothing rare and unique actually decreases diversity, by encouraging people to acquire and display that specific item

@Nretep: Summoning all 30 clones on the same target would be a stupid tactic for the reason you specified

Let’s say each mesmer selects a different target for their clones, if any given target in the equal sided fight dies, you lose up to 3 clones. The mesmers co-ordinate to focus their OWN attacks on the same target; this’d spike them down in seconds too, but the other team are still presented with up to 3 decoys for every real mesmer.

If the victims spread their attacks they’ll burn through the clones quickly, but not take down the mesmers at any real speed and the mesmers can easily drop a bunch more clones in second. If they focus fire, there’s a 75% chance they’ll waste their cooldowns on a decoy.

I’m 80 and i have trouble tagging the mobs that come out of the doors :/ (mesmer)

How low 20’s are meant to handle this…

inorite.

The secret of easy champion is to run in there and spam AoE’s. By the time you load for everyone else you’ve accidentlly defeatted 2 dozen players xD

King Thorn is an ancient human ruler of Kryta, Lions Arch being Kryta’s historic capital even as recently GW1.

So it’s not a big surprise lions arch is where it’s all going down.

A lot of people don’t understand how the tables work, they don’t have the luxury of using them frequently like you and are often just trying figure out how the minigame works, even though they’re unwittingly blocking it from working.

Above all else, I hope anet takes stock and learns from this and doesn’t foist chests upon us like this ever again.

Have money, will buy skins (Not lottery tickets)

I thought it has a chainsaw sound?

I saw a norn with this in LA today and it definatly made a noise like a chainsaw idling; I dunno if it reves up when you attack with it but it definatly made an idle sound

Does anyone remember Guild Wars 1?

How 90% of the veteran players were all unique little butterflies in their black obi with glowing hands and assorted hats?

…that’s what happens when you make stuff rare. by making stuff widely available people are more likely to dress in a way that is personal to them, as opposed to “whatever shows off my infintie wealth best”.

Lucas Ashrock.8675:

What you didn’t got, amen. After all, are you truly planning to use halloween armor skin or halloween themed weapons during christmas?

I’ll be bringing a giant smoke spewing chainsaw to the winter elves

Man I’ll be kitten if it’s the mysterious tonics, I threw those out on reflex :/