What do you do in this game? I am genuinely curious.
Certainly not “farm” the same place for hours everyday…are you selling gold or something? Otherwise i don’t know why people is so mad…
There is something called…enjoying the game and playing it normally, not everything has to be about “what gives more profit?…let’s do that!”.
I am certainly not mad, I am just curious as to what they do. They can’t be going for a legendary or progressing into fractals. Upgrading ascended items and obtaining a legendary is rather expensive for some people. Everyone enjoys playing the game differently but the fact that he stated they’re keeping their promise to no grind is flat out wrong.
Edit: If you also read my other comments, I personally don’t mind some grind. What I DO mind is that Anet are quick on their feet to fix farming/grind spots people like to use but there are still bugs known from launch that are still around.
Ill touch on this. The whole no grind was in reference to getting max stat gear. It was not aimed at the entire game.
Getting BiS/Max Stat Gear is ridiculously easy. If you put your resources into crafting, you can easily craft it, or you can do dungeons and then convert the tokens. If none of those sound appealing, you can use your (hopefully) saved up karma to buy it from vendors in Orr.
There are so many methods that it’s disgusting and they’re all cheap. I’ve crafted those 3-6g items for about 40s spent, and that’s just because I wanted to upgrade my last few items.
Yup which is why every time i see someone on a rant about the “grind” and how they said there would not be a grind i just facepalm. They actually delivered on the no grind promise.
Like, the only grind in GW2 is the grind you give yourself. You can easily be a minimalist and get Exotics and then just WvW or even not level up and do sPvP, or you can grind and get those shiny titles and that shiny weapon/armor. Nobody is forcing you to… GRIND it.
Oh i fully agree. I’ve had my Culture T3 armor for some time now. Beleave it or not i got it from just playing the game and not intentionally going out and grinding. Over all i make more money just playing the game than i do grinding as i have tried it to see just what the appeal is. I think i made right at 5 gold that day grinding. I make twice that just fooling around with my crafting. Which if your decent at you spend a whole whopping 5 minutes on a day once your 400 unless your making gear for an alt or a friend.
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What do you do in this game? I am genuinely curious.
Certainly not “farm” the same place for hours everyday…are you selling gold or something? Otherwise i don’t know why people is so mad…
There is something called…enjoying the game and playing it normally, not everything has to be about “what gives more profit?…let’s do that!”.
I am certainly not mad, I am just curious as to what they do. They can’t be going for a legendary or progressing into fractals. Upgrading ascended items and obtaining a legendary is rather expensive for some people. Everyone enjoys playing the game differently but the fact that he stated they’re keeping their promise to no grind is flat out wrong.
Edit: If you also read my other comments, I personally don’t mind some grind. What I DO mind is that Anet are quick on their feet to fix farming/grind spots people like to use but there are still bugs known from launch that are still around.
Ill touch on this. The whole no grind was in reference to getting max stat gear. It was not aimed at the entire game.
Getting BiS/Max Stat Gear is ridiculously easy. If you put your resources into crafting, you can easily craft it, or you can do dungeons and then convert the tokens. If none of those sound appealing, you can use your (hopefully) saved up karma to buy it from vendors in Orr.
There are so many methods that it’s disgusting and they’re all cheap. I’ve crafted those 3-6g items for about 40s spent, and that’s just because I wanted to upgrade my last few items.
Yup which is why every time i see someone on a rant about the “grind” and how they said there would not be a grind i just facepalm. They actually delivered on the no grind promise.
What do you do in this game? I am genuinely curious.
Certainly not “farm” the same place for hours everyday…are you selling gold or something? Otherwise i don’t know why people is so mad…
There is something called…enjoying the game and playing it normally, not everything has to be about “what gives more profit?…let’s do that!”.
I am certainly not mad, I am just curious as to what they do. They can’t be going for a legendary or progressing into fractals. Upgrading ascended items and obtaining a legendary is rather expensive for some people. Everyone enjoys playing the game differently but the fact that he stated they’re keeping their promise to no grind is flat out wrong.
Edit: If you also read my other comments, I personally don’t mind some grind. What I DO mind is that Anet are quick on their feet to fix farming/grind spots people like to use but there are still bugs known from launch that are still around.
Ill touch on this. The whole no grind was in reference to getting max stat gear. It was not aimed at the entire game.
High population doesn’t mean that those people actually play. They’re just filling up an available slot and may not have logged on in weeks.
You’ll be much better off on a lower population server with a larger active playerbase.
Actually according to the devs infact the population represents current players logged in. Hince why the pops flux and full servers have low points where new accounts can join them.
Since i havent seen anything related to this ill go ahead and point this out.
Most people dont have an issue with the dungeon its self. Its a fun dungeon. As such those still playing would run it. The issue is in the ascended gear its self. I very rarely see anyone ask do you like the fact they added another tier of gear. Mostly i see them ask if they like the dungeon then they use that as proof that everyone LOVES the new gear. Which is totally untrue. I’ve seen more people leave because of this patch than any thing else. Most of the people i played with are gone. As for LA sure i get kicked to overflow but the thing is before this i almost never got the transfer option. Now I get it shortly after getting into LA so there are not as many people playing as there use to be. No where near as many people.
Thing is currently people can and do dungeons naked. Rebalancing dungeons you always take into account all the gear tiers. Currently you can do parts of the new dungeon without the new gear. Odds are they will set up something like it with the current and future dungeons when they rebalance. Even if they dident its been stated that the new gear will be available in places other than the new dungeon. As i said if your going to require x to do something you alway give them a way to earn x before its needed. Progressing at your own speed is always possible. Thats why new players can join the game at any point. Otherwise the game would never have new players that are not instantly max level with at least x gear.
Now im not saying you dont love the game or anything but saying that someone cant progress at there own speed is just silly. There will always be content lotus just as there will always be that group that is not affected by any changes because they move threw content slower than others. Just by playing the game they will be given what they need just as those when went threw it before them. In most cases they actually have better gear as they come into ownership of the gear ment for newer harder content.
One can progress at his/her own speed, of course. What I’m debating is that before the patch, sooner or later, the slow progressing player would’ve got the highest tier of gear. It was just a matter of time, not of if but of when.
Now, if your pace is slow enough, you could fall behind.
And after having read ArenaNet’s intentions and having seen the stats on ascended items, I don’t see how that won’t be a limiting factor.
It will be a limiting factor by design. If they wanted to make ascended gear optional, they would have differentiated it only by looks, like they did with legendaries up until now. The fact they increased stats on it, tells you that they plan to make it a limiting factor, so that even those who don’t don’t like its looks are still trying to acquire it.
Yes, now you can do fractals up until a certain difficulty scale in exotics. But now it’s the beginning of the new direction, so it’s only natural the actual effects on gameplay are marginal. The future effects of the present direction is what worry me.
And not, I’m not willing to wait for ArenaNet to fully implement this new vision before voicing my concerns, because I deeply believe that by then it will be too late and GW2 won’t be the game that was meant to be (and promised to us) anymore.
Most people will never have max stats on gear progression game’s. From what i have seen that was never the point of the other guy. His point was simply he is unaffected by this change. He does not care about having the current best gear or any of that.
As for the other concerns frankly it is to early to tell which direction they will go. Your trying to preach to a group that honestly doesent care due to one thing or another. Myself i do but that is not for this debate. We have made our stance clear. ANet will listen or they wont. All we can do is wait and see now. Being bull headed and attacking anyone and everyone for the slightest thing gets us nowhere at this point and actually harms our cause more than it helps it. If you feel you need to post in general due to misinfo or the likes make one post then move on. People will agree or they wont. No reason to get livid over something so silly.
The OP would be right if the servers were FULL like they were during the Halloween event. I haven’t seen the servers full. Has anyone else?
They dramatically increased server cap for the event so we could play with our trial friends.
Still full, I spent over 90% of the weekend on overflow servers.
Just to point out i get thrown into overflows in area’s that i know dont have all my servers players in. Overflow just means the area has enough people in it it needed to send some of them to a spare server. It has nothing to do with the true pop of a server.
That being said with the adding of free trial they may or may not have increased the server pop. Unless they say such theres no way to know though.
Ok i think i figured out what your failing to realize. In a game designed for 1-?, where ? is max level, you can NEVER balance all the content to only be for ? with the best gear possible. This is what lets people move at the pace they want to. In every game i have played if content is added that requires x stat to even start it this content always provides easy access to the min required to do said content. So this infact does let him do it. Even in games like wow there are players like him. You can move at any pace you want if you are good enough.
Probably I haven’t been clear on a point that is fundamental for me: before the change, anybody in exotics would have access to all the content the game could provide. If you knew what you were doing, you could do anything.
Gear wasn’t a limiting factor.
Now let’s say a year from now they have introduced ascended gear for any slot. They upgrade the dungeons to be challenging for people in full ascended gear. Your own pace of playing means you still wear exotics.
You try Arah and fail because it’s now too difficult for you, and not becasue you don’t know what you are doing, but because your gear is now a limiting factor.
This will eventually be the case, and this scenario wasn’t possible before the patch.
In WoW a player can proceed at a slower pace, but in that case (s)he can’t access all the content available at any given moment. If you don’t have tier x gear you can’t do tier x + 1 raid. You will eventually, but by then that raid won’t be relevant anymore.
Or, put in other words, my 54,99 € are worth the same as the € 54,99 of an hardcore player, so why should I get less content than him at any given time for the same money?
Thing is currently people can and do dungeons naked. Rebalancing dungeons you always take into account all the gear tiers. Currently you can do parts of the new dungeon without the new gear. Odds are they will set up something like it with the current and future dungeons when they rebalance. Even if they dident its been stated that the new gear will be available in places other than the new dungeon. As i said if your going to require x to do something you alway give them a way to earn x before its needed. Progressing at your own speed is always possible. Thats why new players can join the game at any point. Otherwise the game would never have new players that are not instantly max level with at least x gear.
Now im not saying you dont love the game or anything but saying that someone cant progress at there own speed is just silly. There will always be content lotus just as there will always be that group that is not affected by any changes because they move threw content slower than others. Just by playing the game they will be given what they need just as those when went threw it before them. In most cases they actually have better gear as they come into ownership of the gear ment for newer harder content.
Ill just say a lot of the people i know in game dident understand how the ascended gear was to work. Most of them thought it would work exactly like GW1 infusion’s. This led them to like the change. When informed of how it actually worked they had a different though on it. The content they were fine with. The gear not so much. In general i feel this is the case with most of the people in the forum’s.
And I’ll absorb that content at my own pace. I won’t be cut off because I will never be the only person who wants to do it, there will always be late comers, alts, other people who take their time to do the content, people willing to go back and do lower level content. (I for one do this)
And I really don’t care if they explicitly say one way or the other if it’s the last tier. It won’t change the pace I absorb the content, I don’t have to be at the cutting edge of gear, it doesn’t bother me in the slightest if X Lego Lass X is stood next to me with a Legendary sword and an ascended back piece whilst I’m still rocking my Exotics.
You still miss the point.
Reread my quotes.
And check these items:
http://www.gw2db.com/items?filter-item-rarity=8Compare stats.
When the existing content will have been adjusted to be challenging for people wearing whole sets of this stuff, you won’t be able to do them unless you grind for ascended stuff as well.
It’s not a matter of alts or other things. It’s not a matter of choice. The difference between ascended and exotic is higher than the gap between exotics and rares, but in turn ascended is A LOT less accessible than exotics to casuals.
Um hes saying that he will move at his own pace. When it comes time to grind for it he will. Hes just saying hes not worried about the gear others have. Hes a very rare type of player that truefully doesent care what others have equiped. In all honesty his player type is normally some of the most skilled players i have ever encountered which lets him play in this mind set.
Unfortunately that won’t work.
Content locusts are so quick in devouring content that by the time he will have finished grinding ascended stuff “at his own pace” there will be divine or uber-ascended or whatever armor and the thing will start afresh.
The problem when you cater to content locusts, is that you commit to a direction that is implicitly a threadmill. Either you find a way to keep them in your game without raising stats, of if you do raise stats the first time, why not the second time they hit a wall again?
You can have your own pace, but if the content difficulty outgrows you, you are screwed.
I’ve yet to ever see a game that advanced that fast to be honest. Currently the game is so easy its an utter joke. It would take a good long time before its even remotely nearing that hard. Odds are that even your slowest players would never come near to seeing this. Not even close. That being said its silly to argue over this point. He will play the way he wants. As long as its within what the games designed around why nitpick? Kinda sounds like your doing it just to argue.
Well, i think its not the problem that the new gear adds slightly higher stats. The problem is that it’s opening an road to progression. Until now you could do whatever you want as often as you want and when you want, without having to worry that would miss something. Suddleny there is something to miss. And it’s not that you miss a special one time experience but that you miss something which could influence your future experience in the game.
So you have to make decisions wether you keep your slowmode playingstyle or go on and take the challenge to progess. So it is not so much about if you will actually miss something but about having to decide if you want to take the risk to miss something later on. And some people do not even have that choice because they do not have as much sparetime they would like to spend in the game. That’s what is worrying for some people.
I think that is the problem many people are having and I can only hope that A-Net is going for compromises to keep tyria open for everyone.
Oh no i get why people are having issues with this patch. Im one of them. This is more of a discussion about a player who is neutral to it who no matter what path GW2 takes they in the end are not affected by the changes.
I’ve yet to ever see a game that advanced that fast to be honest. Currently the game is so easy its an utter joke. It would take a good long time before its even remotely nearing that hard. Odds are that even your slowest players would never come near to seeing this. Not even close. That being said its silly to argue over this point. He will play the way he wants. As long as its within what the games designed around why nitpick? Kinda sounds like your doing it just to argue.
No I’m doing it because I loved GW2, and it’s so rare to find a company ilke ANet was, that manages to create a lot of hype and still gives you a game that delivers on that hype. And then just three months after it goes online, this…
It’s just out of a big disappointment.
And about the game pace, I don’t know how long it will take before ascended sets are all in. Maybe it will take a year, nobody knows.
The point here, is that you can’t choose your own pace the way you could before they introduced a new tier. Exotics were easily obtainalble and then you could REALLY do things at your own pace because all the content was balanced around exotics and you knew they couldn’t be surpassed in power by anything, even legendaries.
Now, your pace can’t be slower than that at which they introduce new items, as slow as it may be, because otherwise you fall behind.
The phylosophy of ArenaNet and GW1 has a always been to let you play the way you wanted. You could log off GW1, log on one year later, and you armor and weapons were still relevant.
They reconfirmed this phylosophy in the manifesto.
And then got hijacked.
Ok i think i figured out what your failing to realize. In a game designed for 1-?, where ? is max level, you can NEVER balance all the content to only be for ? with the best gear possible. This is what lets people move at the pace they want to. In every game i have played if content is added that requires x stat to even start it this content always provides easy access to the min required to do said content. So this infact does let him do it. Even in games like wow there are players like him. You can move at any pace you want if you are good enough.
And I’ll absorb that content at my own pace. I won’t be cut off because I will never be the only person who wants to do it, there will always be late comers, alts, other people who take their time to do the content, people willing to go back and do lower level content. (I for one do this)
And I really don’t care if they explicitly say one way or the other if it’s the last tier. It won’t change the pace I absorb the content, I don’t have to be at the cutting edge of gear, it doesn’t bother me in the slightest if X Lego Lass X is stood next to me with a Legendary sword and an ascended back piece whilst I’m still rocking my Exotics.
You still miss the point.
Reread my quotes.
And check these items:
http://www.gw2db.com/items?filter-item-rarity=8Compare stats.
When the existing content will have been adjusted to be challenging for people wearing whole sets of this stuff, you won’t be able to do them unless you grind for ascended stuff as well.
It’s not a matter of alts or other things. It’s not a matter of choice. The difference between ascended and exotic is higher than the gap between exotics and rares, but in turn ascended is A LOT less accessible than exotics to casuals.
Um hes saying that he will move at his own pace. When it comes time to grind for it he will. Hes just saying hes not worried about the gear others have. Hes a very rare type of player that truefully doesent care what others have equiped. In all honesty his player type is normally some of the most skilled players i have ever encountered which lets him play in this mind set.
Unfortunately that won’t work.
Content locusts are so quick in devouring content that by the time he will have finished grinding ascended stuff “at his own pace” there will be divine or uber-ascended or whatever armor and the thing will start afresh.
The problem when you cater to content locusts, is that you commit to a direction that is implicitly a threadmill. Either you find a way to keep them in your game without raising stats, of if you do raise stats the first time, why not the second time they hit a wall again?
You can have your own pace, but if the content difficulty outgrows you, you are screwed.
I’ve yet to ever see a game that advanced that fast to be honest. Currently the game is so easy its an utter joke. It would take a good long time before its even remotely nearing that hard. Odds are that even your slowest players would never come near to seeing this. Not even close. That being said its silly to argue over this point. He will play the way he wants. As long as its within what the games designed around why nitpick? Kinda sounds like your doing it just to argue.
And I’ll absorb that content at my own pace. I won’t be cut off because I will never be the only person who wants to do it, there will always be late comers, alts, other people who take their time to do the content, people willing to go back and do lower level content. (I for one do this)
And I really don’t care if they explicitly say one way or the other if it’s the last tier. It won’t change the pace I absorb the content, I don’t have to be at the cutting edge of gear, it doesn’t bother me in the slightest if X Lego Lass X is stood next to me with a Legendary sword and an ascended back piece whilst I’m still rocking my Exotics.
You still miss the point.
Reread my quotes.
And check these items:
http://www.gw2db.com/items?filter-item-rarity=8Compare stats.
When the existing content will have been adjusted to be challenging for people wearing whole sets of this stuff, you won’t be able to do them unless you grind for ascended stuff as well.
It’s not a matter of alts or other things. It’s not a matter of choice. The difference between ascended and exotic is higher than the gap between exotics and rares, but in turn ascended is A LOT less accessible than exotics to casuals.
Um hes saying that he will move at his own pace. When it comes time to grind for it he will. Hes just saying hes not worried about the gear others have. Hes a very rare type of player that truefully doesent care what others have equiped. In all honesty his player type is normally some of the most skilled players i have ever encountered which lets him play in this mind set.
I have a feeling I’m feeding a troll, but anyways.
Hince my last post :P. Let the troll starve to death.
Sorry .. This is an mmorpg.
Those who are casuals will always be behind and those who playes 10+ hours a day will always be ahead, having better and nicer gear.
Thats what mmorpgs are about.
Stop complaining about you having real life stuff to do and you cant play a game. Its not AREANETs fault you cant play the game as much as you want to.
FoTM was CLEARLY MADE FOR THOSE who want PROGRESS. For HC PvE players which play 10+ hours a day and having nothing to do in GW 2. . NO for casuals.
Really .. people these days complain about everything
That would be perfectly fine hadn’t ArenaNet attracted a lot of players explicitly promising what you just said would never happen in their game.
And the manifesto didn’t sound like pure marketing because if was backed by 7 years of proven track record.
Until now.
So they said that HC PvE players like me with 200+ explorable runs, almost finished legendary, 1000 hours player will not have any progression dungeon?
They created this dungeon for hc pve players so they have something to progress on, for a months. Every other dungeon out there can be done in hour.
I dont see why are you mad? Cause they add dungeon that was made for HC pve players who want progression? Well A lot of players loves it and those who dont or dont have time for it, here is news for you. Dont do it.
People like this poster will never get it if they have not figured out the real issue here by now. Just ignore the troll. Eventually he will starve and move on to a meal somewhere else.
I find it rather funny that people whine and moan about hitting 80 and not having anything to do, no gear progression, no progressive dungeons, etc. So ArenaNet decides to add ONE DUNGEON for these people that wanted to pursue that, and now people piss and moan that they added content for a group of people that were lacking that content. What’s even funnier is the fact that the people complaining act like the other 99% of the game no longer exists because of one dungeon.
Get over it people. It’s one dungeon. There are plenty of groups you can get into to do it without being on dungeon level 7+. Tons. I stand in Lion’s arch for 10 minutes and I see 20+ calls for LFG Level 1-3.
Lastly, you act like there won’t be other methods for acquiring Ascended gear. If I know ArenaNet, there is never just ‘one way’ to accomplish goals in GW2. While FotM might be the only way to get Ascended gear currently, I have faith that it will be expanded upon and new methods will be introduced as time progresses. For example, mystic forge, random chests, events, renown, etc.
The dungeon literally JUST came out. Stop having a panic attack and give things time to settle before you start screaming the sky is falling.
Oh, and btw? Did you check stats on Ascended gear? It’s not that big of a gap to complain about. +2 over the stats of an 80 exotic? Not to mention that infusion ONLY effects Agony, so it’s not like it’s some super powerful godly item with ultimate usefulness UNLESS you are fighting against enemies that cause agony.
I never complained, and the new gear is at least +20% better than current. do the may.
Hes already realized he was mistaken on that. No reason to keep beating him over the head. Hes actually one of the ones that will admit when he makes a mistake.
Oh im not saying we dont need to give them a chance. Im just pointing out the stats are infact not minor. As your earlier post said “YOU” can do it, as could I, in lower level gear. From my experience most people cant given when i go into a zerg if they are not in max gear i lay them out 3-5 at a time before i retreat as i’ve blown my guardian’s abilities. As for infusions that stuff i linked infact isent including the infusion stats. It gets worse with infusions.
That’s a fair point too, but I don’t think the issue is entirely gear on that. Granted, it doesn’t help the situation if a player is already struggling, to have the added advantage given to their foe. But at the same time, that same advantage can be given to themselves. Depending on where ArenaNet goes with Ascended gear, that addition could be easier to acquire than it currently is.
I’m of the personal opinion that WvW shouldn’t be linked to PvE at all and should function more like sPvP with gear progression. After all, WvW is just another form of PvP, and to keep things fair and balanced, gear, skills, and stats should flatline. That would make stat progression gear wise purely a PvE pursuit where it’s not as critical to have the best of the best to be competitive and a solid functioning member of a party.
Eh i honestly dident mind the pve gear in WvW due to it added something to it that you dident have in SPvP. But if they plan to keep increasing gear im fully in the thought that WvW should just be SPvP gear. Then again i also dont think they should add gear progression as it puts you in line to have to deal with WoW which already does it, and does it better. Its just not something you can survive doing as well. Of all the major MMO’s that have been out since wow’s launch not one has truly survived trying to go head to head with it.
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Lets check out these stat changes. First we will look at ascended vs exotic then exotic vs rare. So to start when you compair (http://www.gw2db.com/items/71372-bagh-nakh) to (http://www.gw2db.com/items/58008-ruby-orichalcum-ring) and (http://www.gw2db.com/items/26447-exquisite-beryl-jewel-s). Then you compair (http://www.gw2db.com/items/58008-ruby-orichalcum-ring) and (http://www.gw2db.com/items/26447-exquisite-beryl-jewel-s) to (http://www.gw2db.com/items/58001-ruby-mithril-ring) and (http://www.gw2db.com/items/26410-beryl-orb-s) you see that from exotic to ascended its a difference of +7, +5, +3, +3, +1%, +1% which is a total of 18 point stat boost with a 2% boost to crit damage. Where as from rare to exotic its a +8, +6, +5, +1, +1% which is a total of a 20 point stat boost with a 1% crit damage boost. This is going to be basically the same difference you see from rare to exotic which is a noticeable difference.
Yeah, I didn’t know there were stats on the infusions, as I hadn’t seen any that did more than reduce agony by 5. However, I would point you to the post just above yours and read my further statement on my stance.
In brief, I’m not saying the concerns aren’t valid. I am saying that people need to calm down and give ArenaNet a chance to think about the feedback, look at the metrics, and provide us with a solution. That’s going to take more than a weekend.
Oh im not saying we dont need to give them a chance. Im just pointing out the stats are infact not minor. As your earlier post said “YOU” can do it, as could I, in lower level gear. From my experience most people cant given when i go into a zerg if they are not in max gear i lay them out 3-5 at a time before i retreat as i’ve blown my guardian’s abilities. As for infusions that stuff i linked infact isent including the infusion stats. It gets worse with infusions.
I find it rather funny that people whine and moan about hitting 80 and not having anything to do, no gear progression, no progressive dungeons, etc. So ArenaNet decides to add ONE DUNGEON for these people that wanted to pursue that, and now people piss and moan that they added content for a group of people that were lacking that content. What’s even funnier is the fact that the people complaining act like the other 99% of the game no longer exists because of one dungeon.
Get over it people. It’s one dungeon. There are plenty of groups you can get into to do it without being on dungeon level 7+. Tons. I stand in Lion’s arch for 10 minutes and I see 20+ calls for LFG Level 1-3.
Lastly, you act like there won’t be other methods for acquiring Ascended gear. If I know ArenaNet, there is never just ‘one way’ to accomplish goals in GW2. While FotM might be the only way to get Ascended gear currently, I have faith that it will be expanded upon and new methods will be introduced as time progresses. For example, mystic forge, random chests, events, renown, etc.
The dungeon literally JUST came out. Stop having a panic attack and give things time to settle before you start screaming the sky is falling.
Oh, and btw? Did you check stats on Ascended gear? It’s not that big of a gap to complain about. +2 over the stats of an 80 exotic? Not to mention that infusion ONLY effects Agony, so it’s not like it’s some super powerful godly item with ultimate usefulness UNLESS you are fighting against enemies that cause agony.
Lets check out these stat changes. First we will look at ascended vs exotic then exotic vs rare. So to start when you compair (http://www.gw2db.com/items/71372-bagh-nakh) to (http://www.gw2db.com/items/58008-ruby-orichalcum-ring) and (http://www.gw2db.com/items/26447-exquisite-beryl-jewel-s). Then you compair (http://www.gw2db.com/items/58008-ruby-orichalcum-ring) and (http://www.gw2db.com/items/26447-exquisite-beryl-jewel-s) to (http://www.gw2db.com/items/58001-ruby-mithril-ring) and (http://www.gw2db.com/items/26410-beryl-orb-s) you see that from exotic to ascended its a difference of +7, +5, +3, +3, +1%, +1% which is a total of 18 point stat boost with a 2% boost to crit damage. Where as from rare to exotic its a +8, +6, +5, +1, +1% which is a total of a 20 point stat boost with a 1% crit damage boost. This is going to be basically the same difference you see from rare to exotic which is a noticeable difference.
Im over in other games for most of my free time. Just cant bring myself to play this game anymore. This patch killed it for me. Was having great fun before this patch.
“this argument is in the realm of fanatical over reaction with a dash of elite fanboism and a whole bunch of I dont know.”
https://www.guildwars2.com/en/news/linsey-murdock-unveils-new-high-end-ascended-gear/
Notice the picture from ANet? The picture with an Ascended ring, that is better then the exotic ring?
The picture from ANet. The one that says “Yep this is what an Ascended item is”.
Our posts may be fanboy, but yours reeks of ignorance.
Quoting you mainly for the link and in regards to people spazzing out about being forced into a gear treadmill. People are seriously losing their minds over this barely even worth mentioning improvement? I must be missing something because looking at that picture of the Ascended beside the Exotic, I can’t comprehend what’s up with all this GW2 doomsday talk. For that specific example shown, you gain 5 additional Power/Precision and 3% more Magic Find… and that’s considered a gear treadmill? Excuse me while I LMFAO at this. I remember playing an Assassin in Aion (pre-everyone gets a stunbreaker) and barely even having blues but still wrecking people with yellows. Same goes for GW2, having a bunch of cheap masterwork/rares didn’t stop me from strutting my stuff all over WvW and dungeons.
That little rant aside, I hardly see how this affects anything in the gear treadmill department unless you’re a neurotic min/maxer.
When you compair (http://www.gw2db.com/items/71372-bagh-nakh) to (http://www.gw2db.com/items/58008-ruby-orichalcum-ring) and (http://www.gw2db.com/items/26447-exquisite-beryl-jewel-s). Then you compair (http://www.gw2db.com/items/58008-ruby-orichalcum-ring) and (http://www.gw2db.com/items/26447-exquisite-beryl-jewel-s) to (http://www.gw2db.com/items/58001-ruby-mithril-ring) and (http://www.gw2db.com/items/26410-beryl-orb-s) you see that from exotic to ascended its a difference of +7, +5, +3, +3, +1%, +1% which is a total of 18 point stat boost with a 2% boost to crit damage. Where as from rare to exotic its a +8, +6, +5, +1, +1% which is a total of a 20 point stat boost with a 1% crit damage boost. This is going to be basically the same difference you see from rare to exotic which is a noticeable difference.
If +10 stats doesnt matter then why all the complaining? Think about it… Please explain to me how it ruins your experience at all? If you want to progress horizontally and focus on map clear and dynamic events and customizing the look of your armor what does +10 really matter? You can still do all those things. No one is here trying to stop you. Now that is if +10 in stats truly isn’t a big deal. Some qq on here seem to suggest it is a big deal and will unbalance WvW. So what is it? Either way, if you don’t like it. Stop playing. Go create your own game.
Thing thing is for those that like to do the other things to be of use to there friends should they be asked to join in on the random party they now have to grind out there gear all over again. Where as if they left stat tier alown they wouldent be useless. This is the problem with vertical progression. Those that dont do it get left behind. So even skilled players are rendered useless if they dont keep there gear up.
Right but its just a +10 increase in stats. At least that’s what was said earlier. It sounds like a very minor bump.
Its not just +10. When you compair (http://www.gw2db.com/items/71372-bagh-nakh) to (http://www.gw2db.com/items/58008-ruby-orichalcum-ring) and (http://www.gw2db.com/items/26447-exquisite-beryl-jewel-s). Then you compair (http://www.gw2db.com/items/58008-ruby-orichalcum-ring) and (http://www.gw2db.com/items/26447-exquisite-beryl-jewel-s) to (http://www.gw2db.com/items/58001-ruby-mithril-ring) and (http://www.gw2db.com/items/26410-beryl-orb-s) you see that from exotic to ascended its a difference of +7, +5, +3, +3, +1%, +1% which is a total of 18 point stat boost with a 2% boost to crit damage. Where as from rare to exotic its a +8, +6, +5, +1, +1% which is a total of a 20 point stat boost with a 1% crit damage boost. This is going to be basically the same difference you see from rare to exotic which is a noticeable difference.
Am I missing something here? I personally remember paying £60/$60/60 Euros.
That’s half a years EvE online or WoW subscription.
That’s two top titled pc/console games.
That for many people is a new graphics card / sound card.
That for some people, is more than they will earn in a year.Yes, I hate the new patch, and won’t be ‘playing’ again. But that is besides the point.
This is not a free to play game unless you, aquired it for free. That just isn’t valid justification to shoot anyone down for having real concearns.
Is Skyrim a ftp game? I think not.
Just you think about that.
Where are you getting top tier games for only $30? Also what graphics are you getting for only $60? Anyways for an MMO this game is in the FTP bracket. The real area though is BTP.
Where are you getting top tier games for only $30?
In the UK
Also what graphics are you getting for only $60?
Last months (the smart way to buy). You gave the perfect answer for someone who also supports the GPU treadmill.
this game is in the FTP bracket
No.
You seriously need to learn to read and properly quote. I said for an MMO this is in the FTP bracket. I never said this game is truly FTP.
I don’t get your point. Did you not say “this game is in the FTP bracket” or did you?
No i infact did not. The point is there are different bracket of games in the MMO world. The two major brackets are FTP and PTP. Of those two brackets GW would be the first. All that means is that there is no sub. In almost every FTP MMO there is a point where you HAVE to pay some cash. This ones upfront instead of later.
I respect your ‘opinion’ but I think you have missed the point here slightly.
Let us take ncsoft’s most popular ftp games as an example.
Aion – Download and play for free, don’t like the game, nothing lost.
Lineage / 2 – Download and play for free, don’t like the game, nothing lost.GW2 – Pay $60 / £ whatever, don’t like the game, lost £60.
That is not free, nor is that the ftp model.
Lineage went FtP? Wow i missed that. Last i knew they were PTP. Anyways FTP tends to denote the difference between a sub and no sub in the MMO world. In general gaming then ya its not a FTP its a BTP which i already said in my first post but this is not a general game its a MMO. When referred to as FTP in that reguards its used in a proper way.
Am I missing something here? I personally remember paying £60/$60/60 Euros.
That’s half a years EvE online or WoW subscription.
That’s two top titled pc/console games.
That for many people is a new graphics card / sound card.
That for some people, is more than they will earn in a year.Yes, I hate the new patch, and won’t be ‘playing’ again. But that is besides the point.
This is not a free to play game unless you, aquired it for free. That just isn’t valid justification to shoot anyone down for having real concearns.
Is Skyrim a ftp game? I think not.
Just you think about that.
Where are you getting top tier games for only $30? Also what graphics are you getting for only $60? Anyways for an MMO this game is in the FTP bracket. The real area though is BTP.
Where are you getting top tier games for only $30?
In the UK
Also what graphics are you getting for only $60?
Last months (the smart way to buy). You gave the perfect answer for someone who also supports the GPU treadmill.
this game is in the FTP bracket
No.
You seriously need to learn to read and properly quote. I said for an MMO this is in the FTP bracket. I never said this game is truly FTP.
I don’t get your point. Did you not say “this game is in the FTP bracket” or did you?
No i infact did not. The point is there are different bracket of games in the MMO world. The two major brackets are FTP and PTP. Of those two brackets GW would be the first. All that means is that there is no sub. In almost every FTP MMO there is a point where you HAVE to pay some cash. This ones upfront instead of later.
In gw1 the “open world” was the towns. Everything else was basically dungeon’s. How is that different from other mmo’s? Most of the people hang in the city or are secluded in an instance.
The difference is you could do those dungeons with no one but yourself and some moutain dew and doritos.
Players suck. Not my fault my henchies were better than 90% of the player base. Frankly i rather have there hench’s back.
Am I missing something here? I personally remember paying £60/$60/60 Euros.
That’s half a years EvE online or WoW subscription.
That’s two top titled pc/console games.
That for many people is a new graphics card / sound card.
That for some people, is more than they will earn in a year.Yes, I hate the new patch, and won’t be ‘playing’ again. But that is besides the point.
This is not a free to play game unless you, aquired it for free. That just isn’t valid justification to shoot anyone down for having real concearns.
Is Skyrim a ftp game? I think not.
Just you think about that.
Where are you getting top tier games for only $30? Also what graphics are you getting for only $60? Anyways for an MMO this game is in the FTP bracket. The real area though is BTP.
Where are you getting top tier games for only $30?
In the UK
Also what graphics are you getting for only $60?
Last months (the smart way to buy). You gave the perfect answer for someone who also supports the GPU treadmill.
this game is in the FTP bracket
No.
You seriously need to learn to read and properly quote. I said for an MMO this is in the FTP bracket. I never said this game is truly FTP.
In gw1 the “open world” was the towns. Everything else was basically dungeon’s. How is that different from other mmo’s? Most of the people hang in the city or are secluded in an instance.
Am I missing something here? I personally remember paying £60/$60/60 Euros.
That’s half a years EvE online or WoW subscription.
That’s two top titled pc/console games.
That for many people is a new graphics card / sound card.
That for some people, is more than they will earn in a year.Yes, I hate the new patch, and won’t be ‘playing’ again. But that is besides the point.
This is not a free to play game unless you, aquired it for free. That just isn’t valid justification to shoot anyone down for having real concearns.
Is Skyrim a ftp game? I think not.
Just you think about that.
Where are you getting top tier games for only $30? Also what graphics are you getting for only $60? Anyways for an MMO this game is in the FTP bracket. The real area though is BTP.
IMO our ranged options are rather boring if you actually try to use them for anything other than support skill’s. Granted i’ve yet to use the scepter as its just not my play style.
That being said alot of guardian skill’s are not use on cooldown skill’s. If thats your play style then im thinking guardian wont be for you. Guardian for me is more of a wait it out kinda play style. Im always watching my party members and my own buffs and conditions while also watching mobs so i can time my counters to help mitigate damage done to my party. Not sure about other guardian’s thoughts on this but thats my feelings.
If +10 stats doesnt matter then why all the complaining? Think about it… Please explain to me how it ruins your experience at all? If you want to progress horizontally and focus on map clear and dynamic events and customizing the look of your armor what does +10 really matter? You can still do all those things. No one is here trying to stop you. Now that is if +10 in stats truly isn’t a big deal. Some qq on here seem to suggest it is a big deal and will unbalance WvW. So what is it? Either way, if you don’t like it. Stop playing. Go create your own game.
Thing thing is for those that like to do the other things to be of use to there friends should they be asked to join in on the random party they now have to grind out there gear all over again. Where as if they left stat tier alown they wouldent be useless. This is the problem with vertical progression. Those that dont do it get left behind. So even skilled players are rendered useless if they dont keep there gear up.
as far as i saw it , it supposed to be TOP item
Considering the costs of the item reach at 30 exotic jewels
So i suggest to upgrade it to the new item category, with better stats, unless that it becomes an dead item , worthless to spend 70+ gold on .
Not sure about an neck upgrade for it but they have added a ring version in the ascended tier.
Ya dont remember when i seen it buy on zerker set its estimated like a 60% boost to crit damage for the entire set.
I’m estimating closer to 30% extra crit damage, myself. With about 180 power, and 90 precision. So an increase in almost 5% crit rate, 20% extra “base” damage from power. All netted up.. around 25-30% more than someone in exotics, and another 10% from the base weapon damage going up. Sum difference will be right around 40% more dps.
That’s my personal estimate, anyway. I’m not sure I even care enough to do a full write up of the maths or why I picked which numbers are most likely, like some of my other maths explanation posts in the past. Maybe I’ll d a full write up though, despite it seeming drudgingly painful atm, which is odd because I usually enjoy it.
The one i saw was done with stats simular to rings and such instead of runes/sigil’s added to armor and weapons.
Ah yeah, the trifogre is a bit of an anomaly though. They’ve actually said in a blog somewhere that they didn’t plan on making the triforge into a corresponding ascended yet, so I’m not sure if that comparison is accurate.
It’d be best to compare any of the other ascended rings versus other exotics rings for a more accurate picture.
Then your best off using (http://www.gw2db.com/items/71372-bagh-nakh) to (http://www.gw2db.com/items/58008-ruby-orichalcum-ring) and (http://www.gw2db.com/items/26447-exquisite-beryl-jewel-s)
EDIT: Wow i really cant copy and past the proper links today. Here we go proper items.
That is even moreextreme than I had initially thought.
+7, +5, +3, +3, +1%, +1%. And an infusion slot. 12 primary, 6 secondary, and 2% secondary…. and with a fine infusion another 5. The 2% would be likely a 6 if a non% stat type… so, 27 stat points better with only a fine quality infusion…
Ya and this is why me and others are in such an uproar over this. When you compair (http://www.gw2db.com/items/58008-ruby-orichalcum-ring) and (http://www.gw2db.com/items/26447-exquisite-beryl-jewel-s) to (http://www.gw2db.com/items/58001-ruby-mithril-ring) and (http://www.gw2db.com/items/26410-beryl-orb-s) you see that its a +8, +6, +5, +1, +1% which is a total of a 20 point stat boost with a 1% boost from rare to exotic. Where as this new ascended is a 18 point stat boost with a 2% boost from exotic to ascended. Everyone already admits the difference from rare to exotic is noticeable what do you thing basically the same change from exotic to ascended is going to be.
Oh trust me, I’m in the same boat. Do not want. Feeling betrayed and swindled. I’m trying to remain as objective as possible though, and work on making sure everyone is on the same page as far as what the introduction of this new tier of gear really means. Which is going to end up being around 375 stat increase minimum, another good chunk of weapon damage, and armor. I’m predicting 25-30% dps increase in full berserk ascended vs exotic… because of the way power, precision, and crit damage scale so well off of one another, the higher you stack them the more powerful they all become, combined by the fact the ascended tier weapon if it follows gear quality trends (even slightly) will increase damage by 10%+ all on its own.
People are going to notice. Maybe not right away, most people lack the foresight to see the implications of changes… but when a warrior 100 blades them for over 30k… they’ll notice. Or a thief backstabs them for 15k+ again… (plus another 12k from mug and C&D)… But hey… it isn’t like anyone likes wvw, and certainly no one would use ascended gear out in the open fields of battle, right? It is going to be a trainwreck.
Oh right… hmm, I’m not doing so great at remaining neutral >.<
Ya dont remember where i seen it but on zerker set its estimated like a 60% boost to crit damage for the entire set.
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Ah yeah, the trifogre is a bit of an anomaly though. They’ve actually said in a blog somewhere that they didn’t plan on making the triforge into a corresponding ascended yet, so I’m not sure if that comparison is accurate.
It’d be best to compare any of the other ascended rings versus other exotics rings for a more accurate picture.
Then your best off using (http://www.gw2db.com/items/71372-bagh-nakh) to (http://www.gw2db.com/items/58008-ruby-orichalcum-ring) and (http://www.gw2db.com/items/26447-exquisite-beryl-jewel-s)
EDIT: Wow i really cant copy and past the proper links today. Here we go proper items.
That is even moreextreme than I had initially thought.
+7, +5, +3, +3, +1%, +1%. And an infusion slot. 12 primary, 6 secondary, and 2% secondary…. and with a fine infusion another 5. The 2% would be likely a 6 if a non% stat type… so, 27 stat points better with only a fine quality infusion…
Ya and this is why me and others are in such an uproar over this. When you compair (http://www.gw2db.com/items/58008-ruby-orichalcum-ring) and (http://www.gw2db.com/items/26447-exquisite-beryl-jewel-s) to (http://www.gw2db.com/items/58001-ruby-mithril-ring) and (http://www.gw2db.com/items/26410-beryl-orb-s) you see that its a +8, +6, +5, +1, +1% which is a total of a 20 point stat boost with a 1% boost from rare to exotic. Where as this new ascended is a 18 point stat boost with a 2% boost from exotic to ascended. Everyone already admits the difference from rare to exotic is noticeable what do you thing basically the same change from exotic to ascended is going to be.
Ah yeah, the trifogre is a bit of an anomaly though. They’ve actually said in a blog somewhere that they didn’t plan on making the triforge into a corresponding ascended yet, so I’m not sure if that comparison is accurate.
It’d be best to compare any of the other ascended rings versus other exotics rings for a more accurate picture.
Then your best off using (http://www.gw2db.com/items/71372-bagh-nakh) to (http://www.gw2db.com/items/58008-ruby-orichalcum-ring) and (http://www.gw2db.com/items/26447-exquisite-beryl-jewel-s)
EDIT: Wow i really cant copy and past the proper links today. Here we go proper items.
(edited by SiNoS.2147)
Okay here we go, it’ll take me a while to find the correlating exotic + jewel for this, but this has way way way way way more stats than the other than just +3, especially considering the stats shown at the bottom:
Just to note those bottom stats only work in the dungeon. But the rest of it still is out of dungeon stats.
Is that accurate? What is your sorce for this info?
The bottom stats are the infusion which only works in the dungeon…
1. Thank you for not answering my question.
2. That is not the infusion, as it does not have agony resistance.So… what makes you think infusions only function in the dungeon?
1: How did i not answer your question?
2: Granted at 2nd glance i dont see agony resistance but at the same time looking at the total stats up top in green there is no magic find, there is also no open infusion slot on that item which leaves me to beleave that might be an offensive infusion which in just the name leads me to the thought it might not actually have agony resistance.Well its been stated that infusions work to counter the effects of dungeon. From that imo, its not fact, the infusion’s only work in agony dungeon’s. As i’ve yet to see proof to the contrary ill stay with that thought. Otherwise Ascended gear is even worse than what i initially thought. Yes i am actually against ascended gear btw.
These are not infusions. Go to the database and do a search on infusions (be sure to click item not skill), they all have agony resist.
All items in the database are raw, unupgraded things. I.e. no jewels on thew exotics, no infusions on the rings, no runes on the armor, etc.
Thing about the item database’s are they are notorious for having the wrong info on items.
Usually not substantially. We’re about to find out real soon, and the odds are very badly against us.
Well you guys who are still playing anyways.
Eh look one post up. I made an edit to it :/.
Okay here we go, it’ll take me a while to find the correlating exotic + jewel for this, but this has way way way way way more stats than the other than just +3, especially considering the stats shown at the bottom:
Just to note those bottom stats only work in the dungeon. But the rest of it still is out of dungeon stats.
Is that accurate? What is your sorce for this info?
The bottom stats are the infusion which only works in the dungeon…
1. Thank you for not answering my question.
2. That is not the infusion, as it does not have agony resistance.So… what makes you think infusions only function in the dungeon?
1: How did i not answer your question?
2: Granted at 2nd glance i dont see agony resistance but at the same time looking at the total stats up top in green there is no magic find, there is also no open infusion slot on that item which leaves me to beleave that might be an offensive infusion which in just the name leads me to the thought it might not actually have agony resistance.Well its been stated that infusions work to counter the effects of dungeon. From that imo, its not fact, the infusion’s only work in agony dungeon’s. As i’ve yet to see proof to the contrary ill stay with that thought. Otherwise Ascended gear is even worse than what i initially thought. Yes i am actually against ascended gear btw.
These are not infusions. Go to the database and do a search on infusions (be sure to click item not skill), they all have agony resist.
All items in the database are raw, unupgraded things. I.e. no jewels on thew exotics, no infusions on the rings, no runes on the armor, etc.
Thing about the item database’s are they are notorious for having the wrong info on items.
Although that being said i did look threw it and just realized the item you linked would be the upgrade to the triforge Pendant in ring form, (http://www.gw2db.com/items/924-triforge-pendant), also added to that they link there stats differently in that database. So yes i am mistaken those bottom stats are infact the 2nd set of stats that these items have.
(edited by SiNoS.2147)
Okay here we go, it’ll take me a while to find the correlating exotic + jewel for this, but this has way way way way way more stats than the other than just +3, especially considering the stats shown at the bottom:
Just to note those bottom stats only work in the dungeon. But the rest of it still is out of dungeon stats.
Is that accurate? What is your sorce for this info?
The bottom stats are the infusion which only works in the dungeon…
1. Thank you for not answering my question.
2. That is not the infusion, as it does not have agony resistance.So… what makes you think infusions only function in the dungeon?
1: How did i not answer your question?
2: Granted at 2nd glance i dont see agony resistance but at the same time looking at the total stats up top in green there is no magic find, there is also no open infusion slot on that item which leaves me to beleave that might be an offensive infusion which in just the name leads me to the thought it might not actually have agony resistance.
Well its been stated that infusions work to counter the effects of dungeon. From that imo, its not fact, the infusion’s only work in agony dungeon’s. As i’ve yet to see proof to the contrary ill stay with that thought. Otherwise Ascended gear is even worse than what i initially thought. Yes i am actually against ascended gear btw.
Okay here we go, it’ll take me a while to find the correlating exotic + jewel for this, but this has way way way way way more stats than the other than just +3, especially considering the stats shown at the bottom:
Just to note those bottom stats only work in the dungeon. But the rest of it still is out of dungeon stats.
Is that accurate? What is your sorce for this info?
The bottom stats are the infusion which only works in the dungeon…
Okay here we go, it’ll take me a while to find the correlating exotic + jewel for this, but this has way way way way way more stats than the other than just +3, especially considering the stats shown at the bottom:
Just to note those bottom stats only work in the dungeon. But the rest of it still is out of dungeon stats.
3 points or 12% is just a different way of saying the same thing
14% is more correct. I believe the exact number that was figured was something like 13.8% if memory serves, but that is just spling hairs.
The difference is, your +3 is just plain wrong Reggy my friend. The example item shown in the announcement itself had +5 power, +5 precion, and +3% magic find. It also had an empty slot to fill with an infusion, and we’ve found that infusions (fine grade) add another 5 to a stat. For a total of +15, and +3%.
After finding more examples than the initial one in the release, we’ve learned that the typical spread is +7, +5, +5, and the extra +5 from a fine infusion. For a total of +22… and that is per item.
+22… +3… hrm, yeah… how are those the same?
Not to ruin your math but does this consider empty upgrade slots for armors/weapons?
Your question is irrelevant in the way you ask it. But to answer the question I think you are trying to ask, yes, it accounts for the total difference in stats possible, not just the difference of an empty exotic vs empty ascended.
An upgraded Exotic ring with an exotic jewel will have 22 less stats than an Ascended ring with a fine infusion.
Ok so lets go from here. Assuming what you say is true then its a bigger stat upgrade. This stat upgrade is only necessary for 1 dungeon. Once again I still don’t see what all the complaints are about.
Because it infact isent for just that dungeon. Anyone wanting to be competitive in wvw has to have this gear or be at a disadvantage.
Wrong. You do not NEED this gear for WvWvW, if anything you WANT it. And in that way Arena Net has succeded.
Ok then once people have full sets let see you go into WvW without it. You will notice a massive power gap. You do NEED this gear. Your full of false info.
How so? I’ve taken my level 8 elementalist into WvW and had no issues living, competing and playing through the area. So you have more of a challenge to overcome. Its still a choice.
Sure you can do it but a level 8 will be smashed when caught by a 80. On my guard if i rush into the other zerg i find out real quick if its lowbies or not as if they are low level they are dead in a hurry. I dident mean you couldent go in with lower stuff. I ment in order to compete you do infact need this new gear. As for naked you would be dead in a hurry against anyone familar with wvw.
3 points or 12% is just a different way of saying the same thing
14% is more correct. I believe the exact number that was figured was something like 13.8% if memory serves, but that is just spling hairs.
The difference is, your +3 is just plain wrong Reggy my friend. The example item shown in the announcement itself had +5 power, +5 precion, and +3% magic find. It also had an empty slot to fill with an infusion, and we’ve found that infusions (fine grade) add another 5 to a stat. For a total of +15, and +3%.
After finding more examples than the initial one in the release, we’ve learned that the typical spread is +7, +5, +5, and the extra +5 from a fine infusion. For a total of +22… and that is per item.
+22… +3… hrm, yeah… how are those the same?
Not to ruin your math but does this consider empty upgrade slots for armors/weapons?
Your question is irrelevant in the way you ask it. But to answer the question I think you are trying to ask, yes, it accounts for the total difference in stats possible, not just the difference of an empty exotic vs empty ascended.
An upgraded Exotic ring with an exotic jewel will have 22 less stats than an Ascended ring with a fine infusion.
Ok so lets go from here. Assuming what you say is true then its a bigger stat upgrade. This stat upgrade is only necessary for 1 dungeon. Once again I still don’t see what all the complaints are about.
Because it infact isent for just that dungeon. Anyone wanting to be competitive in wvw has to have this gear or be at a disadvantage.
Wrong. You do not NEED this gear for WvWvW, if anything you WANT it. And in that way Arena Net has succeded.
Ok then once people have full sets let see you go into WvW without it. You will notice a massive power gap. You do NEED this gear. Your full of false info.
3 points or 12% is just a different way of saying the same thing
14% is more correct. I believe the exact number that was figured was something like 13.8% if memory serves, but that is just spling hairs.
The difference is, your +3 is just plain wrong Reggy my friend. The example item shown in the announcement itself had +5 power, +5 precion, and +3% magic find. It also had an empty slot to fill with an infusion, and we’ve found that infusions (fine grade) add another 5 to a stat. For a total of +15, and +3%.
After finding more examples than the initial one in the release, we’ve learned that the typical spread is +7, +5, +5, and the extra +5 from a fine infusion. For a total of +22… and that is per item.
+22… +3… hrm, yeah… how are those the same?
Not to ruin your math but does this consider empty upgrade slots for armors/weapons?
Your question is irrelevant in the way you ask it. But to answer the question I think you are trying to ask, yes, it accounts for the total difference in stats possible, not just the difference of an empty exotic vs empty ascended.
An upgraded Exotic ring with an exotic jewel will have 22 less stats than an Ascended ring with a fine infusion.
Ok so lets go from here. Assuming what you say is true then its a bigger stat upgrade. This stat upgrade is only necessary for 1 dungeon. Once again I still don’t see what all the complaints are about.
Because it infact isent for just that dungeon. Anyone wanting to be competitive in wvw has to have this gear or be at a disadvantage.
GW1 wasn’t an MMO, so there’s that.
How do you figure its not an mmo?
3 points or 12% is just a different way of saying the same thing
14% is more correct. I believe the exact number that was figured was something like 13.8% if memory serves, but that is just spling hairs.
The difference is, your +3 is just plain wrong Reggy my friend. The example item shown in the announcement itself had +5 power, +5 precion, and +3% magic find. It also had an empty slot to fill with an infusion, and we’ve found that infusions (fine grade) add another 5 to a stat. For a total of +15, and +3%.
After finding more examples than the initial one in the release, we’ve learned that the typical spread is +7, +5, +5, and the extra +5 from a fine infusion. For a total of +22… and that is per item.
+22… +3… hrm, yeah… how are those the same?
Not to ruin your math but does this consider empty upgrade slots for armors/weapons?
Actually it does. Current item for example is 14/14/20+15/15/25 new item is 17/17/18/18/32/5%
Now that 5% may not look it but in general 1% is worth atleast +10 to a stat.
Heres an img of an ascended item.
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Well as the title says I’am new to GW2 and I was trying to figure out what class is the best for PVE I’am not much of a pvp player so don’t mind anything to do with that. I liked the Memser but everyone I talked to said they are bad lol. So any help on what the best PVE player is and what kinda gear/tips you might have. Lets put it this way I’am used to playing wow lol and this game is way bigger and better. =)
Well ill touch on this slightly. Mesmer like anything else really comes down to the player behind it. Some of the best group’s i’ve been in had mesmer’s in them. Thing is mesmer is kinda strange. Unless your very good with them they seem kinda useless in reguards to other classes that are played by average players. Thats where in my eyes the hate comes from. Theres little difference between average mesmers and bad mesmers.
My advice to you though is play what you like. You know what kind of player you are and what you enjoy. I could give you the best setup out there but frankly if your not into it your not going to do very good in most cases. If mesmer jives with you play it and enjoy it.
3 points or 12% is just a different way of saying the same thing
Thing is its actually 5 points on the low side of the gear. Add 14 pieces of gear with the main stat as well and those numbers add up. THAT is the issue.
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No, you need it. FotM is the only content worth doing now.
Q: Why is it the only content worth doing?
A: Because it is the content that gives better gear!
Q: Why do you need better gear?
A: Duh, because otherwise you cannot progress in the dungeons…
Q: Why do you need to progress in dungeons?
A: It is the only content worth doing…
Q: Why again?
A: To get better gear, what are you not understanding? Better gear! Better gear! dungeons give better gear!
Q: Ah, I think I get it… but why do you need better gear?
Mainly because once the full set is out it wont be such a minor update to your stats. Frankly they should have never increased base stats above exotic. Want to add infusions thats fine given those have no effect outside that dungeon and frankly in order to do higher levels you would have most likely already earned a few infusions by the time you get to the point you needed them. But the stats them selfs are what most are up in arms about. Its vertical progression which they said they were not going to do.