Guild Wars 2

I agree, the players have suggested so many incredible ideas, with a big potential, and still they just keep ignoring these suggestions and pleas and think they’re going to fix it with adding some mechanic or other that doesn’t change wvw and has near to no importance (as I’ve stated earlier).

I’m still a supporter of the idea, though I doubt Anet will ever make such a drastic change. You’ve seen the latest update, it had nearly nothing of importance in it.

Arheundel.6451:

It’s very hard to explain things to PUGs…as they’ll never listen. You tell them not to chase because they’ll get rushed and killed, you say the same thing like 5 times, they respawn and do the same thing…I log out

-Gandara-

Lol, we did have some nice fights this evening though Thanks Hedvig.

Regards
Vael

Welcome to a bunch of amazing new members again!

Excalibur.9748:

WvW players don’t have any laurels at all.

By making it require laurels, you are requiring the WvW player to do extensive PvE just to get any ascended equipment.

Please reconsider.

Lol he is right and he got infracted.

Anyone else having a bug in WvW? The party members don’t show on minimap.

Iruwen.3164:

VOLKON.1290:

Junkpile.7439:

Maybe anet should take PvE players rings away and give them back after they pay 25 laurels/ring.

Why? The primary way to get rings has always been Fractals. Laurels allowed a secondary means of purchase if you chose to not do Fractals.

Asc should have never been allowed in WvW in the first place.

I agree, make it a 100% skill-based fight, not a fight about who has the better trinkets. Ascended were the worst idea ever implemented by Anet.

Laurels are considered a burden by most of the players, and dailies are a farm that only rewards people who play daily. I don’t think that’s fair towards people who have work or school in weeks.

Blackelk.3784:

I am well aware tbh my two main are already geared the issue I am having is with Anet, this is not what they promised people this is a gimmick. They only changed the daily last patch to include WvW based objectives actually allowing you to farm laurels in WvW. They promised people mutiple times in multiple posts that you would be able to use badges in order to buy these things well I guess they meant only the convenient items, backs and earrings are still a pain especially if you aren’t in a larger guild that does missions. In the end this in A-net once again screwing WvW players in favor of PVE players.

Because only 100 people can get into WvW at a time per server perhaps? ;p

Only 5-10% of the gamers have more than 5k achievement points. I think 5k would be enough to buy a precursor.

^They don’t have to make the auto-attack mandatory, just allow some players who don’t like smashing buttons all the time to use it. Your sum-up is rather selfish.

JubeiTM.5763:

Sirendor.1394:

Looks like grenade autoattack is the dominant wish:

Cameirus.8407
JoxerNL.3752
Zenguy.6421
KratosAngel.7289
tigirius.9014
Sirendor.1394
Frightlight.3796
Erdem.8956
The Pork Chop Xprss.3152
Kain Francois.4328

-1
1500 Range auto attack would be extreme. Engineer is not supposed to be push button and win. The devs took out the auto attack so they wouldn’t nerf the damage even more. If somebody loves grenades so much they should adapt. Start by binding another key in stead of “1”.

Whether the auto-attack is there or not, doesn’t change the fact that the range of grenades is already 1500. I don’t see why it’s a point of discussion.

There are 2 mechanisms being talked about here and it seems to me you’re blending them:
- auto-attack function: the skill throws automatically, without you needing to tap the button, but it won’t go toward an enemy, but will still be ground-targetted.
- auto-target function: the skill throws automatically, but it will go straight toward your enemy, without ground-targetting.

I would be very happy if the 1st would be implemented, and even happier when the 2nd would be implemented. Even with 1st one implemented, we’ll still have to point the place we want the grenades to hit, and we’ll still need to anticipate.

Giving this a friendly bump cause the topic has been brought up again.

Dailies are not a sufficient parameter of playing the game. I think achievement points give a way clearer indication of who deserves to get one.

VOLKON.1290:

Estus.1726:

Volkon, if that is the case then wonderful. We shall see I suppose.

Trust the grumpy ol’ Asura. I may talk a lot, but it’s only to dazzle you with brilliance, not baffle you with yak-crap.

But… but… but I like yaks, they’re hairy and fussy and cute <3

Anyone have a note on the good PvP MMO’s coming out? Might become worthwhile to leave this mess behind. The only good thing we got was that we now get rewards for ranks, hooray.

another pointless update..

Jackie.1829:

So bad….. what was the point of any of this update? Stop wasting developer time and maybe do something we care about. At least if you are going to give us rewards, do it properly. I can farm a ring in a matter of days if I desire, 25 laurels is lol. Infusions are a waste, the oil skills are pointless, and wexp promotes zerging. Hoorah!

I keep on wondering when the REAL world vs. world changes are coming… this can’t be it.

mrmadhaze.8706:

Thanks devs for the more pve in wvw!!! we need it!!!!! i play wvw only for gathering and for kill npcs for the daily!!! ty a lot!

Is this sarcasm? o_O

Nono… twice the size wouldn’t be good… make it thrice and add 2 new zones instead of the borderland copies..

^LOL I like the idea, but it would require what, some 3 people to stay at the gate, or would it mean that if the 3 people fell, the zerg got trapped inside somehow and killed?

In the latter case, it would mean that they had to split a blob of 60 in 30-30, but if the enemy doesn’t have enough forces, how are they supposed to trouble the people at the gate, or would it be NPC’s rampaging on them?

Iruwen.3164:

I Deschain I.4623:

I actually stopped reading when I saw those 25 laurels and 250 badges for an Ascended Ring.

First I stopped reading, then I couldn’t stop laughing. Just… wow. That’s completely kittened.

Pretty much. THAT’s how much Anet cares about WvW players. Hooray!

Caedmon.6798:

Pink AG guy that was facing us last night near jerrifer,you started waving to us and sitting next to us..sorry i jumped and killed you..It was late,and i was hungry.Won’t happen again,i mistook you for miller for some reason..My apologies.

Lol, that made me laugh especially the “It was late, and I was hungry” part

Myrmidone.4362:

You should just take a look at the German Forum Thread about this matchup, there are 3 pages full of “flames”.
Definitely no love between us, if someone speaks german have fun;-)

Greets Myrmi

Is there a german forum thread? Show me the way? I want to add my flaming.

Thanks TLDR:
- Match-up changes
- Ascended trinkets(laurels + badges or ectos)
- WvW infusions (extra dmg vs npcs)
- Reward chests
- More guard abilities
- Oil abilities
- WvW dailies
- Various minor changes

anzenketh.3759:

The trick is how to make it so that random people that join know to talk to the NPC or know that the way commanders work has changed.

Through a new interface as I suggested? They could see the commanders on the map in a list maybe and click join and wait for the commander to accept. If commander doesn’t want to get pugs trying to join him, he can just hide his squad from people not in it.

I believe he is pointing at the first and he would like some recognition. ;p

Nope, we got back banners.

No I don’t think so. Most commanders ‘command’ (obviously :p) and don’t want other commanders messing with their business. They can work together of course, attacking from 2 different spots etc, but I think less PUGs would tag along with them, cause they wouldn’t be marked on the map if they didn’t want that and they could only host 20 players.

It’s also important to know that each of the squad would have a different commander in the case of joined squads, so they would predominantly join their commander and won’t be able to catch up with the other one. Most people of the squad would probably talk in squad too, so the squad would be organized better, but the zerg would loose coherence.

I responded to it

This indeed seems to be a very nice idea, but I think it might be rather hard to implement. How can you make the system ‘mark’ players that cause too much trouble? Doesn’t this also sort of break the right of the players to go where they want, without being hunted around?

I agree with other ideas for events though. Maybe add in that a herald at the spawn of your server will scream out which locations need help, and you can take a quest from that guy.

Upon reading this, I think following options would allow better coordination and make less zerging:
- Make a cap on the number of players who can join a squad. 20 seems reasonable
- Add extra squad interfaces, and tools:

• The commander has an option to see the people in his squad in a new “Squad” interface"
• The Squad interface shows the number of supplies of each of the people in squad, shows the guild tag and the profession of the player, aswell as the name.
• Squad members can also open this squad interface to see the other guys in it. Commanders have the additional option to see other squads than theirs on the map.
• People in squad now have yellow names instead of green ones (such as gold names for guilds).

- Commanders can decide to hide their command tag from everyone who is not a member of their guild. This allows for covert guild operations.
- Commander can decide to hide their command tag from everyone who is not already in the squad.
- To join a squad, your “joining” must be accepted by the commander.

Reducing zergs:
- Less blobs, because squads only amount to 20 people.
- Less people running to the command tag (cause it can be hidden)

Upon reading this, I think following options would allow better coordination and make less zerging:

- Make a cap on the number of players who can join a squad. 20 seems reasonable
- Add extra squad interfaces, and tools:

• The commander has an option to see the people in his squad in a new “Squad” interface"
• The Squad interface shows the number of supplies of each of the people in squad, shows the guild tag and the profession of the player, aswell as the name.
• Squad members can also open this squad interface to see the other guys in it. Commanders have the additional option to see other squads than theirs on the map.
• People in squad now have yellow names instead of green ones (such as gold names for guilds).

- Commanders can decide to hide their command tag from everyone who is not a member of their guild. This allows for covert guild operations.

Reducing zergs:
- Less blobs, because squads only amount to 20 people.
- Less people running to the command tag (cause it can be hidden)

snowaugar.1823:

Sirendor.1394:

snowaugar.1823:

Organized group > any zerg

Snow, that’s the theory, but it doesn’t work like that at all.

L2p I’ve done it plenty with my guild I even wiped 30 with 8 using 2 ward guards 2 staff ele a grenade engi 2 ballista and an ac pre ac buff choke points ftw

Well if you use siege. T-T Siege is for cowards as much as zergs.

snowaugar.1823:

Organized group > any zerg

Snow, that’s the theory, but it doesn’t work like that at all.

snowaugar.1823:

Kitten kitten mewl mewl zerging isn’t bad l2 counter the zerg -insert arrow cart joke here- its not hard when u l2 organize

It is. Some servers only run in zergs, so there’s no chance at all for fair fights. Usually they have bigger numbers than ours too and they just come with a 80-man zerg. How the kitten can you counter that, other than nerfing the zerg?

Ragnar, I looked for games with other sorts of open world pvp and there are quite a lot that don’t have anything like zergs in them. The fighting seems to go more 1 vs. 1 and less 5 vs. 30. I wonder how hard it can be to implement that here.

Nerf zergs please. This is absolutely unbearable. Most of the people on my server have stopped playing wvw cause we ended up fighting 2 german servers, and they do nothing but blobbing. ZvZ (blobbing/zerging) has been a problem since day 1 and it needs to get a serious nerf so people stop doing it.

My suggestion: if you have “—-” number of allies in a “—-” radius, all your stats get nerfed for 100 (power, precision, condition damage, toughness, vitality…) and your rewards are lower (10%,20%,30% based on the number of players).
This would actually make zerging a lot less attractive and allow for FAIR number play, what an esport is supposed to be.

AG and FSP: let us (gandara) come with you!!! It’s horrible. AM doesn’t fight until they have 5x our numbers and the moment they do, they come zerging us flat. WvW is getting really, really boring now for us gandarans. Anyone else want to ban zerging?

Oh great. I gave it a try, despite the blobs etc, went in for 20 mins, ran into 3 blobs (30+ people) on 1 single map. Good job really 30 people vs. 5! The german servers are the worst players I’ve seen by far and the most cowardly aswell. Please drop out of the game, you’re a disgrace to WvW. This is especially AM.

Punkins.2087:

I dont get why auto attack is such a big deal.. are you guys sitting in one kit, waiting on cooldowns?? If yes.. ugh.

Grenades are our only possible option for most wvw situations. Rifle is very bad and pistols are too. So that leaves us with grenades for long-range and bombs for close-range.

Mounts shouldn’t be counted as a travelling method, but merely as cosmetic.

I understand you think you deserve to be distinguished from other players if you stacked up a ton of money and a few months later people manage to get it without farming money, but I’m sure that if they add a scavenger hunt it will require as big an effort as the legendaries there are now. So basically, it wouldn’t make your legendary worth more, but just ‘different’ (can discuss different in positive or negative way).

I’m not saying your idea is worthless, I just don’t see why it should be implemented if the scavenger hunt takes as long as the gold farm (and is at least as challenging).
Generally, thank you for the calm and rational discussion, but I don’t think the time for this topic has been breached yet.

Engineer: grenades auto-attack & overall damage buff
Warrior: hammer, no more rooting
Guardian: buff the sword (it’s crap)
Thief: shortbow range
Elementalist: no changes needed
Ranger: fix the melee weapons, make longbow a more viable weapon
Mesmer: no changes needed
Necro: I don’t play it

Looks like grenade autoattack is the dominant wish:

Cameirus.8407
JoxerNL.3752
Zenguy.6421
KratosAngel.7289
tigirius.9014
Sirendor.1394
Frightlight.3796
Erdem.8956
The Pork Chop Xprss.3152
Kain Francois.4328

We are, if you want to you can contact some of our people in-game. Most active atm should be “Jay Scimmia”, “Ariana Astraea”, “Forest protector”, “Kenny Mack”.

Best thing to do would be to register on our site, apply and then leave a message in the chatbox, so someone can invite you. (http://oldboys.enjin.com)

Greetings!

Ovredon.9471:

My point being if there were a lot more variety of obtaining gold getting a legendary would be less of an issue, these other ways being more fun/challenging and generally more engaging…

One last comment on this aswell, just for clarity’s sake. “Variety of obtaining gold, then legendary would be less of an issue…” I fail to see why there should be any gold involved in legendaries at all. Legendaries aren’t about having money, it’s about (in a character view) being a hero and doing things others can’t. If Anet developed a special storyline, after you completed your personal story, which you can follow, and which took a lot of effort to complete, you could just adventure around, using a weapon of your choice. And during the adventures, your weapon gains certain characteristics…

For example:
I have a character named Sihur Fellblade, an Charr ash legion thief. What if through this story I suggest, he came to fight certain foes, he had to choose between a friend or a love, or had to kill or be killed… what if all his story choices influence the way the weapon is, as if the weapon remembers who you are… You killed a centurion perhaps, who was once a member of your warband. Would this make this make the blade of your sword a little bit blacker than it was? After a few more choices you notice blood begins to run along the edge of your sword etc…

Isn’t that what it means to be a Legend? Someone whose tale is worth telling, someone other people wish to follow. That’s what I’m looking for if I’m getting a legendary.
I know a lot of this is off-topic, but I like to discuss it, just because it is worth discussing.

By all means, continue with your suggestion, but think through all the stuff I have mentioned, and maybe see if it’s worth considering.

Ovredon.9471:

To Sirendor

1. You should want nor expect a Legendary item, something that is supposed to be unique, to just fall onto your lap because you have fast reaction times, or can dodge out of the way of damage.

2. "Secondly, a scavenger hunt would represent again another “farming” method of gaining a legendary, it would be just as bad as what currently has to be done only you have more variety."

3. "but that is “NOT” the player’s fault, even people who farmed 10 hours a day, if there was an alternative they would’ve taken it"

4. Explain to me how harmful it would be for my idea/suggestion to be fulfilled?

1. I don’t expect legendaries to fall into people’s laps. I stated I am not interested in a legendary as it is today, not because I don’t want to work for it, but because I don’t see why it would add to my gaming experience.

2. The scavenging I think off is something less like the guild trek/ map completion grind we have seen so far, and something more like a real ‘hunt’, with quests and direction, personal choices and epic battles that reward you with a piece of your legendary. This process or hunt could take a few months imo, but it shouldn’t be a grind or a repetition. It should take the player to new places, all over the world, give him choices that really mean something and a real storyline behind the being legendary.

A legendary is usually a weapon with a legend or a story behind it, with grief but also joy, with defeats and with victories. THIS is what I would like to see.

3. It is not the player’s fault, no, but since the legendary at this moment is such a dubious item, I see it as a point of honour not to try and get one, but wait till something that is really legendary comes and takes it place.

4. Your suggestion doesn’t harm, but I can’t accept it from the point of view I have been defending throughout this thread. I don’t mean harm with this and this is (again) not something particularly to hurt you. I just don’t think it’s a good idea, cause it is based on the idea that the current legendaries deserve the name ‘legendary’.

Blix.8021:

Why should less people be equally effective as more people? That doesn’t even make sense.

It does make sense, if the people in the big group are fools (which most zerglings are) and the people in the smaller group are skilled players. So screw you kittening zergers and viva la 5-man team!

This week’s guild competition: tomorrow!