Hi Seera.5916, thank you for letting me clarify.
If I had known that I would get a character slot for free with the Standard Edition at the time of purchase I would not have paid an extra £45 for a further character slot, 4000 gems (which were advertised as being sold at a discount), a miniture, glider skin and guild hall decoration.
As stated above, I have no use for a 10th character slot whatsoever.
My issue is with the change of terms here, I paid for 4000 gems at a discount. Essentially if you give me a character slot for free I’ve paid full price for the gems and gained a character slot that is of absolutely no use to me.
I would not have paid for the Ultimate edition under these terms, I would have bought Standard. Again, my problem is that what I have paid for has changed and is no longer a good deal to me.
The resolution I’ve posted here is one which I would be happy to accept and allows Anet to keep the Ultimate payment I’ve made for further development of the game. Suiting the both of us.
But they didn’t remove anything so you didn’t lose money by the change. They aren’t going to give you more gems in exchange for the character slot. You would have to refund the entire Ultimate collection and if you used any of the gifts from that, you’re probably out of luck (namely unlocking the mini and using the character slot or buying any account upgrades or using items purchased with the $4000 gems). And then buy the Standard edition. Forfeiting all of the extra goodies.
So instead of getting:
HoT
1 character slot
1 miniature
1 glider skin
1 guild hall decoration
4000 gems
you are getting the following because you’re a veteran for no extra charge:
HoT
2 character slots
1 miniature
1 glider skin
1 guild hall decoration
4000 gems.
I’m not seeing how what you’re getting means you’re losing money. You’re actually getting more bang for your buck.
Which means your option 1 is void as you’ve not lost any money.
And your option 2 is just ludicrous. You’re asking ANet to give you the Ultimate package for the Deluxe price?!
The problem with that is, it could be damaging to the game’s economy if suddenly that many gems got turned into gold by too many players who decided that the gold was worth more than the character slot.
While fighting Subject Alpha, as soon as you see the red circles on the ground, you want to count to 3 and then dodge. Additionally some classes have their own defensive skills that they can use (for example, Ranger has Signet of Stone, Lightning Reflexes and GS #3).
If your group isn’t stacking, you need to destroy the pink crystals that trap your teammates as soon as you can. If your group is stacking you will probably get the crystals down anyway due to all the cleave/AoE.
And that’s pretty much it. The boss also spawns fingers but generally those aren’t really a threat.
Edit: I think in P1 the boss also does occasionally a long range spike attack. If you’re far away you can easily dodge it, but you can also avoid it at melee range if you’re fast enough. I can’t remember how often he does it but I think it’s in between meele attacks and the big red circles. Again, I’m not 100% sure so don’t quote me on this.
And if you are out of dodges, try getting out of the range of the red circles if you can.
And knowing of those one shot hits, try to avoid using dodges except for those one shots.
GW2’s pre-purchase began exactly 2 months prior to the release. HoT’s pre-purchase began June 16.
Just sayin’.
Do you have a source for this? I’m not saying it’s not true, I just was unsuccessful in trying to find a date for the pre-purchases when I looked a couple days ago. The only thing I could find was:
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Beta#Stress_tests
Where it says: “Public stress tests were open to all players who have pre-purchased a copy of Guild Wars 2” and then “The first public stress test was on 14th of May, 2012”.
The release of GW2 was August 28th (or 25th for head start or something right?), which would mean pre-purchases were available for at least 3 months. Unless I’m missing something?
Edit: I also thought BWE1, BWE2, & BWE3 were only available to pre-purchases and the first was in April. I can’t find a source for who was allowed into those though.
At least BWE3 was open to people who got invites and pre-purchase players did get more than one invite. I did not pre-purchase GW2 until after BWE3 was over and I participated in BWE3. I was given a key by my brother who had pre-purchased GW2 prior to the BWE’s.
The standard edition will be available in a “boxed copy” version from some authorized retailers. Some of those retailers are engaged in the pre-purchase program. Others are offering a pre-order, which is not the same thing and will not gain the benefits of the actual pre-purchase.
Hope this helps!
You can upgrade to the Deluxe through the in-game store. The only boxes are Standard.
So if I buy a boxed copy from a local store and apply the code to my account, I can then go to the gem store and get the Ultimate Edition there for $50 more?
also can you give us a list of the authorized retailers or something
Thanks.
No. You can only upgrade to Deluxe. If you want Ultimate, you’ll have to get a digital copy and forgo the box.
Umm. The refund is not an auto-refund. Its up to you if you want it
and just to point it out in your post
we will automatically refund what you paid for the core game should you decide to pre-purchase Guild Wars 2: Heart of Thorns from our website or in-game store any time through July 31, 2015.
That’s the thing. The OP wants to pre-purchase HoT so that they can participate in more beta events. But the OP obviously feels they’ve gotten $10 worth of enjoyment out of it and don’t mind not getting refunded that money.
Evaara, what you could do is when the refund comes through is buy $10 worth of gems.
Or gamble that there won’t be any beta events in July and not pre-purchase until August 1.
I think they should add a Borg cube pet. With phasers.
“it’s over 9000!”
moving on.
No. It’s Reistance is futile.
you get a free character slot no matter what version you bought (deluxe and ultimate get extra charater slot on top of the one listed too), so I’m not seeing a problem.
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/hot/Pre-Purchase-Community-Address/page/2#post5189475
Some people bought the Deluxe edition because it had a character slot and not for the other goodies. And they do not have a need for another character slot. Those people are upset.
That is one reason why I was waiting to see what ANet did.
Why do you feel this way?
No. There’s no cost being covered by the players. What part of the concept of a bonus do you not understand?
What part do you don’t understand? The cost of the bonus is always covered by someone – and it’s always the customer, not the seller. The “free if you buy” kind of bonus is never free, it’s just its price has been moved onto something else, to give you an illusion you receive something for free.
Then you don’t have an understanding of what a bonus or sale is. I guess you assume that the costs from a buy one gent one free sale gets passed onto the customer. I guess you assume that anything that gives you 33% more gets passed onto the customer.
The costs do get passed on to customers. Maybe they marked the prices of the shoes up by 33% a few months ago in anticipation of the BOGO (companies set sales well in advance).
Maybe they hope you’ll buy the other overpriced accessories in the store. The socks, the shoe care items.
The cost of the expansion being free for new players is/was passed onto us customers, new and old. Maybe there were so many gem sales prior to this that they can afford to give the base away between those gem sales and predictions that enough new players will also buy plenty of gems.
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Let’ review.
When Arena Net announced the pre-purchase of HoT the community was divided. Those who accepted and those who didn’t. Here are the problems:
1. The price – The expansion costs 45 euro. If you don’t have the core game you get it for free (or so they say). When the game came out it also cost about the same. So why does the expansion cost so much if it is only an expansion?
2. The amount of content – HoT < GW2. There is simply no way that an expansion has the same amount of content as the core game (without updates). We know of a few new features and nothing else. That brings us to…
3. Lack of information – Most of us can’t just buy the expansion for such a high price without any information on what we are buying. At least this can be solved by simply waiting.
4. False advertising – Before announcing HoT Arena Net told new players that they have to have the core game in order to play the expansion. The made people buy the game in order to get into the world of GW2 so they can be prepared when the expansion comes out. They put the game on sales throughout the past year to make the game more appealing. Now people who bought the game more than 30 days ago (or didn’t use the site) can’t get their money back in order to buy the expansion and get the game for free.
5. What current players get – We don’t know exactly what the expansion will include. All we get are sneak previews. But we do know that there will be a new profession. But we don’t get an extra character slot with the standard pack. We have to either: already have a free slot; buy and additional slot; delete a character; in order to play the new profession. That is a slap in the face for people who spent time developing all their characters and can’t afford to spend even more money for a new slot.
6. Poor communication – This has been going on for days (almost a week) and there has been no response what so ever on the issues that people have.
(feel free to add if I’ve missed something)
So what do we want? Well I can’t speak for everyone on this but what I want for my 45 euro of unknown content is: a character slot, some gems. That’s it.
1., 2., & 3. It costs that much because that’s what ANet values HoT at. They do have an issue of not communicating enough details about HoT for everyone to see it worth that much.
4. It’s not false advertising. You still need the base game to play HoT. They’ve just bundled the two together in one key. Not having something in place to quickly copy & paste onto the forums for those who did purchase withing the past 30-60 days was the mistake here. To me, they also still haven’t officially announced that because it’s not on the official forum. ANet needs to learn to post things on more than just every site but the official forums. We shouldn’t have to post a link to a post on Reddit from a dev about what they are doing for those who purchased recently. It is however shady given they’ve done sales of the game recently.
5. While not all MMO’s give free character slots when they add new professions, ANet did give free character slots in GW1 when they released content that added new professions. And to those saying it’s because it’s a standalone, they could have coded it such that “If own Prophecies, add 0 character slots”. They should have realized not having a character slot in the standard edition was not likely to go over well, especially considering points 2 & 3 that you brought up.
6. The longer it goes without an official statement, the more damage will be done. If they go too long, even if it is the perfect solution, people will be at a point where it’s just too late to change their opinion.
so you prefer spend a meal price to buy a coke….???? at Mcdonalds
no, on contrary, I believe that the core-game price IS inside of that 50$ somewhere. I don’t know what that price is for Anet, but it is there.
Not necessarily. Grocery stores constantly have sodas on sale at such a price that on the soda alone they lose money. But the items they purchase when they come into the store make enough profit that they make up the loss of money from the soda.
So they could value HoT at $50 and take the loss on the base. Knowing enough new players will buy the Deluxe or Ultimate editions and others will purchase copious amounts of gems during the time that they play.
$50 for a new players is so reasonable… why we need to pay full price for expansion.
its like you having a Big Mac. and you want a Coke. you have to pay a Big Mac Meal price…….
if you are veteran already purchased think about. you happy to pay a full Meal price to JUST have a Coke?
But that’s the thing, I don’t have to pay the meal price to get just a Big Mac and a Coke.
And I would only pay the meal price for something if the meal price is cheaper than the sum of the items in the meal that I wanted in the first place.
And in the case of the Big Mac meal being the same price as the Big Mac and Coke separate, I get a bonus then. The fries. Meals at McDonald’s come with fries.
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I just want to put my voice in here, and I know I’m late to the party, but as someone who has been playing Guild Wars for 8 years (both 1 and 2) I am sorely disappointed in ANET for slapping its vet players in the face. We are the ones who have kept the game going and profitable for them.
I completely understand they want to encourage new people to come check out the game, and I understand their reasoning for including the base game in the expansion. HOWEVER, they should have either had a combo price for that or have a different benefit for those who already have an account. It seems ridiculous that new players get 5 free character slots while vet players get….crickets?
I have normally been very supportive of ANET in the past. Guild Wars 1 and all its expansions were not a disappointment by any stretch of the imagination, it was fantastic. Guild Wars 2 base game was all it promised to be and more. There have been some experiments that didn’t go well, but they have normally done a great job of taking care of their core players who keep playing this game everyday.
I am hoping ANET will give us a response, even if it is something to the effect “We have heard you and are looking into a better solution” would be better than the echos of our frustration going around. I know they don’t want to speak out of turn or make things worse, but ANET please, you’ve had sufficient time to look at this and realize that your good intentions have backfired. I know you guys are good at coming up with solutions that work for everyone, just let us know what you’re doing to improve the situation. Thanks!
The devs have posted at least once saying that they are listening to feedback and passing it along to the appropriate people.
Ascended gear is supposed to take time, just like a Legendary is supposed to take time. I like the fact that there are benefits to crafting it or having it as a good drop; it at least means something. Doing what you suggest with purchasable stats skirts the “Pay To Win” line a little to close for my taste. I’ve seen and done that, and no thanks. I’m glad certain things take time to get.
This.
Ascended gear was added at least in large part to the devs not realizing how quickly everyone and their mother would have exotic gear. Your suggestion goes against that reasoning.
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And you’re assuming that ANet doesn’t value the price of HoT at $50.
It doesn’t matter what Anet values the price of HoT at. It’s what the the consumer base values HoT at that matters. If they don’t feel it’s worth the price they aren’t buying it and Anet isn’t making any money.
Doesn’t mean they can’t value it at $50, even if a majority of players don’t value it at $50.
If the majority don’t think it’s worth $50, then ANet will have a choice: hope the minority purchasing HoT and gems, and the majority just buying gems will be enough to keep the company making a profit and leaving the pricing as is; lowering the price; and/or adding value to game either by adding goodies and/or releasing more information.
It’s just like name brand $100+ purses. I don’t value a purse at anywhere near $100, yet there are several purses out there that are $100 or more. The company obviously values them at a very high price. I don’t. And there’s nothing wrong with that.
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And you’re assuming that ANet doesn’t value the price of HoT at $50.
For sure because its not worth that. The amount of content coming with it is minimal for a expansion. They are just trying to milk this expansion as much as possible.
You don’t value it at $50. ANet may value the content (some of which we likely don’t know about) at $50.
What you value the expansion at doesn’t suddenly make that what everyone values it at including ANet.
How can you claim the amount of content justifies the price?! Thats kittenin crazy. Honestly youre just a white knight so there is no point in arguing with you.
Where in my post did I say I valued it at $50?
All I said was ANet may value it at $50.
But yes, I would be happy to buy HoT at possibly the $75 mark. I feel I could get 75 hours of enjoyment out of HoT exclusive content and what the Deluxe package offers. I’m still personally debating on whether I can afford the $100 pack or not.
I’m personally waiting to see what if anything Anet does about this whole situation just in case it’s only for people who haven’t already pre-purchased. There’s no huge item that pre-purchasing gives you. Just guaranteed beta access and a title.
Edit to add: And just because I think I will get $75 out of it, doesn’t make me a white knight.
If youre saying you would buy it for $75 then that means you think the price is justified.
You called me a white knight for thinking the price was justified before I said the pricing was justified.
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And you’re assuming that ANet doesn’t value the price of HoT at $50.
For sure because its not worth that. The amount of content coming with it is minimal for a expansion. They are just trying to milk this expansion as much as possible.
You don’t value it at $50. ANet may value the content (some of which we likely don’t know about) at $50.
What you value the expansion at doesn’t suddenly make that what everyone values it at including ANet.
How can you claim the amount of content justifies the price?! Thats kittenin crazy. Honestly youre just a white knight so there is no point in arguing with you.
Where in my post did I say I valued it at $50?
All I said was ANet may value it at $50.
But yes, I would be happy to buy HoT at possibly the $75 mark. I feel I could get 75 hours of enjoyment out of HoT exclusive content and what the Deluxe package offers. I’m still personally debating on whether I can afford the $100 pack or not.
I’m personally waiting to see what if anything Anet does about this whole situation just in case it’s only for people who haven’t already pre-purchased. There’s no huge item that pre-purchasing gives you. Just guaranteed beta access and a title.
Edit to add: And just because I think I will get $75 out of it, doesn’t make me a white knight.
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And you’re assuming that ANet doesn’t value the price of HoT at $50.
For sure because its not worth that. The amount of content coming with it is minimal for a expansion. They are just trying to milk this expansion as much as possible.
You don’t value it at $50. ANet may value the content (some of which we likely don’t know about) at $50.
What you value the expansion at doesn’t suddenly make that what everyone values it at including ANet.
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OMG, people are still going on about this? Have you ever played wow,ff14 or any non f2p with expansion? They all do more or less the same thing, and those are p2p games. You also should not buy any new release video game in the future too cause eventually they go on sale and you spent way more than new players. Gosh.
It will likely keep going until ANet says something about it. Then there will be responses to that before it calms down. Depending on what they say will determine how quickly or how much it dies down.
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And you’re assuming that ANet doesn’t value the price of HoT at $50.
It’s not false advertising. You do still need the base game to play HoT. Since they decided, apparently last minute, to bundle the base game with HoT, that question on the FAQ became unneeded.
Not doing that ahead of time or announcing that they would offer refunds for anyone who bought the base game in the last X month/days/since HoT was announced on the day they posted the pre-purchase details and changed the FAQ, is a bit on the shady side. But not illegal.
No to having to pay for membership into a guild or into a guild alliance. And definitely not half of what I get. Not everyone plays the trading post or farms with the intent of getting large amounts of gold. Some days, I only get a few silver because I don’t care about how fast I amass gold. But I sure don’t want to be forced to give up half of what I earn to a guild. Even if the guild was the perfect fit for me. And there should not be a title related to that. All that title would say is “I’m so rich I can afford to give away half of what I make each day.”
People are putting way to much into this build feature, I’m thinking that this is going to be more crafting than building. I don’t think this is going to be a sandbox type system but pre defined item you can use as decoration that you craft and place in the guild hall. The way it looks now there will be only 2 guild halls to pick from, but these halls look massive more like a guild city so there should be plenty of room for all to decorate in.
They did mention that at least the Deluxe guild hall decorations could be placed in random spots. I know they mentioned the possibility of people laying out the vines to make a maze.
And just because they’res a large space to build in, doesn’t mean a large guild would be willing to just let everyone have access to decorating it. Especially if getting decorations costs any of the various guild currencies.
http://www.amazon.de/Guild-Wars-Heart-Thorns-Vorverkaufsbox/dp/B00SN5JM6W
Looks awfully official to me, NCsoft offering a pre-order that will become a pre-purchase on Tuesday, working the same way as ANet’s offer.
Chris isn’t saying that all 3rd party offerings are bad. He’s just saying some are and to be careful and make sure you trust that the site you’re buying from will give you a legit key.
You will be able to build/decorate your guild hall, just talk to the leaders of your guild. In my guild we pretty much all trust each other and we talk outside of the guild so I see no reason why one of us wouldn’t be allowed to decorate our guild hall.
I think you are associating the ability to do something within your guild with the game as a whole. If you are in a guild where the leaders don’t trust you with responsibilities like decorating a shared guild space, you have to talk to them about that.
Aside from that the guild halls aren’t for individual people, the npcs and functions are to help the guild as a whole =)
You are not being realistic. I been in mmos with features like this. Guild leaders dont let everybody use the feature. Thats why games with those features usually have personal versions of it to allow everybody to express their artistic freedoms. What may be art to me may not be to your guild leader and mates… simple as that.
Most guilds will be using restrictions limits and i guarantee that.
Lilyandra’s guild may be a smaller guild where they can and do know and trust everyone to not be immature with the design.
But I’m talking probably under 10-15 members at max. Maybe 25 if they’ve been together for longer than GW2.
But larger guilds, no way. Way too many chances for two players who don’t know each other to have opposing design ideas to butt heads and cause drama. Even if their ideas aren’t immature.
That’s the thing. Guilds are basically clubs in game.
If I was a member, just a member, not an officer or anything, of a book club that met in a coffee shop, but I hated the meetings being there, I can’t suddenly say it’s going to be a library because that’s where I want it. I can tell the club leader that I would prefer the quieter library for the book club over the coffee shop.
A guild hall will be a representation of the guild. New members will see that and it will reflect on the guild. If I was a guild leader, I wouldn’t let anyone and everyone have access to the design. I’d leave it to my officers but have a spot on the guild website for member ideas for the guild hall.
What server?
I didn’t think server mattered for PvE but I’m on Tarnished Coast.
Region matters. NA servers can’t talk with EU servers.
Server used to matter for about 8% of map completion before they removed WvW from it.
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If you think about it, many of us spend a good $50 heck, even $60 on a new game. Take Fallout 4 for example. If they had announced Fallout 4 a day before it released, no one would need to know ANY details about the game because players know Bethesda and they know that they truly deliver on their games. Players trust Bethesda which in turn makes them LOTS of money.
Please don’t speak for me. I need to know what I’m getting when I give a company my hard earned money. I don’t blindly give anyone money.
And you shouldn’t give money to any company blindly, who’s asking you to? I don’t think you should preorder the game if you’re not satisfied with it’s value. But there’s enough info, obviously, for some people to have made up their mind. If you’re not one of them, you’re entitled to wait and make a judgement as more info gets released. So what’s the problem?
OP said if Bethesda announced Fallout 4 the day before release that people wouldn’t need to know any information about it before handing over money. I’ve highlighted the important sentence.
If you think about it, many of us spend a good $50 heck, even $60 on a new game. Take Fallout 4 for example. If they had announced Fallout 4 a day before it released, no one would need to know ANY details about the game because players know Bethesda and they know that they truly deliver on their games. Players trust Bethesda which in turn makes them LOTS of money.
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If you think about it, many of us spend a good $50 heck, even $60 on a new game. Take Fallout 4 for example. If they had announced Fallout 4 a day before it released, no one would need to know ANY details about the game because players know Bethesda and they know that they truly deliver on their games. Players trust Bethesda which in turn makes them LOTS of money.
Please don’t speak for me. I need to know what I’m getting when I give a company my hard earned money. I don’t blindly give anyone money.
And not everyone who is upset with the pricing scheme is upset because they can’t afford it.
I just haven’t seen enough of HoT to say that I’m not getting the proverbial finger by having pre-purchased the original game. Money is tight with me. I can budget out $50-$75 easily for a one time purchase.
There’s currently nothing in the game that I have gotten that I would miss if I had bought the game today.
So it really seems like new players are getting a LOT more bang for their buck with this purchase. If I knew more about HoT and could place it’s value at a higher amount than I do, it would lessen the sting of the bundle.
And there isn’t even all that good of a reason to pre-purchase. I don’t want to spoil HoT by playing the beta and a title isn’t all that special. I only played the beta for GW2 base because I had never played an MMO before and I wanted to try out the game before I bought it.
Do they have to respond? No. Should they? Yes. Even if the response is to tell the complaining players that nothing is going to change. And even just to say that they’re still discussing the options and have to weigh how easy the resolution is to apply, especially to those who have already purchased the game. And the latter one needs to be restated every few days.
1. Not responding means the side that wants ANet to go further has hope that things may change. Because nothing concrete has been said. This is especially true given ANet’s lack of communication on anything they are doing with the game. So they post and post in hopes to sway the company to do something in their favor.
2. The longer they don’t respond, the worse the damage from the event will be. And you can only discuss it for so long before players will think they’re just stalling to let the worst of the storm blow over before they pop out with a resolution. Especially if that resolution is not what those upset are looking for.
I’m not surprised it’s taking them time to react to this situation. They were trying to hype things up at E3 and it backfired. Catching them off guard would be an understatement and big companies aren’t able to react quickly in cases like this. Too many things have to go through too many people to make decisions, it’s a process that takes time. I’m sure there a bunch of people working overtime to make a decision and to formulate a proper statement and when it is ready they will come out a say it. The last thing they want is to come out, say the wrong thing and make things worst than they already are.
Given their past history, I’m not surprised either. But that doesn’t mean that the longer it takes for them to post a response the worse the damage control will have to be.
I for one, am glad they didn’t post an immediate solution. It means it’s not a knee jerk reaction to the PR and the solution will hopefully be something that pleases the most players of all possible and reasonable solutions.
I am sitting on the fence right now and watching how this debacle unravels before I make my decision on the expansion.
This has become a huge media storm:
http://kotaku.com/players-are-kittened-over-guild-wars-2-expansion-pricing-1712551999
http://www.pcgamer.com/guild-wars-2-players-rightly-upset-by-heart-of-thorns-pre-purchase-scheme/
http://www.vg247.com/2015/06/19/guild-wars-2-heart-of-thorns-price-pc/just to name a few…
I want to know how ArenaNet would respond to this, or if they do respond at all.
Anet don’t have to response, they have done nothing wrong. People are just over reacting.
Do they have to respond? No. Should they? Yes. Even if the response is to tell the complaining players that nothing is going to change. And even just to say that they’re still discussing the options and have to weigh how easy the resolution is to apply, especially to those who have already purchased the game. And the latter one needs to be restated every few days.
1. Not responding means the side that wants ANet to go further has hope that things may change. Because nothing concrete has been said. This is especially true given ANet’s lack of communication on anything they are doing with the game. So they post and post in hopes to sway the company to do something in their favor.
2. The longer they don’t respond, the worse the damage from the event will be. And you can only discuss it for so long before players will think they’re just stalling to let the worst of the storm blow over before they pop out with a resolution. Especially if that resolution is not what those upset are looking for.
To keep the question simple: the FAQ basically states that next week, normal/deluxe version (not ultimate) will be available EVERYWHERE except in non certified retailers with pre-purchase bonus. This counters your post with ‘currently only’ + some words in a sentence. Plz nulify this confusion. Thanks.
How does that contradict itself?
Currently you can only pre-purchase HoT online. In the future on a specific, already specified day, it will be available in certain other places. That’s not a contradiction.
Currently means now. In the future is not now.
Ult HoT has no savings if the slot was includ
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Posted by: Seera.5916
Actually this game is all about the cosmetic items, otherwise why get a legendary, new armor, or bother to mix and match armor, have a mini, buy anything from the gem store, or have weapon/armor skins at all???? Some people don’t care, very few I’d argue. The bulk of people like their character to look good!
Legendary has higher stats so there goes that one. And a title that everyone will have is not the same as armor skins. Many people buy minis just to auction them off later. I care about cosmetic to a point. All these items will be very easy to obtain and not tradeable. I’m sure there will be an option to upgrade to deluxe later on. My point still remains. IF you don’t care about cosmetic, or at least the cosmetic items included, and we ignore the slot, for reasons stated in original post; we are paying $50 for $50 in gems.
Legendary weapons have the same stats as Ascended weapons.
Stop telling players how they should respond!
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Posted by: Seera.5916
So you’re telling those who say that the pricing is fine off for trying to get people to believe their side, but then doing the same thing but for the opposing side……
People should make their own minds up based on the evidence available. Not because someone else said they should be on one side or the other.
Read carefully, that’s not what I said. I was criticizing those people telling people how they should feel without giving any coherent argument. If you tell people why they should believe this or that and give them reasons why they should believe that, then that’s fine. But getting mad, defensive, and calling people entitled because you haven’t even played GW1 before GW2 was even announced but defending HoT as if you know the history of Anet is especially wrong.
This goes for both sides of course.
No one, regardless of which side of the argument they fall on should tell people that they should be on their side. No matter how reasonable the argument is or isn’t.
OP, you forget that they also do not have a monthly sub for playing this game. the very least you can do is spend an extra $10 to buy a character slot(because they arent asking for a required $180 every year). seriously, you are asking for way too much for a game with no monthly fee.
And a single character slot for veteran players in lieu of the base game key being separate from the HoT key would not have broken the bank given the number of players who would have been fine with that trade off.
We have people refusing to buy HoT over the whole situation. That’s at minimum kitten lost opportunity. And probably some are refusing to buy the $75 or $100 versions as well.
ANet is “losing” more money than it would have lost had they given out free character slots to veteran players.
Stop telling players how they should respond!
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Posted by: Seera.5916
So you’re telling those who say that the pricing is fine off for trying to get people to believe their side, but then doing the same thing but for the opposing side……
People should make their own minds up based on the evidence available. Not because someone else said they should be on one side or the other.
Exactly, all those people who claim that HoT does not have enough content must have played some leak version, because they sure sound like they do. People are getting ridiculous.
Equally people saying that it is worth $50 are also being ridiculous. ANet have revealed so little of the actual content. I pay on facts, not dreams and promises.
And what I’ve seen makes it worth it, to me. But I fully understand that others like you do not feel that HoT is worth $50 based on what we’ve been shown. And I fully support your decision (and others’) to not purchase the game until such time that you feel it’s worth it.
So please don’t say I’m being ridiculous because I happen to be on the side of buying it (haven’t yet, don’t know what version I’m going to get and I’m waiting to see what, if anything, ANet will do given the reception of the pre-purchase options).
To you that may be so. But for others, they obviously have enough information to decide that HoT is worth it. And worth it or not is personal.
I for one have enough information to know that I want HoT. The question is which version. And I’m going to sit and think and ponder for a couple of weeks most likely. See what ANet does given the feedback on the pricing and what each version includes or doesn’t include.
I agree that if you are willing to pay the base price for HoT at 50 you might as well buy Ultimate for 100 – but I am not very happy with this setup anyway. It’s just plain greedy by Anet. Nothing more, nothing less. It’s clear they really really need money.
My fear is that this is a cathastriphic move though. This will not bring lots of new players to the game. And a huge portion of the faithful core players are being given the finger this way. Will this really lead to a sustainable environment for future gaming?
Also, the phrase “not be available as an upgrade and must be purchased as a full game package” confuses me. All are available with the core game aren’t they? So “no-upgrade” means we can’t add Ultimate to an excisting account or why is the “no-upgrade” used?
Yeah, I don’t get that one either, cause I had no trouble upgrading my account.
It means if you buy HoT standard or deluxe, you will not be able to upgrade to HoT Ultimate.
Bought the Ultimate edition and will probably get it for my other accounts as well. I’m fine with it plus I get to participate in all the beta events from now until release. Please don’t tell me how to spend my money as I won’t tell you how to spend yours.
And what if it turns out that you don’t feel the expansion was worth it or up to par? You just got screwed out of 50+ bucks. I’m not trying to tell you that you can’t buy something, I’m telling you that buying something based off of carefully selected gameplay segments and demos is a bad idea.
And how will buying it today vs first day of release let him know whether it’s worth it or not?
How can you really tell if something is worth it or not without trying it? All we can do is use the information we have to guess if it is or is not worth it. And it appears it appears to be worth it to JustTrogdor.
It appears to be worth it to me as well. I’m debating Deluxe or Ultimate at the moment.
Information is the whole point here. Would you rather purchase something based off of limited and potentially biased information, or when you have the entire picture? At launch, people will have actually played through the content and will know if falls short of what was promised, is buggy, or fails to deliver in general. The cost is the same regardless. There is literally no reason to buy the game early. Make the dog perform the trick before you give it a treat.
I get a title and guaranteed access to any and all future Betas. Given the last few have been RNG based, I’d be happy with guaranteed access. So I do get something for purchasing earlier.
Just because you need to watch a Let’s Play of a game or watch reviews before you buy it, doesn’t mean I need to. And stop trying to tell me that I have to do the same thing. Because I’m not you. My threshold to buy is at a different spot than yours.
Bought the Ultimate edition and will probably get it for my other accounts as well. I’m fine with it plus I get to participate in all the beta events from now until release. Please don’t tell me how to spend my money as I won’t tell you how to spend yours.
And what if it turns out that you don’t feel the expansion was worth it or up to par? You just got screwed out of 50+ bucks. I’m not trying to tell you that you can’t buy something, I’m telling you that buying something based off of carefully selected gameplay segments and demos is a bad idea.
And how will buying it today vs first day of release let him know whether it’s worth it or not?
How can you really tell if something is worth it or not without trying it? All we can do is use the information we have to guess if it is or is not worth it. And it appears it appears to be worth it to JustTrogdor.
It appears to be worth it to me as well. I’m debating Deluxe or Ultimate at the moment.
You can never get a full impression of a game until it’s been released and people have actually been able to play through the content and review it with a full perspective. That would be like trying to accurately judge the quality of a movie based on trailers.
And under your view, no one would ever buy a game because everyone would be waiting for everyone else to play it first for a review.
I can use a trailer to judge if it would be a movie I would want to see in a theater or wait to catch it on TV or Netflix (I already have access to those so I wouldn’t be paying explicitly to watch it).
Bought the Ultimate edition and will probably get it for my other accounts as well. I’m fine with it plus I get to participate in all the beta events from now until release. Please don’t tell me how to spend my money as I won’t tell you how to spend yours.
And what if it turns out that you don’t feel the expansion was worth it or up to par? You just got screwed out of 50+ bucks. I’m not trying to tell you that you can’t buy something, I’m telling you that buying something based off of carefully selected gameplay segments and demos is a bad idea.
And how will buying it today vs first day of release let him know whether it’s worth it or not?
How can you really tell if something is worth it or not without trying it? All we can do is use the information we have to guess if it is or is not worth it. And it appears it appears to be worth it to JustTrogdor.
It appears to be worth it to me as well. I’m debating Deluxe or Ultimate at the moment.
HoT Price Feedback + Base game included [merged]
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Posted by: Seera.5916
My hope is that after Heart of Thorns officially releases they add it as a game store account upgrade to purchase on your existing account, so you don’t have to buy another core game.
But why should people who have never played before be the only ones with guaranteed beta access?
Shouldn’t existing players have the same privilege without buying a second account?
I find that GW2 is a much more expensive game than a sub base game. That money can get you 2 months sub and game items are not limited to real life money even if it is not pay 2 win items.
I prefer sub base game because I can get all the items I wanted without paying $20 for one piece and $20 for another piece. That is equivalent to 4 mths of sub.
And I prefer buy to play games like GW2. Because I can budget out and justify an initial payment. Depending on sub price I may not be able to budget it. And I can’t justify it for myself. I sometimes take breaks from games and paying a sub would make me feel guilty for taking a break, even if the break would cause me to play the game for longer than if I hadn’t taken the break. And I can’t afford a sub unless it’s like $3 a month.
And I wonder how many GW2 players are in the same boat as me. Playing this game because it doesn’t have a sub and would be forced to stop playing it if they added a sub. Even those players who would be willing to pay a sub if they could afford it.
And would a sub bring in the money that those who leave the game due to it being a sub or reduce their gem purchases drastically?
The sub is irrelevant though. Millions of players are willing to pay for one. Just look at WoW and FFXIV:ARR, then look at B2P & F2P games, and you’ll see that their numbers are struggling. Just look at Wildstar, a game that was subscription but is now going to F2P. It had nothing to do with the sub model, but the quality of the game. Look at GW1 too, a B2P game which never had the success of GW2, and it was always lowly populated compared to other subscription games at that time.
Treating this game too casual takes it’s toll on a healthy playerbase and economy. If there’s too few people playing, events become much harder and dungeon groups take longer to find. WvW gets imbalanced, and so on. When people are paying a subscription, they are going to try to get the most out of their money before their time is up. You might not have enough time, but plenty of others do.
I never said that no one would pay or that there would be too many who couldn’t play. But I also didn’t say that everyone would pay or that enough people would pay.
And being a sub or not is not irrelevant.
No sub + cash shop brings in X money. Sub + cash shop (they’d still have one) brings in Y money. No one here on the forums know which would be higher in GW2’s sake between X and Y. So claiming going sub would be better for the game is unfounded. Conversely claiming it would hurt the game is also unfounded.
It’s not even off topic. Having a sub would affect gem prices.
I find that GW2 is a much more expensive game than a sub base game. That money can get you 2 months sub and game items are not limited to real life money even if it is not pay 2 win items.
I prefer sub base game because I can get all the items I wanted without paying $20 for one piece and $20 for another piece. That is equivalent to 4 mths of sub.
And I prefer buy to play games like GW2. Because I can budget out and justify an initial payment. Depending on sub price I may not be able to budget it. And I can’t justify it for myself. I sometimes take breaks from games and paying a sub would make me feel guilty for taking a break, even if the break would cause me to play the game for longer than if I hadn’t taken the break. And I can’t afford a sub unless it’s like $3 a month.
And I wonder how many GW2 players are in the same boat as me. Playing this game because it doesn’t have a sub and would be forced to stop playing it if they added a sub. Even those players who would be willing to pay a sub if they could afford it.
And would a sub bring in the money that those who leave the game due to it being a sub or reduce their gem purchases drastically?
However, an emotion neutral non public gameplay related implemented feature would be something totally different.
If Guild Halls would provide an option for Guild Leaders to create their customized gravestones, then will have people a way to get, what they want, without that they think that there is some kind of “need” to seek attention for their cause here in the forums, where something like this absolutely has no place in my eyes. Period.Instead, they can put up then the wished gravestone, statue or whatever as a memorial and place it somewhere in their Guild Hall, where Guild Members can read then some kind of memorial text maybe, when standing before that thing.
And now take a chill pill, because as you can see, I do basically support what the OP wants. I just personally prefer only a Guild Hall integrated solution that works for everyone and I absolutely dislike just the forum method of trying to press on the tear gland for sympathy to get through some special treatment, what is kind of selfish, when you think about it, that the Guild Hall related solution would be way better for everyone and it doesn’t require in the future then anymore to make more threads liek this here to get “hopefully” a memorial for a dead person.
No, with such an integrated solution could get then everyone in the Guild Halls a memorial for various different reasons even :O
That’s what the OP asked for in the first post. Something to put in their future guild hall. Not something out in the open world.