Not all servers are interested in fighting the BG blobs all the time.
JQ got sick of it, TC is sick of it. Honestly, SoR would probably be sick of it if they weren’t used to it from T2 and is mostly full of stubborn diehard people.
But BG finally got what they’ve always wanted, un-competitive wins.
Correction, SoR would be sick of it if you guys didn’t blob too.
1st place DB 2nd place SoS 3rd place CD and this new match system is mean’t to make it kitten ring!?
Don’t be so sure about that. SoS’s oceanics will have to clash with DB’s SEA while CD’s NA won’t have much resistance, so this match will be undecided for a long time.
And I happen to enjoy map-zerg vs map-zerg vs map-zerg clashes at garrison. What you are describing is open field fights, so why don’t you ask for something different, like gvg or structured zvz? Don’t try to change something others enjoy because you think ‘more than 100 people is pushing it’ I happen to enjoy un even battles too, whether I am on the outmanned side or on the outnumbering side. Also, don’t assume we are fighting in large zergs because of petty rewards. My server, BG, is most effective after reset when we have 5 guilds on each map running separately and helping eachother out when need be. But on weekdays, we can’t do that obviously because of lack of commanders etc.
If you read the forums, you would see PLENTY of people asking for organized GvG… there simply is NO PLACE in GW2 that you can do it except for WvW.
Plenty doesn’t mean the majority. And no one is stopping you to gvg in a quiet area. There is no need to reduce the zerg cap for you to do that. And, skill lag is a technical issue, not a direct consequence of large zergs.
These particular changes are indeed on the client-side. They won’t impact lag, unfortunately. We are still both investigating additional ways to combat skill lag, not that there are any particularly good looking options at the moment, and continuing to make improvements to overall game performance as we can.
There are plenty of AMAZING options to reducing skill lag. The problem is you’re approaching the situation wrong.
First ask yourself, “Why do we get skill lag?” We get skill lag because it is completely advantageous to Zerg. So you promote Zerging and your game cannot support it. That is your first problem.
So, Mr. Devon Carver and WvW team what are some ways that you could reduce the amount of players who amass at one specific location? (Yes, big fights can be fun I know, I know some people play for them. But even they will admit the skill lag can get horrendous.)
A very real, and very simple start to this ongoing process of reducing WvW lag is this. DO NOT make it a requirement to be inside the ring in order to achieve WXP. The Havoc Squad on the other side of the map keeping 20 enemies from both opposing sides preoccupied surely helped. The players hunting Yaks, and cutting off reinforcements helped. Everyone helped, it was a server wide effort make it advantageous to separate your forces but still be rewarded for your effort.
Stop trying to treat the symptoms, and instead tend to the underlying cause.
I happen to enjoy large scale PVP. It seems like you are not sure what YOU enjoy about WvW. I could care less about yaks and standing at sentry checkpoints for wxp. Don’t assume everyone in WvW is there for such petty reasons.
Also, if you don’t like skill lag and large scale pvp, why are you with a zerg? I mean, you won’t experience skill lag if you aren’t in a zerg(which you don’t enjoy anyway). So you already know the solution to the problem.
Each day when you finish a unique path for any explorable or story dungeon, you’ll receive a bonus reward for completion—1 to 3 gold for explorable dungeons depending on their length and difficulty, 50 silver for story dungeons.
6 min for 1 gold in cof?
Or 45 min for 3 gold in arah?
Hmm.
You do know that you can recieve that reward per dungeon path just once a day right?
It has been stated in the past that WvW was about large scale battles.
I happen to like those battles.
There is more involved than what you describe. It isn’t all about pressing 1 if you can get other skills working. I use a variety of skills to deal with the other zerg when we don’t have lag(it does happen.)
If you want to suggest something to encourage small groups, that is fine but it should be something that does not add a negative just because of x# of players because that will just lead to other problems that would impact the game in a much more negative manner.
It really depends on what your, mine, ANet’s and everyone else definition of “large scale battles” is… To me a very large battle is 100 people, be it 33v33v34 or 50v50 and that is pushing the envelope for me. A decent battle, one where I get very excited and start getting nervous about is 30v30. That to me is the ideal match-up where you don’t have enough people to create insane lag but you don’t have enough people to hide in the zerg. You will get focus fired down if you are caught in a bad position but can still reliably use your skills and actually coordinate with your guild. Like I said, that is what I personally look for in WvW, you have a different point of view and I enjoy reading about what you want to see happen to WvW.
Those are the fights I live for…
You can have suggestions to encourage small groups but they won’t help, why? Because large groups will still want to reap the rewards and will do it faster. That is why zerging is the “thing to do”. Pure, unadulterated numbers is the fastest and easiest way to cap an objective and reap the benefits of doing so.
WvW reminds me of one of the last scenes from ‘I, Robot’ – the part where Will Smith runs into the old graveyard with all the robots and where are they? Huddled together.
And I happen to enjoy map-zerg vs map-zerg vs map-zerg clashes at garrison. What you are describing is open field fights, so why don’t you ask for something different, like gvg or structured zvz? Don’t try to change something others enjoy because you think ‘more than 100 people is pushing it’ I happen to enjoy un even battles too, whether I am on the outmanned side or on the outnumbering side. Also, don’t assume we are fighting in large zergs because of petty rewards. My server, BG, is most effective after reset when we have 5 guilds on each map running separately and helping eachother out when need be. But on weekdays, we can’t do that obviously because of lack of commanders etc.
If there is a debuff-zerg mechanic, commanders should have the ability to expel members from the zerg so it is not at a disadvantage. So which would you rather have? Large map-zergs clashing in one area with skill lag (Which is actually the fault of A-net not upgrading the servers and there is a solution, unfortunately, not implemented yet) or commanders having the ability to expel members from the zerg (Don’t even ask me how it will work until you have a viable solution for debuffing-zergs).
We (BG) currently have supply trolls which go into garrison and use up 1700 supply before we go into NA prime which is our weakest time zone. I am sure you can make an assumpion about what the debuff-zergs will do without the ability to expel members.
But on the other hand, don’t bother with supply mastery, please fix the skill lag. It is a game breaking issue and no matter how many new features are added to wvw, it can’t make up for skill lag.
Why you guys think that gamers that really play the game with all their contents, need to win less rewards than Lazy people that continue running a stupid easy way?
Lazy guys don’t deserve rewards. Of any type, acostume with this.
Some of us just pop into PVE for some fast money and then return to WvW. I don’t want to spend most of my time in PVE to get decent set of armor. Or, please make WvW as rewarding. So now PVE gets ascended armor/weapons and wvw hasn’t even got ascended accessories.. I think that is going to happen with the new champion boss rewards, though.
Arena Net, don’t force us to play all aspects of the game if we don’t want to.
I have a question, are the recipes for legendary precursors coming out of the 6th too? It was in the same news and announcements as the change in rewarding system.
its when ppl put overtime for something that will be taken away in a few hrs.
then ppl start to realize how pointless it is to put overtime.
and after that people ascended into the next dimensional being and only play for fights.
its when ppl put overtime for something that will be taken away in a few hrs
So what BG’s SEA does everyday?
I think our SEA sometime stay up to play with IRON. and we are happy they sometime can play early with us as well.
So you insult those who put in overtime and then admit your own server does it. So when can we expect the BG SEA crew to get to the “play for fights” point?
It’s hard to ‘play for fights’ when SoR is either off training their zerg to pvdoor with 45 golems or takes the rest of the week off when you guys lose the 6k lead.
If you care about those, then go for it. But as of now, there’s 2 schools of WvWers.
The PPT focused and the Fight focused.
So you are saying is, when taking a tower/keep there are no fights at all? Is it purely Pvdoor?
It is easy to pit 20+ against 20+, but much harder to come up with a strategy in the heat of a battle to decide which structure you want to sacrifice and which you want to hold on to. If you go back to ancient threads of matchups SoR won, you will realise you are in the minority even in SoR on this issue. SoR either ‘plays for fights’ or ‘is training’ when losing according to forum trolls. You guys portray your server in a very bad light, but as I said before, you guys are in the minority on SoR.
I see how this week is going to go. We were just watching Mags garr to see how long we had before the borg came to us. Guess eventually SoS gave up, but we still only had 11 people to defend ours. Not quite enough. Though we did hold the line at Cliffside for some fun bag collecting.
Really though, Anet, put Dragonbad, SoS, and CD all in a tier and let them play each other forever. Or whoever has taken CDs place as the 3rd biggest Oceanic.
what about any of the tier 1 servers? I think BG has the largest oceanic presence.
i really love doing arah, but now I can’t enter at all. I am about to actually do story again on my ele because there is a chance it might solve a problem. Oh wait, it doesn’t work on my toons which have done story.
Ok, so I tried a number of dungeons on a number of characters, none of them can enter any dungeon. Back to un-rewarding(gold-wise) WvW. Thought I would make some gold quick, but no.. luck just won’t allow that.
My party panel has been bugging increasingly often . First, it would never enter me in CoF when I clicked the enter in explorable mode button, but rejoining the party would solve the problem. I haven’t done CoF in the passed 3 days, so I don’t know if it is now completely broken or not. I haven’t been able to enter Arah even once in the passed 3 days. I have tried the usual, relogging, rejoining the group, switching maps, restarting the game, but nothing seems to work. From the tone of this post, you might think i am very disappointed, but I am actually very angry, but if I show it in this post it will get infracted. The CoF party panel issue has been going on for months, and now it is completely broken for Arah.
Oh yes, I forgot to add my main point. FIX IT AlREADY
I hope next week match up (yes Anet, i know you read our forums and yes i know the RNG is actually manually determined) is
JQ vs TC vs SoR
That would be awesome
You’d throw FA and DB to BG?
I have been following your posts and it’s clear you have something against BG.
And FA and DB need not necessarily face us, SoS has a good chance too. SoS was pitted against SoR when SoR had the highest rating.
Thanks for taking the time to reply to my post Laylyn.
Btw, Laylyn’s one of the server leaders from BG who’s really well respected from all alike. She works hard to make BG a better community. And she does make sense. Would kindly suggest that you be less sarcastic and antagonistic.
Yes, you know your history. Other than the ‘theoretical’ matchups, do you have any thing solid to add? Until then I am going to enjoy gw2 on BG.
It doesn’t matter to me who he/she is. Just because he/she is on my server, I don’t lose the right to disagree. I made a genuine point, and he/she only replied with if’s, might’s and other possible but not probable scenarios based on ancient history.
Ladies and Gentlemen, tonight I present you with the chance to relive the 45 omega golem rush that was done on BG BL the other night. I would like to give a big thanks to Icoa and Merc for being wonderful host that night.
And we finally get proof of their training, in pvdoor!
You are trying so hard. It’s kind of disgusting.
So you are saying it was not a training excercise? Because, yes, 45 golem rushes are done regularly right?
Actually they are. If you’re from BG then you should know this. You’re oceanic most likely does.
I run with BG oceanics too since I am in the UK, and believe me, we don’t pvdoor. I usually run with the float team, and we handle 3 maps, putting out fires and capping included. Are you implying we pvdoor accross all 4 maps? That is false, no matter what you think of our oceanics, we don’t have that many. And when we meet resistance, we don’t wipe easily. On the weekends, when time zones don’t matter, BG takes the lead, whether it is your NA against our oceanics or not, we break away in PPT. I would say take this passed weekend for example, but we all know what your reply will be.
I’ll agree with this. One of the fun things to track is how much the EU bracket has changed already.
VS was EU’s number one server for most weeks since launch. http://mos.millenium.org/servers/history/16 In week 18, VS was rocking a 2250 rating and they are now rocking a 1983 rating while winning all but two matches. There are also effectively 10 servers (AR week 28) in that top bracket now, which one could argue is the new EU Tier One.
Rotations like this were one of the cornerstones we hoped for back when the player base was striving for 6-9 competitive servers. They should evolve in that direction in the NA bracket with time.
Glicko was responsible for many of the headaches people when through in the past. This rotation will be painful in the short run, but once it gets going NA side, it should really help a lot of servers.
My 2 cents. Your mileage may vary.
/salute
Laylyn, with all respect (because I do have it for you); you’ve been lobbying for a 6-9 server balanced NA since launch and we’re farther away from it since any point since ET and HoD imploded.
The closest we came was before WM left SBI and we had 5 T1 quality servers. (SoS, JQ, SBI, SoR, BG) and TC was beginning to grow but was thrown off it’s ascent by the before mentioned WM move and NNK going to DB.
Now we have only 2 T1 servers, 2 T1.5 servers, 2 T2 servers, 2 T3 servers, 1 T 3.5…and about 5 T4 (little murky there).
The moment that WvW broke, was the end of free transfers and a last minute flock to JQ.
Since then, Tier 1 has become a giant hamburger grinder for WvW focused players. Players burn out, take breaks, and there is a need for new players that typically come from lower server guilds that come with T1 glory in mind, but they end up dissolving and merging with larger known guilds.
BG has collected a monstrous 24/7 machine that continues to grow, while SoR has been rock-solid stable for a while now. I don’t see the 2 server dominance ending anytime soon unless ANet were to take direct action (lower BL caps and creating heinously long queues)
This is the main reason I transferred to BG. I love the competition and intensity here. Even though there is a lot of hate generated on the forums for other servers, we respect our enemies in the game. When I transferred BG and SoR were more evenly matched( SoR had won the previous match). It may be JQ’s move to tier 2 or or BG’s recent reorganization which has created such a gap between SoR and us. But my main point is, I only came here because of the larger WvW population. I had a taste of tier 1 for a few weeks on my old server and really missed it for months. I think that is why most people transfer to higher tier servers.
I don’t see any problem with stacking servers with WvW’rs. No one complains when servers are PVE focussed, but all the hue and cry when servers stack wvw players. I play during the EU timezone, so tier 1 is a good place for me since there are people to fight with and against when I am awake. If the player base was spread out between all servers, I wouldn’t be able to play with so many people.
I wouldn’t worry about that. The game used to have a much larger wvw turn out in the first few weeks. Changes might refill some of that.
Four maps full meant a bit more when one map population was almost the same as two maps today. September 2012’s HoD could face the combined world pvp populations of SoR, BG, JQ and TC today. Further, even as 4 servers, we may have had a lower turn out today, than JQ and SBI alone had back in September 2012.
The advantage we’d have in that theoretical match up is how tactics and game mechanics have evolved since then. If it weren’t just a flight of fancy, it would be interesting to see.
If anything even brought back a quarter of the lost launch player base, we’d probably have 9 super servers right now. No intensity loss would necessarily happen.
That’s my hope anyway.
/salute
Yes, you know your history. Other than the ‘theoretical’ matchups, do you have any thing solid to add? Until then I am going to enjoy gw2 on BG.
I don’t see any problem with stacking servers with WvW’rs. No one complains when servers are PVE focussed, but all the hue and cry when servers stack wvw players.
Well, that’s not really a great comparison, since PvE isn’t something build largely around population/coverage and pitting servers against one another.
Generally people get upset about the “stacking” thing because it has something of a gravity effect. One or two servers start to get large, people get attracted to them because they want to “win”, so the servers get even larger, so more people get attracted to them, so on and so forth.
Eventually you have a couple absurdly overpopulated servers and a ton of servers that are weak or barely even show up in WvW at all.
*Look at the recent transfers from JQ to SoR for an example of absolutely dumb transfers that only serve to hurt the tier/matchup/whatever. *
You can’t blame WvW guilds for transferring to be with more like minded people. JQ in tier 1 fields way less people than they are currently doing in tier 2 and the WvW guilds can get tired of carrying the weight of the whole server. That is why SoS imploded. From what I have noticed, JQ fields measly numbers in tier 1. They are currently fielding much more now that they are in tier 2 because their PVX crowd is out as they have a chance of winning. We all saw the result of BG/JQ/DB match.
I’ll agree with this. One of the fun things to track is how much the EU bracket has changed already.
VS was EU’s number one server for most weeks since launch. http://mos.millenium.org/servers/history/16 In week 18, VS was rocking a 2250 rating and they are now rocking a 1983 rating while winning all but two matches. There are also effectively 10 servers (AR week 28) in that top bracket now, which one could argue is the new EU Tier One.
Rotations like this were one of the cornerstones we hoped for back when the player base was striving for 6-9 competitive servers. They should evolve in that direction in the NA bracket with time.
Glicko was responsible for many of the headaches people when through in the past. This rotation will be painful in the short run, but once it gets going NA side, it should really help a lot of servers.
My 2 cents. Your mileage may vary.
/salute
Laylyn, with all respect (because I do have it for you); you’ve been lobbying for a 6-9 server balanced NA since launch and we’re farther away from it since any point since ET and HoD imploded.
The closest we came was before WM left SBI and we had 5 T1 quality servers. (SoS, JQ, SBI, SoR, BG) and TC was beginning to grow but was thrown off it’s ascent by the before mentioned WM move and NNK going to DB.
Now we have only 2 T1 servers, 2 T1.5 servers, 2 T2 servers, 2 T3 servers, 1 T 3.5…and about 5 T4 (little murky there).
The moment that WvW broke, was the end of free transfers and a last minute flock to JQ.
Since then, Tier 1 has become a giant hamburger grinder for WvW focused players. Players burn out, take breaks, and there is a need for new players that typically come from lower server guilds that come with T1 glory in mind, but they end up dissolving and merging with larger known guilds.
BG has collected a monstrous 24/7 machine that continues to grow, while SoR has been rock-solid stable for a while now. I don’t see the 2 server dominance ending anytime soon unless ANet were to take direct action (lower BL caps and creating heinously long queues)
This is the main reason I transferred to BG. I love the competition and intensity here. Even though there is a lot of hate generated on the forums for other servers, we respect our enemies in the game. When I transferred BG and SoR were more evenly matched( SoR had won the previous match). It may be JQ’s move to tier 2 or or BG’s recent reorganization which has created such a gap between SoR and us. But my main point is, I only came here because of the larger WvW population. I had a taste of tier 1 for a few weeks on my old server and really missed it for months. I think that is why most people transfer to higher tier servers.
I don’t see any problem with stacking servers with WvW’rs. No one complains when servers are PVE focussed, but all the hue and cry when servers stack wvw players. I play during the EU timezone, so tier 1 is a good place for me since there are people to fight with and against when I am awake. If the player base was spread out between all servers, I wouldn’t be able to play with so many people.
Ladies and Gentlemen, tonight I present you with the chance to relive the 45 omega golem rush that was done on BG BL the other night. I would like to give a big thanks to Icoa and Merc for being wonderful host that night.
Ladies and Gentlemen, tonight I present you with the chance to relive the 45 omega golem rush that was done on BG BL the other night. I would like to give a big thanks to Icoa and Merc for being wonderful host that night.
We had Garrison back within an hour later. In the meantime, I thought it was interesting that JQ zerged Longview to take down my 2nd treb. We ended up taking Longview and Garrison around the same time. Kudos to all the TC who participated in the Battle of TC Garrison. Lord’s circle was up for 10-15 min I think, before JQ finally capped.
This is the first time a lot of our SEA have ever had to face non-stop T1 pressure and it is coming from the strongest SEA force in GW2.
We’ve managed to push Waha to stay up till 4am and forced JQ to use 30+ Omegas on our Garrison after an hours-long battle.
To me, considering how the week started I am so proud of our SEA and call that a major victory. You guys are awesome!
JQ’s sea is not the strongest trust me. BG has 3-4 maps Q’d on the daily. BG also bought JQ’s biggest sea guild as of 1-2 weeks ago.
I’m pretty sure you aren’t a BG resident, so how do you know how the number of maps we can que? 2-3 is an overestimate btw.
The thing I’ve respected about TC since I first saw them last fall, is that they absolutely do not give up. Oh yeah, they got a little bit of the shock n awe treatment a few weeks ago from SoR, but all that did is teach them what to expect.
I still think JQ will win, but it will probably be less than 10k at that point. It’s a shame that SoR and BG have had to ramp up so much (to face each other) that there isn’t a 3rd server to round out a good three-way match for you guys (though FA is doing better than expected as well!)
You have no idea how hard our folks on BG are fighting. We aren’t just rolling around in map zergs and queing every map. This is partially what I used to think until I transferred to BG. Our commanders stay up late to get us WPs and clear the enemies off the map. People accuse us of working over time, but we take it as a compliment, which it obviously is.
Wow, some people just lack common sense it amazes me. That could either be our numbers on each map or all our people in wvw. You can not tell without snapping a picture of every place of each BL.
I dive into the T1 threads every once in a while, and I’m amazed that after 5 months straight you are still talking the same crap and having the same arguments.
I think we need to have the courts come in and declare you all married by common law.
I do have a legit question though, what’s going on with SoR? That was a pretty steep drop over the weekend.
Well there are at least people posting their QQs which keeps me entertained at work. I prefer this over a dead thread which ends with 6 pages and which is only filled with compliments from the winning server and the occasional troll from one of the losing servers.
Ebay and Borlis are a good balanced matchup, drama aside. As much as we (apparently) hate each other (not that I personally have been around yet to even know what on earth caused the two of you to hate each other so much…) – we have very close scores – You can’t deny that our matchup is very close.
I’m having fun! Stop being so srs.
It’s been a good match so far. Hopefully you’ll all learn from the tactics SoS has been using and better coordinate yourselves for next week. With a little practice. You’ll sure do better! TC showed us that and now look where we are!
What did we learn from TC exactly? How to send a 100 man zerg to take every supply camp?
Firstly, 100 is over the population limit of 1 server per map. Secondly, you don’t send many people to a supply camp to be sure to take the camp, but to supply up the whole zerg.
So you got one guy from NSP and one guy from FC. you just downed them both in a 3 way fight but what do you do? as soon as you stomp one, the other rallies, if you stomp the other guy the other guy rallies. good luck killing them both at the exact same time.
Do you see the problem? At this point IDC about downstate. OK its rly dumb and this and that but the RALLYING is what I cant stand. you already have sooooooo much HP in downstate and you can rally yourself if left alone for long enough. Why not remove rallying off killing someone in WVW to at least SORT OF make zerging less forgiving. If Im in a 2v4 and me and my buddy manage to down 2 of them shouldnt we be rewarded by having gotten 2 of them out of the fight rather than having them keep 1 spamming us as their bunker ally revives them through our mad attempts of DPS and attempting to stomp? Not only that. If I have 2 down and my friend gets stomped then both come back up and eat me alive rather than I kill both of them and deal with the other 2 on my time. See the dilemma here?
Anet wants to reward smaller groups more? easy fix rallying in downstate for at least WVW to make it less forgiving and more situational (see a opening to help your buddy up since he is momentarily out of danger) NOT well ima just keep the DPS and OHHH LOOK hes back up im so helpful!!!11!!!11!1
It’s simiple, down one person, move the fight away from him while dealing damage occasionally. The downed guy will probably just die while you don’t have to bother with him. If he doesn’t die by the time you stomp the second, go back and stomp him. There are always ways around it.
Whenever there is a mechanic people don’t like, that somehow translates to Anet is actually encouraging large zergs instead of small team roaming
So basically make us all champion bosses without the unshakable buff :P? It would become a race to keep up CCs with stability stacks. It’s an interesting idea, I dont’ see any problems with it. But I don’t have any problems with the current system either.
So this week, BG are going to be doing a Vizunah and get as much stuff T3, then sit in it with Arrow carts. Only a FEW will come out and fight. Sad times and is a shame.
Dood if i was not in command of a borderland i would throw my guys at you, but when people are trusting you to run things then you have to play it smart. Plus we got a BAY fight that was fun.
Don’t even bother with them, majority of [IRON] are just trolling you because they know a gvg won’t happen and it makes them seem to everyone else on the forums that [IRON] are very confident about winning.
I just transferred over to BG and I really love the community. On the forums SoRs accuse BG of pulling over time, but what is wrong with that? It only shows we are willing to work harder for our goals. No pain, no gain. You guys want to be lax about the score, go ahead, but don’t try to pull us down with you. While [IRON] don’t really care for their server during EU prime, our guilds will do what is necessary to secure a high PPT lead and upgraded structures before going into our dead zones. They are trying to get the message accross, “if we actually try for ppt, we would easily win”. But I am sure you are already trying as hard and this is just an excuse(obviously).
What is the point of this thread or any matchup thread? Constructive discussion? It’s not going to happen because there is nothing to discuss. It’s a place to trash talk. It is the one thing that keeps me from falling asleep at work hahaha.
I just reached back from workand I wanted to reply to that guy from JQ/ATM. Too bad for him I can’t now. You better have been trolling otherwise I am going to start hunting JQ. I had a lot of respect for that server up until now. SoS falling to t4 costed me months of boring wvw and 100g to transfer and I left all my friends behind.
RK has only defended their position on the forum. SoR and IRON in particular are provoking them.
Considering how much this Waage dude has been consistently flaming IRON, I don’t see why IRON shouldn’t challenge them and provoke them since they complained and accused IRON of blobbing hard and beating them with superior numbers. They claimed IRON wasn’t much if it wasn’t for their numbers. If you want to flame or taunt another guild, please be up for the GvG challenge. Don’t even try to give excuses to run away from it.
So you deny IRON blobs? To be perfectly honest, I don’t remember seeing IRON in small groups so I would agree with waage on that. Though, I wouldn’t assume they aren’t just as good in smaller numbers.
in tier 4 and below, where not one person is on ts3 and everyone is just doing his own thing.
Since when does using Ts3 = skill? Sure, it adds to communication and ultimately facilitates better teamwork, but it in no way affects player skill levels.
For people who say tier 1 is all about ‘midnless’ zergs, they have clearly not been part of any organised guild or zerg and definitely not on teamspeak
While T1 does have more guild organization, most T1 guilds did not originate on these servers, they flocked there. Also, I transferred off of SoR so I’ve seen/taken part of it. At least half the population on maps are PuG anyway, and are simply following the zergs/guilds around.
I transferred out to a tier 1 server so I know what I am talking about.
Your argument is what exactly? You’re a random pug who transferred to a server that was already in the “top tier” and stacked without you? Isn’t that by definition a bandwagoner? SoS was tier 1, fell and then you jumped ship and migrated back to T1?
That’s exactly why the matches are broken, because of people doing what you do. I bet if they locked transfers to JQ/BG/SoR one of them would begin to crumble and another server would get stacked as it implodes.
I was on both, a tier 4 server and a tier 1 server. You shouldn’t quote half a sentence. TS3 makes all the difference in the world. Why would you not use something like TS3 which makes the difference between victory and defeat? And I never said TS3 translates to skill. in fact, wvw relies less on skill and more on organisation of groups. individual skill is tested in gw2, but in spvp or small group roaming in wvw, not in zergs. And even small groups co ordinate on ts3.
So what if wvw guilds don’t originate on a server they play on? They go to higher tier servers for more competition and organisation I was on SoS during it’s t1 days and all through it’s tier 4 days. I truly missed the intensity of tier 1 so I perfectly understand why wvw guilds left. I waited months for SoS to recover but after 5 weeks of people moaning that they had to fight TC, I had enough.
And what makes you think I transferred to a winning server? I never mentioned which server I transferred to. Hence, all your bandwagon conclusions fail. As i said before, I didn’t transfer out during SoS’s implosion, but in July.
Oh and, please don’t confuse WvW with any form of skill. Deluding yourself into believing it is anything other than massing is hilarious.
Guild Wars 1 died and with it any true PvP related skill.
That is exactly what happens in tier 4 and below, where not one person is on ts3 and everyone is just doing his own thing. In tier 1 zerg battles are won by listening to a good commander. The begining of every battle is crucial and that is what can often decide the outcome. For people who say tier 1 is all about ‘midnless’ zergs, they have clearly not been part of any organised guild or zerg and definitely not on teamspeak. I was on SoS from its rise to tier 1, back to tier4 and last week I transferred out to a tier 1 server so I know what I am talking about.
As for people blaming Anet for large zergs and server recruitment, you shouldn’t be doing that because it is your server mates doing it. A-net just allows it to happen. They have added large sums of gems to transfer to discourage it, but this is the best they can do and should do. I would have been disappointed if I was not allowed to transfer to a tier 1 server. What you CAN blame A-net for is skill lag. The server hardware needs an upgrade. But since tier 1 is the only tier that has this problem, they might think it is not financially wise to upgrade systems.
. But not immediately after reset, I will be with the guild.
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