Guild Wars 2

coolcat.4638:

It really takes away from needing to scout and pay attention to the map. Now that you can see what guild claims where and when somewhere is taken, you don’t even have to look at the map except when the new names of objectives are not known.

before we had scout or roaming guy to do that… Now it’s all automatic…
Same for the upgrade… Before we had scout, now it’s automatic…

Continu to remove people from the game… Soon the next step is to add npc who will build ram on gate and attack ennemy tower…

very good post, just bad that Anet don’t care and want to kill WvW…

I hate EB, even more that the new BL….
HoT just made that EB have more player when the BL are close to dead now…

And my server is not full…. It’s just anet who say that… I don’t see my server as full… He is not full… Really not….

hum… guys…. do you know that we have 10+ server close on EU ?
How should I transfer to higher server if they are all close ?
And for what ? There is no one who play at off peak time now… You can have some fun at prime time, but off peak is dead…

Then yeah, at least with server merge we could try to regroup the players at off peak time to maybe have 20 people online and not only 3…

And yes, my server is full…. But only in arenanet head… Except EB we don’t see queue… Imagine at off peak time…

Then please, stop with the “just move to up tier server”..

Play less in wvw now with the new xpac, close to only at prime time. At off peak time I farm in eotm, I need 20 more level to unlock all ability.
Will probably stop playing in few weeks if they don’t change the auto upgrade and remove the central event. Maybe just join some times at prime time for 1H or 2, but not more. Was used to play for hours at off peak times..

yep don’t worry, all work as expected

Anet will not merge server…. HoT is a big sucess, look at all those full server.
We have hundred of players in game.
Well, we didn’t see them on the new BL, but they are here, for sure, look, lot of server are full…

I prefer people looking for reward that no people at all…
You can’t do anything with no one on the map…

And in those people searching for reward, you will have a few % who will try to learn, and maybe play other style that only following the blue tag…

the old map with the new game mechanic will be the same thing… Maybe a little more players, but the core will probably not play…
And the casual player just log in, see that there is no one, and log out…
Killing the core players to be friendly with casual player is not the solution… But anet don’t understand that..

Zephyra.4709:

Maybe the devs are hiding from the WvW forums due to the intense backlash, verbally abusive, extreme saltiness and nasty, unhelpful, non-constructive feedback players seem to be giving them.

Not saying your post is laden with nasty things, in fact, it is quite civil and reasonable – I too, share similar thoughts and seek concrete answers… But sadly when the player base can only spew “this content is bad” and demand it to be addressed then no wonder we/those posts don’t get looked at.

A better attempt would be “this content is bad because X, it could be fixed by doing X ect” I believe these are the constructive questions/feedback ANet wants to see/will listen to but sadly many players resort to flame and aggrivation thus we get no where.

However, even though there is quite a handful of good/legitimate feedback, it is puzzling to see such silence from the devs and probes further questions… “Do they even listen to us or furthermore, care?”

There is a lot of constructive feedback and no answer… Don’t think that all player are only here to attack the dev…. There are many suggestion, explanation but no response…
Stop with this to say that the dev didn’t answer because we are all angry…. We are angry because no answer…

Do you think it’s a normal dev process to publish the new map with the WP available even if the structure is not of your color ? Ok fixed after few days…
Do you find ok that the south doly for UC is just dying in flamme before reaching the gate ? The doly go directly in the fire ! He don’t even try to go on the bridge… kitten , some testing about that before publishing the map ? And no answer from anet and no patch ofc..
Same for the south doly from palace, this one don’t even spawn… Game is made about dolly reaching keep, and the side keep have only 1 because the other don’t work…

I have explain a multiple time now why wvw is going to die, but no answer.
Maybe if anet can explain the new choice, maybe we can understand why they have made that… But nop… We see no one…

Then stop defending anet and say that’s the people fault if the dev don’t speak here.

I have never play on eotm before the new BL…. And now I play very often on this map…. Yeah the map is horrible, but at least we have people…. The new BL is the same KT, but with 2 people on your team and maybe 3 on the ennemy…
At least to do KT on eotm you have people to do that…
Recently I had more fight in EOTM that on the new BL…
Don’t kill eotm because the new BL map and mechanic are a big fail…

Removing eotm to try to save wvw it’s not the good answer…. Fix the new BL will be the best to do…

@Catalin that good to know thx

Stay where you are atm…. A lot of server are full and we don’t see too much people on those server… I don’t even imagine how should be the non full server…

keadlaw.6350:

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The free auto upgrade, no WP on side keep, WP at T0 on rampart and the south tower are a big part of the actual fail of the new map… Even more that the map itself.
The only thing they had to do was to make upgrade free for money, not for supply…. And reinforce the Yak… That is a very very good thing… Faster and stronger yak is a really good thing… But now the Yak are close to useless…
And those new WP placement…. Seriously…. And don’t talk me about those new emergency WP…

At least if the south WP could be used by all team…. But only at T0… Ths will make the south tower very very important… But WP at T0 only for 1 team is…. well…. no word for that…

Who should cry ? Consumer like me who pay and only play on WvW and see this game mode broken by all the new hot stuff (map + mechanics + lags).
Or the “artist” who is payed to make the job ?

Anet probably close the server to say “you see, lot of people are playing, plenty server are full, our game work fine”.
But the truth is that a lot of closed server have no one ingame… I didn’t see more than 5 to 10 man queue on 1 map at prime time… If we can have 5 people during the day on the BL it’s awesome…. This is really not a full server…

Anet try to spread the population, to avoid to close half of the server and recognize that WvW is loosing majority of the players… But at then end you could have save the top server, but they will just kill all of them…

Just look at that : http://dl.cafe-philo.net/map.png
My server, Piken is green…. Did you call that a full server ? There is close to no one to play the game…

On my server (Piken) I see a lot more of KT that before…. Really a lot more….
We always try to defend our BL before, but now… The map is just empty, and as defender I really don’t care to defend those big thing… All run alone…. no WP…. Really no pleasure to defend now…

Zanther Deathbringer.4762:

GROMIT.7829:

As for defending why should we defend, no time, energy or gold went into upgrading anything so no one cares if it flips, especially at night coz come morning everything on everyborder is T3 again with zero input.

Score maybe? You know, those numbers that tell you who win?

PPT is not all…. You earn nothing if you win the MU… Your server don’t earn nothing if you win the MU… But building and defending a keep with WP is more interesting because you have to make something (starting upgrade, protecting doly, team work) and you have something usefull in return (the WP).

yeah, don’t really want to fight when you have to run for 5 min to come back if you die…

We don’t care about those nodes.
But when you see that the south doly can’t reach the keep and they focus on those node ? Seriously ?
The south west doly die in flamme before going in UC.
The south east doly just don’t spawn at all…

And I don’t speak about the lag with the central event, all the complain about the auto upgrade or the missing WP.

About that they do nothing, but they change the nodes… Yeah… That’s probably more important…

PVE seem fine because you have the megaserver…. You can’t know if there is 1 map or 20 at the same time.
We have 27 server in EU…. This mean 27×4 maps every time….
Try the same in PVE you will see if PVE is full or not…

yeah you need to upgrade your guild for all those stuff… But how many guild will be able to do that ? Lot of scout who claim stuff have personnal guild and won’t be able to do that… Fighting guild only playing at prime time don’t even care to claim stuff.
And emergency WP have a timer once used. We don’t want that, we want a real WP to be able to move on the map at off peak time.
The few people who care to defend the map are the scout, except to build 5 ghost guild with the same people in the 5 guild to be able to claim something I don’t know how to do.
To build you guild hall you need to grind some stupid PVE stuff. This cost tons of gold… Yeah they remove the cost for the upgrade but they add tons of gold to spend just to be able to claim something in the game !!

Sentinel are interesting, but before you had roamer or scout who speak in /map, who follow the ennemy zerg… Now just take the sentry, they make the job… Before you need team job to upgrade stuff… Now, no one care…

Sentry / auto upgrade / free upgrade are the wrong answers…. We need people to play the game not add AI to do it because there is no one in the game.
Closing server that only have 5 man queue on EB during prime time is non sense…

We need less server with more people on each server. No map with auto run.

And those guild hall…. no comment…. The people who really act in game at off peak time are not able to build those thing…

Simple exemple this morning… I join my home, and we just lost palace…
Well ok, I start to check the map, the other keep.
First of all we have all T3, that’s interesting, at least no ennemy have attack for a long time. Not that I don’t think that the night crew did a job job, just that there is no ennemy…
I go to rampart, all gate are at 5%….. It’s the same for everything on the map… Except UC and 1 south tower where the gate are at 50%. Probably the upgrade was between the 2 laser event.

This mean that this night we had 2 canon event against us, no one care to repair everything because I know what is to repair 1 fortified gate…. Now try to repair all fortified gate everywhere with a very small team, or maybe alone (I was alone on the map when we lost the first keep).

Then what have we do ? I have announce that in our community guild, and all agree with me. We just wait that the ennemy KT all our map, because no one want to repair all those gate. And once they have finish we just start to take back all our stuff…
Auto free upgrade will do the job…. With the few ennemy we see during the day those thing should be T3 in few hours again with full life gate…

Finally we had more wvw xp, and we made something more interesting that repairing every gate…

If people where needed to build those T3, then we probably make the choice to save what we can because we know that people on our server have work to have those T3. But all is automatic and free, then we just don’t care…

And really, this canon event must be removed !!!

You can keep the basic upgrade, only T1/T2/T3.
But at least that need human intervention..
And I prefer the fact that you need to use your supply to build the upgrade… But if Anet don’t want to bring that back, make at least that the keep need x amount of doly to make the upgrade.
And for me we really need back the WP on all keep, but only at T3 (same for rampart). And remove the south WP.
Finally remove the central event and I think that WvW could restart to live…

Honestly the map is big, and more vertical. But with time you learn it, and when you earn the keep you have a lot of shortcut. The map itself is not the worse thing… As say before I prefer the new map with some change on upgrade management, that the old map with the new upgrade.

Those few change can probably be make without too much work and will be more interesting to play…. At least I would like to see 1 dev speak about that.
Will they look at those change ? Or should we just stop playing the game because they won’t change anything ?

Yeah, Piken Square, full server…. Only 1 map with 5 man queue yesterday… EB…
Home BL, outnumbered…
For me full server mean all 4 map with at least 20 man queue… At least on this people you have some who play during off peak time…

But now we have difficulty to have enough people at prime time and we have close to no one at off peak time.

Thx Anet to make that server full.

Nice post thx.
The trouble we have with the south yak for the keep make that it’s difficult to try to take and hold side keep on ennemy BL.
And running doly (escorting and perma swiftness) allow to upgrade the keep very fast.
But it would be easier if the south camp work…

And we see with the respawn time for the doly that it’s very important to escort them if you want to fast upgrade something.

Doly with perma speed reach the keep very fast and respawn very quickly. But if he die it take a long time before he will respawn.

you can add the doly from the south east supply camp to palace don’t spawn…
Or to give more information, the doly spawn 1 time, and after that seem stuck or whatever near the west gate. If you go to the west gate after the bridge you will see on the right the defend doly event but no dolly.
This bug was on the old BL, and it’s back on the new…

Nightshade.2570:

I guess it didn’t occur to people that some of the best fights could happen while wrestling over these monsters and thier power cores.

Had so many fun fights there now

nop, too much lag during this event if you have some people connected…. 2s skill lag don’t make the fight fun….

BrickFurious.7169:

Some of the new ones in particular, like the shrines and the oasis event, seem to bother people. That’s fine, I’d love to hear their complaints. What about those objectives exactly do you not like? Just saying “too much PvE” is absolutely meaningless.

hum the central event….
The big lag when this event start ?
The fact that this help the stronger server
The fact that this just will make more KT on the map…
That this event just break all your door (basic gate > open, reinforced > 20% > fortified > 50%). You don’t have enough man crew to make the event against your ennemy and now you have to spread your people to repair and defend…
At least if that kitten only attack outer gate but no… This destroy inner too….
Oh yes and I like the fact to kill dino to power a giant laser….

This event is to strong, he only help the biggest team on the map and help to make more KT. This event should just be removed totaly (because of lag), or at least remove the canon and give reward chest. 3 level of chest for each team (first / second / third). Because actually it’s all or nothing. You know that if you can’t win you will earn nothing. Then no interest to at least try to slow the ennemy..

For the other stuff I don’t care… The lord are easy to kill. Just don’t try to attack them with a full map blob.. I have killed keep lord at 3, and tower lord at 2… Alone it’s difficult, but I can with a lot of time.
The supply camp are easy to take, just the T3 are annoying alone, but easy at 2.

The problem with that is that you have no more fight to defend the supply camp. Because no one care. More dolly, auto upgrade free of supply, less max storage. And no WP on side keep, then it take too much time to run to south camp to try to defend them. Before with the WP you will try to defend at all cost the supply near bay and hills. Because you was close to your WP and same for the ennemy.
And controling the supply camp help a lot for the upgrade inside the keep.

If you remove WP, supply for upgrade you remove the fight around the supply camp.

This is because all the bad mechanics…

the interest to have a lot of people on some server is to have more people at off peak time… If your server is full but 90% are playing only at prime time then you will have some issue with off peak.
This thing with full server is stupid. Just let people join any server they want. They will leave alone if they have too much queue on map on prime time. But at least you will have a small part of those people to play at off peak time..

Chase.2798:

As someone who plays on a small server i dont understand the enjoyment of 80 man zergs and you people trying to join the fullest servers while there is plenty of empty servers….is it cowardice?

I’m on a full server, but I like to play at off peak time. Today I play during 2H on my home border. I see 2 friendly and 3 ennemy… In 2H… The first ennemy that I see just run away… To come back few minutes later with his 2 friends..
One other server we fight this week is full too ! The other one is very high…

How I’m supposed to play on this map with 2 friendly and 3 ennemy during 2H play time ?!? Where do you see any blob ?? Yesterday at prime time we had 1 map with 5 man queue… Waouw… This is a full server for sure….

And to do what on that map ? All is automatic… Structures don’t need supply to upgrade, don’t even need doly… All is T3 and full supply without any one on the map…
What the meaning to have all automatic ? Give something to do to players at least…

And kitten , runing on this map for 2H to take back camp… Without WP… Seriously…
I want to give a chance to this map, but seriously… They have broke WvW… The new map itself, the new game mechanic (central event, no wp on keep, wp at T0, auto free uprade).

For the moment I don’t even try anymore to play outside the prime time…. Useless, pointless… And most of all, boring…

lol yeah, Piken is full… But we don’t have queue at prime time…. Tonight we had 1 map with 5 people on queue…. And during the day there is just no one…. Just some few people on eb…. That is a full server ?!?
Or maybe we have people login in wvw, see the mess, and then go back to pve… But they count as active player.. Yeah….

The WvW after HoT is really a bad jokes…

Haralin.1473:

Maybe CU will force them to do something in WvW or they will lose some Core WvW players.

for that CU have to come out….

Jayne.9251:

Really glad I bought you that expansion now, lol.

It’s only for that, that I want to give a try to this map… Honnestly the off peak job is just dead… And it’s not only for lack of people, but for all those bad mechanics.

For what I know there is some people in pve to do the new stuff. And there is a lot of people in pve because WvW is just boring now… The new mechanics have killed a good part of the game.

if people are zerging it’s maybe because it’s the most efficient ?
If you have 3/4 people defending some keep, you can’t just take it with 10+ group… Or this will take some hours… Because first of all you have to drain all the sups with multiple attack…. Treb, cata, ram, etc… Then people just regroup to KT…
I have defend palace at 4 people against group going up to 15+ without any problem… Do you think that you can have multiple 30+ group on the same map ?

it’s not about “don’t complain, bla bla bla”.
Plenty of people explain why there is some problem in WvW… They have explain, demonstrate… It’s not just complaining….
But other people who defend the new map only know to say “take time, wait, stop whinning…”…

Then I just want someone who explain me something :
– How removing WP in the keep will make them more important on the map ?
– How removing side keep WP will make roaming more exciting. Yeah because before if you had 1 tagged camp at south you will use the WP to check what happen asap. Now you just let the camp flip.
– How making free auto upgrade will make the supply camp and the dolly more important ?
– How making the tower totally disconnected from the keep will make them more important to hold ?
– How making all upgrade automatic and free will give more thing to do on the map ? (don’t talk me abouth shrine who are just another pve stuff to do).
– How should some central pve event with big canon destroying all the gate will help to defend when you are outnumbered ?
– How giving the WP inside rampart at T0 will make this one more important to defend at all cost ?
Now give me good reason to accept all those change, tell me WHY this is best for WvW.
I don’t want some generic answers like “just wait, learn the map, stop whinning”. I need real answers. Because I have explain why all those thing are bad, I really want to listen to people saying that those thing are good for WvW, and ofc at off peak time when there is close to no one on the map.

just give back the WP and the map will no more seem to be so big.

Rampart is interesting to defend. I didn’t check too much UC atm.
But I have some trouble with palace.
You have the north outer wall, I really don’t know how to defend this one against proxy cata. You have the exact same issue with the south inner wall.

Then you have the hills at south west from the south gate. You can place cata to attack the south wall. The good counter spot for that is on the hills where the vista is. You can place counter cata/ac/treb (treb to counter treb from near the south supply camp).

But those defensive siege can be destroyed by ennemy balista. Then if you build those siege in advance, you have to stay close…. Because if the ennemy build balista or other thing before you use yours, then they can destroy your defensive stuff before you even try to use it…

This mean that it’s really impotant that you have perma scout at south, and more mobile scout for others gate.
The west gate is really easy to defend, and no wall… The west wall is near the north gate.

what the point to do the event ?
2 solution :
– You are the stronger team on the map, you will always win the event and this will just help you to take ennemy stuff.
– You are the weaker, you will always loose and this will just help your ennemy to take the stuff you have already difficulty to hold.

And I see now multiple time during the day that just no one do the event ! No team at all…. Because it’s boring like hell…

you can place treb that can shoot outer and inner at the east side too, not difficult to find those spot.
You can shoot west gate at rampart from close to UC, the ennemy can’t counter treb you.
You can place proxy cata at north palace wall and south inner wall on the right, ennemy won’t be able to defend with siege because there is no way to counter that. The only counter is to jump with your own zerg.
Same for north west tower, build a proxy cata on the north wall, ac won’t be able to shoot that cata if they are too far from the wall border. And if they are too close you can shoot the ac with caster, or building balista on the little hill just in front of the spot.

I will probably found other spot like that on other structure, don’t have the time for the moment. But yes, you can destroy wall and the ennemy can’t defend with siege against that…

coglin.1867:

No.

I prefer to see everyone complain about borderlands they havn’t actually tried

lol…. I have play plenty hours on this new map…. off peak time, prime time…. Really a lot…
And if you can have some fun during prime time because there is people on the map at off peak time it’s a dead zone…
Before you had few activity, but you have something to do… Managing upgrade, placing siege (because keep was interesting with the WP), running doly, asking for help to defend supply camp…

No all run alone…. Really alone… You just have to take back supply camp… Shrine are useless if there is no ennemy on the map.

Before when the south camp where tagged, you can use the WP on the side keep to try to defend it. Now no one will try, too much to run… You will just go later to take it back.

This make less pvp and more pve. Before roamer had people to fight, because defender where able to jump quickly where the contest is. Now all take too much time, roamer will not see ennemy…

We need non auto upgrade, we need supply to do the upgrade, we need the old max supply storage and we need WP on all the keep but only at T3.
And yes this is more difficult to upgrade this way, but more challenging and more interesting. And I play as defender, mainly scout or defending supply line.

Oh and don’t forget some solution for small guild or personnal guild to activate upgrade… As scout I had 2 personnal guild for that… Now it’s impossible to activate upgrade for those guilds… I will only be able to activate the upgrade for the main server guild…

This event is to be removed…. It’s one of the condition for me to stay in the game….
I hate this event, he has nothing to do here… Keep the event, remove the canon, give some bonus chest to player who succeed…. At least remove this canon….
This event is just here for more KT. My team lost our map because this event, and our team take ennemy map with this event. There is no glory or honor to take ennemy map just with killing some pve mobs…. Do the event, damage all the gates and just finish the job with your KT.

There is good thing on this map… Fortified gate, higher wall, protected dolly. But a lot of bad thing… Auto free upgrade, central event, no wp on side keep, no tactical advantage to hold tower…
The map itself will not be changed by anet, they have spent to much money to make it… And if you control the keep and you learn the shortcut you can run very fast… But you have to always WP to rampart.
And on my opinion they have made this BL for each side control one part of each BL. Then you are always close to your WP. But we don’t have enough people to defend 1BL at off peak time, how should we have enough to cover 3 ?

I love the new fortified gate, I like the fortified wall, but you have to earn it… This mean taking care of the keep, upgrading stuff with human intervention, running doly, needing supply for the upgrade ,etc…
Fortified gate must come with a cost… It’s a very good thing to avoid ennemy zerg crushing keep in 3min, but this should not be for free without any human intervention.

yes, it can be difficult for people who have all classess…. But I have only 2, because I know I don’t have enough time to play more…

seriously, I have no problem to unlock my elite, and I only play in WvW… 250 HP is not so much for something “elite”…

killing dinosaur to get some power core is really not a pvp event… And it’s just a way to help the strongest team to KT the map.

Phantom.8130:

If you want to know what actual strategic purpose would be, since you seem to be under the impression that it’s…. trebs? then I’ll explain. Real strategic purpose for the towers would be to place them on the road to the keep, blocking said road, so that attackers need to deal with the tower before they’re able to strike at the other server’s heart. Not directly in front of the keep, and not even necessarily within treb distance at all. Just a semi-defensible forward outpost designed to act as a front line. And the keeps should be heavily fortified compounds designed to act as the nucleus all the surrounding areas are assisting. So you want to hold those towers to keep pressure off of your keep. And you want to attack those towers so that your next move will be pressuring the keep. Think of it like this. The keep is the heart, the camps are the veins and blood, and the towers are like the ribcage, muscles and skin. You can’t stab someone in the heart without dealing with the skin, muscles and ribcage. You shouldn’t be able to attack a keep without dealing with the towers.

kitten I would love to see this in WvW…..

Catalin.5341:

You add more pve to the maps? For what, why?

Where exactly have you seen PVE? There are way less mobs now on the map all the real mobs now are just part of an objective. Objective mobs are not PVE mobs.

Are you serious ? The central event is not a kitten.i.n.g. pve event ?!?
And pve event who give advantage to the biggest team…

Yeah now we just see the main ennemy zerg joigning your map 2min before the central event start, they do the event, and after that they just KT all you structures on the map… If they have enough people they just spread on the map because it’s impossible to defend everywhere. And your map is lost in 15min max…

less blobing you say ?