Guild Wars 2

Chapell.1346:

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Hrmm so after y’all get steal/trickery nerfed what will you demand to nerf on thieves now?

P/P?

Lets put it this way.
by nerfing steal and trickery you ruin p/p (atleast half of p/p viable build that i know in conquest).
i swear, people in this game need to stop watching their twitch.tv hero.

they havent nerfed the actual weapon skills….watch unload channel to be decreased and zero projectile finisher slapped on

SYPHA.9283:

Lmao, getting QQ??

Cmon my main is a thief, easist cheese class in game. you either spam 2222222 or 33333333. not much skill in playing a thief atm. Well maybe 5 once in awhile.

But, i do so enjoy the thief forums , yall think youre really good at a cheese class.

lmfao 3333322222233333332222222

I sometimes wonder if anet made thieves for kittens???

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/members/SYPHA-9283/showposts

Hrmm so after y’all get steal/trickery nerfed what will you demand to nerf on thieves now?

P/P?

glock.6590:

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DeceiverX.8361:

Faeyd.5094:

I don’t really get this position where some thieves think it should be toned down because it’s easier than their super hard man spec that takes real men to play.

Don’t you guys play all specs/modes depending on mood? Who’s actually playing ONE spec all the time in ONE game mode? I play SA heavy if I want to relax, last night I was playing pure glass signet burn build because I was fidgety and wanted to twitch and blammo people. I get WAY more reward (personal points, team support) by playing power so let the shadow lovers be so they can enjoy the game too (and I can enjoy it when I get bored of power specs and play defensive specs). All classes can be played this way… relaxing or twitchy. That’s good. Floor and Ceiling.

This game has been going the way of DAoC for too long now… whiners everywhere, class envy all over the shop and intra-class spec envy.

The problem with SA though is that it’s one way or another a massive source of thief nerfs elsewhere. There’s little room to buff/alter the class elsewhere when traits like SE and SR exist.

SE and SR aren’t that great. In all actuality 1v1 a non SA thief has the upper hand due to trickery.

.You can run SA and Trickery. 2/0/6/0/6 is the meta for baddies who can’t play normally.

Are we talking P/D condi or are we talking power thieves using this set up?

DeceiverX.8361:

Faeyd.5094:

I don’t really get this position where some thieves think it should be toned down because it’s easier than their super hard man spec that takes real men to play.

Don’t you guys play all specs/modes depending on mood? Who’s actually playing ONE spec all the time in ONE game mode? I play SA heavy if I want to relax, last night I was playing pure glass signet burn build because I was fidgety and wanted to twitch and blammo people. I get WAY more reward (personal points, team support) by playing power so let the shadow lovers be so they can enjoy the game too (and I can enjoy it when I get bored of power specs and play defensive specs). All classes can be played this way… relaxing or twitchy. That’s good. Floor and Ceiling.

This game has been going the way of DAoC for too long now… whiners everywhere, class envy all over the shop and intra-class spec envy.

The problem with SA though is that it’s one way or another a massive source of thief nerfs elsewhere. There’s little room to buff/alter the class elsewhere when traits like SE and SR exist.

SE and SR aren’t that great. In all actuality 1v1 a non SA thief has the upper hand due to trickery.

DeceiverX.8361:

The suggestion posed by evilapprentice isn’t a nerf, though. If anything, it’s a buff to the skilled thieves out there. SA via rejuv is so passive, and only putting the condition cleansing in one utility and in sitting in stealth pigeon-holes too many thieves into SA + Shadowstep, especially in this condi roaming meta.

Actually it is a nerf.

Didn’t even take 2 months for the thief nerf threads to come back

Well how long ago were the nerfs to thieves?

I knew it was only a matter of time before more thief nerf demands started to sprout up.

But you couldn’t wait at least 6 months??

Once you get it down acrobatics is far greater in power than SA in every aspect except condi removal.

Maugetarr.6823:

@ kyubi: since you talk about D/P thieves healing in stealth driving you crazy, it might actually be the SA line that bothers you, not necessarily the D/P set.

Trickery D/P fights are usually fast paced while SA D/P is a long game of hide and seek.

Depends on player

The most OP trait line is trickery with acrobatics a close second

glock.6590:

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You do know that this would destroy any chance for thieves against condi.

Yes some thieves reset over and over and over again but one has to wonder what build are people using to fight thieves.

SA on a PD dire thief seems rediculous but the problem is actually dire/condi. SA DP is easily predictable and if you are losing to that this late in the game it’s because you got out played

I play a lot of different builds on my thief. Some use SA some do not.

I will tell you if I’m facing a condi build I have to run SA. This is especially true against the hybrid builds as well.

I would be all for competent condi removal in the other lines though.

This is a lie , any condi spike build is easy to avoid except for engis passive burning. A P/D thief without SA would also be easy kill.

Just because you can’t play without SA, doesn’t mean we all have that player skill issue.

I play with SA and without SA using various weaponsets.

That being said vs condi I use SA

You do know that this would destroy any chance for thieves against condi.

Yes some thieves reset over and over and over again but one has to wonder what build are people using to fight thieves.

SA on a PD dire thief seems rediculous but the problem is actually dire/condi. SA DP is easily predictable and if you are losing to that this late in the game it’s because you got out played

D/P trickery is stronger 1v1 than SA

Still need full translation to be scored on 1-10 scale

ps. That’s the new thing of the thread….score the QQ

Must post translations with non English chatter

kthx

hihey.1075:

Lol no, the only thief build that comes close to how easy engi is to play is PD dire Perplexity.

P/D perplexity dire thief needs a gutting of effectiveness.

Here’s a hint OP:

The player who watched you die wished he could kill you too.

I wish Anet gave 1 day a month of pure free for all pvp in WvW

Sandrox.9524:

That is why p/d preplex dire thieves should get banned from the game.

They should just revert the d/p and s/d nerfs.

GOSU.9574:

Renegade.6240:

Edit : Any class suggestions ?

Warrior if you like damage and sustainability. Engineer if you want something completely different.

I suck so bad on my Thief in WvW, have had her for over 2 years but I get kitten d by just about anyone if I play any burst build and if I play p/d condi every time I get blinded or dodged when using dagger 5 I just get pwned.

So my personal favorite in WvW is engi. Running a kit build in WvW has a high skill cap when roaming. More of a muscle memory cap.

[edit to add] Ranger if you just want to roflface burst with longbow.

So for two years you can’t play a thief but you can succeed on a “high skill cap” engineer…

D/P is much different than D/D

Played right you’ll realize back stab isn’t your main source of damage

Arikyali.5804:

I got one. Someone once complained thieves were crazy OP since we had Shadow Arts – and that trait line made it easy gamemode.

…So I dueled him without any points in SA, and won. He then decided thieves were OP anyways, with or without stealth mechanics.

I got accused of stealth spamming fighting a ranger+engi using s/d

There are ways to prolong the experience.

1. Join their party on an alt

2. Use the piggy back method. Have a friend from their server join their party and invite you or if they solo join friend then invite target. I’ve actually used this method to join a zerg guild on an opposing server….needless to say guild chat was hilarious

3. 3rd party method is to have everyone on your server whisper the target asking if they need a tamponin (kudos if you get reference). Also having friend mail sugar cookies as a peace offering works as well to.

Just gotta think outside the box

Think outside the box

Geiir.7603:

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Aereniel.7356:

Sizer’s superior keybinds, how could they lose?

So does it make me moar pr0 b/c I use a naga and don’t rely on nub keyboard binds?

I went from custom keybinds to naga and my game was completely changed! Best investment in my gaming years so far!

You can also get a razer tartarus gaming pad

Aereniel.7356:

Sizer’s superior keybinds, how could they lose?

So does it make me moar pr0 b/c I use a naga and don’t rely on nub keyboard binds?

The Game Slayer.7632:

This just actually happened today. It tickled my heart to see how angry this guy was!

I’m jealous of you for getting that QQ. I woulda had sooooo much fun with that fella

Someone just nailed it

RyuDragnier.9476:

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RyuDragnier.9476:

Rentapest.6503:

This ability needs a cooldown on it. I’m sick of being hit repeatedly with 7-9k backstabs and being downed before you can even react. It’s rediculous!

I’m running full PTV (Soldier) gear on my Ranger, and am still falling victim to backstab spam. This ability simply needs a 20sec cooldown or so.

This should also be applied to other Thief “stealth burst” skills. Surprise Shot, Tactical Strike, Backstab, Sneak Attack.

To be perfectly honest, the only time the stealth attacks are a problem is when you’re fighting a D/P thief (stealth accessibility is too kitten high on that set with no counters)…if you’re not fighting a thief using that set, it’s usually a L2P problem.

There is nothing wrong with D/P in any shape or form. If you are still having problems vs D/P thieves its a simple l2p issue.

Not moreso than you dealing with LB Rangers with RF (at least 5 different types of counters for that skill which deal with it). And I thought you said you don’t play thief too much?

I said nothing about rangers. Why you bring up RF?

Because you said RF was OP in another thread…because it was, “too much too fast”. Backstab is just as fast, as is the going into stealth with D/P, yet you’re saying those are fine.

We’re all failing to see how that is relevant in this discussion

Jayden Ennok.3687:

Just after I killed 2 mesmers trying to take Klovan and was waiting for one of them to respawn. He tried to party up but I didn’t accept so he took the time to whisper me.

lulz on using my line

RyuDragnier.9476:

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RyuDragnier.9476:

Rentapest.6503:

This ability needs a cooldown on it. I’m sick of being hit repeatedly with 7-9k backstabs and being downed before you can even react. It’s rediculous!

I’m running full PTV (Soldier) gear on my Ranger, and am still falling victim to backstab spam. This ability simply needs a 20sec cooldown or so.

This should also be applied to other Thief “stealth burst” skills. Surprise Shot, Tactical Strike, Backstab, Sneak Attack.

To be perfectly honest, the only time the stealth attacks are a problem is when you’re fighting a D/P thief (stealth accessibility is too kitten high on that set with no counters)…if you’re not fighting a thief using that set, it’s usually a L2P problem.

There is nothing wrong with D/P in any shape or form. If you are still having problems vs D/P thieves its a simple l2p issue.

Not moreso than you dealing with LB Rangers with RF (at least 5 different types of counters for that skill which deal with it). And I thought you said you don’t play thief too much?

I said nothing about rangers. Why you bring up RF?

RyuDragnier.9476:

Rentapest.6503:

This ability needs a cooldown on it. I’m sick of being hit repeatedly with 7-9k backstabs and being downed before you can even react. It’s rediculous!

I’m running full PTV (Soldier) gear on my Ranger, and am still falling victim to backstab spam. This ability simply needs a 20sec cooldown or so.

This should also be applied to other Thief “stealth burst” skills. Surprise Shot, Tactical Strike, Backstab, Sneak Attack.

To be perfectly honest, the only time the stealth attacks are a problem is when you’re fighting a D/P thief (stealth accessibility is too kitten high on that set with no counters)…if you’re not fighting a thief using that set, it’s usually a L2P problem.

There is nothing wrong with D/P in any shape or form. If you are still having problems vs D/P thieves its a simple l2p issue.

Because it is at a level if you lose 1v1 to a thief you keep your kittening mouth shut b/c everyone is going to laugh at you

Bloonis.9528:

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Bloonis.9528:

Thieves think so much of themselves that the “QQ” that is received as a thief is nothing compared to the one received when a thief is killed by another profession laughs out loud

Having said this, I sympathise for all thieves. Your constant struggling and button smashing between neverending evades, teleports, invisibilities, 10K+ single skill spikes, etc. must be so tiring and brain consuming. I cannot even begin to imagine what you people go through each day to bring home those precious rank points. Therefore, I plead to the anet designer team. PLEASE BUFF the thief class. Relieve them of the constant daily stress and make their online life better. This way, no other profession will be able to kill a thief ever, not even by luck, and the worst part of the “QQ” will stop.

Congratulations on being the 1st QQ post in this thread.

I’m happy you are in touch with reality and realize that when a thief kills you its due to your own inability to play

The 1st “QQ” in this thread? Do you perceive my desire to buff your profession and make it stronger as “QQ”? If yes, then you are definitely confused. I advise you to seek help. For your own well being of course. Or not. Whatever helps you struggle through the day.

As for your second point, you are so right! I am totally unable to play! But when was my post about what I can play or not? Again, confused and totally missing the point. But I forgive you. Kids are like that nowadays. No harm done.

While your false concern for my class is refreshing I do have admit to laughing at the reality of a RPer fail troll bombing my thread.

Thank You for the amusement and 1st QQ post of thread

There is no false concern, trolling or whatever you want to call it, I can assure you. I really want to see the thief class buffed. But I already explained that and you fail to understand it obviously. I don’t like repeating myself, and I won’t.

And again, you don’t answer any of my questions. I know why. You don’t have anything important to say. That’s okay.

Trying too hard mate.

Back off a lil and let it come to you.

You got me

Yes now let’s get back on topic.

Killed a med guard who then raged about taking it easy b/c he mains thief. Refused to bring said thief to fight….

Bloonis.9528:

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Bloonis.9528:

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Bloonis.9528:

Thieves think so much of themselves that the “QQ” that is received as a thief is nothing compared to the one received when a thief is killed by another profession laughs out loud

Having said this, I sympathise for all thieves. Your constant struggling and button smashing between neverending evades, teleports, invisibilities, 10K+ single skill spikes, etc. must be so tiring and brain consuming. I cannot even begin to imagine what you people go through each day to bring home those precious rank points. Therefore, I plead to the anet designer team. PLEASE BUFF the thief class. Relieve them of the constant daily stress and make their online life better. This way, no other profession will be able to kill a thief ever, not even by luck, and the worst part of the “QQ” will stop.

Congratulations on being the 1st QQ post in this thread.

I’m happy you are in touch with reality and realize that when a thief kills you its due to your own inability to play

The 1st “QQ” in this thread? Do you perceive my desire to buff your profession and make it stronger as “QQ”? If yes, then you are definitely confused. I advise you to seek help. For your own well being of course. Or not. Whatever helps you struggle through the day.

As for your second point, you are so right! I am totally unable to play! But when was my post about what I can play or not? Again, confused and totally missing the point. But I forgive you. Kids are like that nowadays. No harm done.

While your false concern for my class is refreshing I do have admit to laughing at the reality of a RPer fail troll bombing my thread.

Thank You for the amusement and 1st QQ post of thread

There is no false concern, trolling or whatever you want to call it, I can assure you. I really want to see the thief class buffed. But I already explained that and you fail to understand it obviously. I don’t like repeating myself, and I won’t.

And again, you don’t answer any of my questions. I know why. You don’t have anything important to say. That’s okay.

Trying too hard mate.

Back off a lil and let it come to you.

Lachanche.6859:

Gank someone 2v1 then type “rekt” and /dance over his corpse.
He will most likely come back to 1v1 you and get 2v1’d again effectively lowering the chances of his team to win the game.

This is one thing but ganging up on 1 mesmer from your own team because he dies often is simply rude, you were just bullying him.

It’s in voice chat and cannot be regulated. Unless anet is trying to go big brother they can only police what is typed

Zaxares.5419:

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Sorry but trash talking is a part of every competitive sport.

Really? I’ve yet to see Roger Federer slagging off Rafael Nadal in the middle of a tennis match. Or Tiger Woods calling James McElroy’s mom a “kitten” during a tee-off. Even for direct competitive sports like boxing or MMA, there’s still a certain respect and decorum that exists, and should exist, between the contenders.

As I’ve said elsewhere, maybe games like League of Legends or Call of Duty may have players insulting the skritt out of each other during the match, but I personally approve of ANet trying to cultivate a better class of player for their PvP scene.

Wow you went with golf and tennis…how about football? In hockey they actually get into fist fights OMG mind blown!!!

Here’s a question for ya. Is Tiger Woods an upstanding citizen?

No.

Trash talking is a part of any REAL sport. Look at Charles Barkley and what he did through his career. Harassment is one thing but typical jawing back and forth is fine.

So I respectively wish to have my game remain a real game.

Thank you

This isn’t warrior vs ranger discussion time

Simply RF in its current state needs to go.

Ranger Defense Team has been busy!

1st my thief has maybe 200 hrs on him. Hardly what I’d call a main Y ’ know

2nd rangers need to lose 1-1.5 of the attributes I list. IMHO we should revert the speed of it. Honestly it’s open for discussion though

3rd random vomiting of untrue things about myself to cover your individual subpar skill level needs to stop. If you want easy mode kills then let’s find you a new game. Real players want challenging fights that are balanced/free of cheese.

There so hop on board the balance train and let’s give these dev’s some ideas!!

Josh Davis.6015:

I listened to the entire VoD, I think this might be an opportune moment to mention that I will be enforcing the Guild Wars 2 Code of Conduct for the World Tournament Series at my own discretion, including punishments that can result in a player or entire team being ineligible to participate in a single or multiple World Tournament Series Events.

If you know who I am or how I’ve gotten to where I am today, you’ll know that I’m very passionate about Guild Wars 2 PvP, and I’m excited to finally be in a position to help drive a project like the World Tournament Series forward. Having been on both sides of the player/dev fence, I know that what we’re trying to do with the WTS is going to be a communal effort – meaning I’ll need your help just as much as you’ll need mine.

The first part of moving this project forward is to start treating your fellow teammates, competitors, and players with the respect they deserve. The World Tournament Series and all the associated events should be an exercise in community building and education, with new and veteran players alike getting interested, whether they’re participating or not. Players in the WTS effectively represent Guild Wars 2 as a whole, and toxicity will not be allowed to be a part of that.

So please, take this as a friendly reminder – you should always treat your fellow players in a decent manner, and in accordance with the Guild Wars 2 User Agreement and Code of Conduct. If you’re planning on playing competitively in the WTS, community events, or otherwise, you will be under additional scrutiny.

We will be releasing legal documentation on the World Tournament Series in the coming weeks, but if you have any questions in the meantime, feel free to contact me or create a thread on these forums.

Thanks!

So you are going to ban a player/team from competing b/c they talk trash?

You can’t police chat between team members in the voice coms. So this must be typed text between the 2 teams.

Sorry but trash talking is a part of every competitive sport.

Getting into the other teams head is a viable and legit tactic that has been used for ages.

So i have to say I respectfully disagree and personally think you are making a terrible mistake.

Bloonis.9528:

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Bloonis.9528:

Thieves think so much of themselves that the “QQ” that is received as a thief is nothing compared to the one received when a thief is killed by another profession laughs out loud

Having said this, I sympathise for all thieves. Your constant struggling and button smashing between neverending evades, teleports, invisibilities, 10K+ single skill spikes, etc. must be so tiring and brain consuming. I cannot even begin to imagine what you people go through each day to bring home those precious rank points. Therefore, I plead to the anet designer team. PLEASE BUFF the thief class. Relieve them of the constant daily stress and make their online life better. This way, no other profession will be able to kill a thief ever, not even by luck, and the worst part of the “QQ” will stop.

Congratulations on being the 1st QQ post in this thread.

I’m happy you are in touch with reality and realize that when a thief kills you its due to your own inability to play

The 1st “QQ” in this thread? Do you perceive my desire to buff your profession and make it stronger as “QQ”? If yes, then you are definitely confused. I advise you to seek help. For your own well being of course. Or not. Whatever helps you struggle through the day.

As for your second point, you are so right! I am totally unable to play! But when was my post about what I can play or not? Again, confused and totally missing the point. But I forgive you. Kids are like that nowadays. No harm done.

While your false concern for my class is refreshing I do have admit to laughing at the reality of a RPer fail troll bombing my thread.

Thank You for the amusement and 1st QQ post of thread

OP please keep us updated on your journey with your new thief.

Bloonis.9528:

Thieves think so much of themselves that the “QQ” that is received as a thief is nothing compared to the one received when a thief is killed by another profession laughs out loud

Having said this, I sympathise for all thieves. Your constant struggling and button smashing between neverending evades, teleports, invisibilities, 10K+ single skill spikes, etc. must be so tiring and brain consuming. I cannot even begin to imagine what you people go through each day to bring home those precious rank points. Therefore, I plead to the anet designer team. PLEASE BUFF the thief class. Relieve them of the constant daily stress and make their online life better. This way, no other profession will be able to kill a thief ever, not even by luck, and the worst part of the “QQ” will stop.

Congratulations on being the 1st QQ post in this thread.

I’m happy you are in touch with reality and realize that when a thief kills you its due to your own inability to play

Amonatory.2453:

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Amonatory.2453:

I think the s/d nerf is idiotic, yet id rather play it than d/p so…. yolo?

Uhh why?

2 6 0 0 6 D/P has always been harder to play than S/D 2 0 6 0 6, 2 0 0 6 6, or 2 0 2 4 6

Or are you talking about the X 6 6 X X D/P thieves in WvW? If you are then in a thief fight any trickery build far out classes it when fighting regardless of weapons.

Simple. D/P is the most boring set for me to play, I dont enjoy it so im not going to play it. It doesnt matter what build they are using, the weapon set in general to me is just boring.

I play D/P, S/D, and Power P/D. Of them P/D is the most boring followed by S/D.

Raven.9603:

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That much damage at that speed and at that range is broken.

No one has a problem with rangers doing 13k damage in 1-2 seconds, but doing that much damage from 1.5k plus range is bad for the game.

I’m amused by the rangers who are defending this tooth and nail though. I’ll be even more amused when the “adjustment” comes

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Some videos showcasing the problem.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cnzC3FnWXIo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kc6LZTwamPI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tD1BZlyE_s8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zofVCaXErQo

lol, just watched all the videos youre citing…

1st video:
some full glass ranger blowing all 3 utility cds every single clip just to kill:
a zerk warrior, zerk eles, and uplevel rangers. i hope you realize that many of those fights were sped up and all of those fights were glass against glass which is always ridiculous (the only exception being the engineer, who struggled because he relied on bombkit, but ultimately wouldve won if not for the ranger getting rescued).

2nd video:
same, but he begins to incorperate fury

3rd video:
same, but with signet and pet might stacking.

4th:
same, but now with more help from allies.

tl;dr: videos of cherry picked fights where glass players get the jump on other glass players and blow them up are not representative of anything except those cherry picked situations. had the roles been reversed, and any of the players gotten the jump on him, he wouldve died (exceptions made for the murdered uplevels and the thief with no stability who attacked him on a cliff edge).

Yet you’ve missed the point entirely.

That damage at that range and that fast is the problem….we’re not even delving into the ease at which this is done.

So reward those videos with that in mind (also lulz to the sped up fights comments) then come back

Raven.9603:

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That much damage at that speed and at that range is broken.

No one has a problem with rangers doing 13k damage in 1-2 seconds, but doing that much damage from 1.5k plus range is bad for the game.

I’m amused by the rangers who are defending this tooth and nail though. I’ll be even more amused when the “adjustment” comes

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Some videos showcasing the problem.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cnzC3FnWXIo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kc6LZTwamPI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tD1BZlyE_s8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zofVCaXErQo

lol, just watched all the videos youre citing…

1st video:
some full glass ranger blowing all 3 utility cds every single clip just to kill:
a zerk warrior, zerk eles, and uplevel rangers. i hope you realize that many of those fights were sped up and all of those fights were glass against glass which is always ridiculous (the only exception being the engineer, who struggled because he relied on bombkit, but ultimately wouldve won if not for the ranger getting rescued).

2nd video:
same, but he begins to incorperate fury

3rd video:
same, but with signet and pet might stacking.

4th:
same, but now with more help from allies.

tl;dr: videos of cherry picked fights where glass players get the jump on other glass players and blow them up are not representative of anything except those cherry picked situations. had the roles been reversed, and any of the players gotten the jump on him, he wouldve died (exceptions made for the murdered uplevels and the thief with no stability who attacked him on a cliff edge).

Yet you’ve missed the point entirely.

That damage at that range and that fast is the problem….we’re not even delving into the ease at which this is done.

So reward those videos with that in mind (also lulz to the sped up fights comments) then come back

Chokolata.1870:

First off, who are you to say that its bad for the game. The reason they buffed the longbow was to make ranged combat viable, which was non existent for the last 2 years. To top it all off its sounds as if there is absolutely nothing you can do against a LB ranger, which could not be further from the truth.

They are not OP in PvP.
anet nerfs based just not on tPvP

They are not OP in organized zerg WvW warfare.
this is where LB rangers shine

They are not even the highest DPS in PvE.
they don’t nerf based on pve only

And finally, they only mater in small scale roaming.
no

LB Ranger is one of the easier specs to overcome because it has a clear weakness. And the builds role is to snipe people who build berserker on light/medium classes and are distracted by something else.
obviously you didn’t watch videos…he blew up warriors/guardians

Serraphin Storm.2369:

These video don’t really prove anything. Ranger have always been able to do that. Its just a tad faster now. This just prove a ranger can gank as well as a thief.

actually they do a great job at highlighting the damage/speed/range issue with RF. Also your tad faster is a that ranger stomping before the haste wears off…

You can’t balance a game around bad players. What was broken was the dodge key on just about everyone of them. This is a compilation video highlight his easiest kills.

actually they have repeatedly done exactly this

What about a hard battle won. There is a place for video like this but in a discussion about whether this skill or skills are op is not one of them.

this is the perfect place because it show cases the issues with it

All of his kills were not long range kill.

thank you for proving my point that LB rangers never needed this

Range damage has more counters than melee, yet not a single one was used.
Using footage like this as proof for why it should be nerf, just shows how unskilled the players are that are pushing for the nerf.

you didn’t watch all 4 huh?

Those of you complaining simply need to step your game up or present a ranger laying waste to a decent group of players.

so because you can’t kill 5 great players at once RF is balanced?? Great logic mate

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As a theif main, I am actually enjoying the new rapid fire change. One good dodge and I negate like 80% of their burst, than gap close and melt em. Were it used to be I had to double dodge to negate 70% of it, leaving me open for a follow up knock back.

You play a P/D condi thief……

Yeah we’re just gonna let you ride off into the sunset after this one fella.

lol constructive much , Nit picking much , much win Fail comment.
do us a favour and stop whining for a while.

I can appreciate self preservation mode that you are sporting.

That being said obviously the concept of balance risk vs reward are foreign to you. So I will spell it out:

As it currently stands now LB ranger is easier to play than ANY warrior build pre-nerfs.

We are talking about vacations here mate

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Dear thieves, i take my words back… I represent you a necro using nightmare runes QQ (q’d into him 3 times in a row in yoloq, he kept trying to take our points or kill me while i was trebbing). I am honestly rather confused what he expected me to do. Stand afk? Ignore him while he was capping our points? Let him kill me?

If i don’t do my job as a thief, my team would yell at me. If i do my job as a thief, my enemy yells at me ._.

Why would you black out his name???

Let us ALL whisper l2p as a community to this helpless QQ’r

Good Lord my class is looking like a must now

names and shaming…. can’t post names on forums

Take the hit for the community….i would

i fear i will be silenced forever if i take any more hits for thief/pvp community~

They fall off eventually how long was your last ban for?

Once you start getting over 10 days you might wanna start worrying.

So take the hit