OK, I read the rest now, there are some pretty good ideas in that post. But still, no to the “nerf everyone but guardian”. It’s literally the only class that has been a mandatory team member for every viable PvP match since launch, and it isn’t all because of one build. It is at least half a culprit in bringing about the current meta, thanks to his “I lol at power damage” stance.
Oh, so it once was working that way, but then they changed it? That’s good to know, thanks.
The wiki is a copy-paste on a year-old reddit post that has since been made obsolete, as far as I know.
You can write all-caps as much as you like until you learn to have an adult discussion I’m not really interested.
Brilliant conversation stopper.
You lose. Good day, sir.
I don’t see how Power and Condition Damage have diminishing returns, could you please explain that?
Classes should not rely on CC to hit things, that is just bad design.
They designed the warrior that way, and i dont see that they are going to redisign it, so if they listen to all the patethic cryes of people that can no use a single stun break then the warrior will stay useless forever because they like i said not going to rework the class.
About the sigil of paralysation:
If you use 2 sigils of paralysation that is 3.90 seconds… where is the problem again?
It doesnt stack.
It stacks actually is like every other permanet sigil like 5% more damage and crit chance.
Those two don’t stack.
Thank them for the service of leveling you.
Then report them for the service of hacking.
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I’m sorry, I lost it at “nerf everyone but guardians”
I don’t buy the “it detracts from our jobs” argument. Seriously, how long does it take to respondto a question? How large does a post have to get in order to contain a small “we plan to bla bla” list?
Yes, I am aware that every communique needs to go through some sort of a PR department, but the PR department is not working on the balance changes, it does PR.
No.
No it was not fun.
Ten alts, not a single worthwhile mini.
Friend has one, literally one character. Zhu and MOX. Yeah. RNG is NOT good, especially with things you only have a single shot at, and especially if the difference between results is ~the cost of a Legendary.
If something is too strong, it doesn’t matter if it is intended design or not. A nerf is a reduction in overall power, and this needs it.
But then again, a mere 15% increase does seem a bit short on pretty much all short-duration stuns. “Look at” is the best term, yes.
If dungeons and content had a better way of forcing light to moderate damage on players without feeling unfair or like being cheated, toughness and healing power might gain more value because they’d become essential to some degree. But I’m not even sure that would be possible: ArenaNet has made a big emphasis on player skill and coordination being an adequate defense, for better or worse.
This. I hope to see this so much.
Ironically conditions are superlatively strong in PvP precisely because you only need one stat to make it effective, meaning you have two left completely free.
This nonsense AGAIN? Will you never give up?
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@The Boz – Not sure if you missed my previous post, where I state that the idea is good. It also looks like you missed the ’ ’ I put around ‘force’ because I wasn’t saying it forces anyone but that “it forces me to buy characters” would be a likely excuse from those that don’t like it.
Sorry, I wrote that post then forgot to hit submit while I went and had dinner, so it came in a bit late :p
The only issue with that is it would ‘force’ people to buy character slots they might not really want to get just to get those extra points.
..yeah, the same way the game is FORCING players into WvW to grab the Dolyak Slayer achievement.
You take the pistol instead of the rocket launcher because you can use it in cramped areas, don’t have to worry about back-blast, have more than one shot, and don’t feel like lugging around a twenty pound metal beam.
But, as it can be seen, not everyone knows about the downsides.
Terror isn’t a condition. Fear is a condition. If it switched places with Dhuumfire, it would no longer be in the condition damage tree. The primary intent of that is to make power necromancer builds viable, while taking away the damage stunlock from the condition pressure build.
But thanks for misunderstanding.
Remove the burning. Replace it with 3s torment, 1s ICD. Swap the trait’s place with that of Terror. Make Terror fueled by Power instead of Condition Damage.
There. I have just fixed the Necro, removed the QQ, but kept stuff viable. Go me.
The Zaishen PvP training islands from Guild Wars would really fit well here…
I lost a 3v1, but I was clearly the best player of the four. Nerf them, please?
You can’t be serious with this post…
“You can get hit by a billion condis and just clenase it up.”
This wasn’t what I expected this thread to be at all.
+1 to you, good sir.
The Final Solution
But what do we do about ze Juden?
Agreed.
You know what game has a real, balanced meta?SWTOR.
Hate on it all you want, but everything that GW2 is lacking, SWTOR has.
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Wait, you’re serious?
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There is but one such skill.
Passively, it gives 1 adrenaline every 3 seconds. That is one adrenaline, not one bar; one tenth of one bar. With a trait, it also gives 40 precision.
The active gives five stacks of might, fury, and swiftness for thirty seconds. While on cooldown, the passive effect does not work. With a trait, the 60s cooldown can be reduced by 20%.
I fail to see how the active effect is as powerful as other elites, or how the total effect is more powerful than other elites.
That was real mature, thank you for your input.
Please quote yourself countering my argument, I’d like to see it.
Note: Saying “Nuh-uh!” does not constitute a counter-argument.
If anything i should be reporting you for spread lies on the forums.
You are yet to counter a single one of my arguments.
In this very post, you ignored the entirety of my input and once again claimed that condition damage requires only Condition Damage in order to work, which is flat out wrong.
On comparable bases; ranged vs ranged, melee vs melee, multi-target vs multi-target. Go to the mists with a naked necro and a naked warrior. Equip a scepter on the necro and a longbow on the warrior. Observe the expected damage of autoattack on both. Then, equip a primary condition damage amulet with no power on the necro, and equip a primary power amulet on the warrior. Observe the expected damage.
And what I am doing here is proper mathematical study, something you people (Hawatak, Fenrir, et al) seem quite keen not to do, instead using phrases like “deals too many damages”, “needs only one stat”, “has no counter”, etc.
Not using a skill is mindless spam? How are you spamming the not-use of a skill?
Behold, I am now spamming not-murder. What a mindless bloke I am…
The passive effect of signet elites are a trade-off. Do I want a smaller effect active all the time, and use it when I need to for a slightly larger effect, or do I want to use something that can dramatically alter a situation, but becomes unavailable for longer afterward?
I fail to see how one is “more spammy” or “less attentive” than the other.
Fenrir, your entire post is full of misinformation. I hope they are accidents.
Power damage gets more damage with Power. Condition damage gets more damage with Condition Damage. Mathematically, Power influences power damage slightly harder than Condition Damage improves condition damage.
You don’t need Precision or Critical Damage for better power damage. But you would do well to take some.
Similarly, condition damage doesn’t need Precision or Condition Duration for better condition damage. But a player would do well to take some. The big difference here is that, when compared with Critical Damage, Condition Duration doesn’t get gear stats, and is capped at 100%.
Do you even math?
Noone ever said vitality reduces condition damage.
I love it when people back up any hare-brained idea of theirs with “promotes build diversity and competitive gameplay”.
Here’s a counterargument: No it doesn’t.
First you need to clearly define the limits between magic and science.
Tapping magic as a source of power that can be reliably used to fuel fireballs, spark life into flesh and bones, or create vivid images is not at all different from doing science.
The fact that some players have defeated Liadri says she can be defeated. The fact that many players are complaining that she’s an unfair fight says that defeating her requires skill.
The fact that some people have managed to pick out an ace on their first blind draw out of a deck of cards says that it is possible. The fact that many players are complaining that it is an unfair game says that drawing the ace requires skill.
Your logic in a nutshell.
Look, I’m all for challenging content, but not for content that punishes harshly and randomly (random illusion spawn instantly downs), obviates entire class mechanics (necromancer, ranger, mesmer), or is bugged to hell and back (the orbs being obstructed). The fact that you can die literally four seconds after entering the arena just exacerbates the issue.
You should keep in mind that a necro’s standard autoattack bleed, in a condition spec, hits as hard as a warrior’s longbow autoattack in a power spec (power only, without precision or critical damage).
The advantages are that it ignores all boons and static defenses, and not being a projectile attack with a trajectory.
The drawbacks are doing the damage over a short period of time (5-6s are the most common numbers) and being cleanseable.
I still fail to see the inherent overpoweredness of conditions in general.
I am still unconvinced of that. And saying condition damage is lazy, inattentive gameplay reeks of lack of skill.
I see no reason why not.
inb4 some daft “pro” player comes in with an argument like “this is a bad idea, it lowers skill ceiling” or something like that.
Vitality doesn’t reduce condition damage. It is still a soft counter to it, as it increases the time to kill. It also works against power damage, so the effectiveness is somewhat split. Additionally, before taking healing into account, equal amounts of vitality and toughness add equal amounts of EHP.
And, again, the point of conditions is to offer a sustained, steady damage source that, once it lands, bypasses all defenses.
ANet has no control over the gem market, it’s completely player driven.
Saying this is very near-sighted.
“Every time someone uses your or you’re wrong, I kill a kitten! But I have no control over this, the lives of the kittens are entirely in your hands!”
See how that doesn’t work?
It would also fit the sylvari theme and the wyld hunt and everything. I honestly can not believe that it didn’t happen that way.
Yeah, the orb and the rings don’t kill me any more, but it is infuriating when I get randomly downed while the boss is at 30% HP or something. I quit precisely because the camera doesn’t even allow me to count the number of illusions spawned or killed or their locations when they don’t instagib-on-spawn.
Seriously? A boss that randomly downs you (not talking about the ring attack) is a well thought-out challenging encounter to you?
It never randomly downs you.
Illusions spawn in a pattern I am yet to predict, without prior warning, and they down you when they touch you. Illusion spawning on you will down you instantly, no warning.
I was expecting Treehorn to die in the end and self-sacrifice into some sort of grove-like growth that would counteract Zhaitan’s influence and finally allow you to kill the dragon…
What I got was another Kormir, but worse. Disappoint.
Seriously? A boss that randomly downs you (not talking about the ring attack) is a well thought-out challenging encounter to you?
Lolno.
Once again, conditions, as a concept, are fine. Stop messing with it.
Also, zerker already gets the most stats, next to celestial. Stop making it better than anything else.
On a side note, imagine a crit from a high condition damage/precision/crit damage burn?
How would you achieve this condition damage, precision, critical damage stat combination?
Anet never rewards players for the right reasons. Should have learnt by now
Or, perhaps it could be said that people are more than a bit hasty in disposing of what they consider junk.
I didn’t consider my support tokens junk. I used them for what they were intended. And apparently I shouldn’t have…
If you used them for their intended purpose, how did you loose? Even if you voted for Gnashblade, they got used exactly for their intended purpose. The ability to sell them afterwards was probably intended as a way to get them out of circulation. Even if you have stacks of buttons, there isn’t any reason not to hold on to them. Heck sometime down the road you could be walking with a portrait beside your head and leave all the noobs wondering how you pulled the trick off.
If you used them for their “intended purpose”, you LOST BY NOT USING THEM FOR THEIR “INTENDED PURPOSE” AND SELLING THEM INSTEAD.
How is this a difficult concept?
Allowing conditions to crit fixes anything how? Most conditions builds are running Rabid amulet already, so they have a decently high crit chance. It just further hurts hybrids or power builds that pick up a little extra damage from conditions.
It would be also reduced by toughness/protection.
…so the entire POINT of condition damage (steady, reliable damage that bypasses passive defenses) would be entirely lost?
Why would anyone choose to do damage slowly if they can do it fast?
It’s a very simple issue here. A full gear amount of secondary vitality or toughness will increase your survivability by ~33% in most cases. Precision is about as effective, as a full gear’s worth of secondary precision without added power will increase your DPS by just shy of 25%. A full gear amount of secondary power, however, will almost double your damage output.
And also, while there are TWO purely offensive amulets in the game (zerk, rampager), there is no pure tank (vitality, toughness, healing) or sustain (toughness, healing, boon duration) combination.
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95+% if you:
- pop a 50% bonus (Karma Booster, Kite Fortune or Communal Bonfire, these do not stack with each other, but do with other effects)
- use a 15% Karmic Infusion
- pop a 15% Guild bonus for 24 hours
- pop a 10% Guild banner (Karma & Experience or Heroes banner, these do not stack with each other, but do with other effects)
- pop a 5% consumable (Ice Cream or Karkachocolate Bar, these do not stack with each other, but do with other effects)
- have an unknown, small % account bonus from achievement points