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A small comment on one point, I personally don’t believe it’s possible for malchor to be Grenth’s father, because grenth was already there when Malchor got personal with Dwayna

…You’ve got a point. Could be an oversight on Anet’s part though, cause its still weirdly coincidental that Malchor and Grenth’s father are very similar. I suppose it could be that Dwayna has a type.

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typo or retcon?

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Was it not a land south of Cantha, or near it, that was first settled by humans? I remember this being a discussion back before GW2Guru stopped being relevant and the consensus was that it wasn’t Cantha itself but a land south of it. Has other info come out?

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Can we play as Largos please?

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I have no burning need to play as Largos.

One never knows, though; we may get gear to make us look like Largos, one day.

Good luck.

what new race would you like to play?

Frankly, I have no real interest in playing any new race. Sorry.

Same.

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Sylvaris first time in Elona

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Claiming the game is biased to one race is pretty ridiculous. Yes, HoT was extremely biased towards a sylvari storyline, but even the asura got some slight focus with Rata Novus, even if the city was wiped out long before we got there. We’ve only seen one-third of the first map of PoF, roughly, so we don’t know what other races we’ll come across besides the humans in Amnoon. I think it’s even too early to call this a human-centric expansion, even if Vabbi was mostly human in population.There are 4 other maps we’re not aware of, and we don’t even know where they all piece together.

Whats wrong with each of the Expansion packs focusing on a different race? It does honestly seem like that is what they are doing.

There’s nothing wrong with an expansion highlighting one of the races, and I never said that there was. All I said was it’s far too early to claim that Path of Fire is going to be mostly or solely human. All we know is that Amnoon is populated mostly by humans, and not a thing about any of the other maps. Perhaps there’s a lost squad of charr out near the brand. Perhaps we will find a Pale Tree somewhere in Elona (although why would be beyond me). We might even find an asura lab somewhere in the desert, although it’d most likely be an Inquest lab because that’s how these things usually end up.

These are all true, but there is a difference between possible and plausible (though, the idea of a lost charr warband in the desert is somewhat interesting) and at this time, until proven wrong, I think its fair to say that PoF is probably human centric. Also, the presence of some story elements of the other races wouldn’t necessarily invalidate the assertion of a single race being the primary thematic focus of an Xpack. Like the Rata Novus in HoT, its a bit of another race, but somewhat indirectly, within an Xpack that’s still very much a Sylvari centric story.

Rather than being human-centric, I see this expansion as being an exploration of Guild Wars 1 lore, particularly the end of Prophecies and Nightfall. Most of GW2 is based on the GW1 Expac, Eye of the North, which was the first expansion that included races other than humans. Even then, those races weren’t playable. As this expansion moves deeper into the world’s lore, there’s going to be a lot of human focus simply because that’s what the lore was originally about.

So it’s less “Hey this is all about humans” and more about “Hey this is all about Elena, the Crystal Desert, and the Gods. And oh yeah have a giant bunny mount.”

Well, I can’t say that I agree with that view insofar as it’d be “Elona, GW1 and the Six Gods rather than Humans” when it to me would be “Elona, GW1, The Six And Humans”. But honestly none of this is written in stone and if that’s how you’d prefer to think of it, I won’t stop you.

To be fair, it would be difficult to stop me from thinking things. Unless you have some sort of mind-control ray.

…You don’t have one of those, right?

I can neither confirm nor deny.

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Wizard Isgarren, come out!

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Next GW2 Expansion: House of Sky! Featuring:

-Two new legendary weapons!
-NEW Elite Specializations everyone other than one class will whine about!
-More wings probably!
-NEW Guild Base Map: Filthy Tarp Over a Dumpster!
-NEW Crafting Profession: Golemancy!
-NEW Squad System! Build your own team of hero NPCs!
-FLY Higher than ever before with JET PACKS!

…Well now I want golemancy and jet packs. Good job, me. Start off making a joke and finish disappointing even myself.

And I kinda want that tarp, can do without the dumpster though.

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Why? The springer mount

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The real question is, why haven’t the people built infrastructure so you wouldn’t need to leap over chasms, up cliffs or over large bodies of quicksand/water?

I imagine the desert just isn’t densely populated enough to maintain it. Even if those trees around the oases are enough to build bridges and stairs after you account for Amnoon’s building needs, and any firewood to keep out the night chill… you’ve got a vast span of nothing to haul the materials through, in some places who knows how much sand to clear away to find a solid foundation for the supports, and at any time after you leave a hydra might happen along and smash the thing into kindling with a meteor.

……Why do these people live in a place like this?
(Don’t answer that, it was rhetorical, I know they’d nowhere else to go)

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Sylvaris first time in Elona

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Claiming the game is biased to one race is pretty ridiculous. Yes, HoT was extremely biased towards a sylvari storyline, but even the asura got some slight focus with Rata Novus, even if the city was wiped out long before we got there. We’ve only seen one-third of the first map of PoF, roughly, so we don’t know what other races we’ll come across besides the humans in Amnoon. I think it’s even too early to call this a human-centric expansion, even if Vabbi was mostly human in population.There are 4 other maps we’re not aware of, and we don’t even know where they all piece together.

Whats wrong with each of the Expansion packs focusing on a different race? It does honestly seem like that is what they are doing.

There’s nothing wrong with an expansion highlighting one of the races, and I never said that there was. All I said was it’s far too early to claim that Path of Fire is going to be mostly or solely human. All we know is that Amnoon is populated mostly by humans, and not a thing about any of the other maps. Perhaps there’s a lost squad of charr out near the brand. Perhaps we will find a Pale Tree somewhere in Elona (although why would be beyond me). We might even find an asura lab somewhere in the desert, although it’d most likely be an Inquest lab because that’s how these things usually end up.

These are all true, but there is a difference between possible and plausible (though, the idea of a lost charr warband in the desert is somewhat interesting) and at this time, until proven wrong, I think its fair to say that PoF is probably human centric. Also, the presence of some story elements of the other races wouldn’t necessarily invalidate the assertion of a single race being the primary thematic focus of an Xpack. Like the Rata Novus in HoT, its a bit of another race, but somewhat indirectly, within an Xpack that’s still very much a Sylvari centric story.

Rather than being human-centric, I see this expansion as being an exploration of Guild Wars 1 lore, particularly the end of Prophecies and Nightfall. Most of GW2 is based on the GW1 Expac, Eye of the North, which was the first expansion that included races other than humans. Even then, those races weren’t playable. As this expansion moves deeper into the world’s lore, there’s going to be a lot of human focus simply because that’s what the lore was originally about.

So it’s less “Hey this is all about humans” and more about “Hey this is all about Elena, the Crystal Desert, and the Gods. And oh yeah have a giant bunny mount.”

Well, I can’t say that I agree with that view insofar as it’d be “Elona, GW1 and the Six Gods rather than Humans” when it to me would be “Elona, GW1, The Six And Humans”. But honestly none of this is written in stone and if that’s how you’d prefer to think of it, I won’t stop you.

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What do you call a Sylvari DJ?

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A House Plant….

Bu-dum-tiss!

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Something from 2012 I posted elsewhere...

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This belongs in the Community Creations section of the Forums, not the Lore section.

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Sylvaris first time in Elona

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Claiming the game is biased to one race is pretty ridiculous. Yes, HoT was extremely biased towards a sylvari storyline, but even the asura got some slight focus with Rata Novus, even if the city was wiped out long before we got there. We’ve only seen one-third of the first map of PoF, roughly, so we don’t know what other races we’ll come across besides the humans in Amnoon. I think it’s even too early to call this a human-centric expansion, even if Vabbi was mostly human in population.There are 4 other maps we’re not aware of, and we don’t even know where they all piece together.

Whats wrong with each of the Expansion packs focusing on a different race? It does honestly seem like that is what they are doing.

There’s nothing wrong with an expansion highlighting one of the races, and I never said that there was. All I said was it’s far too early to claim that Path of Fire is going to be mostly or solely human. All we know is that Amnoon is populated mostly by humans, and not a thing about any of the other maps. Perhaps there’s a lost squad of charr out near the brand. Perhaps we will find a Pale Tree somewhere in Elona (although why would be beyond me). We might even find an asura lab somewhere in the desert, although it’d most likely be an Inquest lab because that’s how these things usually end up.

These are all true, but there is a difference between possible and plausible (though, the idea of a lost charr warband in the desert is somewhat interesting) and at this time, until proven wrong, I think its fair to say that PoF is probably human centric. Also, the presence of some story elements of the other races wouldn’t necessarily invalidate the assertion of a single race being the primary thematic focus of an Xpack. Like the Rata Novus in HoT, its a bit of another race, but somewhat indirectly, within an Xpack that’s still very much a Sylvari centric story.

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Please remove annoying Soulbeast FX

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…Would this not also apply to Death/Reaper Shroud, Lich Form, Norn Animal Forms, and any other temporary appearance change? I really don’t understand people anymore…

No, because those are, as you said, temporary appearance changes and forms not merely an aura surrounding a character, Beastmode can be up 100% of the time.

I agree that you don’t understand people, you can’t seriously be comparing Reaper Shroud to fart shroud can you? Who plays reaper and doesn’t love Reaper Shroud visuals? Yet the vast majority of the people who comment on the SB aura do not like it.

I absolutely can compare them, because taste is subjective. I’ve no real problem with either version of the shroud, that doesn’t mean someone else may not like it.
Also, you used the phrase “majority of people who comment”. Can you with any honestly claim that that is the same as “vast majority of players”? Comparatively little of the player base bothers posting on these forums. ON just about any subject was you have are a bunch of loud minorities.

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Skimpy armor for male characters

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I,m not going to help you bring this off topic. Obviously you are not reading yourselves trying to justify that way of thinking and tryharding talking nonsense. The arguments are on the table, take them or let your pride eat yourselfs. Obviously there’s no point on arguing with you
Yes, you are right, girls shouldnt ask for skimpy armor because of what we wear or because of two different oppinions or whatever your last argument is. You changed it so much that I already dont know. That was a polite topikittenil you came with stuff out of the blue. And I cant bring myself to care anymore

I,m up for more skimpy male armor. Go ANet!

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Please remove annoying Soulbeast FX

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Attaching the screenshot. C’mon devs, give us an option to turn that green thing off, it’s obscuring the view of the character I spent hours customising. And it’s plain annoying to look at all the time.

I imagine it’s both to let you know what mode you’re in (I even have trouble remembering with that huge effect!) and for PvP for enemies to know as well.

Then they need to change it to something that’s not a complete eyesore that murders all attempts at fashionwars even when you do keep to the class’s theme, (Such as by wielding the legendary (Gold,Black, And Red) Chuka & Champawat.

After spending such absurd amounts of time and money on the aesthetics of your character, you don’t want it completely obscured by an aura you have no choice in using or not. Worse, on Charr it just clips through their body and looks terrible.

I understand the devs spent a lot of time to create it and it may be somewhat necessary as a visual tell etc etc but I hope they give people the option to turn it off, client side at least. Really looking forward to playing Soulbeast, really not looking forward to looking at it.

Get rid of it. This game does not need more gratuitous particle effects. People should want to play Soulbeast because it’s fun, not because it looks like a chlorine cloud.

Would this not also apply to Death/Reaper Shroud, Lich Form, Norn Animal Forms, and any other temporary appearance change? I really don’t understand people anymore.

Leave it alone Anet, thing looks good enough.

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Sylvaris first time in Elona

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Claiming the game is biased to one race is pretty ridiculous. Yes, HoT was extremely biased towards a sylvari storyline, but even the asura got some slight focus with Rata Novus, even if the city was wiped out long before we got there. We’ve only seen one-third of the first map of PoF, roughly, so we don’t know what other races we’ll come across besides the humans in Amnoon. I think it’s even too early to call this a human-centric expansion, even if Vabbi was mostly human in population.There are 4 other maps we’re not aware of, and we don’t even know where they all piece together.

Whats wrong with each of the Expansion packs focusing on a different race? It does honestly seem like that is what they are doing.

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Sylvaris first time in Elona

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I’m honestly hoping for more desert inspired hair and to see if the dragon minion thing racism thing grows.

Eh, probably not, the anti-sylvari story branch is a dead one. HoT was the Xpack with a strong sylvari theme, PoF is looking to be a Human themed one.

And already some people are claiming the entire game is, and always has been, humancentric, like they claimed it was entirely sylvaricentric during HoT.

I think you’re right though. There was a lot of distrust of sylvari after Scarlet, Aerin and then the whole revelation with Mordremoth. But I think it’s calming down now that Mordremoths influence is gone and we’re back to threats coming from all angles.

Also none of that affected Elona, as far as we know. I think they might be suspicious of the sylvari, and I don’t suppose hearing that they were meant to be dragon minions will help, but I think in general Elonians would treat them like any other outsiders.

I’d less say “died down” and more “it was a promised storyline that got dropped for ‘reasons’”, basically it got flubbed. Which is too bad, but its really too late now.

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Skimpy armor for male characters

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So the OP asks politely for equally skimpy armor for male characters, and some guys start talking about how the op is exagerating with the sexism/sexualization of female armor, while others talk about how wrongly women dress in real life and how that should affect how we want to dress our characters in a game.
And those very same people think that asking for simple things is easier for us because we are women. Really xD

Everyone, I would like you to take note of the above statement, as it is a perfect example of what is known as ‘The Straw-man Fallacy’.

Everyone, I would like you to take note of the above statement, as it is a perfect example of what is known as ‘Ad Hominem Fallacy"
And the same goes for Leo G, sorry to wake you up from your lovely dream, but that’s what you have been doing

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I can’t help but laugh at how there are two almost equally loud groups, one decrying the comparative lack of skimpy female armor, and another turned off by the apparent absurdity of female skimpy armor and/or the unfairness of it compared to male armor.

Just goes to show that there’s no pleasing everyone.

What I find equally absurd is how just having the option to cloth a female character in skimpy armor is labeled as sexualizing them and yet, what do a large portion of women wear casually, at work or at school? Most aren’t trying to wear loose jeans and a regular-lengthed short sleeve shirt.

Both of you are being unrespectful. The Greyhawk, you just described a problem with an easy solution, more skimpy armor for both genders, yet you aply your beloved “straw man fallacy” to turn things your way.

A few things.

Pointing out that another person is misrepresenting, intentionally or otherwise, a stance, opinion or argument of myself or another is not an Ad Hominem. Which is what you have done. For it to have been an ad hominem I would have had to attack you, commonly via insults.

Scondly its disrespectful, and as Leo said, respect is earned. I will provide basic courtesy but I do not have to respect you or anyone here.

Moving forward, the second quote above that you are attributing to me is not one I made, its Leo’s. I’m not in the habit of quoting myself like that.
You’ve also miss-characterized my initial statement (straw) in this thread. There have been a lot of people on this forum and elsewhere that have decried the presence of armors, typically female, that are salacious and show skin. There have also, in more recent years, been a lot of posters upset at how few such set exist in this game, particularly compared to its predecessor (or any other MMO for that matter), using phrases for the devs at Arenanet like ‘puritanical’.
And yes, I do find this to be amusing. Because People.
On this thread there have been some that, in their language, have sounded like the former group, which is more or less why I said that. But I also said this:

I"m not actually against more options, just so you know. Rather, not unlike Leo, I feel the need to point out what (to me at least) appear to be fallacious arguments and question aberrant statements.

See, here’s where you Strawman’d me, I was never against more balanced options at all. Because, hey, skimpy male clothing may not be to my tastes, but I do believe in fairness, so if people want it, who am I to say no? What I was taking acceptation to was some of the statements and arguments being said to support this idea, particularly the ones that tried to make this some kind of social issue.
An idea can still be a good one even if what’s being used to support it is fallacious, but that doesn’t really make the fallacies ok. Better to challenge the arguments, learn from the shortcomings and come up with better ones.

Now, do we understand one another?

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This is neither here nor there, but I can’t help but be impressed that your grandfather is a gamer. Props to him.

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Sylvaris first time in Elona

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I’m honestly hoping for more desert inspired hair and to see if the dragon minion thing racism thing grows.

Eh, probably not, the anti-sylvari story branch is a dead one. HoT was the Xpack with a strong sylvari theme, PoF is looking to be a Human themed one.

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Why? The springer mount

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Also, in b4 ‘wtb snow beast mounts.’

Ok, that is at least one mount I can get behind having in game.

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So the OP asks politely for equally skimpy armor for male characters, and some guys start talking about how the op is exagerating with the sexism/sexualization of female armor, while others talk about how wrongly women dress in real life and how that should affect how we want to dress our characters in a game.
And those very same people think that asking for simple things is easier for us because we are women. Really xD

Everyone, I would like you to take note of the above statement, as it is a perfect example of what is known as ‘The Straw-man Fallacy’.

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Changing Sylvari Name to Sound Lore-Friendly

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I’m a little concerned that the suggestions of Celtic and Gaelic naming isn’t going to do much for the OP, if they didn’t like the sounds of the Welsh names (I believe throaty and guttural are the words you used, which I can sorta see...hear) as Welsh is a part of the Celtic language group, the Brythonic sub-group to be more specific. Gaelic is the other Celtic sub-group, and while the two subgroups are very different, they are also probably going to sound very similar. You may have the same problem as before.

Oh yeah, the same issue can happen, but with more languages there’s a lot more choices for each word.

For example I wanted to call one of my sylvari ‘silver birch’ (because it fit the white and black colour scheme and I like those trees). I like the Welsh word for silver – Arian. But the Welsh for birch is Bedw, which didn’t look great. So I did some investigating and came across the Old Irish equivalent – Bethe.

So she became Bethe Arian.

Well, like I said it was just a possibility.

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I despise what GW2 has become visually

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If I’ve said it once, I’ve said it a million times, and kitten I’ll keep saying it, Arenanet, Put More GW1 Armors Into This Motherkittening GAME.

Anyone got a throat lozenge?

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I am going to re-state, that if flying mounts, actual flying, are put into this game I will uninstall and never support Arenanet again. After ten plus years of playing your games, I will quit.

Alas, the Greyhawk will never fly. :/

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I’m a little concerned that the suggestions of Celtic and Gaelic naming isn’t going to do much for the OP, if they didn’t like the sounds of the Welsh names (I believe throaty and guttural are the words you used, which I can sorta see...hear) as Welsh is a part of the Celtic language group, the Brythonic sub-group to be more specific. Gaelic is the other Celtic sub-group, and while the two subgroups are very different, they are also probably going to sound very similar. You may have the same problem as before.

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I am going to re-state, that if flying mounts, actual flying, are put into this game I will uninstall and never support Arenanet again. After ten plus years of playing your games, I will quit.

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Renegade Weapon

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….when did he get drunk? I’ve played through EotN dozens of times and I’ve no recollection of any charr drinking back then, much less Pyre.

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Why? The springer mount

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I agree. Instead of some horrid rabbit abomination, we should be able to ride those cool gazelle-centaurs that were supposedly in GW1.

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Yeah, considering that centaurs are a sentient/sapient creature, there’d be zero chance of them being a mount.

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Voice Acting: lack of accent, Elona? PoF

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Pretty sure its Elonian. Whatever accent used in Nightfall was a subtle one, I’m not sure I could ID it but I don’t think it was arabic based. Whatever it was it worked.

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You’ll never get parity since Kristen Perry left the character/art team and she was the only one championing equality.

Now all armor is half naked female with males virtually in full body veils.

Again, when people speak in hyperbole, I feel forced to expose it.

http://dulfy.net/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/gw2-warbeast-light-armor-set.jpg
vs
http://dulfy.net/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/gw2-warbeast-light-armor-set-2.jpg

http://dulfy.net/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/gw2-elonian-light-armor-set.jpg
vs
http://dulfy.net/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/gw2-elonian-light-armor-set-2.jpg

Now grab all the armors. Not just your cherry picked cases which make the vast minority.

But it isn’t the vast majority that’s “skimpy” , its not even half (wouldn’t even be a quarter if you took Charr and Asura into account, but I don’t need to be told that we aren’t really doing that). There’s a difference between being hyperbolic and being dishonest.

I"m not actually against more options, just so you know. Rather, not unlike Leo, I feel the need to point out what (to me at least) appear to be fallacious arguments and question aberrant statements.

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Whoever made the Luminous Weapons...

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Maybe they just appear “that awesome” because most alternatives are “that bad”?

Not in this particular case, no. Most of the weapons are genuinely very good looking. Still can’t decide which two I want to go with.

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Voice Acting: lack of accent, Elona? PoF

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You need to clean out your ears. Char have different accents than asura or any other race. All the races have distinct voices.

Arent the elonians human? Shouldnt they have human voices?

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So the fact that these people have been separate from TYRIAN humans for multiple generations, and did have a different accent from Tyrian humans 250 years earlier, is utterly meaningless?

I don’t think you know how accents work.

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Sohothin simply got updated to match Magdaer’s model in ascalonian catacombs so as per the lore they are actual twins.

Since FDS are suppose be replicas of the them, it should get an updated model too.

exactly. Also the old artworks match PoF looks of Sohothin

See, no, again the two swords are based off the FDS, not actually the other way around. It was retconned that the FDSs that Rurik and Adleburn had were important and had names, but that turth of the matter is the FDS came first. Its a specific design appearance that is Iconic to the entire Guild Wars franchise and shouldn’t just be changed on a whim.

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Bad example. Imagine you and a group of buddies from work decide to go out for a drink. The guys may wear something like this:
https://i.pinimg.com/736x/95/09/f2/9509f2c0441bd9e1c6f259e020b3e1a1--casual-outfits-hombre-mens-casual-outfits-summer.jpg
https://i.pinimg.com/736x/a9/d3/5e/a9d35e9e223fdbad66aa0af95fc2c7b1--dope-fashion-fashion-men.jpg

While your female friends may wear something similar to the above OR:
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/564x/c4/be/00/c4be007e0317bf1023a36d0efe0de76a.jpg
http://i.pinger.pl/pgr111/58c2dd410001203e4c85392f/zara1.jpg

And that is what is happening in GW2 (what happens in other MMOs is a different story), female characters are given skimpy gear along side modest gear and male characters are partially excluded from skimpy gear.

No.. what is going on in GW2 is this..

https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/File:Masquerade_armor_human_male_front.jpg

https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/File:Masquerade_armor_human_female_front.jpg

See.. the problem that everyone is talking about?

Of the same token, we also have some stuff like this:

https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/4/4e/Nightmare_Court_armor_%28light%29_human_female_front.jpg

https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/8/8f/Nightmare_Court_armor_%28light%29_human_male_front.jpg

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https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/c/ce/Feathered_armor_human_male_front.jpg

as well as many examples where, as far as exposed skin goes, there is little to no difference between male and females:

https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/b/b2/Ornate_Guild_armor_%28light%29_human_male_front.jpg

https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/c/cd/Ornate_Guild_armor_%28light%29_human_female_front.jpg

https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/e/ef/Inquest_armor_%28medium%29_human_male_front.jpg

https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/4/45/Inquest_armor_%28medium%29_human_female_front.jpg

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I still don’t feel like you’re understanding what I’ve been trying to say, but that is probably because of my sub-par writing skills. I can’t seem to be accurate and/or specific enough in certain statements and its frustrating the kitten out of me. I’ll just say that I don’t think most or half or whatever fraction of Blood being a major enemy is a likely scenario, that’s just my subjective opinion. I’ll bow out and let this thread resume its course.

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False equivalence. Regardless of their origins, there are good and bad sylvari, just like their are good and bad humans, or norn, etc. The entire race, or even a majority, didn’t go bad mostly just those in close proximity to Mordy.

We never really got a percentage on the number of sylvari who turned to Mordrem Guards, but given the number of Mordrem Guards it is likely very high.

Either way, “just like there are good and bad humans, or Blood Legion soldiers, or Ash Legion soldiers”.

It’s not really a false equivalence. Given we know there are “bad Blood Legion soldiers” because some have already defected, just as we know there are good Blood Legion soldiers because some are grateful for the peace talks.

If Bangar decides to denounce the treaty, which was hinted he wants to do in the very first piece of GW2 lore, many soldiers will follow suit because if you talk to a number of charr in the Black Citadel as a human, or throughout Fields of Ruin as any race, you’ll see that a large number of dialogues in those areas talk about tolerating (for lack of a better word) the peace talks because their superiors told them to.

If their superiors told them to ignore the talks, then they’ll ignore the talks, either gladly or grudgingly. Because they already do this.

We’re talking about a group, not a race. […] We’re talking about an entire third of the legitimate High Legions and probably more than a quarter of the Charr populace becoming enemies. […] We’re talking about the Charr, if their Imperator did order them to basically turn on everyone, it’d only be outliers that’d disobey. It’d be a different matter if Banger did cause political issues within the balance the High Legions have, but for the whole Legion to become the enemy…its not really all the plausible.

We’re talking about a very large group – hundreds of thousands. Blood Legion is said to be the largest of the three legions, so that’s over a third of the allied race. It also has territory that is nearly three times that of Iron’s territory (Ascalon), as Blood territory reaches north of Ascalon and east of the Blazeridge.

And no, we’re not talking about all Blood Legion turning into enemies. No one has said the whole Blood Legion. Not a single person. We’re talking about a civil war within the Blood Legion, between those who serve “the greater good” and those who fall back to old racial customs or follow their superiors. In this hypothetical civil war, it would be Iron + Ash + some of Blood versus most of Blood + Renegades. The Blood Legion would be effectively split between those who are racial supremacists but followed orders (of which there are many), and those believe that peace with humans is the right path.

Hypothetically we could even see more defectors from Ash and Iron if they see an Imperator denouncing the peace talks.

And the irony of you talking about outliers that’d disobey – we have proof that such outliers exist. So obviously if the orders were to turn around, there would still be outliers.

Konig, ye’re not really…
I don’t feel like you quite understand what I’m trying to say. A good portion of the above is just re-stating what I was trying to say, if maybe more clearly. like, I’m not sure what pointing out that there are already bad Blood members really has to do with anything, of course there are members such member. I shouldn’t have to say that every single “good” group, including those that players can originate from or join, are going to have malicious individuals. I don’t see how that necessarily invalidates the idea that it doesn’t really make sense for the Blood Legion as a group to become the next Molten Alliance or Forged or whatever group.

And in regards to Bangar’s negative stance on peace with humans, the fact that most of the Blood legion regardless of the personal stances of individual members would obey their Imperator, the large size of the legion, and the existence of outliers of any side…Isn’t this all stuff I already stated? Why are we arguing these points? I’ll admit my estimation of the size of Blood was on the conservative side, but that was intentionally so, because I just wasn’t sure. Its logical for the warrior and ground troops sect of the Charr warmachine to have the highest number of members, but I didn’t want to overestimate.

As for “All of the Legion vs Most of it”…well be fair. Mickey Frogeater’s exact line about the Blood Legion was as follows: “Eventually we must deal with Braham, the Blood Legion and the Flame Legion. They are the only known threats outside of Scarlet Briar’s…” He didn’t specify how much of the Legion it’d be. He just said the Blood Legion was a threat, in the same sentence as Flame Legion (who are not only a purely enemy faction, they are the original enemy faction of GW) as well as that idiot Norn whose busy being a kitten to everyone while unwittingly spitting on his mother’s legacy and could very well get us all killed (assuming he can actually stand up to Jormag (and yes, I remember Jormag’s asleep right now) and not get killed himself). Yes it was an assumption, but but was it an unfair one?

In fact, it may be less of a civil war, and more a case of a period of rising tensions culminating in getting Rytlock into a position where he can challenge the Imperator. They could possibly even find some excuse to have you play as Rytlock for the challenge.

^This, I can see this absolutely being the case. My contention is that I don’t think its feasible for Blood to be the next Mordrem or Forged.

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Minor Reminder: This is a topic asking for the addition of Skimpy Male Armors to go along with the Skimpy Female armor..

This is not asking to remove any of the existing Skimpy Female armor.

it’s still silly and unnecessary, women typically wear skimpy clothes out in public, but you never see a dude with his shirt off at the store for example.

yah know.. there are signs on most store doors that say “No shirt no Service” for a reason.

But that aside, where I live, I see a lot of guys wearing “muscle” shirts, spandex shorts, sometimes wearing nothing but sneakers and speedos™ while out power walking.

So honestly I have no idea what you are talking about.

What about in casual settings like going out to eat with friends, going to a movie or concert, going out for a drink with your work friends, going to school, going to work or even formal settings like work meetings, recitals, formal banquets, ect?

It’s still about the same. I don’t get where people think that women dress like tramps all the time and men are modest. It just ain’t what I see.

It’s not about dressing like tramps (i never said that) it’s about the amount of covering and the variety of options. So you’re saying that, for example, in a formal work setting with a professional dress policy, men and women have the same amount of options?

Leo’s got a point here, in a white collar job men are almost universally required to wear a button down shirt and slacks (and often a tie and a jacket). Women in this sphere at least do typically have more options, including options to, you guessed it, expose more skin. And not even in any salacious way either, a very modest knee-length skirt does show skin, whereas men can’t really get away with wearing shorts. I’ll admit I’m not sure how to necessarily apply this to game armors, but outside that Leo’s still correct.

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Minor Reminder: This is a topic asking for the addition of Skimpy Male Armors to go along with the Skimpy Female armor..

This is not asking to remove any of the existing Skimpy Female armor.

it’s still silly and unnecessary, women typically wear skimpy clothes out in public, but you never see a dude with his shirt off at the store for example.

yah know.. there are signs on most store doors that say “No shirt no Service” for a reason.

But that aside, where I live, I see a lot of guys wearing “muscle” shirts, spandex shorts, sometimes wearing nothing but sneakers and speedos™ while out power walking.

So honestly I have no idea what you are talking about.

You make me glad I live in a cold place.

What about a man wearing a muscle shirt and spandex shorts or a speedo makes you so uncomfortable that you have to post a “kill it with fire” gif?

INTERESTING

Its called a joke, bro. People are overly tense on this thread, tryin’ to break the tension with bad humor.

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Minor Reminder: This is a topic asking for the addition of Skimpy Male Armors to go along with the Skimpy Female armor..

This is not asking to remove any of the existing Skimpy Female armor.

it’s still silly and unnecessary, women typically wear skimpy clothes out in public, but you never see a dude with his shirt off at the store for example.

yah know.. there are signs on most store doors that say “No shirt no Service” for a reason.

But that aside, where I live, I see a lot of guys wearing “muscle” shirts, spandex shorts, sometimes wearing nothing but sneakers and speedos™ while out power walking.

So honestly I have no idea what you are talking about.

You make me glad I live in a cold place.

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The Firey Dragon Sword is, before anything else including lore, a specific sword model from Guildwars that was transplanted to GW2 as an item for gw1 players.

So why would sohothin an item from gw1 get a visual update and not the fiery sword?

Because that’s not how it actually worked. Before literature on GW2 started coming out, it wasn’t “Sohothin” or “Magdaer”, just FDSs that Rurik and Adlebern had, like several other characters were shown to have. They retconned the two swords for Lore reasons. The FDS is probably one of if not the oldest weapon in gw1 and is still viewed as something Iconic to the entire franchise, you don’t just change it because a pair of swords based off the FDS (not the other way around) have been changed.

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About Blood Legion “not being an enemy faction”?

So were sylvari.

So were priests of Balthazar and the Zaishen.

We’ve had lore for far longer hinting that Imperator Bangar could prove harmful to the charr-human peace negotiations; that he’s actually opposed to it but goes along because Ash and Iron do and he doesn’t want to fight both legions on top of other charr issues.

With two or three of those issues – Flame Legion, Foefire ghosts, and Branded – being heavily weakened if not removed by the actions of Season 1, Season 2, and PoF respectively – I could see Bangar deciding to play up his wildcard lore and become a threat.

Some folks – like myself – even theorize that Bangar is secretly behind the Renegades, as we do have lore indicating that most Renegades come from Blood Legion (as did Ajax who led the Renegades for a short time).

False equivalence. Regardless of their origins, there are good and bad sylvari, just like their are good and bad humans, or norn, etc. The entire race, or even a majority, didn’t go bad mostly just those in close proximity to Mordy. We’re talking about a group, not a race. As for the Zaishen and other worshipers of Balthazar, they were never a player faction, especially in GW2. Doesn’t really matter what they do, there was barely any evidence to show they still existed in the first place.
Blood Legions is a player faction, PCs can be Blood. We’re talking about an entire third of the legitimate High Legions and probably more than a quarter of the Charr populace becoming enemies. We’re talking about the Charr, if their Imperator did order them to basically turn on everyone, it’d only be outliers that’d disobey. It’d be a different matter if Banger did cause political issues within the balance the High Legions have, but for the whole Legion to become the enemy…its not really all the plausible.

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My second point still stands.

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The Firey Dragon Sword is, before anything else including lore, a specific sword model from Guildwars that was transplanted to GW2 as an item for gw1 players.

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Minor Reminder: This is a topic asking for the addition of Skimpy Male Armors to go along with the Skimpy Female armor..

This is not asking to remove any of the existing Skimpy Female armor.

it’s still silly and unnecessary, women typically wear skimpy clothes out in public, but you never see a dude with his shirt off at the store for example.

Well, to be fair its an almost universal policy for businesses to require that customers wear a minimum of clothing. The whole “No shirt, no shoes, no service” deal from back in the day.

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White washing in video games too!

No. No. NO. You stop that kitten right now. I know you’re joking but too many loud and easily offended people will turn this into an actual kitten show. And I’ll blame you.

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Minor Reminder: This is a topic asking for the addition of Skimpy Male Armors to go along with the Skimpy Female armor..

This is not asking to remove any of the existing Skimpy Female armor.

Thank you, but it is unnecessary. We do understand quite well what the OP stated he or she wanted, but conversations by nature do change their exact topic of discussion as they move forward. Doubly so for the internet. I only asked a question of a similar theme in response primarily to some of the language people were using in this thread.
And I made a bad joke about tumblr, which I won’t apologize for.

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Eventually we must deal with Braham, the Blood Legion and the Flame Legion. They are the only known threats outside of Scarlet Briar’s 3 factions we haven’t decisively dealt with(as ArenaNet has already stated we don’t know who the leader of Molten Alliance is nor the Toxic Alliance).

Hopefully we see both Flame Legion, Blood Legion and Molten Alliance(all 3 led by Charr) in the Blood Legion Homelands.

The leader of both alliances was Scarlet and neither has been shown to still be in existence since her death. As for the Blood Legion…they aren’t an enemy faction, Rytlock is Blood and so can a player’s charr if they so choose. Bangar Ruinbringer is implied as being strongly anti-human but to date the old kitten hasn’t done anything about the Kryta-Iron Legion treaty, for or against.

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Like with the Drift thread, I"m not sure what there is to say. The Elonian ‘accent’ is lackluster compared to, say, Nightfall’s cinematics. It may have to do with shear volume, nearly every bit of in game dialog comes with audio and its plausible that Anet used some lesser talent amongst the VAs to mitigate costs. In regards to the Drift thread in the Lore section, again I don’t know of anyway to explain away the lack of accents among Elonians.

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It is a little counter-intuitive…

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I’ve a question for those of you that are saying that the game is sexist for having some ‘skimpy’ armors for females: what do you say to female players, regardless of their own real life proclivity, that want there to be these types of armors for their female characters? Over the years I’ve asked of the many female gamers I’ve met, particularly in both gw1 and gw2, whether they’d life for ‘skimpy’ armors to be done away with completely. And almost without exception the answer has been an emphatic Kitten No (with only one exception that comes to mind of an older gamer that would only make Asura). I mean, if its something women also want, is it still sexist?

A woman, or even some women, wanting something does not prevent it from being sexist. There are women who believe, or at least state that they believe, that women should be subbordinate to men. Sexist even if the person stating the belief is female.

That’s a big leap from personal tastes to think oneself is subordinate to another. And also a mine-field if I ever saw one. To be frank, you don’t really have to tell me that in certain parts of the world where there is a real patriarchy, yes women are taught to believe that but in respect to this discussion, which ones probably going to play video games: the one that just likes to show a little skin or the one that lives….in other places?

There’s something I’ve been told by some friends of mine, most of them women, that goes along the lines of “Women don’t actually dress up to impress men, but to show off to other women”. Take from that what you will (not even sure myself to be honest, just thought it might be relevant).

I’ve a question for those of you that are saying that the game is sexist for having some ‘skimpy’ armors for females: what do you say to female players, regardless of their own real life proclivity, that want there to be these types of armors for their female characters? Over the years I’ve asked of the many female gamers I’ve met, particularly in both gw1 and gw2, whether they’d life for ‘skimpy’ armors to be done away with completely. And almost without exception the answer has been an emphatic Kitten No (with only one exception that comes to mind of an older gamer that would only make Asura). I mean, if its something women also want, is it still sexist?

I’ll field this one. IMHO, it’s not sexist to offer skimpy/revealing/sexy armor for women, what is sexist, is that there is not ALSO, skimpy/revealing/sexy armor for the men.

But just so we’re clear, independent of the state of male armor, female armor that shows skin isn’t sexist to you?

If we have skimpy armour for ladies, it’s only fair we have skimpy armour for men. And if the Devs need any help, I’d suggest popping over to bikinibattlearmourdamage on tumblr.

Heya, uhh, ya got any sources for ideas that, you know, aren’t tumblr? Just, you know, ’cause…tumblr.

Hey, I’m not here to provide all the ideas. I’ve seen some interesting discussions about armour over there about bikini armour in games is all. It’s good to have a starting point sometimes. Happy gaming!

Bad joke about Tumblr was a bad joke, nothing more. Because Tumblr.

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It’s all about taste. Every person likes design in their own way. I personally like most designs created so far. I also have a few dislikes, but it’s all subjective to each person. I am very sure that Guild Wars 2 designers like every single outfit and every single piece of armor or weapon.

Well of course who ever designed them probably liked them, how do you design something you hate?….waitaminute…maybe…nah.

At this point in time there isn’t much reason to keep bringing up the fact that taste is subjective, we all know this even if we don’t act like it. The problem is, frankly, that there are a decent amount of people that are tired of how the armors have been looking the past few years, and Anet needs to take their criticisms into consideration.

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