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I like how ANet said we do away with the holy trinity, play as you want!
Err not really, every serious tpvp team requires one of the new holy trinity: burst, bunker and condition. No balance builds need apply.
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this is not soccer, there are no ties.
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good bleed thieves are scarier than PW/HS thieves anyways
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they should make stomping like reviving, the more you have the faster it goes.
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cool post OP, completely reliant on a 1v1 scenario where you have stun breaks, defensive utilities and full endurance available at the start of the fight, very realistic.
/sarcasm.
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Every other game has one, why not GW2? I did not play GW1, was there a test server there? If not, did they every explain why?
Just seems like a no brainer to have large population test and provide feedback before making changes that affect both PvP and PvE.
Edit: I don’t play thief or guardian, so not a QQ post, just genuinely curious why they don’t want players testing changes before live.
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putting on my tinfoil hat seems like a lot of times this happens when im facing a premade, as in the guild may be using alt acccounts to queue and quit in hopes they get 4 man teams to stomp.
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While i feel your pain and have been there many times, (one time the poor guy didnt know what he was signing up for, and kept trying to relog to get out) was so funny, i dont think punishing players is the way forward, it would be much easier just to fill the slot with the next person to join.
Yes its not ideal(maybe theres a better system), but it may be the first time someone has tried tpvp, and its better in the long run not to alienate them through ristriction.
every game punishes people for quitting, this should be no different. If you queue for tournament and have to log your fault, should be 30 min-1 hour penalty
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right but if someone leaves add someone in addition to the penalty to the quitter so it’s not 5v4, theres tons of solo queuers
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How this happens with thousands of solo queuers I have no clue, gg.
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a bad player plays warrior
a good player plays guardian
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I like the anonymous nature of WvW and I was a major ganker in DAoC, WoW, and Rift. Yes I did enjoy the adversarial nature of those games, keeping track of worthy foes and all that. But to me GW2 is stress-free PvP and I like it.
Sometimes I get ganked bad by 2 or 3 or 20 “invaders” or “defenders” and as the camera pans back from my defeated and shamed avatar I realize — hey, I’m as anonymous to them as they are to me. Right on.
right but stress free anonymous pvp does not build rivalries or a solid community. Good PvP community is yelling to some rival guild “hey we are going to take X Keep, try and stop us!”
Or @ posts between players about a great standoff.
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Don’t you think to be a little arrogant? I played the game, it was my team, we did talk about it later, and so i know how he felt about being mid.
Do you think we would send a thief mid against Paradigm without even testing it? We tested it, and we saw that the thief wins at clock vs guardians.They did a good job outnumbering us mid, but we outnumbered them somewhere else.
the thief didnt do anything to win that match, the mesmer saved him multiple times and when it was engi + guardian vs mesmer + thief at mid you were getting tooled until your treb saved you.
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It’s becoming obvious the downed state is not being used as intended.
If there is a 2v2 fight at a node and one team manages to down the other 2 players, they aren’t stomping them (pugs still stomp obviously). And it makes sense. Why stomp them? The sooner you stomp them the sooner they rez. So instead they just let them bleed out, as slowly as possible and will stability stomp only if forced by additional backup. But if they are sending backup to 2 downed they are likely losing other points.
Maybe add a samurai style suicide ability to counter this?
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@JonSharp, why do you not have a test realm so you can tweak things 24/7 and have players test it?
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Lowell was 1v2 most of the game, that’s why he was losing, he was supposed to survive till we could secure our treb and take down theirs, and he did it very well.
Plus he says that he’s losing all the time, but in the end he always win XD
he wins because glass cannon mesmer comes and helps him revive from downed and can port instantly back to the outer node lol. If that was bunker guardian/ele or even engi he would not be struggling nearly as much even vs 2v1, i think everyone here knows that.
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The best PvP communities in past MMOs I have played (since DAoC) are built with competition created both on the battlefield and on the forums. GW2 removes both of those elements. No names on the battlefield. DAoC did this as well but they had smaller populations, realm ranks and visible guild emblem cloaks to help identify who you were fighting.
Also seems like every thread that starts to drum up some drama or competition gets deleted by mods for no reason.
Also – stop free transfers and add temporary battlegroup forums for the 3 servers at war
TLDR: the current state of WvW is an anonymous zerg fest with no sense of realm pride, competition or rivalry.
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please god, so annoying having to login just because i closed the browser for 2 seconds
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do you have any vids of you facing well known premades with multiple bunkers? i.e. 2+ bunker guards/eles
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i love how this thread has boiled down to server recruitment
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i like how ele’s try to validate their overly tankiness by saying it’s the only viable build.
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I’m confused you post like it’s a counter or better, yet the guy on voice chat keeps complaining how he cant hold mid
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so sick of getting to 2nd or 3rd round and only 4 showing up. or even the 1st round somehow starting with only 4. Please add like a 1 hour lockout that only counts down while you are logged in to avoid people who queue then log off.
And goes both ways, facing a team with only 4 is just as lame.
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Sup. I wanted to give you guys some quick updates and talk about a few things:
This takes a while, and usually means I sit with an editor going line by line making sure that my intention is preserved through the editing process. If any of you have written dissertations or college papers for a strict professor, you know that the editing process can take a while to get correct. That’s just how it is in the real world.I work in the real world too, but in my “real world” we have deadlines, so if I tell a Client we will have the report issued, including all edits, revisions, etc. by a certain date it is our obligation to meet that date at all costs. Your real world seems to lack deadlines.
When did they say that there is a deadline for that blog -_-" ?
Stop being so disrespectful, you are not that important. You are one amongst many and for every hater there is out there, 10 lovers of Arenanet stand ready to support Arenanet.
that’s my point. there isn’t one. yet in the real world there are deadlines. instead we were told a few days which turned into a few weeks.
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Yes, why shouldn’t it be? Stability from other professions also has the same effect to an extent.
stability is a boon and can be stripped, you can’t strip stealth
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good thing there’s no info about when ratings/tournaments/anything is actually coming.
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not sure what point of this “update” is? It’s basically just a post saying these are our excuses as to why we haven’t done anything with pvp since release… awesome.
blog post in a few days turned into, it’s getting translated, which turned into oh well there was a long editing process even though we said it was already at the translation process a week ago.
getting tired of same old boringness. And come on, posting on forums all day = no work? Because taking 30 mins a day to address the hottest topics is a bad thing?
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one time i saw a serious premade without a guardian, lol jk
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sorry but theres no way this game becomes an esport, too hard to follow, too many spell effects, too much bunkering not enough quick reaction/killing.
watching a 3v3 fight at a node with a bunch of aoe will give people seizures.
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L O A D S of fun……
doing what? zerg standoffs? can you post a picture of your current WvW match score?
every wvw video i watch too is just some power/crit build aoeing in a zerg then running back to a keep :/ so doesnt seem like others are doing anything different.
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You have a poor matchup. On matchups that are close, the game is quite fun. I would never, ever want to be on a server that dominates every game they play, that would be the anti-fun.
well supposedly we are the #4 ranked server. So if the top 3 keep getting matched up we are constantly stuck winning every week by ridiculous margins vs the 5/6 ranked servers?
I’m on NSP
and have yet to see a close match since release whether one way or the other, once servers start losing they just give up and go bunker somewhere and zerg farm back and forth.
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Our server has been winning by 6 digits for the past 3 days, we own almost everything and where there actually is fighting its zerg v zerg standoff.
WTB small groups having the mobility and cc potential to avoid/attack zergs, but the ability is not there due to game limitations. Keeps and stuff are too close together too so it’s just one zerg pushes back to keep and vice versa everyone always has somewhere to go run and hide. I miss 8-man gank squads roaming the grounds and AoE mezzing zergs and stomping 20+ with their 8.
Sorry but nothing about WvW is fun to me and short of the first day of a new match i see no strategy, simply ok we won, lets go farm x server on this borderlands. I guess if you are casual and scared of tPvP and want to be anonymous and surf with the zerg to farm for gear it’s fun though?
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So I have played Necro, Mesmer, Guardian, Thief, Warrior and Ranger in s/t pvp, with the most time going to necro, mesmer and ranger. Out of all I find Mesmer the best at dealing with glass cannon thieves to the point it is almost easy and laughable.
I use Taugrim’s Legion build with sword/pistol + GS.
This might be common knowledge but with how many complaints you see about PW or HS spamming thieves it seems like some still have trouble.
To start off, if you see a thief running towards you switch to your GS (you want GS first so you can get the #4 phantasam out and be in sword 2nd for #2 as you’ll see).
90% of thieves open with steal as a gap closer. So to counter this try to gauge steal distance and right before they get in range pop stealth to generate a clone and use GS4 to get your 1st phantasam out. If they are bad they will waste steal on your clone, if not, no biggie. While still stealthed get off GS2 for vuln and swap to sword/pistol immediately and pop #4 for your duelist.
At this point you are out of stealth and they are either beginning to attack or stealth’d to prep an attack. If they stay unstealth and beging to haste/spam pop pistol 5 to stun then blink away letting your phantasams to continue to dps. When they stealth just continue moving around and as soon as you start to take damage IMMEDIATELY hit sword 2 to blow them up and lol at your immunity. Dodge away, swap to GS, #4, for another big damage dump. At this point your stealth/blink are back up and it’s game over. As soon as wep swap CD is up switch back to sword/pistol and save your #2/#5 for a last ditch stealth assault if they have managed to survive that long.
With this general strategy I can destroy most thieves 1v1 without even the need to pop a heal. The glassier they are the easier the fight.
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mesmer has limited AoE. If you mainly do WvW an engi or necro can be much more fun from an AoE perspective. I honestly find mesmer boring in WvW and prefer necro. Mesmer is cool for small skirmishes but dont feel like they bring much to big clashes vs other classes that are more aoe geared. I mean what are you doing on keep defense? GS/Staff? borrrrrringgg
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if bunker has everything on CD a glass cannon should blow them up. Goes both ways, if glass cannon has no offensive CDs up they are just a sitting duck.
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i think what he’s saying is that spamming 1 button should not be so effective that it is actually viable even for bad/fotm players. As a ranger you can honestly get by with a bleed spec spamming 1 on shortbow. If the target has condition removal on CD they will melt in a matter of seconds simply by using 1 attack.
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Wow!
I pointed out that that “interview” (reddit one) had many ortographic and grammar mistakes which led me into believing it was a fake and my post got deleted? How does that not provide contribution when it’s a valid question in regard to thread’s subject?!
I’m speechless for the mods here.
The mistakes that “Jon” makes are pretty embarrassing. I really believed it was a 10 year old.
I think it is quite possible that it is fake, at least for Jon’s sake.
Let’s look at a few of these mistakes:
“if we merged heart we woulrd just have 20 overflows instead. so still only see some people and no choerence”Woulrd? Choerence?
“i mean seeing the same peoply so you can form a community”
Peoply? Really? Y isn’t even close to E on the keyboard.“bunker guardian has to much retal period. obviously. frankitteno much prot also. but that is not the heart of the matter. the core problem is real. because with it, bunker builds eliminate spike builds from the meta game. which in turn makes bunker builds OP. so the counter to them is beeing countered by them. aka balance problem. defensive builds are important, they help establish strategies. but they are als determining the entire meta right know.”
Pretty much all of this is fail.
“more buf fixes for necor coming. i feel like we got some good bugs out this week.”
“because u have WvW and the game isnt designe for open pvp.”
“um ho do you not?”
“and you can do that in WvW in fact. i do that every time i log into WvW. you can absolutely gank in WvW. the only reason for not beeing able to is if you are sucking. plain and simple. it the truth, i call it like i see it”All of these quotes look like a 10 year old texting on their iPhone. I would think a professional would speak correctly, at least to show us that he/she is somewhat intelligent.
I almost hope that this is fake. Most companies don’t allow this type of texting-speech to be used.
I’m glad I’m not the only one here that noticed how bad the grammar was in this Q&A conversation. Perhaps we should not take it too seriously, as it may not have been legit. After all, Jon’s forum posts are far more coherent and correctly written.
love these grammar losers. He comes online and posts in chat, people cry he doesnt use proper spelling. Had he not spoken at all you’d be crying zomg they dont communicate with their players ever.
lose-lose
Dear Jon, next time you come online even though you are getting asked 10 questions per second make sure you take the time to use proper sentence structure, spelling, and punctuation to not make whiners upset.
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I translated the OP:
I kill other bad glass cannon builds in my bad glass cannon build but die to classes with pets that do not allow me to stun/hb them, please fix.
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Didn’t you used to run staff vs GS? why the change? I used that old guide to create my current build, will check this one out as well.
I was running Staff originally, but I wanted the knockback from GS, and it turns out the phantasm is better.
GS lacks the combo field creation of Staff but I like the GS abilities a lot. The only downside to GS is that the autoattack is a like a reverse tracer pointing the way back to the Mesmer.
with the oh sword phantasm it has to get in range then leap. that split second is enough time for someone to stay perpetually out of range and your sword phantasm to just run around after them.
I hear you.
I tried OH Sword phantasm tonight for about an hour, and the damage is pretty nuts, and that phantasm has a much shorter time between attacks than Duelist or Berserker.
yea after running with GS over staff i totally agree. The knockback combined in quick succession with pistol 5 is enough to neutralize a point vs anyone.
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I can tell you right now, he’s one if those that probably feels like Phantasms shouldn’t be shattered.
high dps phantasams should not be shattered if you use something like taugrims build where you are getting bonuses for how many you have up, with the exception of trying to burst someone down with very low health or f3/f4 to stop a stomp or get a stomp.
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Some snippets:
Jon
bunker guardian has to much retal period. obviously. frankitteno much prot also. but that is not the heart of the matter. the core problem is real. because with it, bunker builds eliminate spike builds from the meta game. which in turn makes bunker builds OP. so the counter to them is beeing countered by them. aka balance problem. defensive builds are important, they help establish strategies. but they are als determining the entire meta right know.
Zed Zebes > is that PVP blog ever made?
Jon
its done in localization. but that team is backed up. working on localizing other aspects so we are backlogged
kittenmer > so how will u guys fix AFKers and people who leave during tournaments?
Jon
afkers is system in place already. just needs refining. just like lots of things. this is a big game
Kriptic > i do hope the concept of portal will still stay intact, that skill is essential in WvW to break up campers
Jon
portal is great. not sure about taking repair kit through it yet. its cool but its just a big too big of a need on mesmers
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Line of Warding: This skill now lasts for 5 seconds instead of 8 seconds.
Wrathful Spirit: This Honor trait’s retaliation duration has been decreased from 10 seconds to 3 seconds.
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it is encoded in a secret language that requires extensive translation effort
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lol at thief shortbow need a nerf because every thief use it..maybe because it gives us mobility and survivability?
so nerf every staff for mesmer because evey mesmer has a staff. nerf every shield because every warrior has one. . .
these are not suggestions, these are people who want to destroy a class. it is sad.
most mesmers run GS / sword/pistol lol
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sword off hand is not good, the phantasm spawns at your location then runs to the target and typically dies faster in multi-person fights due to aoe
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Sprawl, I completely disagree with your assessment on how necros play. If a necro is solo roaming, he’s doing himself and his team a diservice. In my experience from tpvp, a necro’s greatest strength is in team fights, where he can help spread and control conditions, tipping the fight into his team’s favor. Also, I find that my guardian and my necro seem to get fairly similar point totals in tpvp, since as a necro I’m generally assisting at points rather then completely roaming and capping points.
More on topic, this is a good start Krozzy, though there are a few things that other people have already hit on to improve the accuracy of the data, it’s still a fairly decent representation, and I applaud you for the time you invested.
roaming in terms of assisting teammates at points, therefore he is getting more flips and more kills than other team mates who are solo roaming going for steals or bunkering.
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