Guild Wars 2

Actinotus.6410:

Seigfried.5938:

Actinotus.6410:

Not much more to say except agreeing with the coverage thing. I reckon things have become too bloated towards the top few servers and i don’t get why people are transferring up there when all the QQ is coming about issues to do with queues zergs and skill lag from some of the players on those few servers (and stuff you don’t really find below about FA).

It is the players from JQ and the like who are complaining about this stuff not me. Have a look through the threads on the forums here. On SoS skill lag queues and stuff are almost non-existent.

And Sos has probably played with or against every guild in SoR JQ and BG so I have a vague idea what goes on there.

How many exactly are complaining about the ques? 10-20 at most on the forums? Those aren’t even enough to fill a que. And there are 4 maps, 1 gets qued, just go to another. Reset night is the only night all 4 get qued. Again, don’t make claims about tier 1 when you have not experienced it in months. Need I tell you about skill lag yet again?

I want to stress I am not the one complaining – it is some of those currently playing in those very full servers who are. I had the option of moving with my (then) guild to SoR when SoS fell from T1 but I chose not to as i was bored of all the stuff that was connected with T1 (and seeing the same opponents every week).

Want to add that we are against DB/CD at the moment and “losing the match” by about 100000 but I’ve still had fun out there. The server I like playing the most at the moment is TC even though we are outnumbered – just have to play smart.

We have one thing in common then. I loved fighting TC too, but I was in the small minority. When we had to face TC for the 4th time, there were so many QQs, I knew I had enough of it and I transferred to a serious wvw server.

Most people who complain are berserker’s equipped who like large damage. Get ready to pay the price.

SeniorChang.1795:

I’m not going to call them “thieves”, that’s ridiculous and makes no sense. They’re rogues and they’re insanely overpowered in GW2. They can attack and disappear into nothing even though a crowd of 20 people are standing on top of them.

Every other game that has stealth has done it reasonably, or at least put some effort into it. This is kittening ridiculous. They’re invulnerable and can pop back into stealth at any moment, unhittable by anyone.

Why isn’t this fixed yet?

Invulnerable what?
My recommendation, play a theif to know it’s weaknesses, because there definitely are.

When I just transferred in, I was shocked at the level of communication and how well everyone was well versed in tactics. I’m sure it took a lot of teaching and learning.

Actinotus.6410:

Not much more to say except agreeing with the coverage thing. I reckon things have become too bloated towards the top few servers and i don’t get why people are transferring up there when all the QQ is coming about issues to do with queues zergs and skill lag from some of the players on those few servers (and stuff you don’t really find below about FA).

It is the players from JQ and the like who are complaining about this stuff not me. Have a look through the threads on the forums here. On SoS skill lag queues and stuff are almost non-existent.

And Sos has probably played with or against every guild in SoR JQ and BG so I have a vague idea what goes on there.

How many exactly are complaining about the ques? 10-20 at most on the forums? Those aren’t even enough to fill a que. And there are 4 maps, 1 gets qued, just go to another. Reset night is the only night all 4 get qued. Again, don’t make claims about tier 1 when you have not experienced it in months. Need I tell you about skill lag yet again?

Le Rooster.8715:

Seigfried.5938:

Le Rooster.8715:

Seigfried.5938:

Firstly, you have not been in tier 1 for how many months now? Skill lag has changed gradually over the months. Don’t make claims about a tier you are not in. Wasn’t that your advice to me the last time? Tier 1 has changed a lot since the last time I was here.
Secondly, just because there are organised guilds in other tiers, doesn’t make tier 1 over rated. Tier 1 is servers are not only so organised because of their guilds, but because of the militia too. When BG and SoR don’t have to face eachother, they completely destroy the other 2 servers.

because of numbers my friend, and we did fight SoR not too long ago their oceanic/SEA guilds were good but not THAT good, we still lead oceanic ppt every night.

I wasn’t talking about a specific match, but I could believe that. You say numbers is the reason SoR wins, but isn’t that exactly the reason why SoS leads during oceanic?

yes we do well in oceanic time because relative to other servers we have a very high oceanic population, a combination of current upgrades and numbers affects how well you do in ppt.

Also Actinotus’s point was he didn’t prefer t1 and to him it is over rated which in many ways it is, the guilds are over rated before random matches everybody thought t1 was on a completely new level skill wise but when a server like TC can hang in their even when severely outmanned during oceanic/sea/eu it shows the skill level isn’t all that different.

TCs score is so high only because we(BG) mostly hit SoR’s structures. Sometimes, we even run into structures SoR is taking from TC to save it.

But in my opinion, there isn’t much difference in skill between tier 1 and tier 2. Teir 3 and below play a very different game. From my experience, in lower tiers, two zergs will only clakitten structures and not in open field. And when they do clakitten will be a skirmish.

Can’t believe that word got censored X.X

Le Rooster.8715:

Seigfried.5938:

Firstly, you have not been in tier 1 for how many months now? Skill lag has changed gradually over the months. Don’t make claims about a tier you are not in. Wasn’t that your advice to me the last time? Tier 1 has changed a lot since the last time I was here.
Secondly, just because there are organised guilds in other tiers, doesn’t make tier 1 over rated. Tier 1 is servers are not only so organised because of their guilds, but because of the militia too. When BG and SoR don’t have to face eachother, they completely destroy the other 2 servers.

because of numbers my friend, and we did fight SoR not too long ago their oceanic/SEA guilds were good but not THAT good, we still lead oceanic ppt every night.

I wasn’t talking about a specific match, but I could believe that. You say numbers is the reason SoR wins, but isn’t that exactly the reason why SoS leads during oceanic?

When your personal story is at level 3 for 4/5 characters.

Firstly, you have not been in tier 1 for how many months now? Skill lag has changed gradually over the months. Don’t make claims about a tier you are not in. Wasn’t that your advice to me the last time? Tier 1 has changed a lot since the last time I was here.
Secondly, just because there are organised guilds in other tiers, doesn’t make tier 1 over rated. Tier 1 is servers are not only so organised because of their guilds, but because of the militia too. When BG and SoR don’t have to face eachother, they completely destroy the other 2 servers.

ykyk.2740:

Seigfried.5938:

ykyk.2740:

Seigfried.5938:

When will people ever realize that the matchups is out of Anet’s control?

I don’t understand this. It is 100% in their control. They can make it BG vs ET vs FC if they wanted to. Who else would be in control?!

Of course whether they want to do anything is a different matter. I’m guessing that’s what you mean.

RNG? It’s like demanding Anet to drop a precursor when you kill a risen chicken.

They control the RNG, and all aspects of the system. They can set BG (just an example)‘s rating to zero if they wanted to. Or ET’s rating to 2000. I’m sure they can manually change the matchups if they wanted to, the problem is whether they actually want to. Clearly the team does not see a problem with the current state, or they are waiting for “more data”. A pessimistic analysis would be that they don’t care at the moment, but I rather not think that way =/

And why would they be biased to your server? It undermines the whole RNG system.

ykyk.2740:

Seigfried.5938:

When will people ever realize that the matchups is out of Anet’s control?

I don’t understand this. It is 100% in their control. They can make it BG vs ET vs FC if they wanted to. Who else would be in control?!

Of course whether they want to do anything is a different matter. I’m guessing that’s what you mean.

RNG? It’s like demanding Anet to drop a precursor when you kill a risen chicken.

Actinotus.6410:

THis thread is funny.

JQ has had the misfortune of playing against the fewest servers of any realm in NA since the game started. Never really experienced some entertaining matches against guilds on CD, EB, YB, and some on there are even complaining when they have to play against strong servers like FA, TC and DB.

On the other hand there are all these threads started by JQ people about the queues on JQ for WvW, and skill lag in T1.

T1 (which doesn’t exist anymore but let’s pass by that) is so over-rated. Some of us have moved on and are having much more fun without the QQ and the egos up there.

Yet another non-tier1 guy complaining about the skill lag of tier 1, which by the way, I only experience once a day. How is tier 1 over rated? The most organised guilds and servers are here in the closest matchup on the NA side. And we all know what you mean by ‘moved on’.

When will people ever realize that the matchups is out of Anet’s control?

Halo.8976:

Press Z to make it stop.

No, you press Alt + F4 to make it stop.

Achilles.2197:

Seigfried.5938:

dwahvel.7356:

Caffynated.5713:

I looted Dusk off a JQQ commander. Dat T2 loot is OP.

I can’t wait to fight a real T1 server.

JQ is the third t1 server. TC might have been but a huge chunk of the wvw players are fairweather and go mia when they don’t hold a lead.

To the contrary, TC came back really strong and won the week after DB rolled over them. JQ is only currently stronger because of its large pvx force. If TC was playing JQ this week, TC would have definitely won.

wrong

Look at the score of weeks 18 and 19 on MOS.

Such a clooooose match

Starscream.7803:

Our scouts tell us on SoR that BG is tanking the score to get waha over, and have already approached him offering to pay for transfers…………

hahahahahhahhahaha

Neuromancer.2148:

I don’t quite understand what Jahn and Burl want. It seems like they’re never happy with their lot in WvW.

this

Jahn.7019:

pot.6805:

Woot glad to see SoR has the coverage to compete.

More along the lines that most of BG is doing the pve content. Sucks for the BG WvWers, but with half your WvW population gone, you are now evenly coveraged with everyone else.

So only when SoR is ahead in in PPT in BG’s best timezone, we are ‘evenly’ matched.

dwahvel.7356:

Caffynated.5713:

I looted Dusk off a JQQ commander. Dat T2 loot is OP.

I can’t wait to fight a real T1 server.

JQ is the third t1 server. TC might have been but a huge chunk of the wvw players are fairweather and go mia when they don’t hold a lead.

To the contrary, TC came back really strong and won the week after DB rolled over them. JQ is only currently stronger because of its large pvx force. If TC was playing JQ this week, TC would have definitely won.

Starscream.7803:

kitten it wasnt magikarp xD hahahahaha you get the point though :P

Hahaha I tend to get confused too :P

WyldKat.4712:

Seigfried.5938:

Starscream.7803:

magikfox.9658:

oxide.8324:

Seigfried.5938:

Starscream.7803:

Yeah Seigfried, you have got the numbers out. Very good co-ordinated attack across all borders just now. Hit all our T3s almost. Where did you get the extra people from all of a sudden? Did you guys do a “all call” for overtime or bought another guild?

I am currently at work, so I don’t really know why we are ahead in PPT, but it could be an all call since we lost our lead not so long ago. Nothing wrong with that…

All call? I thought only SoR have those

The only time I hear the word all call is when people from Bg use it. REAL TAAAALK

Magikarp speaks the truth.

What did magikarp say? O_O

I am a lovely fish?

Then he does speak the truth

God I am bored at work….

Starscream.7803:

magikfox.9658:

oxide.8324:

Seigfried.5938:

Starscream.7803:

Yeah Seigfried, you have got the numbers out. Very good co-ordinated attack across all borders just now. Hit all our T3s almost. Where did you get the extra people from all of a sudden? Did you guys do a “all call” for overtime or bought another guild?

I am currently at work, so I don’t really know why we are ahead in PPT, but it could be an all call since we lost our lead not so long ago. Nothing wrong with that…

All call? I thought only SoR have those

The only time I hear the word all call is when people from Bg use it. REAL TAAAALK

Magikarp speaks the truth.

What did magikarp say? O_O

Starscream.7803:

Yeah Seigfried, you have got the numbers out. Very good co-ordinated attack across all borders just now. Hit all our T3s almost. Where did you get the extra people from all of a sudden? Did you guys do a “all call” for overtime or bought another guild?

I am currently at work, so I don’t really know why we are ahead in PPT, but it could be an all call since we lost our lead not so long ago. Nothing wrong with that…

Starscream.7803:

Rigel we are not playing for PPT, the score is obviously BG struggling having to fight people instead of PvD (so much for your advanced tactics lol) and IRON and TW never wipe, just because we change direction and you catch our tail it doesnt mean its a wipe.

Cod, I didnt withdraw it, it was sarcasm, if you cant grasp that from my reply, is it any wonder why the people with authority dont think to include you in decision making?

So why is SoR out after the living story update?

Starscream.7803:

MagiKarp.8201:

@Brutus because SoR is finally showing up…

Not playing that card in it’s fullness but we have been dealing with the true SoR forces the last 2 nights. SoR has much SEA coverage, but complains so much and has this attitude where they tell their SEA not to try so they don’t. What you are seeing is your SEA trying, it is a bit of a shock to us the last two days, I’m sure it will get better for us (BG) over the next two days but please don’t play that bull “1 commander on all maps” you troll.

You denegrade the efforts of IRON, SAHP, NYS, GC, HiRE, SONG, SEC, AL, HS, XPK and the up early FEAR/TW et al with these comments, you have SEA boost their morale don’t crush it with bs complaints like this.

Dont like Magikarp, we all know BG is tanking the score on purpose so it can recruit more guilds. Thats the usual response right?

BG is tanking the score? Are you seriously unaware of the living story update and it’s consequences?

BG has been training since living story update

sheesh, just when I start making money to craft a legendary Q.Q.

Rookni.2469:

Supply Mastery …

It’s like they don’t even care about wvw, and neither do they have any intentions of making big changes.

why doesn’t it show on gw2gvg the result of the 15v15 between agg and tw?

So basically everything is just one bloody gold? this is bullkitten. I don’t want to farm open world mindless mobs in large zergs for gold, I hate that.

I have been spending so much time leveling multiple toons for more tokens, and now it has all been for nothing

I experience game-breaking lag only once a day on average, not as often as others make it out to be. Most of the people who complain about lag aren’t even in tier 1, but just want us to transfer to their server.

Is this thread coming back to life? :O

Belmont.4682:

Wohoooo i’m kinda happy with those changes

CoF P1 & P2 in ~15 minutes = 2g
AC 3 paths in ~1 hour = 4.5g

6.5g in 1 hour 15 minutes? hell yeah.

Too bad that can onlyt be done once a day

Well, one more thing to either craft or buy off the TP. Not going to wait days to get a kitten armor set.

dunnberry.2964:

That is bullkitten!!! Anet needs to announce this kitten or make it stated that they will be worth something! Threw out a few hundred

If they did announce it, a good number would just not do the living story. I’m glad I didn’t do the living world stuff. I learned my lesson to not delete tokens since I first deleted 2k AC tokens because I didn’t know what they were.

wads.5730:

are you saying people playing wvw are good? rofl 95% of wvw players are horrible at the game. those that are willing to gvg are atleast trying to improve themselves.

considering the gvg site hasn’t been around for that long, i’d assume most are still active.

edit: rofl nice deleted post. good troll

87% of the statistics are false.

Necro was my first character in gw2, but I didn’t like it that much. I have to admit I only got it to level 34, though. I find ele a lot of fun mainly because of access to skills on 4 different attunements.

Aeolus.3615:

I dont mind when thiefs cloack n finish, problem is in that state AOE knockback from downed guardian do not affect them, sometimes even dont work on other professions that dont have stability boon on, buit that is a another guardian skill problem.

The AoE knockback does affect theifs, I am willing to bet that theif has the blind on stealth trait on. People need to research completely a profession they want to complain about. And also keep in mind, the 5 AOE cap exists, so if you are getting stomped by 6 or more, the knockback won’t work.

kamedin.4698:

I don’t know about anyone else, but I hate when I’m roaming around or trying to find our commander and all of a sudden, a perma stealth thief (needs tweaked as well) just downs me instantly or in about 5 seconds and then goes perma stealth to where my downed skills are useless. Why have downed state in WvW when you have little chance of actually success at rallying either at the hands of a Stealth thief or a huge Zerg? It just wastes my time.

Some one is either running MF or berserker’s. If you want to see large numbers, get ready to pay the price. A theif who can down you in 5 seconds has done the same.

I rally all the time in zergs, you have to hit as many people as you can before going down and hope someone kills any one of them.

It’s threads like these that portray tier 1 in a bad light. I don’t think every map had ques which were so long and this is an extreme case since JQ did this well in a matchup . But it could also be possible that all the PVE’rs are out for map completion.

Reiko.1560:

I hope TC and DB rotate out of T1 from now on… seeing the QQ is very satisfying.

Seigfried.5938:

TL;DR: I left SoS when they were losing.

Sugarcoat it all you want… but you bandwagoned into a better server. Not that there’s anything wrong with that since WvW seems to be only working as intended in T1.

You clearly haven’t read my earlier post.

Why would you say that? The competitive atmosphere in tier 1 is great! You aren’t in tier 1 anymore so you shouldn’t make claims about it.

You made too many assumptions about me. It wasn’t TC which made me leave, but SoS. I loved fighting TC, but I seemed to be the only one actually enjoying the fights (my guild too). I finally decided to leave because of everyone’s attitude about fighting TC. SoS thinks stomping SBI and CD is a ‘fair’ fight. SoS has enough people to compete in all time zones including NA, but it lacks organisation. The worst part is, it is mainly PUG based and no one wants to even improve. SoS’s NA force is in fact larger than it’s oceanic, but do you want to know why Sos leads during oceanic? Because oceanics don’t face much reisistance.

And finally, I didn’t bandwagon when SoS fell through the ranks initially. I finally left when I realised SoS had no drive to make it even into tier 2 where the real fights happen. I thought SoS would jump at a chance to fight organised servers like FA, and TC, which did happen for 2 weeks, and then it reverted back to whining about fighting ‘stacked’ servers.

You shouldn’t assume that I am a fairweather when I was in WvW every week fighting TC while you and other commanders would post on the forums they are taking the week off because of an unbalanced matchup.

The part that I highlighted, I wasn’t crying about BG and SoR being outmanned, but rather, I admired them fighting a server week in and week out even though there was no chance of winning. Sure, there were a few on the forums who whined about being in tier 1, but that wasn’t the general atmosphere on the forums. And I found it quite ironic, you telling me to keep it classy when you resorted to name calling(fair-weather and bandwagon) in your first reply.

The italic part, if you think TC doesn’t mind getting beat then why did you make that sacastic comment earlier? And why do you think TC minds a zergy environment? I have seen them do that too. In their pervious matchup with JQ, to lose only by 20k, They had to have zerged a fair bit. There is nothing wrong with being PPT obsessed because it gets the best fights out of both servers. Both sides have an aim in the fight and they are not casually fighting eachother for pleasure, which SoS seems to pride itself on as I mentioned earlier and why I left.

timidobserver.7925:

JJBigs.8456:

Odies.8017:

SOR, great fights tonight in Black Gate BL! Hope to see you guys for the rest of the week.

By great fights do you mean great double team on BG?

Yes because BG never double teams TC.

That would mean we have to scheme with SOR, which will not happen until hell freezes over

Le Rooster.8715:

Lenador.1436:

Le Rooster.8715:

Tarnished Coast, don’t say i didn’t warn ya.

What are you doing here get back to your own thread

nou

A few weeks ago weren’t you complaining about fighting TC? Would you rather have TC fight us or SoS? TC has turned out to be just like SoS, only enjoys fights they have nearly no chance of losing. I repsect BG and SoR way more because they stuck it out in Tier 1 against a monstrous JQ for months and eventually prevailed.

Edit: When I refer to servers, I do mean the majority of the WVW people there and not all.

So studies show after exactly 4 seconds of silence, a conversation turns awkward

Clockradio.3257:

Is anyone else shocked by the lack of posts in this matchup thread this week? I sure am.

I don’t mean this in a bad way, but I think it is because many SoR have already settled for second. I missed the days when SoR and BG were within 3-5k of eachother mid week.

Jahn.7019:

Tarkus.4109:

Cosmic.2150:

Jahn.7019:

pot.6805:

TC where are you?

Not all servers are interested in fighting the BG blobs all the time.

JQ got sick of it, TC is sick of it. Honestly, SoR would probably be sick of it if they weren’t used to it from T2 and is mostly full of stubborn diehard people.

But BG finally got what they’ve always wanted, un-competitive wins.

People on SoR are sick of it too… don’t think we aren’t.

It’s only uncompetitive if you don’t turn up

Or if a server overstacks their competition in the coverage war.

But that is just details, it’s easier to say the enemy isn’t showing up, instead of admitting that you outnumber your enemy during certain timezones.

Coverage comes into play for PPT, but don’t you chant 24×7, “SoR plays for fights”?