Guild Wars 2

Celtic Lady.3729:

SkyShroud.2865:

You can call the people that are against your opinions white knights

I never did this.

Celtic Lady.3729:

I know all the white knights just respond to this with “50/20/10 people don’t deserve to be a guild” or “work longer, stupid” but it’s still a really disparate goal for both group sizes.

Ermm….so what this white knights refer to?

you should be glad that they didnt make expansion compulsory…
buy to play model for online games usually start to lose money in long term, so they had to release expansion or find a way make up for the maintenance cost

Indeed, you can make a guild with any numbers, however, it also means that by choosing to remain small, you are limiting yourselves to certain contents and in this case, guild missions. You can call the people who argue or are against your opinions white knights but do be aware that I, myself, is against the opinions in this thread because the suggestion given involve scaling and scaling itself is unfair to all bigger guilds, this include guilds that might be big on the roster but small in active level.

Honestly, if every single person in a 500 guild donated, it wouldn’t even be considered a challenge.

Btw, this is taken from a interview with anet. Given this statement, unlikely they will make further changes.

Our goal was to ensure we didn’t really need to tweak any major game system again after this expansion and our focus could be entirely on adding new content,

Bloodstealer.5978:

Clueless answer is .. clueless.
Who said anything about being entitled.. no one is saying we shouldn’t have to work to get things.. L2read then engage brain before opening mouth.
As for you thinking this complaint is a true representation of the “MAJORITY or MINORITY” then again you have no idea and no evidence to back that statement up.
less than 1% of the player base ever go near the forums in pretty much any MMO so please refrain from trying to make out your some super duper player who knows all ..
There are far better informed white knights on these forums, leave the sucky sucky up to them perhaps.

You are ridiculous, you yourself is unable to backup your 1% number and there you are, demanding evidence from me by putting words into my posts, since when I ever say is a true representation but nevertheless, it can’t be far off when plenty of guilds already gotten their upgrades moving while conflicting opinions are already demonstrated in the forums. Why not you prove to me that less than 1% of the player base ever go to the forums. Also, this thread is all about demanding tavern costs and other building costs to be reduced and you said you worked for it, did you work for the tavern before HOT? Please refrain from behaving like a hooligan.

Bloodstealer.5978:

SkyShroud.2865:

Astralporing.1957:

Bunter.3795:

Everything a small guild needs is available for less than 200g. An expedition costs 100g and you can buy the merchant and repair station for less than 100g with no other materials needed besides favor. If you want more than that, you need to play the game just like everyone else.

Just because you “want it now” doesn’t mean you’re entitled to it. You have to work for it like everyone else.

We did, and managed to get a full unlock on our guild eventually. And then it got taken away from us.

That’s the part you seem to be missing. It is a massive grind just to get to the point where our guild was two months ago.

Yes, i think i am entitled to the things i have already worked for.

You know, you are complaining like you are the only one whose full upgrade guild got taken away.

There are more than 4,000 guilds (according to anet statistics that claimed guild halls) and how many % of those guilds complained?

eermm what’s your point and what are you trying to represent.

4000 guilds is nothing in comparison to how many guilds are in the game.. on any given hour you can count a 100’s of different guilds trying to recruit in map chat.
Maybe now ask yourself how many of those 4000 guilds have 10 or less members.. I don’t mean solo guild banks.. actual guilds with small friends/family members.

Bottom line is you have no clue what your on about and what the stats really show.

I will stick my neck out and say the vast majority of those 4000 guilds are much larger in size and therefore have a much easier time in claiming, unlocking and upgrading.
No one said it has to be easy win for small guilds.. the same level of difficulty can exist based on appropriate scaling of requirements and difficulty without having to resort to ripping players off with an expansion promising new features then effectively taking away what they had already achieved and locking it behind further gold sinks and grindfests and forcing guilds to start over… desperate attempts at player retention and gem sales with kind of mullarkey will likely only force players to grow discontent and leave, something my guild discussed only last night.

My point is, that guy and yourself (since you agree to him) complain and feel entitled to certain things because you lost a full upgraded guild but you are not the ONLY one that lost a full upgraded guild. So, how can you feel entitled to something when majority don’t feel that way? If majority do feel that way, why is the complain thread so little, not as many as the HOT preorder veterans complain?

to be precise, guild owner cant be kicked unless they are not the only person of that rank.

if u are afraid of getting hacked then, step up your account security

Astralporing.1957:

Bunter.3795:

Everything a small guild needs is available for less than 200g. An expedition costs 100g and you can buy the merchant and repair station for less than 100g with no other materials needed besides favor. If you want more than that, you need to play the game just like everyone else.

Just because you “want it now” doesn’t mean you’re entitled to it. You have to work for it like everyone else.

We did, and managed to get a full unlock on our guild eventually. And then it got taken away from us.

That’s the part you seem to be missing. It is a massive grind just to get to the point where our guild was two months ago.

Yes, i think i am entitled to the things i have already worked for.

You know, you are complaining like you are the only one whose full upgrade guild got taken away.

There are more than 4,000 guilds (according to anet statistics that claimed guild halls) and how many % of those guilds complained?

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Tigaseye.2047:

Yeah, it’s awful.

I have a bank guild that is just totally stagnating and can’t progress at all and then I’m a member of another guild, which is now constantly asking people for donations (or was).

That can’t be good for the leadership to have to do and it’s certainly not good for the members.
Imagine the first impression, if you have just joined the game.

You would think that all guilds ever do is beg their members for gold/donations.

It’s not good.

SkyShroud.2865:

In my guild, as a leader, I record all the donations that are coming into either the treasury or guild bank. The list is growing longer and longer but at the same time, recording it is important because you will know among all your members, who are the one who cares and the one who don’t.

This is universal truth to all guilds, there are people who cares and people who don’t. Though it is noble for leaders to want to take care of everyone, but it is also very important to know the members who care and the members who don’t.

…and this reaction, Anet, is just one reason why all this was a TERRIBLE idea.

Omne.4603:

This sounds like a lack of real members or actual leadership ability.

Leadership ability is not (or should not be) about begging for stuff.

People should be able to make/join a guild and then contribute to its growth, automatically, by just playing normally.

This is the polar opposite of that kind of system and as such, it is a major step backwards.

I guess you missed the Guild CDI. Anet want people to intentionally contribute to the growth of the guild instead of just passively contribute to the growth of the guild. Intentionally and passively are very very different. This is not even consider a step backward but rather, people are given the opportunity to directly impact the growth of their guilds. Naturally, people who will want to contribute to the growth of that guild are the people who care enough to take that step. At the end of the day, no matter how much your guild leader “beg”, only those who care will donate while those who don’t, will never donate.

I think this is reported but I can’t find a thread about it.

I’m using Windows 10.

1. If you open treasury and then click on it the moment it finish loading, there is a chance the interface will crash. The game will not crash but the treasury interface will crash, giving a blank treasury sceen. Then, when you close and open again, it will not load.

2. If you open treasury and then open guild panel immediately after. There is a chance that your game will crash.

3. If you open treasury and then immediately drag the items the moment it finish loading, there is a chance the game will crash.

Agree, if adding destinations may make things too easy for people to go to certain places. Anet can make additional destinations as upgrade. As for now, it isn’t that useful except for pve guild missions but given the cost of the portal, it is reasonable.

Red Queen.7915:

SkyShroud.2865:

Healix.5819:

Base the costs on the capacity of the guild. Start guilds at 10 people with upgrades for 50, 100, 250 and 500. If you upgrade your capacity, you lose access to whatever, but are discounted what you’ve already paid. Basing the costs on zerg guilds is silly. It’s the zerg guilds that should be heavily punished.

Ermm…..

So the large guilds are supposed to be punished or heavily taxed for the works and dramas they had to go through to become large. I see, sounds fair.

On a side note, which part of it is fair if a guild that paid lesser can get to access the same amount of things as a guild which paid more? In reality, a lot of things can be fair while a lot of things can also be unfair. However, a rule remain, a small factory can only produce a limited number of things while a large factory can produce a larger number of things. If scaling had to be done, it has to be done with this rule in mind.

1) Large guilds are currently being rewarded for being large in that they can split a cost of, say, 3000g for several upgrades among, ideally, 500 people. 6g each. A guild with 25 members will have to pay 120g/member. How is that “punishing” a large guild? And any large guild wanted to be large, so it was totally their choice to go through “all the works and dramas” (?!) of becoming huge. Prior to the introduction/announcement of guild halls, I might add.

2) The bigger factory will still only produce greater numbers of the same thing, not equal numbers of several more things. Same goes for guild halls. The bigger guild hall will have the same services, but it will be able to grant them to more people.
Real life is unfair, sure, but are you trying to tell me that this absolutely must apply to things we do for fun as well? Because I call BS on that one.

That’s warped. Applying your logic and your fairness, small guilds choose to be small, so it is totally their choice to pay more for guild upgrades.

tuesday, they say less than 2 weeks

Healix.5819:

Base the costs on the capacity of the guild. Start guilds at 10 people with upgrades for 50, 100, 250 and 500. If you upgrade your capacity, you lose access to whatever, but are discounted what you’ve already paid. Basing the costs on zerg guilds is silly. It’s the zerg guilds that should be heavily punished.

Ermm…..

So the large guilds are supposed to be punished or heavily taxed for the works and dramas they had to go through to become large. I see, sounds fair.

On a side note, which part of it is fair if a guild that paid lesser can get to access the same amount of things as a guild which paid more? In reality, a lot of things can be fair while a lot of things can also be unfair. However, a rule remain, a small factory can only produce a limited number of things while a large factory can produce a larger number of things. If scaling had to be done, it has to be done with this rule in mind.

The game seem to crash when set to high graphic which I assume because the client exceed 4gb memory which 32bit exe is limited to. I didn’t confirm this yet though.

They mentioned nearly two weeks because the halloween was added during the launch of HOT instead of the usual tuesday patch. So, I guess halloween will be removed on the usual tuesday patch.

Then, there isn’t really a point to have guild hall swiftness upgrade.

I checked my personal bank and guild’s second bank yesterday, is all there.
Maybe you should spam support tickets to get them check for you.

Like others said, exploitable but then again, is it really exploit when larger guilds are forced to pay more for something that do the same, is it even fair in the first place then.

your roster show that you are alone in there. either you got hacked or bug.

u can still donate mats like mithril, elder, softwood hardwood etc.
u can still farm mats like coarse sands etc.
u can still….

u get the idea

Guardian of Angels.9867:

Makenboshi.7943:

Guild trek only reward the one who found and interacted with the spot. It is really need to be changed, as it is hard to give reward all the members of a medium or big sized guild who joined guild mission.

My guild accidently had 3 people on the spot when grabbing 1 Trek Spot, they all got Personal rewards – even the one that didn’t touch / activate the spot.

Interesting, I wonder how that works. Does it mean that everyone has to be on the same map? It will be great if dev can share some lights on this

You want to shoulder all the burdens and responsibilities of a guild to yourself, I can understand that perspective but you know, a guild isn’t made up by one person. It isn’t a shameful thing to tell your members that the guild need this and that and so on, it isn’t inconsiderate to depend on others. Rather, not depending on your guildies, it might become a insult towards them since they are part of your guild.

In my guild, as a leader, I record all the donations that are coming into either the treasury or guild bank. The list is growing longer and longer but at the same time, recording it is important because you will know among all your members, who are the one who cares and the one who don’t.

This is universal truth to all guilds, there are people who cares and people who don’t. Though it is noble for leaders to want to take care of everyone, but it is also very important to know the members who care and the members who don’t.

Same, I am trying to look for the entrance to the mine, wanting to upgrade it. Do we have to force the map close to reload the mine?

Edit: the mine opened when we force the map to close. I think the mine close itself when we upgrade war room.

i didn’t know t6 has oceanic

yea, we are gonna get a mount to fly in the sky…
and then the bad part is, is only limited to the new expansion map

if u r quitting, i would love to have your mats. thankyou

player made npc sounds nice…..

i hate the sniper!!! but is manageable

like other said, it will take time for anyone to compile.

dulfy is more likely to compile everything but might take 1.5 mths i guess

anet mentioned it, they can enter

ReaverKane.7598:

There’s a few “issues” at least IMO with the requirements for guild halls and overall the new crafting achievements. Devs seem to overestimate how easy stuff is to get, probably based on what the richer minorities have/do.

nah, they looking at draining the market for at least 6 mths

He simply means he don’t understand why the complains when there are people who have proven to be able to do the HOT contents. So, is the HOT contents that hard or is it because the people who complain just want to have single player cheat codes like “show me the money” or “bigdaddy”

Changer the Elder.2948:

SkyShroud.2865:

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people eventually hijack the thread and change it to guild hall mats…every single guild hall thread became a complain thread

…. I’m sorry, but do explain to me how a group of ten, which, as mentioned before, counts by far as a guild by ArenaNet’s own definition, is supposed to get this?

Below are just some of the things you need for the basic versus arena. Seems like roughly 100 PVP daily rewards. Seasonal rewards.

This punishes any player who hasn’t been sitting on a stockpile of mats for the past 3 years. Guilds comprised of new players have absolutely no chance to get this anytime soon, even if they rigorously play every day.

Mats donation? Sure, fine. But to this degree? This is absurd. And it botches the whole guild hall system.

Even if you capture your guild hall, which is nicely balanced fight, you’re stuck at a giant empty map nobody of your guild will have a reason to come back to, because it’s bloody empty and will be for months and months to come. And that defies the whole purpose of even having the bloody thing.

Ermm, I shall entertain you despite you hijacking this thread from the original topic.

Like other posters had mentioned. Larger guild simply able to get their upgrades faster while it will take longer for smaller guild to do so. That’s life.

A 0% rep wvw guild can actually pull this off.

it says centaurs drop it, wvw is lvl 80 centaurs…
you can try your luck at silverwaste and drytop

HOT in’t a DLC

Core game is ALPHA
HOT is BETA
<something> is release

All of us paid for early access.

Why I say is alpha because they keep changing the features, like they have no idea what they really want guild wars 2 to be. Then, HOT come with all the feature changes and becoming more concrete of what guild wars 2 should be. However, it fills with bugs.

Alpha is the stage of features while beta is the stage of stress and bug fixing. So yea

ermm…..

pve map has centaurs

……..

people eventually hijack the thread and change it to guild hall mats…every single guild hall thread became a complain thread

It is a matter of retaining the meaning of a guild, not just simply a group made to fulfill a specific purpose and then disappear when that purpose is gone, a guild simply is more than any of that. If winning and losing are all really that important, I am not saying is not important but not “THAT” important, then one shouldn’t be in a guild in the first place or one should be in a guild like the one TS described.

Lunarian.3947:

Hi! arena net Please make the guild hall easier to claim. Small guilds like mine only consist of about 10 players, not all of us are online at the same time. Its just me and my friends and we want to be able to claim it with 5. But its just too difficult, if you perhaps extended the time limit to about 5 minutes per vine then it would be possible. It seems to me that area net has decided that small guilds are no longer aloud to function or do anything with HoT coming out, id like to see a change in this.

a poster in another thread said he claimed the guild hall with a group of 3. many other guilds have claimed it with 5. so, i think your strategy is wrong or you do not have any strategy to begin with

you can fill yourself with negativity like the other posters trying to fill you with or you can go search the threads and ask the guilds that completed with 5 people for advise.

Snotra.8132:

The guild hall claiming event scales far worse if you bring a lot of people. My guild had over a 100 show up and we couldn’t even kill 1 of the 5 waves. We had 9 level 86 mobs that scaled up the more people that were near it. Basically I’ve heard its impossible to do if you bring more than 40-50 people. Most guilds are doing it with 9 since its the easiest.

you didn’t encounter server crash? my guild has 8 squads of 10+ each, around 90 people total, total 8 maw spawns. we all dc-ed at 5th wave TWICE N and then the whole progress reset which i assume the server crashed as it couldn’t handle the number of mobs and players on the map. so we cut our numbers slightly to around 5 squads. it is actually possible to capture it with lots of people though is lot more difficult than less people, yes, the scaling is bad as you get more people. large scale event simply just need to have a “main commander” to control the different squads, is just like RTS game of multiple groups.

he just saying he dc couple of times then he try to get back into the same map

Mike.7263:

SkyShroud.2865:

so you want to solo kill a elder dragon….erm….

You can do that to Zhaitan now.

nah, you slain zhaitan by using pact’s airship. i doubt you can slain it with your character alone. nothing is solo-ed in the storyline, you receive all kind of helps from pacts and such.

Absconditus.6804:

SkyShroud.2865:

so you want to solo kill a elder dragon…

I already did. That’s besides the point of the topic.

not really, you killed it with the help of npc, you didnt really slain it personally alone.

WvW consist of huge amount of PvX players, pure wvw players have to get a reality check when come to numbers because reality is, at least half of what you usually see in WvW will be gone.

too bad we’re on henge of denravi

The description of Critical Harvesting says “critical success when crafting an item”. Is it suppose to be that or is it suppose to be for gathering?

you guys should see the core game as early access, yes, you paid for a early access
while the hot is the release

is sad but is true, i noticed this while playing since launch. the core game was never really ready.

this thread is going more off topic everytime i see it…

more complaining and very few constructive