Guild Wars 2

Necro can already do that. People just don’t want to admit it and want to get more buff.

Definitely delusional.

They complain that the Abjured won because they stack bunker Eles. They conveniently forget that oRNG has a bunker Ele too, and a super bunker Guardian. In fact, Tage barely lost HP while Wakkey/Phantaram died constantly.

What happened was the Abjured rotated right, and make Tage vs Nos all the time, keeping one of the bunker out of loop, and cannot heal their teammates. oRNG was totally out rotated. Attempting to use the double Ele as an excuse for poor play is delusional. Remember, oRNG has an Ele and a super bunker Guardian too.

I mostly agree with everything you said. Overall very good WTS!

I hope that together with the league system, we will have a much better PvP scene. This game has an awesome combat system. It has a lot of potential.

P.S: I hope they reset the MMR for the league.

1. Tempest (Overall): 2
2. Traits: 2
3. Warhorn: 3
4. Overloads: 1
5. Healing Skill: 2
6. Utilities: 3
7. Elite Skill: 1
8. Animations & sound effects: 4

This salty QQ is delicious, I don’t even need to add sriracha!

The EU team got out rotated and lost. It’s like a team in soccer/football got outplayed and lost, then complain that the other team don’t have good techniques, only good passing/shooting.

That’s lame. Lol. They played by the rule of the game, and they won. Deal with it xD

Halan.7931:

BrotherBelial.3094:

Halan.7931:

choovanski.5462:

Malediktus.9250:

So why can PvP earn most of the PvE skins for less work?

you mean dungeons? you think pvp is easier than dungeons? you joker

You auto-join games (instead of looking for group), you can’t be kicked, you don’t have to deal with metajerks, just capture points and fight other players.
Completing reward track twice gives you enough tokens for a Gift, a few weapons and two armor skins.

I’m not talking about actual PvP vs dungeons, but about convenience for solo player.

And do you have any idea how long that can take? I lost 6 games in a row the other day, and got 3 rewards from it. Also have to deal with whispers from people calling you this and that because you are better than them with your class. People calling the team names and going afk because the first 10 seconds of the match don’t go well. People leaving mid game or before match starts because they don’t like the map.

Quite fast, actually. I discovered PvP just a week ago, now I have 1 fully completed AC reward track + 14/40 AC (then it got disabled) + 19/40 Glorious.
After 59 played games.

Only got trash talk when our group fought against a premade in Courtyard, otherwise it was pretty nice. I’m in Europe, if it matters.

60 games? With 15m per game including queue time.. Actually, let’s say it takes you 10m per game (for your benefit), that means 10 hours right there. I can do a round of AC in less than an hour (sometimes less than 30m for 3 paths). That rewards at least 5g and enough tokens for you to buy exotics. You spent 10 hours to get what, one AC reward track that rewards less than 1h of PvE?

Also, the people complaining about exclusive PvP rewards should realize how much exclusive PvE reward they have. PvP people can’t even have a legendary unless they do a full map completion.

Forgive my language but you guys should shut up and go back to your corner.

Condi ranger and burn guardians.

Ele burning is good too. However, it only works with bad player in PvP since it requires the opponent to walk in and out of the ring multiple times.

Burn.5401:

I’m from EU and it’s hilarious how some people discredit The Abjured for using eles in their comp like some mysic ritual forbid the other teams from playing with 5 eles if they wanted to. Face it – oRNG’s rotations were bad in the grand final and TA took maximum advantage of that. Do I need to remind that oRNG were using a BURN guardian throughout most of the games? Stop crying and give these guys some cheers kitten .

+1 no one forbid the EU team to play 4 Ele or 5 Ele. It’s clear with the game they they got totally outrotated. Classes or what not doesn’t help oRNG to win if they rotate like that. Ele is just an excuse people try to pull out to explain for the poor performance.

chibbi.3706:

To everyone saying abjured didn’t win cuz double ele but cuz they outrotated etc.

The fact that they had double ele helps A LOT to outrotate the enemy team. When a class is so mobile, while being impossible to fight 1v1 and can sustain a 1v2 on point for a while and still disengage after that, and when you have 2 of that, of course you’re gonna outrotate the opponent.

Dude, oRNG left their points unwatched all the time. They zerg around fighting +1 +2.

The rule is if you +1 for more than 15s and still can’t kill, gotta leave and check the points. That’s basic rotation for any semi-competitive team. They got lost in the zerg fights.

oRNG lost to the Abjured both mechanically and rotation-wise.

Also, now people in EU can shut up saying “NA has no competitive scene and that’s why the Abjured keeps winning”

The fact is they are strong, and that’s why they win.

Also, the the complaint about Ele is getting old. Phantaram had been playing Ele when it was the bottom tier (and still won). They are just good players. oRNG played like pugs on front of the Abjured.

It definitely has less survivability too. Group support in both PvP and PvE are lacking. Tempest doesn’t provide support, it’s the warhorn that provides support. I wish we can take Warhorn without having to take Tempest.

It’s a net dps loss

Just tested. It deals less damage per second than other classes, and even worse than just normal Fireball + Lava Font.

Basically, it doesn’t offer enough to justify the 4—5s casting time, and then another 5s waiting time when you get into the attunement.

Assassin O.9367:

I bet all the pros just frown when they read these petty forums about daily nerfs…. I wonder what the next class the community is going to whine about after Ele is finally nerfed back to the 2 year ago Ele

QFT.

Use your logic, instead of ad hominem. Saying I’m pathetic while you’re complaining about Ring of Fire doesn’t help your cause.

Not being able to refute any of the things I said doesn’t help it either.

Peace.

So if < a class you perceive as weak > can kill Ele, it’s because of gimmicks? And if < a class you perceive as strong > can kill Ele, it’s because of OP?

The class gets stacked because:
1) it’s fun to play
2) more importantly, because the top players has already mained it. Do you think Nos/5gauge/Toker plays Necro/Engi/Thief because those classes are OP? No. It’s because those are their main. They are top tier, and they play those classes because they enjoy it. The same for Phantaram/Wakkey. They play Ele because it’s their main. Saying they purposely stacking Ele is just confirmation bias.

3 months ago, when Engi was god, did you say 5gauge played Engi because it’s OP?

2 years ago, when Ele was bottom tier, did you say Phantaram played Ele because they wanted to stack Ele?

Look at the situation more objectively and improve your play instead of complaining about Ring of Fire.

If your warrior/warrior duel ends in less than 15m, at least one of the warrior is doing something wrong, or not master dueling skills yet. GS movement skills can “heal” for about 1.5k by giving downtime to the opponent DPS. There are a bunch of other tricks too.

This constant request to balance for bad players gives me facepalm. Looking at other QQ/whining threads, it’s clear that it’s the same people posting again and again. Their logic is also weird:

“I made bad plays, so what? The game should be balanced for bad players”

“I don’t believe signet Necro can win Ele, I won’t listen, I only want to complain”

I feel like there is nothing we can do. It’s like the Obama birther movement. People have already made up their mind that Ele is OP. They just keep looking for excuses to confirm their belief, doesn’t matter how ridiculous the excuses are.

This constant request to balance for bad players gives me facepalm. Looking at other QQ/whining threads, it’s clear that it’s the same people posting again and again. Their logic is also weird:

“I made bad plays, so what? The game should be balanced for bad players”

“I don’t believe signet Necro can win Ele, I won’t listen, I only want to complain”

I feel like there is nothing we can do. It’s like the Obama birther movements. People have already made up their mind that Ele is OP. They just keep looking for excuses to confirm their belief, doesn’t matter how ridiculous the excuses are.

Why do people complain about Ele if there are also a lot of people in this thread saying a bunch of build can win over Ele?

I feel like there are two classes of players: the ones who walk in and out of Ring of Fire multiple times, and the ones who don’t.

With an equal skill signet Necro vs meta D/D ele, the Necro should win all the time.

As soon as the opponent is smart about when to interrupt/applying chill/corrupting boons, the Ele would be in trouble.

The best thing you should try to do is out rotate the Necro.

Saiyan.1704:

Sunshine.5014:

Saiyan.1704:

Random Weird Guy.3528:

Saiyan.1704:

Rotations is 10s – Pyromancer’s Training

Do you even know the meaning of elementalist skill rotation? You know that eles don’t just camp fire right? There are skills in other attunements that need to be used in order to be effective, frozen burst for example should be used in every rotation and is a 15s cd.

Which part of my posts suggested people to camp in Fire Attunement??

Yes, blast finishers in fire fields gives you 3 stacks of might. It’s very easy to waste a might stack if it means you’ll trap 1 or more people in the ring. Especially if this was a tpvp skirmish scenario… enter Fire Attunement for a RoF potential 6 stack+ burn effect definitely outweighs that single effect you gain from rotations.

I’m not saying to skip rotations entirely… I Never said to stay and camp in fire attunement.

I question your honesty when you keep telling people about the mythical easy 6 burn stacks per RoF cast.

Ring of Fire apply no burning stack on cast, and only apply 3 stacks when you walk in and out of it. If the opponent gets 6 stacks, that’s a proof of a bad play. How do you even defend that bad play?

“Burning needs to be toned down for sure on Ele”
“Burning damage needs to be towned down by 8-15%”
“Its not burn guerd it’s ele” – different forum

I’m saying it’s the reason why “Ele burn op plez nurf” threads are being made more often than that other “nerf burn >insert other class<” threads.

Everything about Ele’s burning is fine with the exception of “those bad plays” that seem to happen more often then not in any given tpvp scenario. It’s the fact that Ele’s can cast RoF 3x more than a Guardian’s Purging Flames in a single match, resulting in these “bad plays” occurring more often.

That’s all that I’m saying here.
…

Okay. So would you nerf Guardians’ Ring of Warding because I’m a bad player and run into it all the time and die?

You can dodge in/out of a Ring of Fire, but not a Guardians’ ring.

Bad players die too much to a skill because of their own actions is not a good excuse to request a nerf. It’s like I request a nerf to reflection because I play power Ranger and I just want to spam skill, even when the enemy has reflection on.

So let’s nerf guardians’ reflection to cover my bad play? Similarly to Ring of Fire, reflection does no damage on it own. It only has damage when the opponent is bad. And just for reminder again, you can just dodge out of the Ring of Fire once and the entire damage will be wasted. Why do you have to walk on it?

Saiyan.1704:

Random Weird Guy.3528:

Saiyan.1704:

Rotations is 10s – Pyromancer’s Training

Do you even know the meaning of elementalist skill rotation? You know that eles don’t just camp fire right? There are skills in other attunements that need to be used in order to be effective, frozen burst for example should be used in every rotation and is a 15s cd.

Which part of my posts suggested people to camp in Fire Attunement??

Yes, blast finishers in fire fields gives you 3 stacks of might. It’s very easy to waste a might stack if it means you’ll trap 1 or more people in the ring. Especially if this was a tpvp skirmish scenario… enter Fire Attunement for a RoF potential 6 stack+ burn effect definitely outweighs that single effect you gain from rotations.

I’m not saying to skip rotations entirely… I Never said to stay and camp in fire attunement.

I question your honesty when you keep telling people about the mythical easy 6 burn stacks per RoF cast.

Ring of Fire apply no burning stack on cast, and only apply 3 stacks when you walk in and out of it. If the opponent gets 6 stacks, that’s a proof of a bad play. How do you even defend that bad play?

Random Weird Guy.3528:

Saiyan.1704:

Rotations is 10s – Pyromancer’s Training

Do you even know the meaning of elementalist skill rotation? You know that eles don’t just camp fire right? There are skills in other attunements that need to be used in order to be effective, frozen burst for example should be used in every rotation and is a 15s cd.

+1 it looks like he doesn’t even understand the basic Ele rotation, which everyone in the forums says faceroll easy :|

10s or 15s doesn’t matter much for PvP since the rotation is 15s anyway and no one camps fire. Nerfing that only nerf Glass staff PvE, which does camp fire.

Saiyan.1704:

The only thing Burn related about Eles that needs adjusting is Ring of Fire.

• Pyromamer’s Training 33% down to 25%*
• Ring of Fire 1/4 cast duration to 1/2*

Reasoning
Fire Fields just became a tool used to prevent ‘path of direction’ – people stop in front of it or they get stuck inside because they don’t have a dodge or condi cleanse. Eles beings this tool out every 10s… you can imagine its AoE usefulness now.

There’s a reason why Guardian’s Purging Flame is 2x weaker.

• Casts every 28s
• Gets easily interupted thanks to it’s 3/4 cast time.
• 28s later… people have their dodge’s and condi cleanses back up.

Other than that, Ele burns are fine.
Conditions in general are actually subpar in competitive TPvP.

It’s hard to follow your logic. Those seem to be just random nerf request. How will a Ring of Fire cast time increase help you? People get burned when they walk in and out of the Ring, not on cast. Making it cast slower, but people still walk in and out of it multiple times, is meaningless.

The cooldown reduction nerf is even weirder. The rotation takes 15 seconds. You will need to time it so you have blast in Water anyway, which is 15s. Making it 33% or 25% is the same. It only nerfs Glass Staff PvE, not PvP.

/facepalm

I think the PvP population increased. I don’t understand where you get the impression that the population decreased?

In any case, ANet is the one with the real number. How about asking them instead of wondering ourselves?

I have 2x 7950 OC crossfired. Normally I have ~90fps on 2560×1440. Today I updated the patch, and I saw two new graphics options. However, the fps has dropped to ~40fps, which is very strange. Then I checked the CrossFire setting in the CCC. It turns out with crossfire on or off, I’ll get the same fps!

Please get crossfire working again for GW2. Thank you very much

I think the people who demanded the removal of soloq should apologize to the community. They frequently posted on the forums saying things like “soloq rank is meaningless” and wanted it to be removed. The sad thing is ANet listened to them.

Yes +1 ANet deserves a praise on this.

Great job the devs! I want to let you know how much we appreciate the regular balance patch!

Please also pass our thanks to the management who approved the more frequent balance schedule too. I know it’s a trade off of something else to get more balance patch out, especially when you guys are in a crunch time for releasing HoT!

Thanks!

Another terrible Elite
And
Need more stability

alemfi.5107:

mistsim.2748:

ive come to conclude that a good power ranger is better than a rampage zerker warrior in every single way. we have more survivability, our sustained damage is higher, roaming is as good, cc is better with beastly warden, and we have much more burst compared to a zerker warrior who’s not in Rampage. Rampage is also too easy to counterplay. I think other players are also starting to realize this.

thoughts?

SSSHHHH we are trying to keep it on the down low here. Let every one keep thinking warrior is op.

Yah, please keep telling people Ranger UP!!! Only Mesmer, Warrior and Ele are OP!

BlackBeard.2873:

Sunshine.5014:

The right way to nerf Ele is to give more innate defense into weapon (Blink/dodge/boons) while reduce the effect of water/Arcana traits. Ele must go to Water/Arcana now is because there is not enough defense built into their weapons, and they would die without the traits.

This is EXACTLY what I was going for with my suggestions: moving the healing/cleanse onto weapon skills, and giving greater access to defensive utilities. Maybe this wasn’t so outwardly apparent because there were other minor tweaks included in there.

Not really. Moving healing skill to Water just makes it much easier to kill an Ele. It doesn’t help with defense. What I ask for is movements skills and boons, to actively avoid damage with good timing and positioning. Without cantrips (you try to nerf it) Ele will die instantly to any burst outside of Water. Your “balance” will not give Ele the innate defense it needs.

BlackBeard, thanks for the feedback, but it won’t work. Your “nerfs” will further push Ele into D/D and cantrips because there is no alternative. Ele will instantly die to a Mesmer/Thief burst if they pick Signets or Glyphs. It’s even worse with your “nerfs” and make people run full bunker Ele.

The right way to nerf Ele is to give more innate defense into weapon (Blink/dodge/boons) while reduce the effect of water/Arcana traits. Ele must go to Water/Arcana now is because there is not enough defense built into their weapons, and they would die without the traits.

I’m curious, how do you plan to cast that 5s Fire overload you mentioned above? In the middle of a team fight?

Deniara Devious.3948:

Supreme.3164:

2) ICD on cleansing water = NO, this is the ele main trait, without which the profession is basically unplayable, an ICD would kill the profession as it’s the only source of reliable condi cleanse that ele possess

I suggested 5 icd, which could theoretically trigger 12 times in 1 minute. I would hardly call this much of a limitation.

You know what’s funny? They nerfed it to have 5s icd before, and Ele became too trashy that they had to revert it back to no cooldown.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/info/updates/Game-Update-Notes-April-30-2013/first#post1958243

Cleansing Water trait: Can now trigger only once every 5 seconds (only in PvP).

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/info/updates/Game-Update-Notes-April-15-2014/first#post3957343

Cleansing Water: This trait no longer has an internal cooldown while in PvP.

Now you suggest kitten icd again.

Hahahahaha

Those who fail to learn from history are doomed to repeat it.

the obligated: “can I have your stuffs?”

ChoChoBo.6503:

Tornado>Overload. Why? Stability.

Dude, 1 stack of stab every 3s? Have you seen a “tornado” gets knocked around by a Rampage warrior?

Dear ANet engineers gods,

Please let us use the Mystic Forge Conduit in HotM.

Thanks,

3/5 can be used in PvE, can’t be used in PvP with mantra Mesmers running around like hawks.

There are two camps of people raging at the moment:

1. Mesmer burst is too high, very hard to see from Stealth/Blink. I can sympathize with this camp, although I don’t fully agree with them.
2. Ele burning is too high. What’s funny is that Ele Ring of Fire apply no burning on cast. You must manually walk in and out it multiple times to get 12 stacks for 3k burning. I don’t sympathize with this group.

Yup, the Tempest spec will change the landscape quite a bit. Although it’s doesn’t change the fact that multiple Ele weapon has no built in defense, which requires Ele to trait into Arcana/Water to survive. The only one with defense mechanism is Focus.

The D/D Ele dilemma: not specing into Water/Arcana? No innate defense means you die in a few shots. Spec into Water/Arcana? Decent sustain that makes people rage.

Tempest won’t change the fact that D/D Ele still have almost no built in defense mechanism.

Ele needs more innate defense on weapon skills and mechanic, while much lower defense provided by trait. Then people can leave water/arcana.

Why Thief/Mesmer can fully spec into zerker and still can be viable? Because they have innate defense mechanism like Stealth and teleport, built directly into their weapon/basic utilities without having to trait for it.

It’s just you OP. This meta is much better than the meta of bunkers/shoutbow poking each other on point. People actually die in this meta 1v2. The fast pace gameplay (and Vigor need) bring risk to random dodge and reward good timing.

I have seen a lot of people who used to only press a few buttons on their classes complain because the skip ceiling has been raised and they can’t keep up with the fast pace gameplay.

Counter point: I also see plenty of my pure WvW friends join pvp. They didn’t join PvP before because they thought PvP was just a bunch of bunkers/bruisers Cele, which was true.

+1 please fix

/15 chars

Come on. Necro bottom tier class. Are you guys seriously complaining about it too?

I’m at loss at words to describe this absurdity.

Ill wait for the Dev’s explanation. And if it’s bad, I’ll switch to main Revenant.

They have heavy armor, dual sword, and 30 skills

If you honestly complain about this, it just proves that the meta hasn’t settled, and people continue to innovate.

Stagnant players will still complain though, then copy the innovative ones.

Slininstien.7546:

To me this is more of a “how do I kill a DD ele” post than anything. Simply put, have a thief and a mesmer, or a necro. A thief/mesmer can combo to break an ele in under 10s if the thief can steal the stability off the ele and the mesmer will stack daze and burst. A necro is the best 1v1 counter to this ele build at the moment anyway.

Tbh a thief CAN 1v1 a DD ele, but it needs to be VERY smart when it bursts if it is SA and if it’s Crit strikes it needs to be very mindful of its dodges and what it’s dodging.

Otherwise I’m not entirely sure what guardian builds if any can beat an ele and such like that. So just coordinate with your ele/necro/thief/mesmer on the team or any combo of those and you’ll be fine.

A burning guard can totally win a D/D Ele if they are smart about applying condi after Water. Of course, if you see the trend, most classes need to be smart about fighting an Ele, or bring a +1. That’s why we will never see an end to players complaining about Ele until everyone play smart.

Ele is very OP in hot join (the OP said he’s playing hotjoin)

Ele can’t 1v3 in high level games. The difference between forums feedback is because of that. I mean, 1v3, including a rampage Warrior, I wish Ele can do that in high level games.

Hey how about this. Play D/D Ele without EA in a tournament, and tell us how thing goes for you. Then request the nerf to EA.

Can we get some explanation why we can’t have this in the game?