Guild Wars 2

Would YB quit teaming up with other servers? BP and YB ganging up on EBay right now just makes me sick!

kidding… nice to see a multi-color map right now with everyone going at everyone.

Ooph… where will this thread go next? More FA congrats, comments about FA tanking to get into silver league, the obvious imbalance in Silver League… hmmm.

spoj.9672:

Whirling axe when hitting 5 targets is less total damage than axe auto hitting 3 targets for the same duration. Axe 5 is always a dps loss. Never use axe 5, its awful.

Not sure if this is accurate. Based on Wiki numbers using 3k power against 2500 toughness and no extra coefficient modifiers to keep this somewhat simple:

One base attack rotation: ((252 * 0.7 * 3000) / 2500) + (2 * ((538 * 1.4 * 3000) / 2500)) + (2 * ((470 * 1.4 * 3000) / 2500)) + ((504 * 1.5 * 3000) / 2500) = 4505.76

Two full base attack rotations against max AoE targets = (4505.76 * 2 * 3) = 27034.56

Whriling Axe: ((1005 * 2.85 * 3000) / 2500) * 15 = 51556.5

Whirling Axe appears to be considerably better but my math or the wiki may be off somewhere. WA also gives more adrenalin and crits in the same time period.

Zach.3264:

Axe/Axe is better for leveling, and Axe/Mace is better than GS in my opinion (at end game).

GS gives faster travel which is why it stayed equipped on my warrior during the leveling process. Also Hundred Blades is crazy good against PvE mobs. I agree that the Axe is the better general PvE weapon though. Just make sure to carry a rifle for those tough boss fights.

warriorjrd.8695:

Theives wear medium armour, try again. Thus making eles the squishiest going by base stats

Hate to take this off topic again but a D/D ele is one of the tankier classes in the game. In solo fights, the D/D ele may be the strongest bunker.

For general PvE leveling, I used a signet warrior with the greatsword and axe/axe. I used zerk equipment in everything. The mace and sword are both excellent as well. Equip a rifle for ranged fights or bosses that hit hard.

This build doesn’t work particularly well in WvW or dungeons but nice for leveling up in PvE.

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The system needs a big overhaul and many of the ideas here are fantastic but I would shoot for a smaller, easier to develop and quicker to roll out first pass. IMO guild tags and tiered multi-color commander tags would be a great start.

Rangers have a lot of downsides but tagging isn’t one of them. Piercing Arrow trait makes for excellent tag capability at very long range with the longbow and extremely quick tagging with the shortbow. The Axe also jumps multiple targets per base attack which makes it fantastic for tagging under lag. Dont forget about the torch and traps.

Blackhat.4016:

That’s indeed a good point but I think if the score is somewhat even players will stay and fight instead of ignoring WvW for the rest of the week. This is what usually happens on the other 2 servers if they have a bigger server playing against them:

In my experience people start logging out after they had their teeth kicked in a few times. The score probably has some influence but so long as another server has turned another server’s keeps to paper and keeps them backed up to legendaries players simply won’t join in.

WvWvW can be fixed by going to GvGvG. No need to invent another system. They should align guilds based on alliances against warring guilds each week. Easier to balance, creates fresh matches and players do have something to fight for… their chosen guild.

As long as I have had it they have vanished on down just like bloodlust stacks. The description is likely wrong but it is probably working as intended. Still the best WxP spent bang for buck.

Does DH have community forums and TeamSpeak?

Because the queues aren’t the only reason to vacate top tier servers. Some players simply don’t want to play on maps with 100 players blobbing up and running around. I enjoy the mid tier fights much more than I did the top tier ones but I prefer to skirmish/solo much of the time.

“After fighting, everything else in your life got the volume turned down.” – Fight Club

Noice.8730:

Do you also remember the first week of that match up? You guys won…well mostly because it’s our fault.. we underestimated you guys and thought we can have a week break coz of the hard fights in tier 4. But I couldn’t believe all the smack talk your guys did to us that week. The next reset, I personally rallied over 80 of my guild members to your home borderlands, we were still FTF back then, and flipped it all. I rarely had my squad leaders on in one time with their squad members with them but they were surprisingly on from Alpha to Echo squads. They just want your bl so bad.

Yeah, EBay just didn’t show up in force the first week and BP was stoked to move up. Lots of trash talk flew around and then the schooling began. I learned A LOT from guilds like GF during skirmish and Rekz during skill group fights. BP got considerably better as the weeks went on and I think EBay got bored being stuck against lower pop servers.

I was not a happy camper during the entire affair though… I still cared about holding keeps and such so it was far more personal than today. Now I just want good challenging but winnable fights but sadly leagues for me brought mostly out numbered fights one right after another.

“Fixing” the score doesn’t solve the crappy fights. Most players want fights that are fun. The current score system is just an indicator to how out of balance the fighting is.

Simply put, I don’t care if I am ticking more points if I am getting run over by 3 to 4 times the number of players.

GabGar.4962:

Lol stop the kitten about an alliance, last night EB BL was all red but the garrison, and I commanded inside it, we just get wiped in lords rooms because the pugs didnt push when they should do

BTW thanks EB you are awesome in fights, even with small numbers you are a fearsome force, BP should learn something from you instead of crying so much.

Sensitive? I didn’t say anything about an alliance. What I did say was rather than pummel/troll a half dozen BP PUGs go to the fully Blue map (which it was at the time) and get into a fights worthy of your server’s size and skill. I get YB gets bored and their groups do things to keep it “fun” but it did get a little ridiculous last night in that instance.

Noice.8730:

Yeah, ebay has been fighting servers bigger than them since day 1 and we’re really used to running guerrilla tactics in order to survive and hold our ranking. Our guys’ morale is hard as steel.

I like EBay and YB but it wasn’t that long ago that EBay and BP were locked into the same tier for 13 weeks with EBay having a substantially larger population. EBay mercilessly pummeled BP for months… I don’t think EBay has any claim to tough fights more so than any number of other servers.

I think that is what gets lost in translation… we have all seen our fair share of crappy matchups. BP in general has a particularly strong dislike for EBay because of that 13 week stretch, but all mid tier servers know what it is like to get rolled over by a more populated server.

wads.5730:

you want atleast half full zerker longbow rangers, its mad deeps, like army of moving arrow carts. and they have bear pets, super tank yo

I would join in on a 25 man Ranger squad just to see it. We could call them All Rangers All the Time [ARAT]. The look on the enemies face would be priceless.

I suggested something similar to this a few days ago. The change I suggested was to run leagues 48 hours from reset over the weekend then do a regular match during the week based on overall rankings. This way if a match is a blow out it won’t go on all week. They could run leagues X amount of weeks and not burn as many players out.

Cinder.2056:

Portal bombing is rubbing it in? How?

And please, you have no idea how hard SBI spawn camped us prior to last week’s match ups.

25+ players bombing 5 or so PUGs at north camp a half dozen times is a bit much. Fun once or twice I suppose but starts getting a little abusive after that. It may be fair play but it is really beneath most skilled organized guilds and in general gives a server a bad reputation.

We have fewer numbers than YB and fought the same servers so we have a pretty good idea what FA, YB and SBI are like.

Skeletor.9360:

I feare it will be a great idea and as popular as the toxic guys are in WvW…..

Oh my….

The genius to that was putting them right in the middle of the mercenary camps. At least the do not touch crap is easily avoidable.

What to do with weeks like these? YB avoids taking EBay keeps. EBay tries to keep their side locked down. Much of BP doesn’t even show up… ughh… will be glad to be out of leagues and let the more populated servers rise up the ranks. Certainly better fights for all sides.

It was a bit painful to watch 25+ SE in BP BL North Camp portal bomb a half dozen players over and over. I suppose they got bored since BP isn’t running many open field fights these days, but still sad to see. My only suggestion would be to head over to EBay BL and take a keep.

2 support guardians and 3 hammer/banner/shout warriors per party. Multiply party by as many as you need. Heavies are all you need and this setup will wreck composite groups.

This setup has tons of heal, stability, max might, loads of control, rezzing, just about every boon imaginable, ridiculous amounts of condition removal, every player has tons of armor, big HP pools and of course DPS is off the chart. The entire setup is even easy to play.

Many players don’t generally like bandwagon servers. Once some players found out a dev plays there and SBI would likely be a top Silver league server, they got transfers. Prior to that (and in my experience before and after) I find SBI to be a fine server for the most part. Not many guilds “rubbed it in” while I was fighting them out manned. I cannot say the same for some other servers (looking at you SE who spent a half hour portal bombing a handful of players in N camp).

I will try to be more evasive when they disappear. The fights sure are fun as they go on for 5 or so minutes but a bit frustrating.

Eloquence.5207:

They can’t chase you.

True enough. The last fight I reset 3-4 times. They cannot kill me if I don’t push the envelope but I cannot kill them either. They are very durable and pretty impressive to watch.

eithinan.9841:

hammer warriors can deal with stealth.

I run a hammer build but I just started the warrior so I still make a lot of mistakes. Against these mesmers even when I land a hit it is frequently blocked. The real problem with the hammer builds is that they are highly telegraphed so I have zero problems dropping one on my thief since all of their attacks are easily dodged. Its their second weapon that usually is the scary one (looking at you mace).

Wow what the hell is this roaming mesmer build that has popped up recently? Constantly dodging with seemingly no downtime, blocks even if a player does manage to get a hit, stability/stun breakers galore, blinks and invis constantly… my warrior cannot keep up. My thief can kill it but it takes a mighty lucky hit. I haven’t seen any body playing it in duels but have run across six or so in WvW roaming in the last week.

Not complaining just curious how to beat the thing. Anyway props to the mesmers taking my lunch money this week.

I would suggest none of the above until a couple more weeks to see how leagues effect populations. There will probably be a lot of shuffling after this week and you may find yourself on a sinking server if you move too soon.

IMO, most servers are “good” servers depending on your play style and what you are looking for. I tend to avoid the current bandwagon servers as they are pretty volatile and attract players who don’t react well to losses. Servers who are growing and are doing so mostly from a population trickle are the best ones IMO.

I would also make sure the server has active forums and decent server TeamSpeak.

Vindicated! Just kidding… happy to see the designers changed their minds on this. Good to see a game company listening to the community and adjusting the game from that feedback.

Your server beat the crap out of servers for several weeks and you are complaining about getting beaten one week. You aren’t tough enough to play on BP and should really consider yourself lucky you aren’t on IoJ or NSP.

IMO the tough guys of this matchup and the ones who should get the big chest is IoJ and NSP servers who marched on through this league significantly out numbered. How would you like to wake up with backed up to your legendaries and rebuild every day from that start?

Transfer to another server this week, finish your tasks for the key and as a bonus see if you like playing in the lower tiers. If you don’t like it, you get your key and you can transfer back.

Aside from the gem cost there is zero downside to this strategy.

Disappointing… no because most of the players here predicted exactly how it would go and it went exactly as people expected it would. There were zero upsets as to who would make top 3 in each tier. Some servers swapped places but that isn’t really an upset.

Disappointed… yes because it went just as everyone expected. Numbers ruled the day and blowouts were common in Gold/Silver. If there is another league I am headed to bronze where the matches looked pretty close and probably a lot more fun.

It sucks but you have to think of everything as paper. It will all be taken and there is little reason to put a defense in anything besides keeps. Even then it only makes sense in some circumstances. In no case should you become attached to fortifications. WvW is an open field game with scoring nodes.

It takes a while before that mental adjustment can happen for a lot of players. It feels personal when another server is beating on your door and nobody comes to help. This is particularly bruising when there are enough players on a map to save it. Stings almost as much when it happens to PvDoor overnight. Sadly this is the environment and it is unlikely to change since it is fundamental design.

Server: BP
League: Silver
Enjoyed Season 1: No
Should we have season 2: No if there are no changes. Maybe with some changes that are more balanced. Almost every match in Silver was a monster blow out. There were some exceptions but by the end players were tagging out on really hard weeks and tagging in on more even matchups.

If they are going to have a Season 2… my suggestion is to have the match run 24 or 48 hours from reset. One or two day matches each week for N weeks to determine the winner. Weekends have better coverage for all servers, little time for a match to get way out of hand and would allow week day matches to be more laid back. This would also give a breather for teams that got crushed over the weekend.

If you like the people at FA might want to hang until leagues are over (next week). Matchups should return to normal and I am sure some of the T2 servers who have been punching above their weight class with T1 will be happy to flog FA for a while.

If you want to try a new server, anything T4-T6 is a good choice IMO. Once the leagues are over, the fights in this region are some of the best in the game. The server I am on (BP) is pretty great with a nice dedicated WvW presence along with server TS and a welcoming attitude.

Been on five US servers and the best commander I have followed is DTC Justice on BP. Stays calm, very concise, excellent strategy, adapts quickly, always trying new tactics, plenty of outmanned fights with wins, encourages new players, rarely gets upset and doesn’t quit after losses even during the crappiest of match ups. He even gutted it out when tiers were locked and BP was stuck against a much more populated server for over three months.

Probably his best ability is to heard PUGs, turn them into a formidable fighting force and not make them feel like 2nd class WvW citizens. Not many commanders have the patience for that.

I am sure there are others who can say the same but he is the only one like that I have run with.

WvW achievements should really be like Agent of Entropy which is basically a treadmill with no end. Every X amount of Y should give achievement points. Course that might send several players into the achievement point stratosphere immediately.

Commanders should give fairly constant but brief movement and action commands (break left, stack here, going to that flag, veil, etc). Repeating is also good (stack, stack, stack). They should avoid shouting when excited and should hat off when they are irritable. Chit chat is OK out of combat on the way to some place.

If a commander isn’t talking, the rabble who feel self important fill the quiet with inane thoughts and sound effects. We have guys who meow and cluck (and I mean they actually meow and cluck) constantly in our channels. When that isn’t happening I am listening to a group of people tell me they just achieved some unimportant objective such as “Awesome, I just hit rank 50”. I think I have about 50+ people muted in the TS now.

Annoying chat is the single thing that keeps most people I know from joining a main channel.

Best advice I can give as a roamer/skirmisher: record yourself and play it back. Watching back footage gives you are better perspective which allows you to slow the fight down so you can break it all down.

The other suggestions about fight nights are good. Finding a guild that has their own arena is also good, but ultimately watching “game tape” is one of the best ways I know of to see mistakes and help correct them.

Silver league has seen almost every match each week end with 100k+ victories. Gold isn’t a lot better but Silver has by far the most lopsided matches going.

I don’t think there has been an upset for 1st place in any match yet.

Going to keep tagging any thread that supports account bound WxP until they change it, I quit the game or get banned for it.

What do we want, Account bound WxP! When do we want it, As soon as the devs can write it.

Now that they are fixing perma-stealth and stun lock warriors, they need to tone down condi-bunkers. After that, we can go back to the stealth OP discussion. Outside of D/P thieves aren’t really that scary.

Mirsa.1628:

You write about warriors as if they are gods…

Which they are certainly not.

I didn’t say they were gods, but they are the deadliest overall class right now. A warrior is deadly in every role of WvW and has an edge over most classes in each of those situations. They are dominating the meta right now because they are relatively easy to master, have strong survivability, excellent control, great utility, excellent damage and again excel in most WvW roles.

I am pretty sure warriors kill more players than any other class in WvW right now. As I said before the current OP control/damage warrior is getting a big ole nerf Dec 10th and pretty much everyone saw it coming.

Most guilds don’t really have much use for medium armor classes. They might splash some in but that is generally speaking all they allow. Light armor classes are welcome often with very specific builds and roles. Pretty much all guilds with open enrollment welcome guardians and warriors. Some might have a list of builds to chose from and have a skill requirement (as in you can hold your own on fight night) but many will be willing to train anyone that will run a heavy armor class character.

Agreed…. I wouldn’t mind seeing free transfers come back actually. Maybe with a longer timeout but free transfers allowed players to sample different styles of WvW play. Now I just feel stuck since moving away from a primary guild isn’t preferable and few guild can afford to move en masse.

Takes too long to level WxP much like earning WvW achievements. The scale compared to character leveling is at least 100 to 1 (as in it takes 100 times longer to cap in WvW as it does to cap a player). Even if we are talking just capping masteries not entire WvW levels it is still a good 20 to 1.

They dug in on this issue and unfortunately have no interest in reverting it… yet. Most players hate it and it has pretty much killed Alt Play by a significant portion of the players in WvW (at least the ones I am in contact with).

Warrior… no question… warrior… yep warrior.

Only class in WvW that is a beast in almost every role (roamer, skirmish, zerg). They are the highest burst class, best zerg damage/utility (banner warrior), pretty much tied for best solo mobility (speed warrior), tons of control attached to a lot of damage. They even shrug off conditions and start with enough HP/Armor that most light/medium armor get only by stating for it.

So good they are finally nerfing the control/damage/speed warriors.

Is someone actually asking to buff the warrior? Cannot tell if this is a joke or serious… I am going with a joke because that request is laughable.

I can imagine it… warrior pops out of nowhere chain stun/immobilize, GS a player into the ground, stealth, run away. In case this is serious, the thief and to a much lessor degree the ranger use stealth as a way to evade damage. Giving that ability to quite possibly the strongest WvW class in the game would be a really… really… really bad idea.

Here is my list:

Defense Against Guards: 10
Guard Killer: 10
Supply Mastery: 4
Build Mastery: 2
Repair Mastery: 1
Ram Mastery: 3
AC Mastery: 4
Cata Mastery: 4
Siege Might: 5
Ballista Mastery: 4
Treb Mastery: 3

I think that is around 550 WvW levels. Then I started stockpiling points. When I get 300+ I will dump them into Supply Capacity. They will probably come out with something I would rather have first though.

GL and AP are two big driving factors in WvW. Some players are driven to get it. Those who have it feel a real sense of loss when they die. Gaining and losing stacks has breathed some extra life into WvW for many.

I see the negatives but IMO the positives out weigh them. Stacks create an extra set of thrills and makes a less experienced character (not necessarily player) think twice before jumping on that Bronze or higher player which is in many ways is as it should be.

Put an ICD on it. Fixed.

Saddens me that Sigil of Generosity has become the most expensive sigil by a mile and is worth it in some builds.