Guild Wars 2

yeah, with the upgrade I have unlock the 2 titles for the Yak.

killing lord give badge

go to eotm and follow the comm…

All the wvw have to be farmed in eotm… Or with big populated server…

I think they give the bow to the guard to be able to play the pirate ship… Because yes, it’s close to impossible to play melee atm, and the new map only help more and more pirate ship…
And seriously wtf ? Bow and trap with a guard…. kitten if I wanted to play with bow and trap I will play ranger…

don’t worry, ennemy don’t take time to search for people inside the keep because it’s a perma karma train….. I was able to stand inside inner gate with my guard…. No need to use stealth…. This is because now no one care, keep and tower are useless and don’t give any tactical advantage and there is no work to upgrade them.
And this give more wvw xp to flip the stuff… Again and again…
Even at prime time you can take most of the structures without any fight.

And btw, it’s a good thing to avoid mesmer hidding, the keep are really too big, it’s impossible to find mesmer inside without the marker.

create 3 fixed team, the community will reorganise…
The problem with eotm is that your team change every week.

the map itself is the puzzle jump

it’s funny yes
You can add the doly from south east camp not going to palace… I never see this doly spawning…

where did you get that data ?

I like the new shiny central event… Yeah… That terrible lag you have when he start if you have more that 10 people on the map… Beautifull… You don’t even need to be fighting in blob vs blob to appreciate that lag. Wonderfull.
Thx to give us that lag for a completly useless pve event who everyone hate in wvw….

And the best thing is… No answer from anet ! We have huge lag and anet don’t care….
The only answer we get is about the proof of heroic that should be linked to the soul and not the account.

This map is made for people playing 2H max at prime time with guilds, running in circle to pvd and log out…

You do a great job thx !
Does the treb at outer gate for Undercroft work ? They are really close… I didn’t test for the moment but I think that maybe some ram will not be hit by those treb.

On my server players are PVE’ing because the new map is boring… Not because they love so much pve…

Zanther Deathbringer.4762:

BassHunteR.7246:

They finally are achieving their goal:
Killing wvw mode once and for all

Most people on the unofficial wvw forums (the serious wvw’ers) disagree

lol, the map are just empty, maybe your serious wvw are all on eb ? Because the BL are just empty… You can only play on this map at prime time… And just because EB have a 40 man queue…

I have farm my HP in eotm without any problem…. It was very fast… Oh yes, I play eotm… I never play on eotm usually but the new map is so boring… The new map is just KT, at least on eotm it’s the same KT, but with people on the map…

About the “troll upgrade” yes I see that sometimes…. But 99% of the time there where no problem at all…. And even sometimes we have problem because the people don’t know what they are doing… Maybe a masteries to unlock ability to start upgrade could avoid new player to do that ? When you explain on the map how to do you have less problem with time.
I don’t want to see auto upgrade because 2 or 3 times in the week someone start a bad upgrade…. And just made that wvw ability are required to start upgrade (3 level, camp, tower, keep) this will avoid new player to do bad thing.

yeah, scouting is only about clicking buttons…. Seriously ?
Did you play the new map actually ? If they are not empty 3/4 of the time, now there is just no one to take care or to defend the structures…. Because of this auto upgrade, because of this free upgrade… And because the structure don’t give any tactical advantage !
Holding briar to avoid treb against bay… Holding north tower to avoid treb against garri… Holding supply camp to provide supply to the structures to hold them much longer… Holding keep to have WP and give a huge advantage to your team.

If structures have no value no one will care to defend and now it’s only a stupid karma train on the map. Yesterday at prime time, we have take / loose both side keep, on multiple BL map. We don’t defend it yes, but same for the other team ! You can take 3 tower / 2 keep without any fight !

That is because of the new game mechanics, and it’s not only about clicking buttons…

And there is not only prime time, prime time is 3H / days…. Don’t kill all the off peak time because some fight guild don’t want to clic buttons…

To have epic siege battle you need people to defend keep first.
To have people defending something you need keep with some value.

Actually the keep are too big, it’s a pain to siege and to scout if you are not 2 or 3 to do the job.
The keep have no wp, then there is no tactical advantage to hold the keep.
The keep upgrade alone without any intervention. If no one invest in the keep, then except PPT the keep have no value. But T0 and T3 have exactly the same PPT. Then there is no reason to spend gold and time to siege and defend. You just take the keep back once you have lost it.

This is the direct consequence to all the changes made by anet. It’s explain in multiple post on this forum. But atm no one from anet take 5min to answer us about all that this…

Sorry but the epic siege battle you have know (like fighting at garri for 3H) is now gone..
I don’t even speak about the other keep, because no wp, and too much to travel to come back once you are dead.

Thx anet, thx the new pve map who don’t need any players, except for KT.

kitten , game designer… No one who want to answer on all other post ?

I think they can keep the event, but just give a reward chest and remove the canon

if you control the keep the map is not that big. Lot of shortcut, we have to learn how to use it. The problem is the game mechanics (no wp, wp at t0, auto free upgrade, no human required, etc).

yeah, but I didn’t find any server who actually defend something…..
Not mine, and not the other who don’t even try to defend stuff when I take it back…
No one will loose time to defend useless tower with automatic upgrade.
And ppt ? Same for T0 and T3…

I have speak about that problem long before the map was out (auto free upgrade). And lot of other pehople have do the same. Anet didn’t listen, and now the map are just KT, when at least they are people on the map !

There is no problem to “grind” HP in wvw… Only masteries need pve grind.
And masteries don’t work in wvw…
Then I really don’t think that hardcore wvw player won’t go to wvw just to grind new stuff…

the good part for this new map is that for the first time I play in eotm….

and you need guild level 37….

Same for me, and I’m not on lower tier server… The new BL is dead, you can only at prime time. Map too big, nothing to do (all is automatic), no wp, too much maze..
Join your map at prime time, you should have some fun. But forget playing during the day.

VOLKON.1290:

I don’t know… I like the auto-upgrades personally. I hated baby-sitting a tower for example and having some dolt come in and kick off second worker when you’re trying to get the next upgrade going. It keeps the stupid from being able to publicly express themselves.

It’s not because you hate “baby sitting” tower that no one like this… And the auto upgrade just killed the game style for many scouts…

@Fellfoot : I’m not ok with removing all npc, but I agree with you. It’s player vs player, not npc… They should not give the job to npc because there is not enough players… The solution is not to add more npc but to remove server to concentrate people on the same map !

The next step is npc attacking tower ? building siege and killing lord ?
I love the idea to see tower loosing upgrade if no one care about those structures.

We need human playing the game, not more pve and automatic stuff. And if lower server will loose population, it’s just a natural regulation ! Just allow free transfer from lower server to highest for 2 months and then close them.

nothing about the epic fail in WvW apparently…

It’s good to see someone from anet here.
On my opinion, after playing the map for some hours now, I think we can learn to play on this map. This will take time but we can learn. And there is a lot of shortcut to take to make the path shorter.
I really don’t like the east side with the Palace keep, but Rampart is nice, and the desert is great for open field. But the 2 side keep are too big really.

Just a small word about T3. I love the new reinforced gate, but it’s really to easy to get T3 now… I’m scout, I only play for defence, but I think that this should be difficult to be able to have T3. If it’s too easy then there is no “pride” to have it. And for the attackers it’s really annoying to fight those T3.
T3 should be difficult, both for defender and for attacker. When you are able to build a T3 it should be a success for the owner, not some automatic stuff…

And we really need some tactical advantage to control structures…. Barricade are useless against zerg and annoying for roamers.. And keep don’t have WP. Before controlling north tower give the advantage to shoot on garri. Same for the south west tower to shoot on bay. Now the tower are useless…. It’s change nothing if you control them or not…. Even the doly can gro through the barricade ! At least if the barricade can block the north dolly this will help to starve Rampart… And this give a reason to defend those tower.

I hope we will see some change, like removing the mega canon

Make that the WP are only available at T3 to give us a reason to defend Rampart… Same for south tower…. But give the WP to everyone who hold the tower to T3… Or bring back the old WP on left and right keep.
And yes, auto upgrade have to be removed….

They don’t even patch the WP issue…. Don’t hope too much with this problem….

yep, on my side I don’t care about those thing. I don’t even farm it… It’s good for people who want to farm this, other like me just have to ignore them.

We can learn the new map, but we always have :
– missing WP
– Auto free WP on south tower and garri > tower and keep useless, T0 = T3
– Auto free upgrade. No need for supply, no need for human. The next step is mob building ram on ennemy tower ? Then we just have to sit and watch ?
– Central event who have nothing to do here. At least remove the canon and give some bonus chest.

The map is not the only one problem, lot of other around !

We don’t want flat map, we want keep who have some value ! Tactical with WP, or pride because it’s difficult to upgrade and they need team work to be at T3.
We don’t want automatic / free upgrade without any tactical advantage..
And real keep, not some big thing where you need 2 min to go from north gate to south gate…

There is less fight, because people don’t care about the keep, no wp, no human needed to upgrade and map or keep too big. Then if something is contested if it’s not at prime time with plenty of people, most of the people will just ignore the attack, and go elsewhere. At least when you take your stuff back there is something to do… Because with all those auto upgrade stuff there is just nothing to do except KT during off peak time.

And you speak about paper keep, but it’s the same actually. A big zerg go through paper keep very fast. You can make T3 keep with people managing upgrade…

@Xernth : yep WP should only be available at T3.

For what I see actually, the off peak time is dead. Thx to the new map and the new game mechanics. If you want to have some fight maybe you could find this during prime time.

BB is just crushing Piken and JS…. This is not something that happen very often… I think that a lot of people from BB are playing actually in WvW… As I speak they have 450 PPT… JS 130 and Piken 120…. BB is probably full yes…. The bad thing is that BB is the only one spanish server, that’s a problem. But yes, there is plenty of people playing on BB actually…

yep, the new BL is a prime time only map….

in scouting the interesting part was the team work to protect supply camp > supply line (doly) and then manage the upgrade (to avoid keep with 0 supply). Defending the keep to be able to have the WP.
This require team work and to use a little your brain.

T3 and WP was the reward for all this work. People on the server always respond to call for help to defend keep with WP, because it’s very usefull to move faster on the map, and because people have work for that.

Now there is no work for the upgrade, no reward with the WP. Then now no one care about the keep. This remove a big part of the activities on the off peak time. Defensive roaming, killing ennemy dolly to prevent keep upgrade, etc.

At prime time automatic upgrade it’s ok, everyone focus on fight. But during off peak now we have nothing to do… Impossible to use the wp to defend the contested camp at the south of the map. It’s take too much time to from one side to another.

Then you just don’t care, you go later to take the camp back. This create just pve and KT and avoid fight.
Now if you call for help on EB for your keep on the BL no one care, because those keep have no value… No WP, no work to be T3…

Auto upgrade is a off peak time killer.

yeah, but generally the scout are the people with the lowest wvw rank, and people in zerg have the most…
Then you have here some issue… Scout wouldn’t be able to start upgrade but they want to do this, and people in zerg can do this but they don’t care…
Maybe automatic unlock this abilities once you reach some wvw level. Then you need to play to unlock but this will not cost you points…

And yes they have to remove those automatic upgrade…

and please, make that the doly are required and not optionnal….
At least you can take back the supply camp or kill the doly to stop the upgrade…

mastery don’t work in wvw, it’s a pve stuff…. Funny to see those dedicated wvw guy grinding for pve only stuff…

joneirikb.7506:

The other reason is that ANet will never (ever!) make it an advantage to have less players on the map

Yep, anet only give bonus to the best team on the map (look at the oasis event).

arnitheking.8427:

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ok ok, I understand you can have pleasure to make pve around the map and sometimes see some ennemy guy to kill.

I full agree with all what you say Nedus and Puck… Actually WvW begin to be the new eotm with permanent KT…

xXBAKESXx.6731:

Just adapt and embrace the change.

Or just leave the game and play something else and don’t give any more money to anet… This is probably what I will do if there is no change in this new map.

xXBAKESXx.6731:

The new map is kitten awesome and helps low pop servers.

We don’t need more pve and automated thing because there is no player on the map.
We need to close at least 33% of the server to have more people online on the same map to play the game.

it’s not about hate spreading… The central event has nothing to do with the map, but it’s a bad mechanism…
Same for the auto upgrade and the homemap full ennemy T3 at the morning if you don’t have night crew.
Same as auto upgrade without supply and no WP on the keep who made those keep useless…

This has nothing to do with the map, it’s broken game mechanism…

And it’s not hate, it’s not different play style we have to learn. It’s fact that this is not good for the off peak time. It’s not always prime time with full map…