Guild Wars 2

Arcaedus.7290:

Legiion.7385:

Hi
I love Burn guard and I played him soooooo long.
But i dont think he can kill a skilled power DH.
I would love to see the Burn gurdian returns
Btw i cant see ur vid cuze im a german

This is true, but the beauty of it is that burn-guard can very efficiently kill things that power-DH can not (revenant and druid mostly). His build essentially gives you an alternate option for roaming/dueling/pvp if you are ever trying to overcome an opponent which I think is pretty valuable to guardian as a whole.

I can’t speak for wvw as I don’t roam but a good ranger in structured pvp shouldn’t lose in a 1v1 vs a burn guard. Now in wvw, you can get an additional 20% burns so that definitely makes a difference.

Power dh can beat a rev in structured pvp thanks to the previous patch but again, idk about their efficiency in wvw.

I’m not opposing you or anything i’m just curious on the builds true performance in wvw

Thread is /facepalm

Those guards you fought are so bad.. power DH should never lose vs a burn DH 1v1..let alone some 1v2. Fun vid though.

You’d effectively make Thief & Mesmer the worse class in the game and you’d give matchmaking a heart attack. Not to mention the headaches many players would go through when there’s a stack of 5+ of the same classes.

Gamemodes and Build diversity is what’s hurting GW2 right now, not necessarily the # of players on a map.

A lot of them don’t know what Purgimg Flames is lol. That one war entered it like 4 times.

GladConcept.4650:

Ultima Online. … 15 chars

Any other mmo games within the same decade?

Agreed. The #1 reason of Conquest’s success is that, players don’t need to be great team fighters. If you wipe mid, you could very well take side points, split the opposing team’s dps, etc. More strategy means more opportunities; chances.

In tdm, players don’t get many chances. There’s little strategies to fall back on when players lose the initial team fight. Likewise, a single player can’t carry the match. Best they can do is sustain themselves a second or two more but, little will that do.

It definitely needs some type of mechanic, or simply limit tdm to 2v2 and 3v3’s as these offer more strategical potentials.

TDM
3 rounds
Time limit of 5m
Lowest average health team loses the round after time expires

I never liked its cleansing ability. The cleanse tick feels as if it’s only a single condition cleansed among 3 targeted ally’s rather than a single cleanse per ally, per tick, for a total of 27 cleansed conditions (assuming they receive a condition per second). Regardless, the cleanse effect feels lackluster considering the close proximity ability is a channel effect.

The same could be said about its Burn (or power dmg) damages. Personally, Dulled Senses needs to have an F1 activation stack no more than x3. As it happens, an F1 activation by Dulled Senses consumes, nulls, or replaces any burn activation you may have up… making it do nothing. This change would improve DH burn effectiveness and Torch#5 both.

Lets just ban core thief from the tournament until we get this straightened out. /kappa

Supreme.3164:

If they don’t remove their stupid 50/50 system….nobody will care about their season…

Overwatch is the same if not worse. I just want Rank to start so I have something else to do. For now, i’m playing other games.

Azukas.1426:

sephiroth.4217:

Azukas.1426:

Lord Hammer Hand.4815:

aslong as 1 button doesnt activate 2+ skills at the same time anet has no problem w/ it.

Let’s me clarify

They are using macros to activate more than one skill at a time. I will edit OP thx

How do you know this though?

Some people have gaming mouse with 19 buttons and have easy access to fast rotations.

Some abilities can be used in conjunction with other skills too depending on if they have a cast time.

b/c i use said mouse with 19 buttons in total

I’m not facing players from the pro league here when I say this. I’m facing players who are casual to semi casual gamers. This 600 APM isn’t what they can achieve, but they are hitting macros which do this. I think people are forgetting this

Are you basing these accusations off of some one’s 1v1 recorded duels or is it something you automatically assume when you die to a player?

This game isn’t based on APM and you have no idea what their action speeds are in-game. Macros in general are bad unless your a baddie fighting other baddies… which would make you what..? An above average baddie?

You are sounding quite outlandish now.

Reaper Alim.4176:

PvP community is too far on life support a hair away from being completely dead. ANet just can’t afford to do it without making people Queue times super long at current population levels. ANet dropped the ball big time by letting the solo/duo queuer being effortlessly farmed by pre mades for too long, and class stacking on top of it.

Two myths I like to correct.

If Anet was worried about player seperation amd queue times then they wouldn’t have added a new gamemode. Queue times wouldn’t suddenly increase by 2 minutes. It’ll barely change.

“Farming” in mmo’s is considered the most efficient way to grind out something. There’s not enough premades in the game to “farm” anyone. If there’s no other premades, the team would be waiting for 10m at a time. A very inefficient way to reach legendary.

Reh.5986:

DH moving and acting normal pulls out a full ji and burst rotation in fractions of a second. People practice those rotations so I expect decent players to be fast + Internet can play some neat tricks. I’ve run into a couple that I was pretty sure of though. Really popular for thieves in wvw for example. Steal cnd backstab is an easy one. For me that’s just r51 so wouldn’t be too fancy anyway.

On that note, I can camera pan directly behind me while auto attacking in front of me. My Tab key is the Enemy toggle, a single press will usually target the person i’m looking at or i’ll just click off target and press Tab. That’s an instant Judges + ToF + Smite conditon on a new target I wasn’t even facing.

Macros is a lazy way of doing what many players can already do efficiently.

Azukas.1426:

Saiyan.1704:

Macros are in every game thanks to gaming mouse but, GW2 benefits very little from them compared to other mmos.

You really can’t have an advantage unless you play Mesmer and you don’t have the physical finger rotations to hit your 1-5 function keys efficiently. Extra keys on a gaming mouse does the job. No one ever needs a program for a single key press doing multiple functions.

Guardian, Engineering, Ele, Warrior, and Rev all benefit from macros……

No, they don’t. There’s no advantages at all compared to players who just have extra buttons on a mouse.

There was maybe 1 macro on core guardian that instantly popped all virtues while using renewed focus.. that’s because we didn’t want to take the time to remember and press virtues before they get renewed. It was hardly an advantage and you can’t do that on DH.

Macros are in every game thanks to gaming mouse but, GW2 benefits very little from them compared to other mmos.

You really can’t have an advantage unless you play Mesmer and you don’t have the physical finger rotations to hit your 1-5 function keys efficiently. Extra keys on a gaming mouse does the job. No one ever needs a program for a single key press doing multiple functions.

Just a bad bunker thief build that’s apparently useful in soloQ against a team with poor rotations. And he’s fighting a bunker Guardian.

Still trying to find what you think is impressive here.

I think they’re adding the map in rotation because comments in general ceased. That’s usually an indication that the map is ‘ok’. Even Spirit still had negative views here and there.

Skyhammer after the platform changes became one of my fav maps so, I definitely have no issues with it in rotation.

Excuse me if i’m… skeptical, but that looks like a smudge where I have the red circle. And if you were to zoom in, there’s a very pixelated box. I took a similar picture of my fps to compare.

Sounds like you’re wanting an entirely new class instead. A lot of what you’re wanting is not going to be implemented for just our loveable Guardian. If we get a Spear, what will other classes get? Trident?

SPESHAL.9106:

Gaile Gray.6029:

A message from the PvP Team:

We wanted to give you a quick heads-up regarding some changes coming to the Ranked Arena map pool for Season 5.

• Skyhammer will be added to Ranked Arena on a trial basis.
  • Reasoning: The current iteration of Skyhammer is a far cry from what it was when it was released in 2013. We’ve made an effort to remove gameplay elements that prevented it from being a competitive map, such as deaths from fall damage and unavoidable secondary mechanics. We’re looking forward to seeing how this map performs in the ranked environment and will be keeping an eye on your feedback throughout the season.
• Battle for Champion’s Dusk (Stronghold) will be removed from Ranked Arena.
  • Reasoning: One of our main goals for the revamp of leagues is to make divisions a more accurate reflection of skill. Unfortunately, it’s difficult to achieve this goal when players can opt out of playing an entire game mode within the league system and never face a significant proportion of the PvP player base. That said, we’ll be removing Stronghold for Season 5 while we evaluate the game mode for ranked play for future seasons.

Let me get this straight…A map that has been in rotation for several seasons is being removed instead of fixed??? Now we are provided with even less diversity in game play versus more.

It’s a gamemode that needs it’s own pip league structure because they’re two completely game modes. But… it’s not popular; it doesn’t have nearly the player base for a whole new pip system so that’s an unfortunate, unrealistic, choice.

It should be removed until fixed. Anet is doing right by this.

Sir Black.7423:

I actually kinda dislike reward structures based on number of wins because of how I feel it encourages this “give up early, try again sooner” way of playing. But ANet keeps doing it, so here we are…

On that point, why can’t Anet include a time played requirement per match as part of these reward structures? If you leave early or receive a report for boting, afk, match manipulation, etc. Then you wont receive credit.

Anet could easily implement a new voting system that after a 3 player majority vote, you get dishonorable with 0 reward credit for the current match.

Good changes.
/15charlizards

xiao.2614:

When season starts I’ll posy here how many matches it takes to get legendary.

Utilizing just a burn build in soloQ? That would actually be interesting

I like to admire the Dev for actually posting the build he runs. That’s like.. beyond a rarity on these forums. Like drinking nectar from the Pale Tree.

If you think it’s a fun build then it doesn’t matter what our opinions are.

If you’re asking whether or not it’s good compared to meta power dh, it’s not, and that goes for all guardian burn builds. Other classes do it better and your soft counters in tpvp just increased from 3 to 5.

You can use almost any build and grind your way to Legendary.

xeonage.1253:

I can say: New player NO any chance

PVP before HoT is fine. But after HoT, this just a suck game like WoW.

PvP before HoT = HoT with 0 core builds… i mean, that’s the equivalent. Anet promised false prophets.

OP is feeling the high skill cap that Revs are. They didn’t balance the class on how well moderate players use them. Anet balanced them by how well pros perform on the class.

• If you die to DH 1v1 then you’re doing something wrong.
• If a team prefers a Thief over you then you’re doing something wrong.
• If you die faster than a Necro then you’re doing something wrong.

This isn’t speculation, Revs really do have a high skill cap and Rev pros (though they tryhard) are really op at the moment.

Enemy Necro icon should be visible on the minimap at all times.

MAKE IT HAPPEN ANET.

Crinn.7864:

ESL players do not play against new players. The MMR gap will never allow it.

The system is fine and needs no changes.

Though I agree with everything else, high mmr players have to play with somebody. I’ve played with and against every single person who goes soloQ and has competed in the esl. That doesn’t mean i’m anywhere near their level, i’m just saying no one else is and the system can be very flawed when calculating mmr.

We should just accept that this is a 4 year old game that was in development years before its announcement. I agree that it should probably incorporate numerous technologies other games have but right now, it’s simply not realistic for Anet to add such a huge feature; especially when it doesn’t have a consistent cash flow like other subscription MMOs.

Ithilwen.1529:

It’s pretty easy to perceive sometimes that you are simply going to be stomped.

It’s not, and that’s a very bad mentality to carry around.

GW2’s solo matchmaking and Overwatch are very similiar in this situation. In both games you have players who want to quit after the first initial mid wipe or first round loss. In both forums, players like myself disagree that quitting early is a bad state of mind and is toxic to the game overall.

This isn’t a moba where you’ve lost resources and you’re literally fighting players who got put on steroids by eating your teamates. The only “quit” button a player deserves is an “alt+f4” and dishonor that comes with.

Largest score range comeback in soloq i’ve been in was a 75 to 300 lead on Foefire. We finally won a mid skirmish fight and that snowballed the rest of the game. We held 2 points all game and even held a 3 cap for a second.

Because there’s a chance, there’s no reason for players to afk… especially if they’re only down by 100 points.

Iain Ross.6903:

mrauls.6519:

I wish I could kill an evenly skilled Rev as a Guardian…

It does

It absolutely does not, at least, not in 1v1’s where both have equal footing. A good Rev will demolish a good DH every time. In conquest we (maybe?) have the advantage if we land our bursts first.

I can list at least 3 good meta rev players who can kill any meta dh build 1v1. Amber league, sure, dh wins.

Let’s not unintentionally raise our egos here. There are esl players who make terrible duelists and vice versa; the best duelists don’t always equate to excellent Conquest players.

Condi Power Prec Vita!

Limiting an amulet for only a few classes is a good way to kitten people off. I think it’s a bad idea, it further limits build diversity and it’s a poor solution to address class balances.

Shadowstep.6049:

I soloed some DHs in diamond/legend on thief because they were bad and got carried by the build in divisions where they don’t belong. This video doesn’t show anything but that better player can still win game with handicap (e.g. thief vs dhs) vs worse players.

I agree but I will say, a lot of players simply grinded to Legendary on X build. I say X build because.. you can literally pick any build in the game and hit Legendary. Regardless of the DH full yolo trapper build or full bunker thief build or zerker Necro build… it’s odds of probability. It can and will happen after 250+ games.

It’s not fair to the DH in the video because… i’m not one to talk bad about anyone here. But those DH are equivalent to 6 out of 10 skill level vs 8/10 skill level players. It’s clear that you’re not even sweating in this game when a Warrior should struggle vs a DH as well as your comp.

That said, a lot of players on this forum needs to see this because there’s a huge difference between pug yolo bad players and legitimate Legendary Esports players… DH was NEVER op in the upper premade leagues. The class was a borderlined 5th pick when it came to premades and anyone who says “DH needs nerf” should have been complaining about matchmaking instead – or they’re just very very bad players.

TL;DR
There’s nothing to be proud of in this video other than showcasing players on the forum are overly dramatic about the “dh hype”. It’s more like a “they’re always stacked up and annoying to see every match” type thing. If it was 1 DH per team, there wouldn’t be any QQ posts on DH in S4.

GhandiBot.6257:

Still the strongest 1v1 spec

It’s not.

GhandiBot.6257:

Terribly designed in terms of mechanics, being able to put out good pressure and damage while playing passive due to low CDs on defensive skills is really, really dumb.

You literally just described Revenant.

NotASmurf.1725:

Saiyan.1704:

Lord Hammer Hand.4815:

which of the 2 build do people consider OP or broken?

Neither. Players complain about full trap DH.

Full trap DH is nothing but a l2p issue.

I’m not saying it’s not, i’m saying that’s what the complaints are about.

Lord Hammer Hand.4815:

which of the 2 build do people consider OP or broken?

Neither. Players complain about full trap DH.

1v1
Give a Thief enough time and he can kill a DH assuming they’re equal skilled players. If thief avoids ToF, F1 pull and true shot, he has a chance because thereafter he can reign on DH’s parade due to burning off all his cd.

There’s only a couple Thief builds that can potentially kill a DH, but none can consistently beat a DH.. unless they have all the time in the world to reset fights AKA WvW.

SPvP
There’s no reason to ever 1v1 a DH, we’re basically their soft counter unless they come to +1 us.
If it’s,
“easy to kill a DH using >insert build<”
then that DH was bad in every sense of the word.

Xaylin.1860:

You are complaining about Defenders Dogma not doing anything if you’re at full charge.

That’s not my complaint. My complaint is that Defender’s Dogma is negligible for what it’s meant to do. It all comes downs to build diversity so i’m not sure why you’re oppose to it.

Xaylin.1860:

When HoT was released DH no longer offered much for condition builds offensive-wise. It’s a design decision. Therefore, expecting the traitline provide anything good for offense to condition builds doesn’t make much sense.

Pigeonhole everyone in using just 1 build is a terrible design decision. If you’re fine with their design decisions then that’s your opinion and I wont continue on with this conversation but i’ll just assume you’d want build diversity like the rest of the community.

I’m not in disagreement that we shouldn’t buff Core trait lines; there’s a lot of core items that needs buffing. For Burn Guardian though, Radiance isn’t something that should be looked at – it’s what’s lacking in the other treelines that does poorly in supporting what’s already there in Radiance & Virtues.

Speaking of PvP

Xaylin.1860:

Saiyan.1704:

Buffing Condi DH Tree
Defender’s Dogma trait needs a Stack Effect similar to Rev’s Enchanted Daggers. If F1 is already charged, receiving a charge via block consumes it completely, essentially not giving any burn stacks at all. It’s either a glitch or a counter intuitive design flaw that does nothing for condi guard in DH tree.

Isn’t it like arguing that, for example, Selfless Daring is pointless when at full health?

Warrior’s healing signet is pointless at full health. Not sure what you’re getting at.

Xaylin.1860:

While I get your point, I personally think Defenders Dogma is fine. It helps with slower weapons and synergizes with Aegis. Letting it stack burns could cause major issues with stuff like Shelter unless you are duelling and will most likely cause it to get a cooldown.

Defender’s dogma is terrible in every sense of the word. It simply does not raise your DPS at all and is counter intuitive. It can be deleted and DH Condi build’s (there isn’t one) performance would remain unaltered.

Xaylin.1860:

Since they removed Bleeding from DH during the BWs DH isn’t much about conditions anymore to begin with. You can get those traits in Radiance and Virtues. Plus, your suggestion poops on Amplified Wrath which should be way better than Defenders Dogma. But it isn’t.

The reason core Burn Burst poops on DH equivalent builds is because there’s nothing in the DH tree to complement burns at all. Condi Guard benefits from only sustains in the DH tree and with a 900p/900v/1200c amulet (carrion), we don’t need more sustains.

A theoretical 3 burn stack on Dogma will fill (hopefully) the condi dps that’s missing in DH tree if one were to go Virt/Val/DH or even more bursty with Virt/Radi/DH. It’s equivocal to comparing Core Power vs DH Power builds. It just makes sense.

Since we’re on the diversity topic, similar changes should happen for Bunker DH too.

I’m not a huge fan of Spirit Weapons or any AI utility item but, they can be buffed in a way that isn’t cancerous or “non-skillful” in style.

• Spirit weapons in general have terrible strafing movements when following a target. When they attack, the animation takes half a second, missing the target completely. This should be addressed because if you increase Spirit Weapon’s damages by 50% and it looks OP on paper… it isn’t.. because they can’t hit anyone for it to count.
• The sSword activation skill roots the Sword in place. It does little to no damage for such a poor skill. I rather it be on a 5sec icd, have the sword recover from the root faster, and lower its damages in compensation. Give DH a higher apm when it comes to activating certain abilities because micro-managing abilities takes skill to do efficiently.
• sHammer activation is ‘ok’ but just like the sword, I like there to be a lower cd activation while lowering its damages in compensation.

Lastly, the healing Spirit weapons receive from allies (from the Guardian specifically) needs to be increased by 40% so they don’t get 1 shot.

Buffing Condi DH Tree
Defender’s Dogma trait needs a Stack Effect similar to Rev’s Enchanted Daggers. If F1 is already charged, receiving a charge via block consumes it completely, essentially not giving any burn stacks at all. It’s either a glitch or a counter intuitive design flaw that does nothing for condi guard in DH tree.

Ever fought an Engi + Ranger + Druid comp? It’s a good change.

BlaqueFyre.5678:

DH changes were healthy for the game and don’t break the class like Revenant ED issues…

Rev changes didn’t break the class at all. He’s still top 3 picks over War, DH, & Thief.

Brahnan.1026:

I’m weeping tears of sorrow for your still OP class.

DH was never OP, just faceroll in Amber leagues…something that should have been looked at but wasn’t.

Interpret Interrupt.3824:

It was bad design. Having skills that do not miss ever is bad design.

Mechanically speaking, all of HoT was bad design but it wasn’t the concept; on a skill standpoint, it was how faceroll each and every class became.