Guild Wars 2

Leo G.4501:

The Greyhawk.9107:

Ashantara.8731:

The Greyhawk.9107:

I’ve a question for those of you that are saying that the game is sexist for having some ‘skimpy’ armors for females: what do you say to female players, regardless of their own real life proclivity, that want there to be these types of armors for their female characters?

That is not the point here. The point it (a) to have alternatives, and (b) to have equality by providing the same amount of bare skinned armor sets for male characters.

Which part of what the OP explained clearly did you not understand?

Am I not allowed to ask a question? Particularly one that is in line with the overall theme of this thread? Since when do any forums threads not deviate slightly as the conversation moves forward? And in your case, why does the inclusion of some (and lets be honest, its not a lot in this game) so called skimpy outfits that you’ve deemed ‘sexist’ not also add to ‘having alternatives’? And (stated mostly to prevent someone from implying it) have I said I"d be against so called “equality” of armor types? I came from Gw1, we had dudes going around in speedos and tattoos as armor.

Haha no one wants to be caught holding the Politics Potato yet can’t seem to hold an argument without resorting to it. I’m not sure why the whole sexist argument was used in the first place but with regards to equality and sex, I don’t believe people in fact want equality at all. They want their female characters to look like females and their male characters to look like males. The amount of players that want their male characters to look like women is likely small and the amount of players who want their female characters to look like men are likely just as small.

There are a lot of sources on the topic, where a society has more freedom and choices, you have a larger divide between sex, not a smaller one. That isn’t to say just make all females wear dresses and all males wear full-body plate, but the argument about things being sexist or not tend to fall on the grounds of ‘not’, at least in the context of this thread.

And tattoo armor would be amazing and likely very easy to mix and match with other armor parts.

Quite possibly why it was so popular in gw1, though most likely impossible to implement in gw2 thanks to charr fur, Norn already having tats, and the sylvari…..sylvari-ness.

And I’ll have to remember “Politics Potato”.

Tanner Blackfeather.6509:

Sign me up for some gw1 leather armor!
Some of the Factions design would be wonderful, like
https://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Ranger_Elite_Canthan_armor
https://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Ranger_Elite_Kurzick_armor
https://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Gallery_of_male_assassin_Elite_Canthan_armor

But also some Nightfall, like
https://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Ranger_Primeval_armor
https://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Assassin_Vabbian_armor

Ohhhh, what I wouldn’t give to have Sin Vabbian armor again.

quietonewisp.4316:

If we have skimpy armour for ladies, it’s only fair we have skimpy armour for men. And if the Devs need any help, I’d suggest popping over to bikinibattlearmourdamage on tumblr.

Heya, uhh, ya got any sources for ideas that, you know, aren’t tumblr? Just, you know, ’cause…tumblr.

Ashantara.8731:

The Greyhawk.9107:

I’ve a question for those of you that are saying that the game is sexist for having some ‘skimpy’ armors for females: what do you say to female players, regardless of their own real life proclivity, that want there to be these types of armors for their female characters?

That is not the point here. The point it (a) to have alternatives, and (b) to have equality by providing the same amount of bare skinned armor sets for male characters.

Which part of what the OP explained clearly did you not understand?

Am I not allowed to ask a question? Particularly one that is in line with the overall theme of this thread? Since when do any forums threads not deviate slightly as the conversation moves forward? And in your case, why does the inclusion of some (and lets be honest, its not a lot in this game) so called skimpy outfits that you’ve deemed ‘sexist’ not also add to ‘having alternatives’? And (stated mostly to prevent someone from implying it) have I said I"d be against so called “equality” of armor types? I came from Gw1, we had dudes going around in speedos and tattoos as armor.

Ashantara.8731:

The Greyhawk.9107:

Ashantara.8731:

The armor choices for females are just awfully sexist or overly “femme” (which doesn’t fit an adventurer)!

Sorry, but, who are you to decide who or what fits an ‘adventurer’?

I did not “decide” anything, I voiced my opinion as a woman and as someone who has played a lot of RPGs (not just electronic ones).

With due respect, you’ve not been speaking to us as such.

Ashantara.8731:

The armor choices for females are just awfully sexist or overly “femme” (which doesn’t fit an adventurer)!

Sorry, but, who are you to decide who or what fits an ‘adventurer’?

Henry.5713:

The engine is pretty outdated, indeed. Like people already mentioned, a modified version of the GW1 engine which was already outdated five years ago when the game got released.
Considering all of this, the optimization isn’t actually terrible. It could be better of course. Much better even.

Let’s see whether PoF ends up being a big success or not. This might make the move to a new engine seem worth the effort and investment. All though, it will most likely take a few more years until they consider it given the amount of money it would cost.

Provide improvements, maybe. Switch to an entirely new engine? No. Nor should you honestly expect them to.

At this point even I, someone who loves trench coat and duster style armors, am getting really tired of the lack of variation in armors. And I absolutely think that more Gw1 based armors absolutely SHOULD be introduced to the game…obviously not all of them were winners but in the years since the last armor was released somethings changed at Anet, and not really for the better.
Come to think of it, most of the better armors for Gw2 (at least in my opinion) came out during release…could it have been Kekai Kotaki’s influence? He left just a couple months before launch so much was what was in game at that time could/would have had his influence.

How is this Lore?

I’ve a question for those of you that are saying that the game is sexist for having some ‘skimpy’ armors for females: what do you say to female players, regardless of their own real life proclivity, that want there to be these types of armors for their female characters? Over the years I’ve asked of the many female gamers I’ve met, particularly in both gw1 and gw2, whether they’d life for ‘skimpy’ armors to be done away with completely. And almost without exception the answer has been an emphatic Kitten No (with only one exception that comes to mind of an older gamer that would only make Asura). I mean, if its something women also want, is it still sexist?

VampyreSix.8316:

This thread is a reminder that not everyone can afford some gems and are mad at other peoples toys. Nothing really to see here.

That has to be the lamest thing I’ve seen on this forum, and I’ve seen some doozys. “Herrderr, these people that find some in game items to be an eye sore are just kitten poor peasants that can’t even afford a ten dollar pair of oversized wings, has nothing to do with having an actual subjective opinion of the games art style.”

Gpe.3684:

PaxTheGreatOne.9472:

STIHL.2489:

well in GW2, you have choices.

You can:

• Pointlessly Grind Legendary Weapons.
• Pointlessly Grind Raids.
• Pointlessly Grind Fractals.
• Pointlessly Grind PvP Rewards.
• Pointlessly Grind WvW Rewards.
• Pointlessly Grind Legendary Back Items.
• Pointlessly Grind legendary Armor.
• Screw around and not make any real in game progress.

You forget

• Pointlessly farm dyes
• Pointlessly farm skins
• Pointlessly Grind Legendary Trinket
• Pointlessly Grind Ascended Gear
• Pointlessly start new Alts
• Pointlessly farm new gear for new Alts, and after balance patches of course.
• Pointlessly farm Specialisations and Masteries on new alts
• Pointlessly do Collections
• Pointlessly do Collections hidden by former Collections
• Pointlessly cap a Guildhall
• Pointlessly fill your GuildHall and Personal instance with cats, nodes, and all kinds of other trivia
• Pointlessly grind AP

And some more stuff….

But remember:

It’s all pointless anyways that’s precise teh reason to be here, to pointlessly add time to the pointless timesink.

Pointless timesink = The reason for a Game to exist!

If it had a point it c-/would be playing for money, either by being a sport or gambling which are both simulated but not really here, so you know why it’s pointless.

IT IS GREAT FUN HOWEVER!

But you guys keep forgetting that the game isnt pointless, the life is pointless, we live for a couple of years then die, and no one cares about us anymore, so what ever we do in those years is pointless. So you realy shouldnt think about that its pointless, cuz everything is pointless anyways.

Someones off their zoloft….

Ayumi Spender.1082:

Charrbeque.8729:

Theege.9783:

That’s something I’m starting to notice too. Most of my female characters are medium/heavy, so it’s only after really getting in to Necro that I’m finding very few skins for the sensible soul reaper. What’s up with that?
What really sucked was the awesome looking vigil honor thing for males turning into the terrible tube tob for females.

Here is my reaper:
Furocious Cat Ears
Diviner Mantle (will be replaced with Nightfury someday if I can ever finish it)
Incarnate Vest
Chaos Gloves
Acolyte Pants
Triumphant Footgear

Bloodstone Scepter, Dagger, and Greatsword

And Black Feather Wings for the back.

Yeah, but the problem I have with that bottom is look at the belt/waist. It seems to have only been made just for it’s top as the belt is outside the body’s form.

Maybe its just a really thick belt?

Ariurotl.3718:

Yeah, selectively turning off the backpacks on other players is a feature I never knew I wanted before they introduced the black/white wings and suddenly everyone and their fashion-challenged grandma was wearing the useless tacky things. I’m very much in favor of adding such an option specifically for backpacks. Sure, there’s an option to just turn off everything and have everyone wear the default outfit, but that’s just too much of a swing in the opposite direction imo.

Agreed.

Rikkagin.9472:

For quite some time after launch people would post on the forums requesting raiding, WoW style, instanced hard content. In each thread there would be those in favour, listing all the reasons why it should be added, and those against saying it would be a waste of time, they’d rather have dev time used elsewhere. There was even a thread in which a dev posted saying that if raids were added they would NOT be like WoW, but that Anet would put there there own spin on it. Yet a year later raids came with HoT, WoW style, and are here to stay.

The same thing mounts. There is even a thread about mounts, active until a month ago:
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/gw2/Mounts-merged/page/41
in which players were expressing themselves pretty much exactly as in this thread. Yet mounts were added.

There probably threads about adding harder content, making mobs more difficult, large scale meta events etc. before HoT was realeased. look what happened.

The opinion of a few forums posters will not influence Anet one way of the other, only the financial cost/risk Vs potential profit from adding such feature.

Yeah, pretty much.

Healix.5819:

The Greyhawk.9107:

They fly in the face of what Anet said they would never do in GW2: raise the level cap." they never actually said that. Unless you have a link to prove me wrong.

Prior to the original launch, Colin talked about raising the level cap one day:
https://www.reddit.com/r/Guildwars2/comments/tx1us/colin_johanssonwe_absolutely_would_increase_the/

With HoT however, he said they’d never do it:
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2015-01-29-guild-wars-2-heart-of-thorns-expansion-level-cap-gear-tier

So basically they, or Colin specifically, Flip-flopped.

Korval.3751:

It’s no less different than level 80 boosters. Anet has spread out masteries too thin among all types of content. This is creating a situation where people run into impasses for mastery points. I don’t do raiding, WVW, PVP, complex metas, older content that no one is doing anymore, fractals and so forth. I’m don’t want stuff given to me, but at the same time, I don’t want to be forced to play types of content that I don’t like.

If Anet added more content type masteries then that would be great, but they haven’t. So throw them into the gem store for those that need one or two more mastery points.

So basically you don’t want to play the game. Cool.

Edit: Also, to whoever said “TBH the mastery levels should go away. They fly in the face of what Anet said they would never do in GW2: raise the level cap.” they never actually said that. Unless you have a link to prove me wrong.

oxfruit.8967:

Yes this all of this…! We’re going into the desert, give everyone equal opportunity to thirst!!

Hey, if it makes ya’ll feel better, that is exactly what we’ll get in PoF, everyone suffering equally:
http://dulfy.net/2017/08/09/gw2-upcoming-armor-outfits-and-weapons-from-path-of-fire/

SummerRayne.4672:

waldo.4581:

The face on the dude in the launch screen on the mount looks terrible everything besides his face is perfect. It just naws on me every time i log in. And dry top is a stupid obstacle course that should be turned into something else. The rest of the jumping puzzles from what i hear are fun.

So not really problems, just a couple things you personally don’t like and gave your opinion on. Nothing wrong with that, but I’m sure those things you find problems, others may actually like.

I don’t have any issue with the art on the launcher personally. I have always loved the Guild Wars games art style. The art style and music is one of the things that hooked me when I first played the original Guild Wars many years ago. I have played many, many mmo’s over the years and the GW’s games are the ones I find myself taking tons of screenshots of.

I haven’t done the jumping puzzle you are referring to, but I thought jumping puzzles were meant to be difficult and kind of like an obstacle course? Again, another thing I personally enjoy about the game. I honestly love this game how it is. As I said, I have played many mmo’s, most out there actually, and this game is different and unique. I really, really hope ArenaNet never, ever follows suit of some other mmo’s out there by dumbing the game down, streamlining way too much and feeling the need to reinvent the wheel all the time. This is an amazing game in my opinion. By far one of the best on the market for me. I get that as games age new things need to be added and some changes made. But I would much prefer to see a company continue to build on an amazing product instead of reinventing it all the time. A number of mmo’s over the last few years have been ruined for me because of this.

I have saw posts on these forums lately people complaining wanting flying mounts, wanting things to be gained much easier, etc. Please don’t cave to all this guys. You made an amazing game and I don’t want to see it ruined too I saw a thread yesterday with people complaining about the weapon skins that those of us got for our 5 year birthday yesterday. I got mine yesterday. There isn’t anything wrong with some things in a game being exclusive. Keep your character for 5 years and you will get it also. Not everything in a game should be easily obtained.

Why is this a thing? Did people not learn from the recent Minstrel thread?

Ayumi Spender.1082:

The Devout works with nothing but it’s top due to it making the side of the hips looking like the top of a soda can.
The Guild Archmage doesn’t exist no more and everything else is either tights, pantyhose, skirts, or just panties.

These are not the only options right?
https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Human_female_light_armor

Until PoF launches, yes those are the only options. And don’t count too much on PoF to actually change that.

Korval.3751:

ArcheAge is a cautionary tale of what happens when you have proper housing on land that cannot handle the demand. Let’s be honest, land for housing is nonexistent in GW2 due to map size. It would be impossible to do it at a level that games like Asheron’s Call or Ultima Online were able to achieve. Besides players do have housing districts and Guild Halls. Perhaps Anet could add a proper player house to the home district.

I don’t think ANYONE is asking for the kind of housing that shows up in the world like that, but an instance either within the Home Instance, or something place similar.

Aaron Ansari.1604:

(and I would welcome an update on just where the Flame Legion stands now- they’re the only hostile faction that has lost not just their leader, but arguably their driving ideology),

Wouldn’t this also apply to the White Mantle (and their Bandit Proxies)? Every major leader is dead, and now so is the last Mursaat. What have they got left?

I’ll leave one more post here, not in regards to “equality” of armor types directly, or even about necessarily about options, but about the idea that the lots of skin showing on Armors is necessarily unrealistic or even sexists. There are real world examples, the link below can explain better than I can (and its an interesting watch too):

Sepheiron.4918:

I’m not talking about the gliders which are fine but the wings as back item look so ridiculous and don’t really match the original style of GW1 imo. Should’ve left them in Aion.

I don’t disagree, but the djinn’s outta the bottle. Not really sure what point there is to this thread.

I can’t help but laugh at how there are two almost equally loud groups, one decrying the comparative lack of skimpy female armor, and another turned off by the apparent absurdity of female skimpy armor and/or the unfairness of it compared to male armor.

Just goes to show that there’s no pleasing everyone.

I’m not sure that the PC was unnecessarily harsh to Braham considering how he was behaving towards the PC, and everyone else for that matter, his mother’s death not withstanding. Perhaps its just me, but Braham’s response to the update about the bloodstone and the White Mantle:
“Sounds like a bunch of trivial human matters I don’t care about.”
Pretty much lost any sympathy I may have had for him. You don’t go and say that kinda kitten to an old time GW1 player.

Rognik.2579:

The Greyhawk.9107:

Well, no reason for an XPack to not focus on the charr, but as things currently stand the Gold Legion* itself doesn’t seem to be a big enough threat to Tyria to be the reason why an Xpack would focus on the charr. Something would really have to have changed in recent years with them.

*the name gold legion comes from the document “Ecology of the Charr”, a name used for the Flame Legion as an insult, as gold is a very soft metal. The hasn’t been seen in game sadly, but I always liked this insult.

Of course, the Flame Legion could be the subject of LWS4, considering that the While Mantle were dealt with almost entirely in the span of Season 3. I have no idea what the topic would be, but it’d be good to have more Ascalon expansions.

Agreed, I’m just not sure the Gold Legion is necessarily the way to go….except…maybe flip it around? Maybe a chunk of the flame legion reconciles with the other high legions (not all, in order to justify flame mobs left in all the older maps) restoring the old Four High Legions, with something else being the foe? Maybe? (ok, no never mind, it was stupid….)

Junkpile.7439:

Why not just make character that looks bad kitten?

woah…kitten man. Whats that sword, doesn’t look familiar to me.

Leo G.4501:

The Greyhawk.9107:

Danikat.8537:

Just for fun I set myself the challenge of putting together GW2’s most prestigious costume – all the rarest, hardest to obtain skins and most expensive dyes together. Surely a thing of glory to behold!

My attempt is below and since a lot has changed since I last tried this in 2014 and I think there’s many more options now I’d love to hear your thoughts and maybe even see some alternate takes on it.

Featured in my attempt is:

• Celebration Hat (free give-away during the headstart weekend)
• Glorious Hero’s Shoulderguards (place 1st in a PvP tournament)
• Perfected Envoy Jerkin (legendary armour)
• Fire God’s Vambraces (30 Hall of Monuments points)
• Mistforged Triumphant Hero’s Legguards (1900 WvW rank + purchase earlier versions)
• Invisible Boots (about 2,000-3,000 gold)
• Eternity (combine both other legendary greatswords)
• Warbringer (legendary WvW backpack)

Dyes are Permafrost, Shadow Abyss, Scorched and Bloody Red with a combined price of about 1,550g (and that’s using buy orders).

Yeah, that’s certainly an abomination all right, good work.

But that’s how about 50% of the players actually look like in-game. I’d say 10% wear vanilla gear because they are newer players leaving only 30% or less with anything even remotely fashionable and unique.

I like how people say this stuff to me as if I’ve not played the game and seen this kind of insult to the eyes for myself.

Hawken.7932:

I wish they would go further, and go back into old maps once the mounts are in and find a story explanation for why half of the waypoints in the world have now malfunctioned. The whole waypoint system I always felt a little immersion breaking from the beginning.
I’m sorry, OP, but I REALLY hope that now there are mounts in the game that they slowly start to phase out fast travel.

Yeah I’d stop playing if they did this.

Danikat.8537:

Just for fun I set myself the challenge of putting together GW2’s most prestigious costume – all the rarest, hardest to obtain skins and most expensive dyes together. Surely a thing of glory to behold!

My attempt is below and since a lot has changed since I last tried this in 2014 and I think there’s many more options now I’d love to hear your thoughts and maybe even see some alternate takes on it.

Featured in my attempt is:

• Celebration Hat (free give-away during the headstart weekend)
• Glorious Hero’s Shoulderguards (place 1st in a PvP tournament)
• Perfected Envoy Jerkin (legendary armour)
• Fire God’s Vambraces (30 Hall of Monuments points)
• Mistforged Triumphant Hero’s Legguards (1900 WvW rank + purchase earlier versions)
• Invisible Boots (about 2,000-3,000 gold)
• Eternity (combine both other legendary greatswords)
• Warbringer (legendary WvW backpack)

Dyes are Permafrost, Shadow Abyss, Scorched and Bloody Red with a combined price of about 1,550g (and that’s using buy orders).

Yeah, that’s certainly an abomination all right, good work.

DarcShriek.5829:

My prediction is that Balthazar’s actions will upset the flame legion and the next expansion will focus on the char.

Well, no reason for an XPack to not focus on the charr, but as things currently stand the Gold Legion* itself doesn’t seem to be a big enough threat to Tyria to be the reason why an Xpack would focus on the charr. Something would really have to have changed in recent years with them.

*the name gold legion comes from the document “Ecology of the Charr”, a name used for the Flame Legion as an insult, as gold is a very soft metal. The hasn’t been seen in game sadly, but I always liked this insult.

Donari.5237:

I hope it can be impossible to complete. My first sylvari had a Hunt to find “the most beautiful place in the world.” (This was how I had her explore everywhere and be my second of my only two alts to get world completion — back when WvW was involved, too!).

This of course gave her an ever shifting goal, seeing as how the same place will look different at different times, beauty is subjective, and she could get fascinated by a shell on a beach as easily as by a panoramic vista. But as she went, she fed all that she saw to the Dream — it was the journey that mattered, when it came down to it, not the conclusion.

Sorry, but you really can’t use your RPing as an example for actual Lore.

On an individual, one on one basis of Norn vs Charr, the Norn is more likely to come out the victor, but when you’re talking about as a race its the Charr that are going to be the better of the two. The Norn are too individualistic and lacking in discipline compared to the Charr, whose entire society is based around the Warband and the Legion. Every charr is a soldier, a part of the war-machine.

Astralporing.1957:

Ardid.7203:

I would happily never ever get another Outfit

And now you killed any chance of us ever getting those weapons…

Yeah, pretty much exactly what they didn’t want to hear.
“I’ll stop paying you money once you give me this thing I really want!”

Arenanet, I’ll actually start buying outfits again if you give us these weapons.

Vindicus.2130:

Feanor.2358:

Flying mounts will make gliding obsolete. I doubt they will ever appear.

Cars made horse drawn buggies obsolete, but progress always finds a way.

Dude, real world examples for a game?

Amaimon.7823:

Illconceived Was Na.9781:

Amaimon.7823:

but.. its weird, in design, they’re perfect for the revenant, so I don’t understand why anet never returned on this subject..
did they think it was okay to stop at ‘we lost ’em somewhere’ ?

Why do you think they are okay with it? It’s easy to say they shouldn’t have lost them or that if it’s previewable, there must be code somewhere.

It’s an entirely different matter to make the business decision to keep putting resources into nailing things down with these weapons, rather than working on all the other skins people want to see. Are you willing to give up other potential skins in exchange for this?

I get your point, but personally, I am
I have seen anet pump out skin sets this period that made me seriously scratch my head. You seen the keepsake weapons? Bunch of locks and keys, who takes that seriously? Might work for some magic trinkets like Focus, but a key-greatsword, this aint kingdom hearts

^This. There are vanishingly few maces in this game that I actually like, and the Mistrender was one of them. I want this weapon.

Zaraki.5784:

sorudo.9054:

yes, add more particle effects for computers to crash, let’s see the legendary enemies be attacked by high-end computer owners only…..

Technology grows every day, it’s your problem if you can’t or don’t want to keep up.
Why should people renounce to new and better functions only to allow others to continue playing with their crappy pc?

Because there aren’t enough of you with high end computers to even possibly keep GW2 and Arenanet afloat.
And to be frank, I stopped reading the OP suggestion when he brought up naruto characters. Ugh.

No, and I swear before all on this forum that if actual flying mounts are put into this game I will be done with it, for good.

Tekey.7946:

The Greyhawk.9107:

Also, no one can accurately say how many people want this housing thing. It may be a majority of the player base, it may be a minority, it may even be an insignificant number, no one knows. Maybe this is worth putting in the game, maybe it isn’t, I don’t have strong feelings about it either way. But just because someone or even several someones want a feature doesn’t mean it has to be put in. No game can have everything everyone wants.

The Greyhawk.9107:

So, Wow and everquest have every single possible feature that anyone and everyone that plays them could want? Every single person? If not than my point does still stand, that its impossible for every single requested feature be implemented. As I already said, I’ve no real opinion about player housing, but one has to be pragmatic about something like this, would it be worth the effort and time that may go to something else. Everything added in game is the result of a balancing act.

Well, in your words: no one could accurately say how many people want this mount thing. Many people were even completely against it. But Path of Fire will introduce mounts to GW2 – many people thought Anet would never do that.

Everything that could result in money is worth the effort for Arenanet. Mount skins will be sold in the gem store just like glider skins. The required target groups are already there, mounts have been requested for a long time, just as housing.

Housing items, decorations are even more versatile than mounts and gliders. They could sell tons of different items in the gem store. As long as there is nothing else that could result in even more money, they will probably go with housing.

You’re misunderstanding my point, if not almost Strawmaning it. When people bring up possible changes or additions to the game, its not uncommon for folks to try to argue from a position of popularity, particularly in cases of features that other games have. I was pointing out that this isn’t something that can be used in an honest debate, not here
anyways. This wasn’t pointed out as an argument against player housing, for the third time I’m completely ambivalent to the idea.
However, and I guess I should have put in this caveat earlier, Arenanet may have a better ability to gauge what may be more popular amongst the playerbase, with varying degrees of accuracy. I was referring to us, the players, when I was saying “we can’t know”. I will admit I wasn’t clear here.
I have to disagree with your claim that “Everything that could result in money is worth the effort for Arenanet”, as there are a lot of things that could and probably would earn them money in at least the short term that would be abhorrent. First one that comes to mind is a Premium User model like ones that several sub-free MMOs use. There is also the simple fact that just because something has been made available for money doesn’t mean the players are going to want it and spend money on it. And if that happens, than the effort, time, and money Anet put in is wasted. Even they cannot know for certain what will and will not work, and as a business they have to put careful thought into what they actually do, not repeatedly throwing everything they see in the forums at the wall to see what sticks.
Maybe the mounts will turn out to be worth it, maybe not. I’ll make no comment on which is more plausible. And maybe player housing would be worth it, maybe not.
On a side note in regards to housing items from the gemstore I will say this, it’d best that housing items NOT come only from the gemstore, but also include many items that are earned in game. We don’t need yet another issue similar to the outfits vs armors on top of whatever else is going on.

WARIORSCHARGEING.2637:

The Greyhawk.9107:

Fuzion.4193:

The Greyhawk.9107:

Palm Tiger.8275:

Dear Anet,

What happened to the housing promised just after launch?

When did Arenanet actually promise this thing you speak of? I’ve no recollection beyond “we’ll think about it”.

It was a promised feature for after release, and came from Anet about three months prior to release. I tried to dig the quote up and can’t find it on the internet, but I remember it being the selling point in my decision to leave SWTOR for GW2. I came from SWG and missed housing badly! At that time, SWTOR didn’t have housing either, and I was excited to hear it would be implemented after release.

Alas, release came and went. The dev comments on housing changed to “we’ll get around to it”, to “it’s on the horizon, but being pushed back behind other things,” and finally to, “Sorry, there will be no housing.” I remember at that time feeling quite dupped, jipped and just let down when they said our instanced homes is all we’ll have. But then guild housing was released and people garnered hope again, since it’s all basically the same thing. In a way.

Just because some people find housing pointless, doesn’t mean everyone does. Housing is a much-requested feature across the MMO-scape, and most MMOs include, or have added housing to their feature set. WoW did, ESO did, SWTOR did. Rift, EQ2, BDO and a few MMOs have instances that are a major part of the playerbase’s “endgame”.

Yeah, I’m going to need an actual link, bro. I’ve been active in this game since launch and I’ve actively followed info released by Anet, especially prior to launch, and I never heard one peep about player housing being even possibly being a feature, only that “we’ll think about it”. I’m sorry, but I can’t take your word for it.

Also, no one can accurately say how many people want this housing thing. It may be a majority of the player base, it may be a minority, it may even be an insignificant number, no one knows. Maybe this is worth putting in the game, maybe it isn’t, I don’t have strong feelings about it either way. But just because someone or even several someones want a feature doesn’t mean it has to be put in. No game can have everything everyone wants.

idk about that one . games like wow and evercrack and few of the other ones do have it all .and seams like they might be even eating their cakes too LOL

So, Wow and everquest have every single possible feature that anyone and everyone that plays them could want? Every single person? If not than my point does still stand, that its impossible for every single requested feature be implemented. As I already said, I’ve no real opinion about player housing, but one has to be pragmatic about something like this, would it be worth the effort and time that may go to something else. Everything added in game is the result of a balancing act.

I don’t know, even your own list shows other legends that seem to be tied to even stronger and arguably more relevant individuals. I just can’t see that this measuring stick that we’re using here actually disregards Turai, but instead supports him.

draxynnic.3719:

As another consideration:

It’s possible that Turai just didn’t have enough of an impact to become a revenant legend.

Consider: Turai’s achievements were basically limited to dealing Palawa Joko a setback (which turned out to be temporary) and failing to achieve Ascension. He didn’t even reach the Hall of Heroes on his own bat – he needed the help of the Prophecies heroes for that.

He’s had enough of an impact to be present as a Mist Champion, but let’s face it, the other Mist Champions are all second-fiddles who became famous because they were part of someone else’s legend. Tybalt rides on the coatstrings of the Whispers Pact Commander. Nika helped the Factions heroes defeat Shiro, but both her and Vizu are part of Shiro’s legend. Grymm Svaard was Cobiah Marriner’s henchman.

In Turai’s case, the legend is probably Palawa Joko. Turai is part of Joko’s legend, and maybe Glint’s, rather than being a legend in his own right.

I dunno, by that logic wouldn’t Kalla be tied to Pyre’s legend? And while technically temporary, two hundred odd years free of Joko’s grip and greatly impacting the culture of an entire continent should be more than ‘second fiddle’ in my opinion. I mean, what else does a guy gotta do?

Konig Des Todes.2086:

If anything about the Renegade doesn’t make sense, it’s the name “Renegade”.

After all…

It’s kind of like forming a group celebrating Jesus and calling the group ISIS.

Ah, the problems with using generic words for group/race names… At least it leads to silly puns as well.

Well, technically Jesus is seen a a prophet in Islam so…….

In regards to “Asuran” it seems it very rarely used even in connection with something made or originating with the Asura, the biggest example being that its ‘Asura Gates’ as opposed to ‘Asuran Gates’.

Fuzion.4193:

The Greyhawk.9107:

Palm Tiger.8275:

Dear Anet,

What happened to the housing promised just after launch?

When did Arenanet actually promise this thing you speak of? I’ve no recollection beyond “we’ll think about it”.

It was a promised feature for after release, and came from Anet about three months prior to release. I tried to dig the quote up and can’t find it on the internet, but I remember it being the selling point in my decision to leave SWTOR for GW2. I came from SWG and missed housing badly! At that time, SWTOR didn’t have housing either, and I was excited to hear it would be implemented after release.

Alas, release came and went. The dev comments on housing changed to “we’ll get around to it”, to “it’s on the horizon, but being pushed back behind other things,” and finally to, “Sorry, there will be no housing.” I remember at that time feeling quite dupped, jipped and just let down when they said our instanced homes is all we’ll have. But then guild housing was released and people garnered hope again, since it’s all basically the same thing. In a way.

Just because some people find housing pointless, doesn’t mean everyone does. Housing is a much-requested feature across the MMO-scape, and most MMOs include, or have added housing to their feature set. WoW did, ESO did, SWTOR did. Rift, EQ2, BDO and a few MMOs have instances that are a major part of the playerbase’s “endgame”.

Yeah, I’m going to need an actual link, bro. I’ve been active in this game since launch and I’ve actively followed info released by Anet, especially prior to launch, and I never heard one peep about player housing being even possibly being a feature, only that “we’ll think about it”. I’m sorry, but I can’t take your word for it.

Also, no one can accurately say how many people want this housing thing. It may be a majority of the player base, it may be a minority, it may even be an insignificant number, no one knows. Maybe this is worth putting in the game, maybe it isn’t, I don’t have strong feelings about it either way. But just because someone or even several someones want a feature doesn’t mean it has to be put in. No game can have everything everyone wants.

I’ve never understood fishing in game. I’m a Minnesotan, I can go and do the real thing fairly easily.

Palm Tiger.8275:

Dear Anet,

What happened to the housing promised just after launch?

When did Arenanet actually promise this thing you speak of? I’ve no recollection beyond “we’ll think about it”.

Some people just can’t ever be happy.

bigchunk.5190:

Do me a favor and type “Minstrel” in a google search. Then click the image portion of that search. Now what do you see? There is a primary theme.

Ok now after doing that take a look at my elementalist in the screenshot below. You can probably guess at this point where I’m going to go with this.

The meta says that Minstrel’s is the best healing gear, but I just can’t bring myself to acquire and equip it. I’ve been running Magi gear telling myself that it has more +healing but that’s not the real reason I use it. I really dislike the idea of giving my elementalist a full set of Minstrel’s gear or stats implying that my elementalist is a Minstrel, one of the blackface entertainers that pretends to be unintelligent for laughs.

I am quite aware of the term’s medieval roots designating a musician, but we don’t live in medieval times. That word means something else to many people today. Quite frankly, I think Minstrel is a very poorly chosen word that could easily be replaced by something like “Bard”, “Jester” or “Friar”. We’re not talking about calling a character in the game a Minstrel, which I would understand more, we’re talking about creating player controlled characters that wear the label of this stat set. Player characters of all races, some of them happen to have dark skin, some of them happen to wear this stat set.

Ideally, I would like to see a name change on the stat set. If this cannot be done, I will probably still play the game as it’s really fun, but I don’t think I ever will equip Minstrel’s gear on my elementalist. I feel like Arena Net is a forward thinking game company representing multiple racial identities with strong and interesting characters. It just seems like a needless small break from that to include something like this.

I’m sorry if this post sounds like I am trying to make something out of nothing but it’s something that has legitimately been bugging me and I figured I would share the sentiment out.

Ok, for starters, Google images isn’t reliable evidence for this sort of thing, the results can and have been shown to be heavily distorted.

More importantly is the very basic fact that when a person in “The Current Year” hears the term “minstrel” typically they are going to think of a musician, not a person in black face. Be honest with yourself, how many people today even know what the Minstrel Shows were? More likely, in a time when some of the most popular shows and movies are Medieval based fantasies, they are going to think of a traveling musician. Also, Bard =/= Minstrel. Bards were of an older, almost exclusively Celtic, cultural period. They were more poets and composers of epics than the traveling musicians minstrels were. And they fit the semi-late Medieval/Renaissance period much of Guild Wars 2 is based on.

But more importantly than that, its a single word listed on the info card that shows up when you hold your cursor over the armor icon. It….just doesn’t mean anything. You just can’t let things like this that have no actual meaning in regards to who or what someone is in real life become an impediment (or even what your character looks like in game). Neither you nor your character is going to be harmed or lessened or disenfranchised if you use these stats. You just can’t do this to yourself, or to others, there just isn’t an end to it. It is quite literally possible to connect every name, action, or concept to something…unjust…that happened at some point in the past. You just can’t do that, you’ll be miserable your whole life and you’ll probably make everyone around you miserable.

Just let it go.