Guild Wars 2

Blind on dodge does not sound good to you?

@ArenaNet Since the patch will remove the stats from the trait lines. and adjust the base stats (power, toughness, vitality, precision) from 926 to 1000 (= +296 stats)…

Q1: … how are the PvP Amulets going to be adjusted?

Q2: How many stats does Carrion (a three stats amulet), Berserker (four stats) and Celestrial (seven stats) provide?

Q3: Is ArenaNet going to introduce new amulets (f.e. with condi or boon duration)?

Thanks in advance!

We don’t know yet. You have to wait a bit longer.

Since the last time we got the trait preview, they changed A LOT.

Remember the Core-trait-update is coming live before hot (with the next content patch). The next time they are previewing the core trait update is on the RU-Show on monday.

Some unanswered questions:

• How many achievement points do you get from just playing PvP, and not specifically doing the daily? How many achievement points should he have, that you would consider him an experienced PvP player?
• How did he play? Maybe he was a twink account?
• Does somebody know, with which MMR new players are starting?
• How are you playing, that your MMR seems to match the one of new players? Do you need some help?

Supreme.3164:

I just wish all transform elites would be as powerful as rampage and lich form…looking at you -Tornado-

Agree, Tornado needs to get buffed / changed.

Liewec.2896:

i like that there are actually some things in the game that aren’t recycled, small trophies that show you were there,

Agree, but I am afraid, ArenaNet will bring it back someday

babayum.1895:

ESL monthly finals yesterday

won 2-0 without thief how is that possible ?!?!?

Do you remember who streamed it? Can’t find it.

I guess, it is just the overwhelming personal skill of Abjured compared to the rest of NA. Still think in an imaginary fight between Abjured with Toker on Thief would beat Abjured with Toker on Engi.

Omocha.4931:

Maybe, just maybe, take into consideration that not all people follow the meta,

So you are saying: It does not matter how broken a certain spec is, because not everyone is playing it? Yes, the goal is to only shave op-builds and at the same time buff too weak builds. But then we are already discussing the details.

My personal opinion is, that the Vampirism-Rune Mist Form Proc needs to get removed asap. Discussing specific skills and utilities is currently useless, since there is a whole trait revamp on our way.

babayum.1895:

They played with toker but he was on engi… they played 2x engi, 1x ele, 1x necro, 1x warrior

When was that? Just curious.

babayum.1895:

Since thief is so “broken” how did abjured win without a thief in their comp with enemy team running one? I mean obviously thief team should have cuz thief prof is so broken in this game, right?

When did Abjured not play with Magic Toker?

Next time just try to relog (log out to char selection). That should be enough to fix stuck-problems. No need to restart gw2.

It is a great chance, I love it.

Exedore.6320:

What you’re saying is how the system should be working. In practice there are problems and I suspect it’s not just a population problem.
[…]
That happens more often than you’d think and it’s incredibly frustrating. Something is definitely broken.

Maybe we should generate a thread again where we report matches, we think, that should not have happened?

How about we only post that kind of matches, that fall into the following criteria:

• all 10 players participated during the whole match, so no 4v5s. 4v5s are a pain, but they are not a match making problem.
• The loosing team did not reach 150 points. The end score has to represent how bad a team got farmed.

And the post must include:

• Your account name you played the match with, unless it is the same as the one posting.
• The time of the match including your time zone.
• Name of the PvP-Map where the match took place
  This will help the devs to find the problematic match, and take a look at the matchmaking.

Nice to also include:

• How many players of both teams were not invite-able to your party.
• IP-Address of the pvp server (/ip in chat), not sure if that would help the devs to find the match or is useless information.

Saiyan.1704:

It sure feels like that’s how it’s working.
Why should I not believe that otherwise when you/we have no source data to go off of?

You should start with http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glicko_rating_system

There is a small example if you don’t want to read about the glicko 2 rating system:
Every player has his own individual rating.

• Player A with a 2k rating will face opponents with a 2k rating and play with players with a 2k rating. If he is matches perfectly at 2k, the will end up with a 50% win chance.
• The same is true for player B with a 1k rating. Opponents and teammates ~1k, perfectly matches = 50% win chance.
• Player C plays at a 1k rating, but he now uses a meta build. He wins against his current 1k opponents, climps up the rating-ladder and therefore has a winchance okitten0%

Sneakier.9460:

Nope, you just turned off your brain…

Now you have to be offensive? What happened to being friendly and constructive?

4 matches in a row against the same 5 ppl

I had 3 matches in a row playing with 2 friends, where we got the same two player premade into out team. On another day I was in a premade with 3 friends, and over the whole evening we got a rotation of three solo-players.

question?

Yes, have you checked your own team? As often as you play f.e. vs a 4 player premade, you end up with being a 4 player premade on your team.

Don’t know how much you know, so please don’t feel offensive, just gonna repeat how the match making system works:

• Everyone has a rating. The rating system in gw2 is based on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glicko_rating_system
  So f.e. a player with rating of 3.000 is good, a player with 1.500 mediocre.

• The match making system tries to throw people with about the same rating together in a team and tries to distribute the ratings among the two teams as even as possible. F.e. the system finds 10 player with a rating about 2.000 and throws them together into a match

• If multiple people are queuing together (=premade) the system thinks, that they have therefore an advantage, and their rating will get adjusted higher.
  F.e. 4 players with a 1.600 rating are queuing together, so the system will place them as a group at a 2.000 rating. So the individual skill of the premade-players is not as high as the solo queue players they are facing / playing with.

Therefore you will end up with 4 players playing as a group with a 1.6k rating and 6 players with a 2k rating. Who will win?

Now to some of the most common statements:
“The higher your rating, the higher the chance you will face premades.” Will, yes, due to the rating adjustment, f.e. a player rated with 500 will most likely not face a premade since once their group rating is adjusted, they will most likely have a rating > 500.

“Premades will always win”: Well no, I have won against them and lost with them. Since the individual skill of the players is much lower.

Just for completeness:
Yes, the system has problems. F.e. against which teams should a full Abjured / TCG / oRNG play?
The playerbase is small, so you can end up with a match from player with 1k to 3k rating in the same team (ofc after waiting for 8+minutes).
The system takes some time to rank players. New players will almost always be not ranked at their appropriate ranking.

Saiyan.1704:

Everyone with a 50% win rate will virtually have similiar mmr. The average win rate on the leaderboards is 50%.

Half the time, your mmr is no different than anyone else.

That’s still not how the MMR is working.

Sneakier.9460:

stop trolling plz…

Why am I trolling? I am asking you serious questions, and you have barely answered them. How do you want to be treated on the forum, should I fall on my knees and kiss you?

You my friend, sounds like the saying “mad cuz bad” is perfectly for you.

Sneakier.9460:

Teutos.8620:

Sneakier.9460:

Just lost 3 followed matches against this premade

How do you know, that they were a 5 player premade? Maybe they were 3-2.
Did you look at your team, and if you were playing with a premade? Maybe 4-1?

I got the same team 4 times now… look at their guild tag…

You can see 4 opponents and two different tags on the screenshot.
Edit: On a sidenote, I’d love to recommend you to use the thief-meta build.

Adolfas.2180:

Blackjack.5621:

In the name of Majestic Capricorn please allow me to apologize for what happened on saturday. It was not our intention to cause any damage or inconvenience.

In retrospect, I believe the situation resulted from the circumstances, where people leave a team in the last second. It was impossible to find replacements in such limited time. While this is by no means an excuse for what happened, we should look forward to future tournaments and the finals of the current World Tournament Series, as we see more and more people motivated to compete (sometimes even too motivated).

Again we want to apologize, especially to Team Salt and the community, who probably won´t get their fair match against Orng.
Congratulations to the qualified teams, the WTS has never been as intense and I´m sure this final will become the best we have seen so far.

Sincerely,
Blackjack

How does this explain why you yourself didnt even play in the qualifiers?

I would also really love to know, why Blackjack didn’t participate in the qualifiers himself and what he was doing at the same time. Is his conscience free of guilt, or are the rumors true, and he intentionally tried to cause damage?

Sneakier.9460:

Just lost 3 followed matches against this premade

How do you know, that they were a 5 player premade? Maybe they were 3-2.
Did you look at your team, and if you were playing with a premade? Maybe 4-1?

Cynz.9437:

- allow first match per day ignore 50% win rate rule :/

There is no such rule. This is how a good match making works.

1.) You win vs your opponents? Your mmr-rating increases, and you will face stronger opponents.
2.) You lost? you will face weaker opponents the next time.

If you win about 50% of your matches, the match making system is working perfectly fine to find you opponents about your own strength.
If you win more than 50% → The match making can either not find suitable opponents (due to a small community); the match making process is not working or your own mmr-rating was still too low, and has therefore to increase further.

@alt-accounting: So what exactly does that mean? Did players participate, that didn’t qualify for the wtsQ on their own account, or on the account, that was allowed to participate? Were those players under-aged?

witcher.3197:

So we should just sit back and relax, not giving any feedback and making Anet think that everything is fine? It’s a beta, it’s there so people can give feedback

Thing is, we can’t provide constructive feedback. We are limited to talk about how the matches felt for us, and why we think that is so, but since the community is soo diveded, we can’t grasp why that is the case, and therefore can’t provide constructive feedback.

and the overwhelming majority says that it’s too PvE oriented.

Your statement is just not true. There are enough co called feedback posts, in which the threadcreater claims, that f.e. the Archers are not strong enough, and that therefore this pve-part should be enhanced.

F.e. the community agreed, that turret engis were too strong, so it lead to a nerf. Now what should happen to Stronghold? Every post claims to know the solution, which is not compatible with every other provided solution. Some sounds really good, and I would love to test them out, but well, for that we would need more time with stronghold

Exedore.6320:

For example, the “DB rush”/“PvE race” strategy complaints are coming from or by playing against organized or semi-organized players who are matched with all but the most organized and moderate or higher skilled players. It has nothing to do with lack of time spent playing.

Or the players haven’t figured out a good way to counter the DB rush strategy due to a lack of time. ‘The Absurd’ f.e. tried to counter it in the tournament due to sending 5 players at the start into the def lane (but they lost the 5v5 teamfight).

And every one of those 9 posts complains about a different problem and suggest a different solution, that is not compatible with the other 8.

F.e. Do the door breakers die too easy, not easy enough, are they just fine? The community is too divided. Maybe we just haven’t spent enough time with Stronghold yet.

Long death timers are just annoying and there is no additional reward feeling coming with it.

Deimos Tel Arin.7391:

do you know that the treb kills archers and gate keepers in one shot?

Well, than the treb seems to be bugged. It only dealt about ~20% damage per hit last time I used it.

Capitol City.4856:

No they don’t XD not unless you’re squishy enough to get instantly downed by the enemy players. That’s the problem with SH right now, it’s not a “speed meta” it’s a “doorbreaker rush” meta. Doorbreakers simply have too much health for defending to be worth it.

Agree, defense is just not working out.

The doorbreakers take less damage than the heavy target golem, so I’d guess above 3.3k armor (compare that to a Cleric Guard with 3.1k).
(I critical hit a heavy target golem for 1.3k, but the door breakers only for 1k, so they need to have 30% more defense than the target golem).
Now put either someone on their side that supports them, or someone that just kills the defenders…

Still don’t understand why you try to reinvent the wheel.

The system from other games are fine (like wow-arena, lol, dota, even hearthstone…)

Evan Lesh.3295:

[…]
Thoughts?

I think you are right, a 100% MMR based ladder is not the best choice, but it is way better, than what we currently have.

What is your though on a system like the arena-rating in WoW? Accumulating points based on your MMR, lower jumps, after ~20-50 games basically MMR based.

Steve Fowler.1498:

Grouch and I were asked to talk about GW2’s competitive program at a local conference and if your interested you can watch here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YLslqhBn3PU

From the video: Addon Launch “this summer”.

I think I fall into the competitive-casual / core category. Biggest problem I’m currently having: Nothing to play for on a daily base (was only mentioned in the video for the hardcore-pvper).

My guess: Engi gets Consecrations. (persistent ground effect).

Mister Asdasd.6194:

so i dont press volunteer since i guessed the one that joined last will have to go but guess what? Surprise i find myself on the scrub team 3vs5.

Press the button → get win credit even if you loose

For more information about unlocking Reward Tracks: https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/PvP_Reward_Track

Post too long, didn’t read it.

Just answering the headline: There is a whole trait reworking on his way. It will be shipped before the addon. My guess is, that they are currently putting all their workforce into getting it right and ready to be shipped.

Blades of Sabatine.5639:

retaliation for 5 seconds which am guessing is also 5 second of immunity

No, it’s not immunity -.-

It is a boon damaging everyone who attacks it. Not reflecting damage, not preventing damage, just dealing a static amount of damage to the attacker.

https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Retaliation

StickerHappy.8052:

From all your statements, basing it from 1 mesmer, this is a player based issue.

Why did they change? Because they wanted to?

Do you interpret something into my posts, or do you just have a problem understanding what I’m saying? If that’s the case, I can try to repeat myself with other words, since English is not my first language.

My statements are based on the representation of mesmers in the wts-tier. Not on someones personal opinion about mesmer. Not talking about why that’s the case (there have already been multiple threads about it).

The longtime mesmer players changed, because with another profession, they are much more successful in the wts-tier. Playing a different profession enables them to maybe even win the wts. This is a fact, not a personal opinion.

So now Helseth dictates your POV in the mesmer scene? LOL. Now Tell me why didnt helseth change his class?

He is the only positive example which I mentioned. He is the exception confirming the rule. He didn’t change, because he is too arrogant. He has the urge to show everyone, that he is the best and therefore he sticks with mesmer regardless of crippling his team.

Feel free to ask around yourself.

StickerHappy.8052:

So where are you getting that Mesmer is underwhelming in PvP?

In the past there where enough top mesmer, who loved to play their profession. Please tell me why they have all changed. I can tell you → their team runs better with another profession, so they switched.

So there’s only 1 mesmer in EU top tier, so Is that enough to say mesmer is underwhelming in pvp?

Yes, that is enough.

A lot of us mesmers here play competitively in PvP.

Show me a single mesmer (except Helseth) who is successful at WTS level.

Again that guy Robert has made a lot of better changes for mesmers and still you people are not contented?

I have no clue. Tell that to the person who complained that all the changes are PvP focused.

I would take the changes robert made any day than the state we had before.

From my take (please tell me if I’m wrong here), Robert was also responsible for the old state.

StickerHappy.8052:

Do you play weekly cups? High tier pvp? ToL?

No, I don’t. Since I can’t see my MMR, hard to tell at which level I’m playing.
Still don’t get your point. I am not good enough to participate in the WTS, but I also don’t have a problem playing mesmer in normal ranked pvp.

Still, every (except one) top mesmer switched away from mesmer to be more effective in the WTS. Do you know any facts, that I don’t know?

Just telling you, that the argument, that Robert is focused on pvp is wrong, otherwise the profession would not be in it’s current state (= not played at the WTS-tier).

StickerHappy.8052:

Mesmer underwhelming in pvp? Man seriously cant get enough of qqs.

Zenith.7301:

lol only thieves hardcounter mesmers. Mesmer takes a crap on everything else, if thief didn’t exist mesmer would be meta in spvp and for roaming/dueling mesmer is more than fine.

You are both totally right, every top team plays with a mesmer… oh wait… last go4cups there was only 1 mesmer on EU → Helseth
Even Misha changed to Offguard, because Mesmer is not strong enough.

Zenith.7301:

Teutos.8620:

Zenith.7301:

is what comes out of a pvp-centric class developer.

haha, 10/10, good one

Totally, all those traits in chronomancy are super useful PvE traits.

As are all the interrupt traits he revamped the mesmer with.

Currently the two most underwhelming profession in PvP are: Mesmer & Necro; so just a coincidence that they both share the same developer?
Compare that to the DH in which livestream they killed Svanir a PvP mob, and didn’t show some PvE-Boss footage

Zenith.7301:

is what comes out of a pvp-centric class developer.

haha, 10/10, good one

My personal uneducated guess: Wait for the RU-Show on Friday.

StickerHappy.8052:

People just blatantly ignored the link, which was also a higher tier tournament, and now you dare say in this current meta???

I wouldn’t consider it a “higher” tier tournament. It is basically just showing, that you can cripple yourself and still be successful.

Anyway, the thief there was not, what most people consider a venom share thief since he just used ‘Devourer Venom’ and ‘Basilisk Venom’ and switched from the standard meta build four points from Trickery to Shadow Arts.

So he is basically trading boon steal+daze+reduced steal CD for the shared immobilize venom…. if you ask any top thief, this is a really bad trade.

Kury.8210:

but don’t really know how I’m doing.

Unfortunately, since we can’t see our MMR we all have no clue how we are doing.

Are points even a good indicator?

They are an indicator, but not a good one.

With the good news, that Robert is listening to the community and reworked a part of the lackluster ‘Blood Magic’-necro-support trait line, I think it is time to get back to this thread.

Minor-Traits
Persisting Images - I like the +Health part, don’t care about Retaliation.
Protected Phantasms - CD should get removed.
Phantasmal Healing - Radius is too small.

Adept
Feedback - perfect
Mender’s Purity - The strongest trait in the whole trait. This would be my definition of a grandmaster trait.
Vigorous Revelation - At least it needs a scaling with the number of illusions shattered.

Master
Warden’s Feedback - perfect; maybe an overkill, but would love to see ‘Phantasmal Warden’ with permanent swiftness.
Restorative Illusions - maybe with aoe?
Compounding Celerity - With the requirement of three illusions up, I want to be faster than with swiftness; how about increase 10% to 13% or 14%?

Grandmaster
Shattered Conditions - not sure.
llusionary Inspiration - looks good for PvE
Temporal Enchanter - Probably best used for Portal and Veil; wouldn’t use it unless I’m in a WvW-Golem-Zerg.

Mantras
Most traits look good, or at least fine, but there is really only one trait why I’d consider this traitline: ’Mender’s Purity’ when playing with ‘mantra of recovery’. But unless the problem with ‘Deceptive Evasion’ and ‘Harmounious Mantras’ is fixed, I can’t even play with ‘mantra of recovery’ anymore.

Scaling
The biggest problem I have with the traits is scaling. F.e. ’Mender’s Purity’ is super strong with ‘Mantra of Recovery’, good with Mirror, but only ok with Ether Feast,. and lackluster with ‘Signet of the Ether’. How about adjusting the strength of the condi cleans depending on the healing skill you are using?

I have the same problem with the shatter-traits.
Let’s take ‘Shattered Conditions’ as the most problematic: 1 aoe condiremove every 13 seconds from mind wrack is ok, but in a pvp battle, the damage portion is far more important. There I have to shatter when the target is vulnerable (f.e. immobilized, no blocks up etc), not for the condi remove. Therefore I can’t really qualify the condi remove on mind wrack as ‘on demand’ but rather as random.

How about increasing the numbers of conditions removed depending on the shatter skill you are using?

strongest traits
1.) Mender’s Purity
2.) Medic’s Feedback
[Great, the (at least for me) two strongest traits are both adept :/ ]
3.) Shattered Conditions
(With focus Warden’s Feedback, and ’Signet of Inspiration for PvE)

@Sword #3: Since it bugs too often, how about: “Teleport to your target and immobilize it. Leave back a clone at your current position.”

MAN.9046:

Coming from the necro forums, it’s nice to see that there are people out there who don’t consider necro “broken” or non-viable. ’tis a pleasant change

How could I consider a profession non-viable, when it is part of the best team in NA?^^

Reuptake.5016:

btw. do devs listen to complains on forums and elsewhere, or they are ignorant like in most of the games? I mean, can you recall times when they changed something which community was QQing about?

Yes, actually a lot of times. The downside is, that they are taking their time.

The last thing they changed based on community qqing was the survival-ability of turrets (from the engineer profession). Basically the old turret-engi was not viable in top-tier (those winning the Go4Cups), since a good team could either kill him with a good coordinated burst, or out-rotate the engi; but in solo-queue and mid-tier play (normal unranked/ranked queue) the engi was too strong. Based on the players-qq, now the turrets can be killed more easily.

[On a side note: I still think this was just a interim solution. The problem, that the turrets do not scale with the stats from the engi remain. The turrets from a tanky engi now die too fast, and still deal the same amount of damage from a burst engi. Personally I think the current lifespan and damage of turrets is fine for burst engi, but for tanky engis the lifespan is too short, while the damage of the turrets remains too high.]

Reuptake.5016:

1. How much, or does it at all, give me an advantage the face that I was a high end pvp player on WoW?

Well, I would say, with that you have the basic understanding of the importance of roles, importance of traits, communication and timing.

2. I plaid Warr, Rogue, DK on WoW. Which class gameplay/style would be to these on gw2?

I’d recommend you to create every profession, and go to the Heart of the Mists. There your character get’s switched to the PvP-Mode (basically getting set to level 80). Just play around with every professions / hitting some golems there. Maybe jump into some hot-join games. This helps you understand the basics of every profession, and you might find the profession you enjoy the most.

3. What is the most broken thing in gw2 competitive pvp?

Broken? Ladder, MMR in general, mid-air-immobilize
I wouldn’t call a profession / spec ‘broken’.

4. Are we toxic, team? Compare “toxicness” in wow community vs. gw, anyone?

Less than wow and less than all the mobas; but I’d still consider pvp toxic.