You know a thread is going no where when warriors are demanding nerfs
How many teams ran 2 thieves vs 2 warriors
Honestly speaking warriors should be gutted.
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Experience with Thief I’ve grouped with all classes in all different places. I personally enjoy grouping with people who believe they are awesome at this game (isuq). I find myself receiving lots of compliments on my fro which incidently looks great when I’m at my best…..down state fighting.
I could care less about how some see condition thief imo,trap condition thief is the closest I’ll ever get to create a spec like C9’s hybrid DoT scout in GW2 ranger is not cutting it :/ and I would prefer most not to pretend/believe every condition thief out there run dire and perplexity even though I dislike that a rune makes my build effective I would have preferred a trait.
Didn’t some fella post duels w/out using weapons just traps and dodges?
Dire+Perplexity is OP and needs to be deleted from this game.
The point is it’s not thief and not all condition thieves use it. Confusion damage split will reduce Perplexity strength vs most specs, simply adding a hit on proc on initial caltrops fixes some stealth trolling,about dire the thief just needs to fight the right counters and again those were duels I’m pretty sure everyone knows the bigger the fight the less influential thief becomes.
But it doesn’t erase the fact that some still don’t know how to counter Sneak Attack,dodge a Scorpion Wire and don’t try to counter CnD, after careful consideration I would support thief coming out of stealth without revealed debuff if an attack in stealth is mitigated because there are too many instant and random aegis,runes proc etc just to filter us again. The only buff the p/d set really needs is to fasten up Sneak Attack.
I currently only use perplexity on necro for obvious reasons.
idc wtf you say I say don’t fix what ain’t broken.
There is a reason dire+perplexity isn’t available in PvP, and its due to how OP the sets are. The split on confusion is going to OP the skill even more due to NOT being able to counter it by not doing anything. Now you are going to have another damage on tic that punishes any action you take WHILE having bleeds, burns, poisons, and torment on you.
Perplexity will be out of control come patch time.
I could care less about how some see condition thief imo,trap condition thief is the closest I’ll ever get to create a spec like C9’s hybrid DoT scout in GW2 ranger is not cutting it :/ and I would prefer most not to pretend/believe every condition thief out there run dire and perplexity even though I dislike that a rune makes my build effective I would have preferred a trait.
Didn’t some fella post duels w/out using weapons just traps and dodges?
Dire+Perplexity is OP and needs to be deleted from this game.
They are increasing the damage per tick on builds that have +condi damage.
Thats not needed. The increase in stacks for PvE was.
Already condi burst is real in today’s game….
I think they’re doing it to compensate for the loss of condition damage from the traits.
We aren’t losing them they are just going to be tied to something else. I was under the impression you could choose which ones you want to better round out your build.
That being said a standard condi build runs well over 1k condi damage and their condi burst will rival power burst.
I use a naga as well.
I keep my number keys the same as my naga keys and dont use 11 or 12. I use WASD for movement and have bound Q to call target, E to weapon swap, and T assist target.
They are increasing the damage per tick on builds that have +condi damage.
Thats not needed. The increase in stacks for PvE was.
Already condi burst is real in today’s game….
Thief is not OP. Condi thief is very OP. They are thieves with training wheels.
I don’t consider them thieves
They should just gut the Cele amulet. It has caused more damage than good.
It’s the main cause of skilless face roll play from all 3 of the classes that abuse it.
Condi is already face roll.
Now they are buffing it…..wtf
Cynz shh
If they knew what most of the 40% to 0% spikes actually consisted of we’d be wading in even more BS.
Just sit back and laugh with me
Sandusky it is then.
Keeps paying extra money to kitten about thieves
I think we’ve hit just about every ability a thief has in this thread now.
I think I even saw someone say pistol 5 is OP….
All this is now is kitten session about thieves from people who obviously need to l2p.
I am confused as to how people think guardians do not hard counter thieves.
I’m sorry but they do.
Now would I say nerf guard because of that? Besides toning down some of their survivability id keep it the same.
If you are losing to a power thief on a med guard you need to practice because its entirely your fault.
Lots of nerf thief threads popping up lately.
After the last huge nerfs to S/D and D/P it was basically stated if you are complaining about thieves being OP its a sign you are bad.
Heck didn’t grouch even say that people complaining about thieves need to l2p in one of the last Ready Ups?
Also keep in mind thief vs mes is only during team fights on a specific build.
1v1 it is not a hard counter.
Wrong Forum mate.
Try WvW one
Okay, just fyi this is almost entirely coming from a Mesmer PoV. So there might be some bias^^
But it bothered me for a while now that Thief Steal isn’t telegraphed in any way as in: one could see it coming. Almost every other class Mechanic is in some way “telegraphed”. Steal, although being very owerful, is not.
So how would it be for thieves, if steal would be somehow telegraphed. Something like a 1/4 second cast time, where some kind of animation is happening, that allows me to see the steal coming (unless happening from stealth of course^^). Would that destroy how thieves work? I know there is this CnD into steal combo, that might be not possible any more with this suggestion. So I’d like the thieves’ opinion on this matter. And please keep it civil.
Mesmers F1-4 skills are not telegraphed on activation. When they are forced to run to you yes, but the actual skill is not.
Prestige, Powerlock, Decoy, Swap, etc. are all insta skills that do wonders as well.
In short No on your suggestion
At first I thought this was a very nice troll post.
Then I read the entire thing and realized you all are serious about this lol
You got one fella who last played thief 2 years ago well before a whole slew of nerfs who believes this some how entitles him to have his class killing nerfs implemented.
Then we got others who are complaining about stealth camping in PvP….lol
1. Thieves are far from OP.
2. There are plenty if zerker specs that destroy thieves
3. Conquest limits builds
4. Thief is meta ONLY because of mobility
5. A stealthing thief is detrimental to a teamThese can’t be argued. These are the facts. Now I’m not going thru everyone’s wild claims because it’s all l2p issues. Yes that age old line applies here….specially when someone complained about getting ganked due to failing to pan their camera lol.
I’m sure ppl will try to refute what I said but it’ll fail. Specially in the simple fact that the devs have stated all these complaints are l2p
Thx
1.) OP is subjective
2.) Medi Guard is the only one who eat thieves
3.) True
4.) FALSE. Thief eats any zerker class except medi guard, so any zerker on an enemy comp is subject to deleting and training in a match. If mobility here is the issue, Mesmer’s have blink, PR, Portal but We see less mesmers than thieves. (<——FACT, not every team runs mesmer, but most teams if not all run thief)
5.) So delete stealth then if it is detrimental to the team.CMON MAN, STOP PLAYING VICTIM AND GET YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT.
OP is not subjective. Anet has gone on record that when teams start to run 2 of 1 class on a team that’s OP.
Medi guard hard counters thief yes. Think outside of conquest.
This is important to remember. Conquest limits builds of this we all agree. Remember that it’s very important.
Take away a thief’s mobility and it is gone from PvP. The only reason you see thieves “eat” other zerkers is because those builds are conquest builds. Remember what I told you to remember?
Delete stealth but what do they get in return? You would have to give them an entire defensive trait line full of invulns/blocks/goodies. You also have to redo lots of weapon skills, utilities, and combo finishers.
In other words no dev team gonna touch it.
At first I thought this was a very nice troll post.
Then I read the entire thing and realized you all are serious about this lol
You got one fella who last played thief 2 years ago well before a whole slew of nerfs who believes this some how entitles him to have his class killing nerfs implemented.
Then we got others who are complaining about stealth camping in PvP….lol
1. Thieves are far from OP.
2. There are plenty if zerker specs that destroy thieves
3. Conquest limits builds
4. Thief is meta ONLY because of mobility
5. A stealthing thief is detrimental to a team
These can’t be argued. These are the facts. Now I’m not going thru everyone’s wild claims because it’s all l2p issues. Yes that age old line applies here….specially when someone complained about getting ganked due to failing to pan their camera lol.
I’m sure ppl will try to refute what I said but it’ll fail. Specially in the simple fact that the devs have stated all these complaints are l2p
Thx
people complain about stealth in pvp? wat?
thief went to reset? good… you got point, enjoy your match points~
also i love how people cry “omg thief can reset”…. and somehow forget to mention that the moment thief goes ooc their target is also ooc and gets to heal up…
i think it is hilarious to say that thief doesn’t get punished for failed attack… if anything thieves get punished the most for single mistake in game atm….
you don’t reset as a thief. you sit in stealth until crucial skills are off cooldown, like steal or withdraw, and then you go at it again. or you sit out invul skills in stealth, another gimmick that renders other classes’ defensive skills useless. thieves don’t get punished for single mistakes at all. thieves have on demand teleports that can save their kitten s in most situations and make cc useless if you don’t force the 2 stunbreaks before.
thief is also the only class in the game that is unkiteable as they have teleports that are not tied to cooldowns while other classes’ teleports are on a 30-40s cooldown. so if a thief wants to chase you he will do so and you will not get away most of the time.
the only classes that can face a thief are celestial classes that bring self sustain and a mix of direct damage and condition attrition or guardians because they have the needed aoe damage with good sustain and blocks, this will change though as soon as thieves will be able to run 3 traitlines, in fact thieves with vampire runes can already kill guardians because mist form will save them when they eat a mighty blow combo or get trapped by the ring.
the thief’s class design is broken and to fix it they would have to overhaul the whole class which is obviously not gonna happen.
they learned their lesson with energy ressource or why else do revenants have actual cooldowns on their skills + the energy cost.
So what you are basically saying is the thief is giving you a +15-30 (or more depending on how good you are) points to your score just to kill you and gain a +5? By the time he decaps he shouldn’t have any chance to fully cap due to proper team rotation. A good team will have rotated preventing your death thus negating anything the thief has done.
Whats the problem again?
If you die to a player that you hard counter you need to realize you deserve everything said afterwards.
Trash talk in general is a good time IMHO.
Come look for the [Jink] tag on ebay/mag.
I’m solo all the time WvW’n how I see fit. If you’re man enough send me a PM.
Zerker thief will lose to condi engi.
Only time you win is if you GREATLY out skill your opponent
Uhh 1st of all if you are getting bursted down in 2 seconds by any class you need to practice you SoS hotkey.
2nd of all a thief blowing his CDS on a 100% health target that can become immune to the thief’s damage for like 10 seconds is a good thing for your team.
Positioning will keep your health above the threshold to warrant a thief’s attention
Huh 5v5 on a zerker ranger should be done at a very far distance away. Positioning is paramount to survival.
If the other teams thief comes after you he’s out of position and will be dead soon.
Don’t understand that statement since I find properly timed long range burst is the most potent burst in the game.
The thief whines will reach a new level on SH
Do you dare put your hand inside the box, raw?
I’ll put more than my hand in there ^^
Uhh so what does this guild do?
I recently on a whim rolled a ranger and queued unranked. With zero knowledge or experience playing a ranger I had very good success playing 6 6 2 0 0 LB.
I was amazed at how easy it was to play and do well. I found that keeping an awareness of my surroundings was 90% of the game.
Made a thread over on the ranger forums and the hate glowed strong against me….they even went so far as to say power rangers were harder to play then thieves.
So you want base my claims validity on stringing together 5 wins in ranked by YOLO queueing…..lol
Complaining about ranger being ineffective in tournament level is legit. Complaining that ranger is not in unranked/ranked is probably not. Most of your opponents are not very coordinated even if they are premades. You should be able to do your thing relatively easily, even compared across all other professions
This fella understands.
And to further his point I will ask everyone to look at the most recent nerfs handed out. The turret engi.
Turret engi wasn’t viable in tournament play, but was gutted by Anet. So let’s stop with the not viable for Tourney play angle.
Thanks.
You are right about Ranger being a class with a low skill floor, meaning players new to it can have some success in unranked queues where you fight against people who are inexperienced.
However, the skill cap of the class against competent players is way higher. You need to micro-manage your pet extremely well (lots of cancel-casting) to be able to use the full potential of the class while landing your own weapon skills. It’s something that can be hard to do especially during team fights.
It doesn’t matter who i’m fighting against. I’m on a class with zero hours played vs people who at least have sunk enough time to lvl and fully equip the character they are playing.
Most of the time they are their mains.
I have NO business having this much success having invested literally no time learning the profession. I should be nothing but a liability in a match on a ranger.
But I’m not….
A thief saying Ranger is easier, what a joke.
I wish the ranger had a lot of stealth, disengages, blinds, insta cast skills, like a thief.
I wish my weapon skills are not affected by chill, I wish I had an instacast spammable intterupt. what else?
I wish my ranger had a lot of teles/ports for mobility too!
It doesn’t matter what profession I play. Ranger is easy to play.
I literally rolled one on a whim and succeeded with zero effort to actually learn the class.
I’m sorry you don’t agree but it’s the truth.
Now you need to let go of this whole thief thing. Yes I play a thief. Yes I play an ele. Yes I play an engi. Yes I play a mesmer. Yes I play a warrior and now yes I play a ranger.
Out of all the classes I play I was really shocked at just how easy I was able to pick up the class and succeed. You can be upset with what I say but you know what they say about truth.
Good day
Tho we’re getting side tracked. This isn’t thief vs ranger but rather on how little skill is required to play ranger.
Oh so that is your goal, you are trying to make yourself feel better about playing a thief. That’s kind of adorable that you are trying so hard to justify how ez mode your favorite class is.
Your brief shining moment is gone now in a flaming pile of bigotry.
Have a nice day.
I’m getting a lot of hate here lol
Sorry but the skill ceiling is low fellas. This class is the one designated for beginners. You might disagree but let’s all look at this w/out bias……rangers require minimal skill to succeed.
I understand my statements may anger you but deep down you know its true
If you think bow ranger and shoutbow are easy you should really try out playing a thief in PvP. The skill floor is stupid low. You barely have to fight because your job is to run from fights and cap empty points. The only time you do fight is when you see someone is already in a fight and have blown a bunch of their cooldowns and then all you do is port to them and spam 2 or 3 buttons.
If you are in trouble you just disappear and port yourself all the way across the map to find an uncontested point. Seriously, a brain dead monkey could play it.
Maybe you should finally roll a thief since ranger is too hard for you then.
Please upload your daily videos of your achievements as a thief and post them on the thief forums
thx
Oh I’ve had a thief for years, I play it from time to time but never for very long because it is so stupid easy that I get bored of it very quickly. It is without a doubt the easiest class to play successfully in PvP. I mean even shoutbow is tougher to play because you have to be able to sit on point and survive being focused.
Really that’s the best response you got?
When ya get around to rolling thief lemme know how it goes
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I told you I have a thief, I have at least 1 of every profession. Thief is easy mode and boring to play in WvW and PvP. I enjoy things that are a little more challenging, but judging by your opening post I thought you were looking for the easiest class so I decided to recommend what is hands down the easiest class in the game to play.Did I misunderstand the intention of your thread?
I’ll give ya one more chance.
1 more chance for what? I am totally confused by this thread. What exactly is its purpose?
Good to see you on board mate
Thief isnt really forgiving in general but it can be built to be so and still kill you.
Ranger is too specialized in what it does cant have it both
All classes have the option for forgiving builds. The problem is in PvP you won’t see thieves built like that.
Tho we’re getting side tracked. This isn’t thief vs ranger but rather on how little skill is required to play ranger.
Well power LB ranger….but I hear the condi regeneration ranger is even easier to play
That’s good, when you start playing ranked on a regular basis let us know how ez mode 662 LB ranger is. Ok, thanks. Maybe a few videos would clear up our skeptisicm? Most of us have only play 2 or 3 thousand ranked matches, but there is always a chance to learn something from “new blood.”
I am curious how you handle 1v1 and outnumbered situations with such ease. Maybe there is an ez-mode button I am missing…
1v1 I’ve actually been able to handle. Was surprised I could tbh.
As for out numbered I handle them 1 of 2 ways.
1. Run away
2. Learn from my mistakes.
You should stick to thief then. They are the best class for running away. They can run faster than anything, and go invisible at the same time. Very forgiving to beginners.
You only play ranger mate. I understand why your views are the way they are.
Play another class and you’ll see how ez rangers are.
That’s good, when you start playing ranked on a regular basis let us know how ez mode 662 LB ranger is. Ok, thanks. Maybe a few videos would clear up our skeptisicm? Most of us have only play 2 or 3 thousand ranked matches, but there is always a chance to learn something from “new blood.”
I am curious how you handle 1v1 and outnumbered situations with such ease. Maybe there is an ez-mode button I am missing…
1v1 I’ve actually been able to handle. Was surprised I could tbh.
As for out numbered I handle them 1 of 2 ways.
1. Run away
2. Learn from my mistakes.
I’m getting a lot of hate here lol
Sorry but the skill ceiling is low fellas. This class is the one designated for beginners. You might disagree but let’s all look at this w/out bias……rangers require minimal skill to succeed.
I understand my statements may anger you but deep down you know its true
If you think bow ranger and shoutbow are easy you should really try out playing a thief in PvP. The skill floor is stupid low. You barely have to fight because your job is to run from fights and cap empty points. The only time you do fight is when you see someone is already in a fight and have blown a bunch of their cooldowns and then all you do is port to them and spam 2 or 3 buttons.
If you are in trouble you just disappear and port yourself all the way across the map to find an uncontested point. Seriously, a brain dead monkey could play it.
Maybe you should finally roll a thief since ranger is too hard for you then.
Please upload your daily videos of your achievements as a thief and post them on the thief forums
thx
Oh I’ve had a thief for years, I play it from time to time but never for very long because it is so stupid easy that I get bored of it very quickly. It is without a doubt the easiest class to play successfully in PvP. I mean even shoutbow is tougher to play because you have to be able to sit on point and survive being focused.
Really that’s the best response you got?
When ya get around to rolling thief lemme know how it goes
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I told you I have a thief, I have at least 1 of every profession. Thief is easy mode and boring to play in WvW and PvP. I enjoy things that are a little more challenging, but judging by your opening post I thought you were looking for the easiest class so I decided to recommend what is hands down the easiest class in the game to play.Did I misunderstand the intention of your thread?
I’ll give ya one more chance.
I’m getting a lot of hate here lol
Sorry but the skill ceiling is low fellas. This class is the one designated for beginners. You might disagree but let’s all look at this w/out bias……rangers require minimal skill to succeed.
I understand my statements may anger you but deep down you know its true
If you think bow ranger and shoutbow are easy you should really try out playing a thief in PvP. The skill floor is stupid low. You barely have to fight because your job is to run from fights and cap empty points. The only time you do fight is when you see someone is already in a fight and have blown a bunch of their cooldowns and then all you do is port to them and spam 2 or 3 buttons.
If you are in trouble you just disappear and port yourself all the way across the map to find an uncontested point. Seriously, a brain dead monkey could play it.
Maybe you should finally roll a thief since ranger is too hard for you then.
Please upload your daily videos of your achievements as a thief and post them on the thief forums
thx
Oh I’ve had a thief for years, I play it from time to time but never for very long because it is so stupid easy that I get bored of it very quickly. It is without a doubt the easiest class to play successfully in PvP. I mean even shoutbow is tougher to play because you have to be able to sit on point and survive being focused.
Really that’s the best response you got?
When ya get around to rolling thief lemme know how it goes
Where did I say that rangers are meta for PvP?
All I said is the class is ez mode and I’m having success in unranked having never played a ranger
I’m getting a lot of hate here lol
Sorry but the skill ceiling is low fellas. This class is the one designated for beginners. You might disagree but let’s all look at this w/out bias……rangers require minimal skill to succeed.
I understand my statements may anger you but deep down you know its true
If you think bow ranger and shoutbow are easy you should really try out playing a thief in PvP. The skill floor is stupid low. You barely have to fight because your job is to run from fights and cap empty points. The only time you do fight is when you see someone is already in a fight and have blown a bunch of their cooldowns and then all you do is port to them and spam 2 or 3 buttons.
If you are in trouble you just disappear and port yourself all the way across the map to find an uncontested point. Seriously, a brain dead monkey could play it.
Maybe you should finally roll a thief since ranger is too hard for you then.
Please upload your daily videos of your achievements as a thief and post them on the thief forums
thx
I’m getting a lot of hate here lol
Sorry but the skill ceiling is low fellas. This class is the one designated for beginners. You might disagree but let’s all look at this w/out bias……rangers require minimal skill to succeed.
I understand my statements may anger you but deep down you know its true
Its never a good time with YB in a BL…..well unless you like dodging arrow cart fire all night long
Not a fan of vamp though
Glass bow rangers can provide safe ranged reliable burst damage.
There are things thieves and mesmers do better but then there are things they do better.