Guild Wars 2

Mattmatt.4962:

Yes and i confirm that.

Explain me why am i wrong if you’re so sure i’m mistaking.

Necro
Guard
Ranger
Mesmer
Engi

You’ll out run all of them. The only time you won’t beat a mesmer is in PvP when portal is used.

Did someone just claim ele is 2nd worse class in terms of mobility?

Wow

Your team needs to be good enough to win even fights or last long enough in out numbered fights.

Once you have that the thief is the icing on the cake.

Why would anyone be excited about this?

Basically if this is true we had one of our defensive trait lines gutted just to become our new elite spec….w t f

PU needs to give +1 sec to stealth only

EU has always held the belief they are superior to NA in this game in all aspects.

I remember when GvG was huge the EU teams always thought NA was inferior as well...then one took a NA tour and got rekt by the best NA offered.

Now what NA really needs is more than 1 team to beat the top EU team because you have to can’t just prove it....you have to destroy their spirit

Sunflowers.1729:

Ok yeah. Sorry. I still think I’m right though, but you can choose to disagree with it. Going to stop arguing with him cause it’s going nowhere.

Nope you’re wrong.

You’re trying I’ll give,you that.

Burning needs to be either unstackable or damage reduced by 50%.

Burning ashes needs to be removed.

Reduce the regeneration on soothing and no more vigor is needed.

Start there and nerf more until balanced if warranted

Why can’t the offending player pay the remaining player each 10 gold. So everytime u quite its a 40g penalty.

Bet that kitten stops REALLY fast

Define strong thief please

Run caltrops and shortbow

Some of the trait and skill combos of other classes are just mind blowing.

PU+Confounding+MoD……

That boggle your mind.

1. Rampage
2. Taunt
3. PU
4. MoD
5. Burning Ashes

What was Anet thinking on these?

DeceiverX.8361:

Just spam 3 on D/P.

I was called out to a duel recently playing D/D signets against D/P. I lost, and with some post-duel words, thought it might be fun to show the guy his winning words were pretty meaningless. I gave him a challenge: beat me when playing D/P, and I’d only use one skill the entire fight – Shadow Shot – no utilities, no heals. He could use his full kit.

I never went under 90%.

Seriously. Being “good” on the thief right now comes to how well you can manage pressing 3 on D/P because Shadow Shot is blatantly overpowered and the entire rest of the class is terrible.

Try that vs cele ele, PU mesmer, burn guardian, medi guardian, or heck even a ranger.

Stop with the D/D elitism its getting old and no one cares anymore

Because people complained too hard for too long.

The story of all thief nerfs. Wait till you realize that the huge Jun 23rd trait over haul completely destroyed all thief survivability….You’ll love life then.

Jedi Mind Tricks is the only way to survive now.

Nephrite.6954:

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Even a power thief assaulting a point vs engi can really benefit from 2x gunk

Not every thief chooses improvisation over executioner. In fact executioner in any circumstances will always outshine improvisation.

1v1 vs mesmer?

So he’s no longer Lord Helseth but Fairy King Helseth.

Wait when did thieves become a hard class to play?? I thought all you had to do was kitten your 2 key??

Even a power thief assaulting a point vs engi can really benefit from 2x gunk

Eles have been over the top for awhile now.

Let’s give another class a turn

Thief overall needs help.

Whether it’s directly through buffs or indirectly by nerfing everyone else it needs to happen.

Haze.9075:

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Dueling builds are completely worthless because they aren’t viable in ANY aspect of GW2.

So unless you are dueling with a meta build or something viable its pointless.

There’s actually a large community that regularly plays in ‘dueling’ servers. So if this is what a player wants to do, it’s perfectly reasonable to look for a dueling build. Furthermore, duels happen on a regular basis on / off points of spvp and with the introduction of Guild Hall, there will be plenty more opportunities for dueling. It’s far from ‘worthless’.

As for OP, look into metabattle and you’ll find some builds there.

You’ve missed the point entirely.

Dueling builds are completely worthless because they aren’t viable in ANY aspect of GW2.

So unless you are dueling with a meta build or something viable its pointless.

8/10

15 chars ftw

Tux kitten inguin.3049:

Again I cant agree. The weakest 1v1 class? I play quite often on 1v1 servers. Either my skill is veery high (which i doubt) or the thief works 1v1. Sure, its hard to kill a good dps-guardian or a well played cele-ele, necros on full ds are also quite hard. There is not only stealth but also a lot of interrupts and blinds. If sb. knows to play a thief, he is as good at 1v1 as other classes.
Thiefs that can only survivie because of stealth are not good thiefs, quite simple.
@NeXeD: I simply agree

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/members/Tux-kitten inguin-3049/showposts

Sure…..

I like to run a full signet burst d/d build every so often. The lulz and “wtf” moments you get running that build makes it all worth while.

I remember insta downing a necro who literally just gave me props for it.

Give me mace with the ability to stun lock kitteners.

Didn’t see anything that offensive.

Back when I started playing MMO’s this is mere child’s play…..people in general need to grow a thicker skin

SlimChance.6593:

Gee, when I worry about thieves, I just think “Consume Plasma” and I’m good.

Mesmer trumps thieves now.

Heck pre patch mesmer was only countered as power shatter…

Narcarsis.5739:

Terrorsquad.4802:

There are infact skill which are instant but cant be casted while CC’d..

That’s a falsity. Anything that is truly instant cast can be cast while stunned regardless of being a stun-break or not.

And it needs to change.

Even Steal….

Jana.6831:

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I remember a d/d thief I dueled once. When I fought him with D/P he just got ran over. Eventually he refused to fight if i was using D/P because it was lame. Now I wasn’t using SA at the time but 2 6 0 0 6 build. He whined a lot. He complained about it.

BTW he was running full SA…..

So? D/D shouldn’t have a chance against D/P, especially if the D/P thief is heartseekering all around the place as D/D needs to land CnD to stealth. SA wasn’t and isn’t op, especially if you can’t stealth because your opponent is in a smoke field or jumping around, or interrupting you, which x66xx D/D thieves couldn’t do.
Just to get that straight – D/P is the direct counter to D/D.

I can still kill some of them because I outplay and outdamage them, but at the moment a lot of wvw is really wonky, so it’s really hard to tell what’s skill and what’s bug.

D/D can beat D/P. Does D/P have an advantage over DP? Yes it does but not a hard counter like a lot of DD thieves like to announce to the world.

Try running scorp wire ^^ remember 1 good burst and any thief is basically downed.

We need to stop the interclass QQ because its only going to hurt the Thief class as a whole. Remember when S/D was absolutely face roll? I didn’t respect the evade/3 spam ppl who abused the kitten out of it. Nope you know why? Because as a class the thief was on a downward spiral to ineffectiveness. Now as a class we are basically there and the only thing we have going for us is 2nd rate burst on top of 1st class movement.

So all this interclass bickering isn’t helping for kitten. IDC if you run DD, SD, DP, PP, or just SBx2. We as a class are hurting post the last patch. Already the QQ from DD thieves help bring about the nerf to OH Pistol 5. QQ from everyone including other thieves got SD 2 nerfed.

At this point in time EVERY single class has either a hard counter or really good counter to the thief class, and y’all wanna nerf us more…….

Its time to shut up on this subject.

DeceiverX.8361:

DHawk.2687:

dancing dagger isn’t bad in theory, it has helped me out a lot tbh, the only downside is that the ini cost is way to high for a simple skill like that, anet needs to eihter buff it’s damage and cripple time or reduce the ini cost

Someone finally gets it.

I find myself using this skill more than almost everything else playing D/D. The utility and just ranged damage (I always jump when throwing if possible for more range :P) are extremely useful.

The problem is that I normally have to dump a full bar of init to make it actually have a significant impact on anything. The skill used to have the same damage modifier as a frontal backstab IIRC and more bounces, and for obvious reasons, it got nerfed, as throwing a single Dancing Dagger into a group of two people would hit each player for like 25k at the end lol.

As far as the thread’s usefulness goes… at least we identified some people who don’t know what the hell they’re talking about I guess :P

On topic, though, my biggest issue with D/P is how Shadow Shot has such a low init cost for such a powerful skill. Instant 900 range teleport double-strike (guaranteed fire/air procs in most cases) unblockable front-stab projectile finisher that blinds and can be used many times for 4 initiative is a little much. 6 init and it’s fair.

Dancing dagger was OP as kitten and needed to be nerfed.

Dancing dagger now is a wonderful way to clear blinds, break aegis, and set up for some combos, but overall its usually a waste of initiative.

As for shadow shot needing an increase to 6 init per use. Please keep your bias to yourself and think of not thief v thief but thief v rest of game. If you are having problems vs SS as a D/D thief I’ll invite give you this lovely piece of information:

Once the animation of the blinding shot shows on the screen (you get blinded and you see a shadow bullet not that hard ppl) DODGE. Gratz you just had that thief waste 4 init.

Again you need to think about the entire picture and drop your tunnel vision “OMG D/P v D/D isn’t fair” attitude. We are facing as an entire class Cele ele, mesmers, rampaging morons, cele necros or MM necros, Analyzing engies, condi rangers, and Mr. Hardcounter himself Guardian.

Pardon me if I take this time to impart the greatest advice you’ll ever receive on an internet forum.

Knock off the interclass QQ.

Have a nice night fellas and lets keep teef’n

MidoriMarch.8067:

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DHawk.2687:

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MidoriMarch.8067:

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DHawk.2687:

Jana.6831:

DHawk.2687:

mfg how many times do i have to say i want to see a buff rather than a nerf, I’m just trying to be realistic since we won’t see a buff in a long time
are we done now? I NEVER demanded a nerf of dp

DHawk.2687:

dp does need some kind of adjustment imo, i think the blindfield and the fact that you can just heartseaker through it stale, boring and a bit too strong compared to all the other thief weaponsets, not even mentioning the shadowshot and daze

adjustment does not mean nerf. look it up

You lost time to get back to the drawing board

No you lost T Raw.

Please dont judge people when u actually have 3.2k ap with less than 1000 hours spent on thief.

Since when did speed runes become perplexity runes and since when did zerker/valk gears turned into condi gears?

Thanks

Saying isuq because of my play time stats on this account in a passive aggressive manner is unbecoming.

I’d much rather the “Duel me I’ll show you” response.

But what do I know isuq and get carried in all game modes just please next time don’t spam me during a GvG

fyi there is a block funktion ^^

I only block gold spammers….tho after one of the rounds when I got to reply he mysteriously decided to block me

O well

I know your level just by u playing d/p and says it req more skills than d/d

made me laugh pretty hard nice try lol

I never said d/p or d/d takes more skill. In truth they both require skill of a different type.

I remember a d/d thief I dueled once. When I fought him with D/P he just got ran over. Eventually he refused to fight if i was using D/P because it was lame. Now I wasn’t using SA at the time but 2 6 0 0 6 build. He whined a lot. He complained about it.

BTW he was running full SA…..

When used allows rifle shots to pass through reflects. These are not blocks so please fix this ASAP

thx

DeceiverX.8361:

Kocoff.7582:

D/P thief … requires a lot more skill than D/D

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I think you vastly over-estimate the skill requirement for D/P. It’s one of the thief’s easiest weapon sets.

Kocoff.7582:

I implore you, my fellow thieves, please share your D/P wisdom to those in need.

Spam 3, auto-attack, execute with 2. 4/5 When you need it against tanks or bunkers you can’t kill, shortbow to run away.

You can cancel stuff as it was mentioned, but it’s really not even necessary half the time.

D/D thief elitism at it’s finest.

We can even say D/D is nothing but 5 > 1 then 2 spam….

Kocoff.7582:

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Ok 1st think you need to do is relocate your #3 key as you’ve prolly never used it.

Now let’s get into the best piece of advice you’ll ever get regarding D/P……don’t stealth. Once you learn not to you’re ready to learn D/P.

Yes there you have it the mecca of D/P advice.

Good luck

I kind of hope you mean “Avoid stealth as often as possible” because “Don’t stealth” sounds like you have been playing the Warrior to often lol.

Thanks man!

No I mean it.

Learn to not rely on stealth then you start putting it in your repitior

If you noticed all damage buffs in the thief defensive trait lines have been removed.

This wasn’t done accidently….

Ok 1st think you need to do is relocate your #3 key as you’ve prolly never used it.

Now let’s get into the best piece of advice you’ll ever get regarding D/P……don’t stealth. Once you learn not to you’re ready to learn D/P.

Yes there you have it the mecca of D/P advice.

Good luck

jportell.2197:

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1. Mesmer loses blind
2. Ele loses blind
3. Mesmer can no longer use mantras while stun/dazed/etc.

Start with that

Than you defeat the purpose of the mantras. Instant cast=used while stunned. If we are going to do that all instant cast skills need to be unable to be used while stunned aside from stun breakers

As it stands right now a mesmer EASILY beats a burst post stun due just insta stunning them before the pain comes.

It needs to be removed.

1. Mesmer loses blind
2. Ele loses blind
3. Mesmer can no longer use mantras while stun/dazed/etc.

Start with that

DHawk.2687:

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MidoriMarch.8067:

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DHawk.2687:

Jana.6831:

DHawk.2687:

mfg how many times do i have to say i want to see a buff rather than a nerf, I’m just trying to be realistic since we won’t see a buff in a long time
are we done now? I NEVER demanded a nerf of dp

DHawk.2687:

dp does need some kind of adjustment imo, i think the blindfield and the fact that you can just heartseaker through it stale, boring and a bit too strong compared to all the other thief weaponsets, not even mentioning the shadowshot and daze

adjustment does not mean nerf. look it up

You lost time to get back to the drawing board

No you lost T Raw.

Please dont judge people when u actually have 3.2k ap with less than 1000 hours spent on thief.

Since when did speed runes become perplexity runes and since when did zerker/valk gears turned into condi gears?

Thanks

Saying isuq because of my play time stats on this account in a passive aggressive manner is unbecoming.

I’d much rather the “Duel me I’ll show you” response.

But what do I know isuq and get carried in all game modes just please next time don’t spam me during a GvG

fyi there is a block funktion ^^

I only block gold spammers….tho after one of the rounds when I got to reply he mysteriously decided to block me

O well

MidoriMarch.8067:

T raw.4658:

DHawk.2687:

Jana.6831:

DHawk.2687:

mfg how many times do i have to say i want to see a buff rather than a nerf, I’m just trying to be realistic since we won’t see a buff in a long time
are we done now? I NEVER demanded a nerf of dp

DHawk.2687:

dp does need some kind of adjustment imo, i think the blindfield and the fact that you can just heartseaker through it stale, boring and a bit too strong compared to all the other thief weaponsets, not even mentioning the shadowshot and daze

adjustment does not mean nerf. look it up

You lost time to get back to the drawing board

No you lost T Raw.

Please dont judge people when u actually have 3.2k ap with less than 1000 hours spent on thief.

Since when did speed runes become perplexity runes and since when did zerker/valk gears turned into condi gears?

Thanks

Saying isuq because of my play time stats on this account in a passive aggressive manner is unbecoming.

I’d much rather the “Duel me I’ll show you” response.

But what do I know isuq and get carried in all game modes just please next time don’t spam me during a GvG

DHawk.2687:

Jana.6831:

DHawk.2687:

mfg how many times do i have to say i want to see a buff rather than a nerf, I’m just trying to be realistic since we won’t see a buff in a long time
are we done now? I NEVER demanded a nerf of dp

DHawk.2687:

dp does need some kind of adjustment imo, i think the blindfield and the fact that you can just heartseaker through it stale, boring and a bit too strong compared to all the other thief weaponsets, not even mentioning the shadowshot and daze

adjustment does not mean nerf. look it up

You lost time to get back to the drawing board

It’ll be rifle with ricochet and damage buffs for ranged weapons.

It’ll then include zero survival traits and only be useful to kitten people off resulting in a phenomenal increase in nerf thief QQ

For roaming with DP in today’s game I choose a different trait set up then what I duel/pvp with

Kidel.2057:

Basilisk venom is hard to fail, jade winds is easy to fail and takes half initiative. End of the story

How would you know you’ve never teef’d

Apolo.5942:

Sephius.2876:

Mesmer, DD elementalist, burning and Rampage will need adjusting. Hopefully devs are aware.

Thiefs need a massive nerfing to.

wait wha…?

Who in their right mind honestly thinks Basilisk Venom is OP?

Kidel you need to stop the crusade against thieves.

Kidel.2057:

I was talking about Jade Winds used by a thief.
1 seacon od BV is good. 2s would be too much given initiative burst and stealth, plus the fact you can’t see BV coming.

You can even see that Revenant is in Shiro attunement, you can expect JW, even if you don’t see the telegraph.
I should be more worried about the down trait if I were you. 90s icd, but still instant.

Please do not take this the wrong way.

You have no clue on how a thief works and need to stop.

Please roll a thief and play around with it just for a day.