ah yes those easy to pick up unkillable zerker rangers running so glassy with no condi remove who get farmed by ps d/p thieves day and night and by anything remotely awake
yep we need more of them around
Heh I’m FAR from unkillable mate. I’m just saying normally when starting a new class I’m accustomed to a steeper learning curve..
As for D/P thieves..it really depends on player/situation.
I’ve straight owned some and lost some.
…Shout bow warrior takes more skill than ranger…..
Oh, I get it now. It’s a troll thread?
I never said shout bows we’re the epitome of skill cause they aren’t but they require more than a zerker ranger.
I’m sorry but the truth hurts
Due to anets complete disdain for the game mode. Their whole botching of the GvG scene was/is the greatest folly in the history of gw2.
WvW had the potential to be the best MMO PvP out but they blew it.
Apparently, since you seem to know nothing about PvP. Why did you post here again?
Because I rolled a glass ranger and had instant success w/out knowing wtf I was doing.
You not liking what I said isn’t a reason to say I don’t know anything about PvP. Lots of us have more than 1 account. ^^
ps Shout bow warrior takes more skill than ranger…..
Just FYI the game pairs you with people who have no idea what the kitten they’re doing. You’re playing a level 2 ranger against people who have never played PvP before.
Edit: That is assuming you have no PvP rank, I guess you could have 1400 games but it seems like you have about 20.
So ugh the dragon rank finisher I watched was a figment of my imagination
I’ll go out on a limb here and say what most feeling after reading this
Play a power thief and actually learn the class. P/D is OP and lame. Yes even as hybrid because the condi application is OP.
Now if you dead set on not heeding my advice than cut that condi damage down and get closer to 2k power.
All I can say is WOW how easy this class is to play.
I can see some issues with pets like being clunky and messy but I was able to do very well.
Ran 66200 zerker in PvP since he’s only lvl 2. I may have to fully lvl and kitten WvW.
I’ll keep y’all updated.
double thieves does suck but normally if there are two i adjust my build to 1vX far all game long
Certain builds are used more in WvW than sPvP due to different stat caps and style of game of each game mode.
It’s what i’ve seen from many PvP only players when facing good WvW thieves for the 1st time. Inexperience vs certain SA builds that thieves employ in WvW.
For instance in PvP you don’t face thieves who are equipped to counter condi AND do big damage. In WvW this is not true. Certain builds can do this and in the right hands completely demolish someone of lesser skill.
I’m not saying you are bad but these players are completely and utterly outplaying you. It’s just in WvW thieves have the tools and freedom to build accordingly.
I hope that helps you.
Thief can literally 1v1 anything if you don’t need to capture an objective
you can literally reset any fight after you make mistake and try again until you kill the enemy foe
the panic strike build is the most forgiving one, i’ve seen someone reset all their CDs 3 times in a role, it’s literally god mode.
The ignorance is strong in this one.
Guardians in general are a hard counter to Thief. Of course some builds are more beat than others but it takes a pretty substantial Thief to down a Mediguard who knows their rotations.
Guardian’s a hard-counter to thief in “restricted area” like pvp conquest. In wvw roaming there’s no-way a Guardian able to catch a thief due to Guardian’s lack of snaring and weak range option.
Yet the thief will never kill said Guardian and can be bursted down with ease by said guardian.
Yeah thief can get away but in no way will they kill em
I haven’t bought anything but applied str/fortitude.
You remove them and I prolly wont even spend 1 point.
Find a mentor and have him kick your kitten repeatedly.
Also learn how to drop your burst combos from a minimum of 2k units away.
Then start diving into zeros doing it and try to get out
Those 2 will start you training your timing and speed on keys.
To get your reflexes faster is simple. Pan your camera and identify bursts before they happen. Let it come and counter it.
Eventually you’ll get good enough to avoid random adding back stabs.
You can play a ranger? I’m talking in WvW. Rangers currently are VERY tanky, long range, safe thieves. There is no risk in playing them. They have just as much burst and can easily beat a power build thief in second.
I find myself roaming on my D/D powerbuild thief and often coming across a ranger. Basilisk venom, backstab and nuke down to 20% health or so, only to be pushed away by their longbow and rapid fired to death. 20k damage from one skill that cant miss?
My proposed change is to actually make a change to thieves. Make it so when you stealth, targeted skills on you STOP hitting. Currently if they cast their rapid fire on you and you stealth, every shot of it will still hit you. WHY?!
Please do something, make thieves more useful then sharing venoms.
Lol, rangers are a joke. Especially power rangers. As a thief they’re the ones I pick off first. Predictable, easily evaded pewpew bursts with little follow through and nothing but squish behind it. Only ever a challenge when you run into a zerker pack of them that know how to coordinate bursts to outlast your endurance, at which point it turns into a channeled sniper cheesefest (I’m talking about a group of rangers vs a single thief — assuming equivalent skill level, in equal or close-to-equal numbers rangers lose almost every time against thieves). Especially considering most rangers seem utterly clueless at using their pets. At least the SB condi/condi-trap rangers put up a bit of a fight, though.
Thief > ranger any day of the week.
Oh, and venom share is overrated. Yes, I WENT THERE.
You’re not a thief though…..
People not realizing that the stealth on steal trait will be used a lot after hot are funny.
This needs to be a priority fix ladies
never once in all my roaming have i been jumped by thieves that i did not see on my screen. are you telling me that you roam blind and deaf, so you cant see them pop shadow refuge or hear them blast the smoke field? sorry but just no. unless you are day dreaming and did not see any red names in the far distance then there is no reason for thieves to randomly pop stealth unless they see an enemy too which in that case you see them too – then they will stealth up, you should respond to that, not blindly carry on foreword or what ever you do.
Which tier are you on?
Also I think you’re outright lying/exaggerating, or not roam enough to claim you never get jumped by thieves before. I even roll my screen to the farthest all the time, and still occasionally get jumped by thief/thieves from behind because they can gap close you out from screen on your left, right and backs side of screen within 0.5 second.Where did he say he has never been jumped by thieves before? I mean you quoted his post and still went and disingenuously put words in his mouth he did not say.
“never once in all my roaming have i been jumped by thieves that i did not see on my screen. are you telling me that you roam blind and deaf, so you cant see them pop shadow refuge or hear them blast the smoke field?”
Learn to Read?Are you suggesting I cannot read, because I didn’t chose to ignore the same qualifiers you ignored? That doesn’t strike me as very logical, but to each their own I guess.
Not only can I read, I can speak braille in 7 different languages.
He specifically stated that
" never once in all my roaming have i been jumped by thieves that i did not see on my screen. "Are you claiming thieves cannot be seen on screens now?
Aware players will generally see them coming. Stealth has a duration limit. If you not aware of your surrounding, that does not mean you can assume everyone else is not as well. Once they hit you once, they lose stealth. At that point all stealth did was gem them the opening attack. Aware players with then counter in some way, At one of those two points in the encounter, you will have seen the thief. Other wise their is a problem, such as having out dated PC equipment that misses graphics it should have displayed, poor game play on your part, a simple lack of awareness, or a failure to react.
Then you simply don’t understand what “jumped by thieves” means.
It means you’re caught off-guard, unaware of he’s coming.
He simply claimed he never got caught off-guard by thieves a single time, always see them coming in any situation because those thieves always leave a smoke field for him to see.
Like I said, good D/P thieves always pre-stack stealth before he moves to anywhere.
They can stack up to 15+ seconds, and keep on stacking up stealth if they want to. Good ones will start leaping through smoke field from afar before any engagement.
Too bad many veteran thieves in WvW are long gone. Most now don’t even know how to leap through smoke field with the short version of heart-seeker, and only start stealthing when in like 1500 range. At that point foes are totally aware of thieve’s incoming spike. But for dire perplex thieves, it really doesn’t matter when they stealth though because they’ll eventually win. Even if they can’t win, there’s not many things you can do to stop him from escaping. Despite all the advantages, bad thieves still QQ like no tomorrow when someone outplays him, and always demand a nerf when they’re fighting you with the most broken mechanic in WvW. Sad really.
Again your ignorance shines through. You really have no idea what you are talking about.
Losing to a power thief 1v1 on a ranger is lack of skill on the rangers part.
Funny thread.
1. OP has to learn to dodge.
2. The ranger defense brigade needs to stop defending the most brain dead low risk high reward class in the game.
3. D/D thief takes infinitely more skill to pull off that a LB ranger.Either way it’s good to see the posters who rage about thieves scrambling to defend their class lol
If only there’s no wall for D/D to infinitely stack up stealth when near a keep…
This should be fixed already…Oh, btw, if ranger is so low risk high reward, they should be in the tournaments and WvW already lol… But guess which classes are the most plenty?
Thieves. Engineers. Warriors. Elementalists. Guardians.And for WvW roaming, thieves number are like 5 times more than other classes. Pretty obvious that which class is the most low risk high reward in WvW lol.. Yet you and that Archon guy is defending the most broken class and crying about ranger because that “Sick-em” and “Rapid Fire”may screw you low risks folks up many times.
Your ignorance on thieves becomes more apparent with each post you make on said subject.
1. Thieves can’t stack stealth on a wall. Used to be but that was removed.
2. You like to cherry pick between WvW and PvP on your rants. There are tons of rangers in PvP. There are zero thief teams out there as well. Funny though is your main problem with thief is in WvW. Stick to 1 aspect b/c in PvP thieves are FAR from OP.
3. Provide hard data or stop guesstimating.
Here’s a lil fun test for anyone to try. Log onto WvW and stand out in the middle of EBG. Don’t attack anyone, /wave a lot, invite/join enemy parties to chat, and take note which people attack you.
It’ll always be a ranger, and if its not a ranger its a ranger playing his alt.
truth
I’ll take my 3 seconds of protection on reveal now plz
Welcome to the world of stealth nerfs.
It was not unintentional yet they f’d up in the implementation.
<edit>Did some testing and you get revealed after coming out of stealth. I also notice you can no longer stack stealth. BP with 4 HS nets you 7 less seconds of stealth.
Anet please take this advice. When stealth nerfing you need to make MINOR nerfs that aren’t noticeable until you’ve made 3-4 of em.
(edited by T raw.4658)
SB camp….meh
The S/D play was nice to watch tho
Funny thread.
1. OP has to learn to dodge.
2. The ranger defense brigade needs to stop defending the most brain dead low risk high reward class in the game.
3. D/D thief takes infinitely more skill to pull off that a LB ranger.
Either way it’s good to see the posters who rage about thieves scrambling to defend their class lol
I beat a respected ele running diamond skin 6/10 times on my rabid condi thief running perplexity runes… maybe I’m just too strong.
Once below that 90% it’s easy
My unbiased opinion:
I main a guard, and stealth always irritated me. Whenever a thief would stealth and run, I’d call cheese. How irritating, right?
Two days ago I made a thief, and I’ve already realized how essential stealth is. Thieves are trading a lot to have the ability to stealth: they are a melee class with low health, low armor, and abysmal condi clear. Whereas rangers and guardians can go invincible for a few seconds to take the pressure off, thieves have stealth (but can die quite easily in stealth). Most of their weapon sets are useless in the current meta, so evades cant make up for it (I’m looking at sw/d).
If they are running from you and are about to die, either: (1) you outnumber them, in which case, who wouldn’t run?; and (2) they can’t kill you in a 1v1, but then why should you be able to kill a thief 100%? Shouldn’t it be 50% in a balanced game? They are a zerker class, after all. Running=draw=balanced.
Add to that: no thieves use speed/traveler runes, which means if they want to keep up their famous mobility in or out of stealth, they need to be spending initiative, dodges, or utility cooldowns. Those all need to be balanced to maintain mobility but also be ready for a fight.
So coming from an entirely different class and just playing thief for 2 days, I have to say: stop complaining about stealth. It’s not cheese.
I LOVE finding new thief players. Nothing makes me more giddy then finding a player who just started on their thief thinking they are going to PWNNOOBSOMGBBQSAUCE
After a good beating i tend to then teach them how to play thief, and they all say the exact same thing:
“This is so hard”
The problem I have with this trap isn’t the trap per say but the fact anet is balancing based on whiny WvW players.
They are phasing out the Thief’s ability to roam in WvW but failing to give them the tools needed to do the other phases of the game.
I’m all for counterplay but at some point in time you need to give to the class you are indirectly nerfing.
S/D vs D/P 1v1 advantage goes to S/D.
Group play where all you are doing is spiking targets <50% health D/P is better.
The reason you are seeing more D/P in the meta is honestly IMHO the condi clear.
I think the reason is more about the Blind. Stomping is one of the most important thing in group fight in PvP and the Skill 5 is really good for that. The capability of D/P to finish off low health foe is also a big plus. It just work best in the current meta.
The only time a thief is stomping is 1v1.
In that case it doesn’t matter.
If you think laying a Blind Powder for a teammate is the reason then you need to realize 1 pulse every 2 seconds doesn’t ensure a stomp anymore.
Since it’s PvP you are talking about than the problem is PvP builds aren’t made to catch em.
So just cap the point and enjoy the win imho….but if you really must know it’s either over load with condi or save a CC+Burst
S/D vs D/P 1v1 advantage goes to S/D.
Group play where all you are doing is spiking targets <50% health D/P is better.
The reason you are seeing more D/P in the meta is honestly IMHO the condi clear.
They can leave it TBH.
Its just played by people levelling/karma training – people you dont want in a competitive wvw match anyway.
Problem is unless you are talking about a T1 server then those ppl can play WvW to Ktrain. This will get some of the lower tiers players to fill their otherwise empty maps.
The same number of WvW-teams for 1/10 of people (compared to 1st year) interested is the problem of WvW and that you can only resolve by reducing the number of teams and the manpower requirement of a matches. Trying to force (it will loose more people than it brings people to WvW) people to play something they aren’t interested can’t be the solution.
People will always take the easiest path to their goal. That doesn’t mean it’s correct in keeping that path open.
Get rid of EoTM and dump resources into WvW. All those K Train fans would be ecstatic
They would just go back to Silver Wastes for loot. No idea where they would go for leveling though, sure ain’t WvW.
If you are using the WvW system to get loot you’re doing it wrong….
They can leave it TBH.
Its just played by people levelling/karma training – people you dont want in a competitive wvw match anyway.
Problem is unless you are talking about a T1 server then those ppl can play WvW to Ktrain. This will get some of the lower tiers players to fill their otherwise empty maps.
The same number of WvW-teams for 1/10 of people (compared to 1st year) interested is the problem of WvW and that you can only resolve by reducing the number of teams and the manpower requirement of a matches. Trying to force (it will loose more people than it brings people to WvW) people to play something they aren’t interested can’t be the solution.
People will always take the easiest path to their goal. That doesn’t mean it’s correct in keeping that path open.
Get rid of EoTM and dump resources into WvW. All those K Train fans would be ecstatic
Condi is the most faceroll way to play this game as ANY class.
The video not only highlights how broken a thief with dire/perplexity but also how strong condi is overall.
They can leave it TBH.
Its just played by people levelling/karma training – people you dont want in a competitive wvw match anyway.
Problem is unless you are talking about a T1 server then those ppl can play WvW to Ktrain. This will get some of the lower tiers players to fill their otherwise empty maps.
I’ve Yolo queued on condi spec.
Very viable due to the nature of the game. I held far for the entire game with it. Granted this was a while ago and it wasn’t vs anyone organized
After HoT i would look into 6 X X 6 6. Get 2700 tough, 2300 power, 30% crit chance, around 16,000 hps, and as much ferocity as you can cram in there.
I’m still upset when I use scorpion wire my thief doesn’t shout “Get over here!”
Fix ASAP Anet!
In a legit 1v1 a mesmer has a very good chance to win. The age old thief counters mesmer comes from the thief focusing the mesmer in X v X battles. The current meta mesmer builds can’t deal with that.
Yet 1v1 it comes down to individual player skill more so than the mesmer community will let on.
Same thing with rangers as well. Rangers in today’s game should not be losing to thieves 1v1. When that happens it’s due to the ranger player being either extremely horrible or really stupid build.
This is wrong. Mesmer cannot win vs a decent thief unless on very specific points (mine on forerst). It does not matter if it is 1v1, XvX, whatever. This is mainly because the thief can go in and out and exhaust cooldowns like there’s no tomorrow. This is especilially true for SD thief. In terms of ranger vs thief, SD thif wins hands down, if there is any line of sight at all. Only d/p struggles vs ranger.
Concerning after the patch, sure mesmer is getting nice buffs, but i promise you, thieves will still own them. Actually, probably even harder than before due to the incredible thief buffs.
So your example is only on a point where there is LoS abuse…..
What happens if there is no LoS tactics available?
What happens with DP panic strike thieves?
Claiming thieves dominate 1 mesmer build with their one SD build isn’t a legit reason for people to call that match up a hard counter.
Well, for a long time, this is the most common thief build against the most common mesmer build. And power shatter is still the best mesmer PvP build
Mesmer sure has more chance 1v1 against a DP but statistically it is still to mesmer’s disadvantage. The DP has the initiative and it is up to the mesmer to guess. In addition to that, thief can most of the time reset the fight if it goes south.
Funny thing is PvP doesn’t utilize SA so in a duel double range shatter win percentage is closer to 50/50 then you’re willing to admit
You can still easily reset with a shadow refuge and it is next to impossible for mesmer to guess timing of the next action. Also There is no actual duel in PvP. The reality is if thief gets a good opening, the result is a dead mesmer. And if mesmer gets a good opening, thief easily escapes and will use his mobility for something else.
I think that is a hard enough counter.
So basically mesmer dies when not paying attention. When you do pay attention thief just runs away.
So pay attention and you’ll win the point.
Also SR does a pseudo reset yes but it’s not like mesmers GS doesn’t have a push or anything…..
In a legit 1v1 a mesmer has a very good chance to win. The age old thief counters mesmer comes from the thief focusing the mesmer in X v X battles. The current meta mesmer builds can’t deal with that.
Yet 1v1 it comes down to individual player skill more so than the mesmer community will let on.
Same thing with rangers as well. Rangers in today’s game should not be losing to thieves 1v1. When that happens it’s due to the ranger player being either extremely horrible or really stupid build.
This is wrong. Mesmer cannot win vs a decent thief unless on very specific points (mine on forerst). It does not matter if it is 1v1, XvX, whatever. This is mainly because the thief can go in and out and exhaust cooldowns like there’s no tomorrow. This is especilially true for SD thief. In terms of ranger vs thief, SD thif wins hands down, if there is any line of sight at all. Only d/p struggles vs ranger.
Concerning after the patch, sure mesmer is getting nice buffs, but i promise you, thieves will still own them. Actually, probably even harder than before due to the incredible thief buffs.
So your example is only on a point where there is LoS abuse…..
What happens if there is no LoS tactics available?
What happens with DP panic strike thieves?
Claiming thieves dominate 1 mesmer build with their one SD build isn’t a legit reason for people to call that match up a hard counter.
Well, for a long time, this is the most common thief build against the most common mesmer build. And power shatter is still the best mesmer PvP build
Mesmer sure has more chance 1v1 against a DP but statistically it is still to mesmer’s disadvantage. The DP has the initiative and it is up to the mesmer to guess. In addition to that, thief can most of the time reset the fight if it goes south.
Funny thing is PvP doesn’t utilize SA so in a duel double range shatter win percentage is closer to 50/50 then you’re willing to admit
This is why I’ll never respect any thief using condi
In a legit 1v1 a mesmer has a very good chance to win. The age old thief counters mesmer comes from the thief focusing the mesmer in X v X battles. The current meta mesmer builds can’t deal with that.
Yet 1v1 it comes down to individual player skill more so than the mesmer community will let on.
Same thing with rangers as well. Rangers in today’s game should not be losing to thieves 1v1. When that happens it’s due to the ranger player being either extremely horrible or really stupid build.
This is wrong. Mesmer cannot win vs a decent thief unless on very specific points (mine on forerst). It does not matter if it is 1v1, XvX, whatever. This is mainly because the thief can go in and out and exhaust cooldowns like there’s no tomorrow. This is especilially true for SD thief. In terms of ranger vs thief, SD thif wins hands down, if there is any line of sight at all. Only d/p struggles vs ranger.
Concerning after the patch, sure mesmer is getting nice buffs, but i promise you, thieves will still own them. Actually, probably even harder than before due to the incredible thief buffs.
So your example is only on a point where there is LoS abuse…..
What happens if there is no LoS tactics available?
What happens with DP panic strike thieves?
Claiming thieves dominate 1 mesmer build with their one SD build isn’t a legit reason for people to call that match up a hard counter.
Meh not a fan of S/P but def kudos for using it PvP since it’s nerfed there
WvW was even more PvD than EotM.
But I left EotM now as well, a permant 3:1 isn’t fun, neither on the 3 side nor on the 1 side.
It seems you need to come to terms with certain aspects of this game. The fact you think WvW is more of a K-Train than EoTM is just ignorant bias. There are ZERO people in WvW yelling at you for defending.
There also need to be a lot more ways to apply Revealed to enemies, because currently there are only two profession skills to do it.
I had a thief follow me as I trailed our zerg across half the map in EOTM. She kept trying to pick off the stragglers and, even with my Ranger Trapper build, I could not stop her. Super annoying and unbalanced. And thieves like this can take down your health to half in just a few hits.
I think I’ve identified the problem. Roll a thief and learn. Post a daily blog on you playing your thief.
In a legit 1v1 a mesmer has a very good chance to win. The age old thief counters mesmer comes from the thief focusing the mesmer in X v X battles. The current meta mesmer builds can’t deal with that.
Yet 1v1 it comes down to individual player skill more so than the mesmer community will let on.
Same thing with rangers as well. Rangers in today’s game should not be losing to thieves 1v1. When that happens it’s due to the ranger player being either extremely horrible or really stupid build.
Wait. Not even!
It’s the melee rangers that are the strongest spec for 1v1’ing:Man, and ANet’s giving buffs to both necros and rangers. We should go and raise awareness about how OP those classes are.
No, that’s just Charrmagedon/GW Fox.
He needs a nerf.
No dude, it clearly represents all ranger players. Here I will link some more videos to convenience you.
kitten rangers. So OP.
Man it’s just sickening to watch how ANet allowed such unfair, challenge-less, and OP things to go on in their game.
Guess you really never face a good condition thief in wvw before…
Oh wait, maybe you’re the one who’s playing it
Likewise, guess you never faced a good ranger/necro before.
Good Rangers died out when longbow got a stealth buff…… Pugs rolled rangers after that and were extremely bad so Anet buffed longbow again and changed the general use of ranger to be more “user friendly” ….
You can’t expect a 5 seconds channel that does less damage than auto attack, and lock you on using the skill, not recharging until that 5 seconds ends, can be canceled by roll through ranger, to have any practical use in PVP/ WVW do you?
The buff is legit, and ranger is still mediocre in high end pvp compare to thieves after the buff. (Just count how many power thieves in top 10 teams and how many “power ranger” in top 10 teams.) 99% people who complain about power rangers are usually those who seriously need to L2P.
You main a ranger and that explains everything.
I personally can’t wait until stronghold unleashes the Hordes of PD condi thieves unto the PvP world.
Maybe we can finally get the build neutered.
Pretty much. Although this is going to be more or less a game-wide issue; condis are getting buffed immensely across the board to the point where I think they might out-damage berserker in PvE come the changes.
I think what saddens me the most is that we’re still forced into SA for a condi cleanse with all of these buffs to extremely powerful conditions, and not to mention new conditions. Mass cleansing is going to be essential.
I can see non SA thieves being the norm in conquest but we still don’t know what the new line will bring.
Tho the resistance buff in Acro is very nice
then tell me which amazing berserk build other than medi guard is able to reliably kill a thief.
there are support builds on thief, wether they’re good or not is a different question.
not every class has a support build, or have you ever seen a support mesmer?the reason why thief is the strongest zerker is because of:
its active defence, be it stealth or evades
its ability to disengage and to reset a fight
the numerous gapclosers that make a thief unkiteable
the ability to interrupt through stabilityno other berserk build is able to do all these things at the same time. there is not a single reason to not take a thief with the current balance.
All classes can
No other class can.
that’s why there’s has been a thief in every team ( aside few months pre-trickery buff) since the start of the game.
Every class in this game has a zerker build that can kill a thief 1v1 reliably. If you can’t see this truth than there is nothing more to discuss due to your own unreasonable bias.
gimme zerk war build that can reliably kill a same skill level d/p thief 1v1….lmao
or even better…go zerk war and 1v1 vahn, i’ll lend you mlg arena for that…really wanna see this, and gonna record it ofc so be careful, youtube is waiting for it
GS/Rifle does very nicely vs d/p thieves.
Standard eviscerate builds can do well too.The goal is to have each fight rely on player skill not have hard counters which it seems most posters here want. For some reason because a thief is mobile they have to die in 1v1’s in a lot of people’s minds.
That being said I could roll a warrior and fight you. I could fight anyone, but it doesn’t prove much of anything me doing that.
Fine then. When? Gonna bring you a thief…vahn, renna or someone else and we’ll see…cause you know, i main war and i won’t go for 1v1 vs a top thief with some zerk crap, but i guess you can so let’s see..
mail me on first account Archaon.6245 when you’re up for it
You make the challenge you send the mail.
ok gonna mail you tonight then…eu right? since you’re nowhere to be seen on gw2 score
Nope NA.
I’ll make my warrior and level em some to get some what of a familiarity with em
problem is that i’m eu ofc….as you can see from my signature
So uh what you’re saying is its not happening now….
do you have eu account? since na pvp is basically dead many have eu account too..
Why would I get an EU account?? I could care less about competitively standing in little circles. TBH I play PvP when the mood suits me and quite frankly real conquest is played jumping outta planes no scoping kittenes
so you don’t care bout competitive pvp yet you come here discussing in pvp forum and talking about something you never played at a good level…
makes sense…
I never said I haven’t played it at a good level….just said I really don’t put much stock in it.
Absorb the entire statement before commenting mate.
I personally can’t wait until stronghold unleashes the Hordes of PD condi thieves unto the PvP world.
Maybe we can finally get the build neutered.
Apparently the effectiveness of ele conjures on stronghold npcs is behind the ice bow/LH nerfs.
I’ll say this, not in disrespect but keen observation, that these dev’s don’t know what’s really going on in the game. Watch the RU on thieves again but this time pay SPECIAL attention to the explanations on traits. See if you can identify how many traits they have no clue how they are currently working.
Literally they stated a trait changed but in reality it was the same….the entire rationalization on the CS line was absurd
then tell me which amazing berserk build other than medi guard is able to reliably kill a thief.
there are support builds on thief, wether they’re good or not is a different question.
not every class has a support build, or have you ever seen a support mesmer?the reason why thief is the strongest zerker is because of:
its active defence, be it stealth or evades
its ability to disengage and to reset a fight
the numerous gapclosers that make a thief unkiteable
the ability to interrupt through stabilityno other berserk build is able to do all these things at the same time. there is not a single reason to not take a thief with the current balance.
All classes can
No other class can.
that’s why there’s has been a thief in every team ( aside few months pre-trickery buff) since the start of the game.
Every class in this game has a zerker build that can kill a thief 1v1 reliably. If you can’t see this truth than there is nothing more to discuss due to your own unreasonable bias.
gimme zerk war build that can reliably kill a same skill level d/p thief 1v1….lmao
or even better…go zerk war and 1v1 vahn, i’ll lend you mlg arena for that…really wanna see this, and gonna record it ofc so be careful, youtube is waiting for it
GS/Rifle does very nicely vs d/p thieves.
Standard eviscerate builds can do well too.The goal is to have each fight rely on player skill not have hard counters which it seems most posters here want. For some reason because a thief is mobile they have to die in 1v1’s in a lot of people’s minds.
That being said I could roll a warrior and fight you. I could fight anyone, but it doesn’t prove much of anything me doing that.
Fine then. When? Gonna bring you a thief…vahn, renna or someone else and we’ll see…cause you know, i main war and i won’t go for 1v1 vs a top thief with some zerk crap, but i guess you can so let’s see..
mail me on first account Archaon.6245 when you’re up for it
You make the challenge you send the mail.
ok gonna mail you tonight then…eu right? since you’re nowhere to be seen on gw2 score
Nope NA.
I’ll make my warrior and level em some to get some what of a familiarity with em
problem is that i’m eu ofc….as you can see from my signature
So uh what you’re saying is its not happening now….
do you have eu account? since na pvp is basically dead many have eu account too..
Why would I get an EU account?? I could care less about competitively standing in little circles. TBH I play PvP when the mood suits me and quite frankly real conquest is played jumping outta planes no scoping kittenes
then tell me which amazing berserk build other than medi guard is able to reliably kill a thief.
there are support builds on thief, wether they’re good or not is a different question.
not every class has a support build, or have you ever seen a support mesmer?the reason why thief is the strongest zerker is because of:
its active defence, be it stealth or evades
its ability to disengage and to reset a fight
the numerous gapclosers that make a thief unkiteable
the ability to interrupt through stabilityno other berserk build is able to do all these things at the same time. there is not a single reason to not take a thief with the current balance.
All classes can
No other class can.
that’s why there’s has been a thief in every team ( aside few months pre-trickery buff) since the start of the game.
Every class in this game has a zerker build that can kill a thief 1v1 reliably. If you can’t see this truth than there is nothing more to discuss due to your own unreasonable bias.
gimme zerk war build that can reliably kill a same skill level d/p thief 1v1….lmao
or even better…go zerk war and 1v1 vahn, i’ll lend you mlg arena for that…really wanna see this, and gonna record it ofc so be careful, youtube is waiting for it
GS/Rifle does very nicely vs d/p thieves.
Standard eviscerate builds can do well too.The goal is to have each fight rely on player skill not have hard counters which it seems most posters here want. For some reason because a thief is mobile they have to die in 1v1’s in a lot of people’s minds.
That being said I could roll a warrior and fight you. I could fight anyone, but it doesn’t prove much of anything me doing that.
Fine then. When? Gonna bring you a thief…vahn, renna or someone else and we’ll see…cause you know, i main war and i won’t go for 1v1 vs a top thief with some zerk crap, but i guess you can so let’s see..
mail me on first account Archaon.6245 when you’re up for it
You make the challenge you send the mail.
ok gonna mail you tonight then…eu right? since you’re nowhere to be seen on gw2 score
Nope NA.
I’ll make my warrior and level em some to get some what of a familiarity with em
problem is that i’m eu ofc….as you can see from my signature
So uh what you’re saying is its not happening now….