Guild Wars 2

For more than a year dungeon were my eng game and i was happy. Making them faster and faster, building a team, then doing them solo. That last part took a lot of my time. Then fractal was pretty cool end-game (especially before the changed how it work). Collection are also end-game for me. I love to chase after collection, even now that most of them are done (except those Black Lion collection and that treasure one), I doing collection that don’t even exist just because I like it. Then I did WvW in a zerg bursting guild for almost a year, this was epic fun fighting and killing a zerg twice as big as us and everybody having a role of their own. For the last year, it’s PvP. Doing matches almost everyday, build a team, going after all the PvP achivement, etc.

So saying that their is no end-game is just stupid. It depend on everybody. But the game failed to create more end-game so we did the one that existed to the bones and there is nothing left. Hopefully, they gonna be able to rectify that with HoT.

Exactly what Vayne said. I guess it’s a little disappointing for us, but at the same time. Do you want Anet to recomfort you or bring more new players that will keep the game alive for years to come. I mean, most of us are kind of free buyer. Very very few of people that play gw2 and stick to the forum won’t be buying it. Of all my friend only one don’t think of buying the expansion and seriously, unless it’s really really bad, we gonna pressure him into buying it

Different thing. Sinister is actually better now on an engineer, but Bezerker is still very good.

The Drawback of temple armor like you said is when you want to salvage it. Thing like scholar rune are pretty expansive. So you if even want to change you gear stats in the future or make ascended, then you gonna lose your rune. The problem is especially harsh for profession like Warrior that use the very expensive Rune of Strength.

Also, Dungeon is a very good place to gain gold, so for most people getting an armor/weapons from there is rather easy. You can also get those same armor/weapons from PvP reward track.

You can also buy them from the TP. They are not that expansive. You can craft if, but it will be more expansive than buying them of the TP. I would only craft my exotic armor when I level up my crafting to 500. Because between 400 and 500 you want to craft exotic gear, so better to craft something you can use. The best would be a mix of different method to reach your goal faster.

SkiTz.4590:

I don’t get it.. whats the diversity and options?… those champ trains are literally just go to champ, spam autoattack, grab loot, move to next champ, repeat. There isn’t a single challenging aspect, you have no fear of dying or failing (you’ll get rezzed instantly anyways if you do) other than making sure you don’t too far behind the train, theres no challenge here lol.

hey you don’t like that kind of stuff it’s ok. I’m not a fan either. But you and me are not the only type of player that Anet need to satisfied. SW is probably one of the most popular stuff right now, and champ train was super popular back then. World Boss train? Still super popular. A bunch of people like that time of easy mindless farming. They don’t need a reason, we don’t need to defend their position, they are still doing it. More ways to do their type of content is called diversity. Maybe not the kind of diversity you like, but just a change of pace, enemy type and scenery can do wonder.

Adamantium.3682:

That’s fair enough, smaller than I thought. But does this make Toughness really worth anything with the way the game stands right now? I wouldn’t spec Toughness even for a 1% loss. Not because I’m a hardcore min maxer (I’m not) but because I just think Toughness is that worthless right now. You’re still paper against conditions and burst damage is too high right now for Toughness to stop it. Since this is a PvE thread we’ll consider boss attacks instead of PvP spikes. Toughness is not going to help your 16k health pool I don’t think.

Not worth it indeed, but it still not that big of a deal if you the additional toughness. Plenty of people can’t play full glass even if the percentage seem pretty low.

2) I don’t want mobs in PvP. Players vs Players should be Players vs Players. I would like that they divide the PvP into 3 modes, each with a couple of new maps. Team Deathmatches, Conquest and Stronghold. The least amount of E there is in PvP, the better I feel.

3) OMG yes. We are a big guild of almost 500 people and we have a hard time to create activities for the guild. We need to use creative idea because there is not much stuff in the game to do in the game with your guild.

4) The post wasn’t about endgame?? I disagree with that, but whatever. I don’t care that much.

5) I have no idea of what you are writing. Someone can translate for me?

I’m an old player and have a lot of stuff to do. But yup, more stuff is always better.

Well. I went throught Queensdale the other day with a friend and we were not in the same maps, meaning that at least one instance of the map was near full. So the map isn’t empty, that’s just not true.

New players don’t give a crap that 4-5 bosses are veteran and not champion. They won’t even notice it. So in the end I think that new players are liking it.

It doesn’t matter that new players were in minority. We can find ways to satify most people. That’s where I disagree with Anet decision to simply change QD Bosses from champion to veteran. They should had make sure that we had good champion train in other map. It would have been a great way to improve some map where nobody go normally like Brisband Widlands, Field of Ruins, etc.

SkiTz.4590:

SW chest/shovel farm is essentially the same thing as champ train….

You run in circles pressing two buttons and the reward is a champ bag…

Yes and no. They attract the same crowd, but they give diversity and option. It’s like saying why having more PvP maps, they are pretty much the same thing. Or why more than 1 dungoens, it’s pretty much the same thing.

Yup, I going after all the cultural weapons too. It’s around 8 millions karma if you start from scratch. Karma booster were a big part of my plan.

btw, it’s one of the very very few tread where almost everybody agree that it’s a bad idea from Anet. Rare occurrence.

Ardenwolfe.8590:

A thousand years ago, there used to be many low-level trains. The king, or queen, was in Queensdale itself. Back then, the zone was filled to the brim with people.

But it was also filled with nonstop complaining.

Before the nerf, most of the veteran mobs were champions. And these provided loot, levels, and achievements in a very effective way. Don’t get it twisted. The low-level trains were not nerfed because low levels complained because of some notion of a ‘ruined’ experience.

That’s the excuse ANet gave the community.

They were nerfed because people got greedy, selfish, and spoiled about killing those champions. Many a player made their names infamous ‘derailing’ the champion train and laughing about it.

And the player reports and complaints flowed in. All because they didn’t get their loot or achievements killing those champions.

That’s the real reason for the nerf to low-level trains: stupidity.

I disagree. It was a legitimate complain that this caused friction between veteran and new players in Queensdale. Where I was disappointed is that they didn’t make sure to create new Champion train elsewhere and they made Silverwaste so good that thing like Champion train became useless.

It’s 16%. Around 3.4k dps out of 20.9k total dps.

1) That remove Engineer for sure. Elementalist are easy in PvE, but you need to swap a lot of attenument in PvP.
2) If you want of of the ’’Prime’’ choice then you need to remove Necro because of PvE and Ranger, which is a good profession in all game mode, but never a really ’’Prime’’ choice.
3) Maybe remove all medium armor as they seem to have less good option in term of armor, but even that is risky because my Thief look awesome
4) All profession are equally good at that. Profession like Thief and Warrior have a mobility advantage or Guardian have the lootstick advantage, but it’s really minor.
5) That don’t exist in the game. Maybe some specific build could give you that sense, but then just don’t use that build, there is plenty other better build without that problem.

That leave 4 professions : Warrior, Thief, Mesmer and Guardian.

Like others said, guardian is probably your best shot. Very nice visually, heavy armor are usually the most beautiful. Relatively easy to play. One of the best profession overall (meaning all game mode), right behind Elementalist.

zerownrage.5913:

because they don’t seem to have the “skills” to clear the dungeon with a player in there party that is on the dungeons level and is not getting downscaled to level 35…

Or maybe they don’t want to carry you? I do that with my guildmates. But with a pug? In reality having 1 level 35 in AC won’t change a thing. Probably won’t make the dungeon longer by much or any more difficult. It’s just a question of respect for me. Ask first and respect the decision of other player, you are not alone in that content, you are with 4 other people and what they prefer count as much as what you want.

My question is what is your profession/build? And did you try to fight naked? (Chest, pants and boots give you armor in pvp).

I think that i saw knox talk about a 5% lost from using rabid instead of sinister, which isn’t too bad if you need the additional defense. What I dislike the most about rabid is that you are now totally useless on structure.

On of the reason some people prefer to go with Elixir rather than tool kit is the bug of magnet, which is pretty unreliable these days.

Yup Ranger is great at Vulnerability, Fury, Spotter, Frostspirit. With all that you boost your team damage by a good margin. You do youself a great deal of dps.

I’m playing since launch and i never had any Hoards. My friend did 150 Teq without any hoards either.

Tongku.5326:

Jerus.4350:

What do you mean stale zerk meta? Pull out those condi professions, slap some condi gear on them and have some fun, it’s not bad for a lot of professions right now.

I do.

Engi, guard, ele, but they still fall short of zerker, though not by too much. The remaining 5 professions are unfortunately horribad on their condi specs, by far. Also, inc burn nerfs cuz spvp crowd QQ, so the 3 that are almost doable now, won’t be.

Sinister Engineer and Ranger are better than Zerker. Guardian is a little bit under zerker depending on the situation. Elementalist fall shot, but not so bad. For the remaining 4 profession, they are not terribad, but still need some work. If they could balance burn vs bleed (burn is far superior than bleed), that would help a lot condition Warrior, Necro and Mesmer which all use a good amount of bleed compare to their amount of burn. That leave use with thief, which i’m not sure.

Thorwyn.8469:

The thing is, there was a thread here on the forums about this stuff, then there was a reddit thread and now, there is a forums thread again. Skady can say what she wants, but at some point it really looks like she is seeking for attention.

Really? That’s enough to irritate people these days? She created a tread to ask if people would be interested in joining her run. That tread was put on the Looking For Subforum, but a lot of people seem interested in it. So she created this tread for people that want to know more (because let’s face it, a very limited amount of people look at the Looking For subforum). And she started 1 reddit tread, which is on a totally different website. I created tread on two website before and nobody was freaking out over that. I saw people start almost identical tread in different subforum on this website and maybe 2-3 people just pointed the fact that he repeated himself. Now she start one tread to get more people in her run and another one for people to ask question and it’s like a witch hunt.

Hey if she start another tread about the same subject ya I could agree with that idea. But right now, she done nothing wrong. Can it be that there is a little hate about the subject and people are trying to find reason to be upset?

EcoRI.9273:

People tend to have selective memory. They average their runs with their best runs and not their actual average runs.

Don’t do that please Say it clearly. Are you asking if their 25-30min is their best time ever and that most of the time their average is a lot higher. High enough that it would invalidate the point that their run is both smooth and quick (even if not as quick as full zerker). Are you implying that most of their run take 45min-1hours?

What are you trying to half say exactly.

EcoRI.9273:

Officially running range shortbow thief and PTV guardian is the most effective way of running marathon fotm 50s. Proof: [KING] fotm tourney. That is fact everything else is just made up as there is no evidence to suggest berserker is better in marathon fotm runs.

Are you implying that anyone here said that using a Cleric Guardian in a trio fractal is a most effective way of running anything? We just said that it’s a good and smooth option. Nothing about most effective or anything like that.

Element Two.7316:

Regardless of whether you understand what a hyperbole is or not, surely even you must agree that this thead serves so real purpose?

Hyperbole doesn’t mean inventing fact from scratch.

And no I disagree, this thread need more publicity. A good proportion of the dungeon community are becoming metabattle drones these days. They need to be constantly reassure that their way is the best and freak out each second someone talk about something else. Even if they did it while walking on eggshell and said multiple time that they know their way isn’t optimal and can still work ok.

There is stuff outside the meta that are still good even if they are not optimal.

dlonie.6547:

You and your kittening facts…Will you knock it off already? People are trying to be snarky and outraged here! How else can we let everyone know how big and hairy our balls are?

I know i’m sorry

Jerus.4350:

We’ve been given video evidence to the claims we all often make that defensive gear makes the game easy and has plenty of power to it. Instead people froth at the mouth a little and decide to bash it.

IKR. This is unbelievable. People see 30min Fractal in trio and since there is a cleric guardian in it, they bash it like it was twice as long since there is a cleric guardian in it. Most 5 man pugs do fractal in 30-45min, while record run are usually around 20min with 5 people.

SkullProX.7083:

Thanks, i will wait for the ones i need then

If i reach the max level in PvP, do i still get a rank-up chest if i level up again?

Yes you do.

For the Black Lion skins. We never know when they will return. But if you want skin like Scientific, Balthazar, Shadow, Mordrem, Pact Fleet, Tempest or Chaos, you better buy them now. They were 1 ticket not so long ago and probably won’t be available at 1 ticket for a long time (maybe a year or something like that). So they will go higher and higher in price.

EcoRI.9273:

Just because reddit does reposts of the same topic and get thousands of karma doesnt mean its the right thing to do. I mean look at all the people in those threads complaining that its a repost. I mean there is possibly no way people have missed reading the old threads am i right?

But this isn’t a repost. Where people get that. Look at her post history. She created 2 tread in the last 2 months. The first was to search for more people to do run with her and this one. This repost / 12h post is freaking bullkitten. People are really so mad about her talking about that, that they make kitten up? Just wow.

The thing is condition is optimal in some situation for PvE. Ranger and Engineer are both better in Sinister than in Bezerker. Engineer only for 14sec or more fight, but that include the majority of fight unless you do record run.

And the reason why not much other profession are great in Sinister is mostly because Burning is so much better than Bleed. If they could balance that out, profession like Warrior, which rely on a lot of bleed, would before a lot better with condition damage in PvE.

But ya, they could do a lot of different thing to make condition more on par with direct damage.

mrstealth.6701:

The concept is commonly called “there ain’t no such thing as a free lunch”

There is no “free” when it comes to business. Everything has a cost/value. Anything that appears to be free has its cost calculated and absorbed elsewhere.

If the game were really free, Anet would have no issues giving all of us existing players a core game key to gift or make an extra account with.

The core game isn’t free. But Anet is ready to give it free to players that buy their expansion because it’s marketing and it will give them more revenue by doing so. But it’s a really bad PR.

I’m not sure Galen Grey. I’m a fan of gw2 and pre-purchased right away because I knew I would buy it whatever they gave us. That said, they didn’t gave us that much information about the expansion so far. It could be small or big and we just don’t have enough info to know that.

Masteries : It could be like you said. But from what I saw and heard, it take around 1 hours to level one mastery. Which mean that in less than 40 hours you could unlock everything and poof just like that no more progression. If you add all the experience bonus, most people will finish that in 2 weeks/1 month.

Guild Halls : Yes it’s big, but it can very easily end up only to be a crafting/bank spot for the guild. We don’t really know if all those build will be really useful/interesting to use.

PvP : I’m actually hype by the league, but stronghold is a terrible disappointement. What if you only get 1 new map for 1 new (bad imo) mode. That’s very very low amount of content.

QoL : Those are nice, but we were getting them for free with the Living World so… What is important is content.

Fractal : This could be nice, but will they add new islands? new bosses? Will the instability be nice or just like the instability we have now we’ll choose the easiest and forget about 99% of them. We could just level up to 100 under a month and then do the same fractal over and over like we do now.

4 Maps : It could be more than 4 maps, we don’t really know. But it seem to be only 4 maps. Even there. It could be 4 maps of 3 complete layers that actually have the content of 8-12 maps. Or it could be 4 maps, with just some small portion in the other 2 layers and really be like 5 maps at best.

So yes, people can claim that what we know so far isn,t worth the price because it’s not right now. They didn’t announced everything and everything they announced, they never went deep except for the Elite specialization.

Right now, what they announced isn,t worth 50$, but it could because I think they only gave us a small sip of each content.

Like Renny said, celestial is not a good idea on engineer these days.

You now have access to less burning, which is the most important condition for damage. Condition need more stats to be as effective as before. Celestial is good on Necro and Elementalist because they have build that give a good amount of might. Engineer used to be like that but not anymore. The might was nerf, the Sigil of Battle was nerf, and this leave you with limited amout of might. Not enough for your condition to be threatening.

So with less conditions and with conditions that hit not as hard as they used to, celestial doesn’t really have a good position on the engineer right now. It’s especially not worth it in WvW where it can be costly and long to craft celestial stuff.

You press ’’H’’ to get into your Hero Panel. Then you can go on the Training Tab to train Skills and Specialisation. But I think you can’t train until level 10-11 or something like that.

If you only want to level your Mesmer you can do the dungeon with one of your level 80 and then swap at the boss to your mesmer so he can get the XP.

Element Two.7316:

Of all the people to ask that too heh. I think you’re seriously overestimating the amount of skill required to trio 50 and underestimating the amount of people who do it. As many people solo/duo/trio 50 nowadays as people were solo/duo/trio’ing Arah in 2013/4.

I don’t overestimating the amount of skill required to trio 50. I know exactly what it is. Maybe you oversetimating the skills of players in general. My points is that for most people running 1 Cleric Guardian + 2 DPS or 3 DPS won’t make much difference in running time. In dungeon, fractal with 5 people the cleric guardian don’t help your team much, but at a trio fractal 50 it start to help the team go faster. It’s not optimal, but it’s a good setup. Opposed to in dungeon, where this kind of setup have no purpose.

Neko.9021:

Do people really need survivable gear to do stuff easily ever since the Great Power Creep Patch of June 2015?

bladex.9502:

Now you’re just doing it for attention…
Also, you’re talking about “best option DPS wise” while running healer guard? If there was anything that would be the best option DPS wise, it would be you getting rid of your clerics gear

Amicable Pugs.4503:

So basically this “Healing Guard” setup is for bad people.

How many of those people EVER did a full trio Fractal 50? I really really want to know. I specifically point at you 3 and ask you if you ever did a trio fractal 50. Or are you just talking about this like she was speaking about CoF Path 1 with a group 5. Now try to do it in 30min or less. Some people are able, the majority ain’t.

Trio Fractal 50 isn’t as easy as most of the game.

Element Two.7316:

dlonie.6547:

Skady is just sharing the recipe that works for them.

Yea we know, this is like the 12th kittening thread about it

Really 12th? Why the hate. I saw 3 maybe 4 of her post. Why is it too much? You don’t need to read it if you don’t want.

kmark.8519:

So after the relatively easily atteinable exotic gear, the next step is the superlong craftable/randomgenerated ascended gear?! There is nothing inbetween? And why do I need ascended gear if I can do the current content happily in my exotic gear?

It’s not random generated as much now. Before, it was ludicrous to try to get a full armor from drop. But I just did it since you can change the stats of your ascended armor/weapons. I’m not saying that there is no randomness, but doing fractal 50 on a regular basis will give you a armor in not that much time.

For the craft, it’s superlong, but it’s not much work. It’s mostly daily crafting.

Blade.8497:

One thing is sure SW is fastest way make gold in this game. If you get bored SW you can go make gold eotm, cursed shore, dungeons and many other way.

Nope. Maybe during the first months when the stuff we dropped in silverwaste were selling for a lot more, but now? I do a lot more gold per hours in dungeon with my team or key farming.

SW is the easiest way to get the most gold. If you don’t know the market well or can’t do speed run other than with pugs, then it’s probably your best shot.

Exactly. Healing power is already powerful. It’s the current content that make is not really useful.

Something that not much people talk about. Silverwaste drop mostly crafting material. That’s where the money come from. After almost a year of farming in silverwaste, these crafting material are just dropping and dropping in price. We used to do 15-20 gold per hour on average there. But not anymore. We had a lot of drop research in the first months of silverwaste, but not a lot since. It would be interesting to do the exercise.

No those are different. The difference in price from list and sell instantly is about what people are ready to offer. People can make a buy order that’s gonna cost less gold and those offer are filled by people that want to sell immediately for less. Or you can make a sell offer that is higher but you gonna need to wait for someone ready to pay that price to have the item right away.

So patient seller sell to impatient buyer and impatient seller sell to patient buyer

NikeEU.7690:

Why Clerics instead of Celestial, which is better for the job in every respect?

How would it be better? Maybe the dps would be better, but the the amount of condition on that type of guard I doudt it. But the healing and toughness helping with agro would be smaller. I’m not saying that you are wrong, I’m just not sure.

JUN YANG.4328:

well they used to tell us will have legendary armor… where is it now???

They never ever said that. They said that new legendary weapons and legendary item would be coming and then they kitten it up because they changed twice the method. They wanted to make a scavenger hunt first, then swapped to crafting, then to the mastery/collection/crafting system that we will have with the expansion. But really, when they announced it, they said that it’s something they were working on at an early stage. That was a mistake and it’s one of the reason why Anet stopped giving much information about what they are doing before they are ready.

For the topic. I doubt that the expansion will be released after 2015. My guess is that release Warrior this week, after that it’s PAX Prime where they gonna revealed the challenging group content and maybe the expansion release. After that they will have 3 more elite to release, which put us on the week of 14 September. They could have the last Beta Weekend Event on september 19 or 26. Then a months later the expansion release around the end of october. IMO this is the earliest we could have the expansion. So anywhere between end of october and end of december.

When you sell something you gonna only receive 85% of the price the guy paid for.

You have the listing fee (5% of the total selling price) that amount will be took from your wallet and is nonrefundable if you decide to not sell the item later.

And you also have a exchange or selling fee (10% of the total selling price) that amount is taken from the amount of gold you gonna receive from the sell.

Both the listing and exchange fee are written when you sell an item. But only the exchange fee is taken into account on the big number in the middle of the screen because that’s the amount of gold you gonna receive and the listing fee have nothing to do with that.

BrokenGlass.9356:

I appreciate your realism here, but I’m spitballing ideas as a small part of a larger fix to the game. I didn’t title this thread “the one small fix that will make everyone’s every complaint disappear!” nor did I say that this change will make everyone always want to bring a Healing spec whatever.

and… errr…. of all the classes that can do that without ‘Healing Power’ guardian tops the list.

I continue to think that we misunderstand your tread or what you try to accomplish or what is your solution exactly. The thing your not the first one to propose that exact same ’’solution’’ and you won’t be the first. And they all say the same thing at the end. They all say that we don’t understand what they are trying to do.

In the end, the facts stay the facts like LTREEVEY.2348 said, healing power will never be part of the meta unless you completely change the way the game work and it’s our opinion that changing the game as much as it need to be done to achieve that isn’t a good idea. Especially, since most of us don’t really want healing power to be meta. Why? Because we are convinced that any way healing power because meta will mean that active defense isn’t strong enough to be good and not really worth taking (like Healing power right now). And for use Active defense is a lot lot lot lot lot more fun and interesting to play. It doesn’t mean that we don’t want healing power to be decent. Pass that point, that’s my personal opinion.

Healing power is actually more than decent right now. You just have to look at trio fractal with Skady Valda. It work super well in a hard situation and right now the only hard situation is fractal 50 with only 3 people. Even then it will be faster to run 3 zerkers, but it will be more dangerous to wipe. Taking a healing guardian with 2 zerker make the run a lot smoother. So imagine if you crap up the difficult of any new content so that it’s as challenging but with a full party. You’ll start to see some healing or more tanky build because the vast majority of player won’t be able to complete the content in a full zerker team without wiping a couple time. But full zerker with active defense will still be the most optimal way of player and great team will continue to use that method.

Healing Power could also use some rebalance, especially for outgoing healing. Maybe more skill that heal your team and some healing power ratio are really bad.

Could be nice, especially for casual player. Not everybody like fractals and a lot of player are in small guild with friend and can’t do guild missions on a regular basis. For them ascended accessories and rings are a lot more costly so being able to swap stats without rebuying them would a great qualify of life. Anyway, if that happen it shouldn’t be by throwing 4 rings into the MF. That method only make sense for rings that you accumulate in fractal. Like I said, the main focus of that should be people that don’t do guild missions, fractals, or both.

dlonie.6547:

Heh, yeah, those builds are about as anti-meta as they come, for sure :P But hey, innocent until proven guilty, eh?

He’s like over a dead boby with a knife in his hand. That look pretty suspicious if you ask me

PorceleinEve.2973:

Thaddeus.4891:

So your point is unless you are profession in a competitive activity you shouldn’t try to better yourself and nobody should reward the skill or dedication of someone?

If you want to better yourself, to be honest, open a book, get an education, do something nice for your fellow man, travel to tibet and meditate with the dalay lama, start eating healthy, exercise, donate money to charity, etc etc

If you seek rewards for bettering yourself you’re missing the point of the bettering.

Yes yes I know, you didn’t mean it like that. But then again, maybe i didn’t mean it like that either…

True, but you forget something really really important. I’m lazy.

If he’s serious great to see someone trying to find like minded people and not just hate people that don’t wanna play like he does. But I can’t believe it’s genuine. Look at his build. It’s like someone which decent knowledge about the game purposely try to found the most horrible build possible.

This feel like an elaborate troll tread.

It’s old new. We had that image for several months already.

PaxTheGreatOne.9472:

No Dinks That’s called Debuffing and Booning, and some general utility,

And? They are still support. Support for me include all debuff, boons, reflect, condition removal and Healing. It’s just that one of those is weaker than the others.

Exedore.6320:

Categorizing heals and elites was a bad idea. The ones which were changed across all professions are still underused or in rare cases became too strong (Rampage). Like Silhouette.5631 said, by categorizing the skills, it makes the skill weaker if you don’t have the trait for that skill type.

I disagree with that. A lot of elite and heals are better off in a category and I hope they make that oven wider in the future. I want more synergy with runes and trait. But forcing skill into category they don’t fix isn’t good either. Shelter is so powerful that 90% of any guardian build use it whatever the gamestyle. It’s like the Engi Turret or Warrior Healing Signet. Putting it in a category wouldn’t be good for the game.