Guild Wars 2

Mizuira.8245:

Attack on Lions Arch was really bad.

-> zerg fest without challenge
-> poor framerate
-> too repetitive
-> farming type achievements
And : Spam 1-1-1-1-1 to get your champion’s bags.

Well, everything I never enjoyed in GW2.

Battle on the breachmaker was a lot better even if the twisted Marionette remains the best (small) “world event” content. I am not interested by something similar to Attack on Lions Arch with a branded skin.

In the Escape From Lion’s Arch portion of the Battle of Lion’s Arch zerging caused failure, you had to save the civilians to win. In the later portions just spamming 1 and you failed the boss events. I don’t know what event you took part in, but as for myself and most people I’ve spoken to that were around then the Battle For Lion’s Arch world events was some of the best content Anet made for GW2.

Konig Des Todes.2086:

In the 2007 PCGamer Guild Wars issue, there was a small overlooked line about the Eye of the North. Apparently at the time in the lore it had the “same style of architecture as Arah”.

Of course that doesn’t seem to hold true anymore given the very circular design of Orrian structure we see in GW2, but it would fit the heavy eagle motif we see in Orrian undead armor. The implication that I got thus being that it was made not by humans but by the Six Gods.

EDIT: Grabbed the magazine since it was reachable. The exact quote being “It is not human, dwarven, or asuran in construction, although it resembles the architecture of Arah and other godly sites.”

Would kinda make sense in order to justify the Eye’s similarity to the Ashford Abbey, but who knows if we’ll ever find out for certain.

Donari.5237:

I haven’t had a lot of theories. Speculation, sure, but more what-if rather than I-believe.

I was dead wrong on “they can’t put gliding in central Tyria” but that’s not lore, that’s coding

I do have an outstanding, long held theory. It’s not yet proven wrong or right, but I maintain that Faren is E, Scarlet Pimpernel style, and I eagerly await the story chapter that will resolve that one way or another.

….I think I’d like that.

I’m ambivalent to swimsuit outfits, I’d likely not bother if it was in made.
However, in regards to…dyeing underwear…dude, go take your Ritalin.

Since everyone else has already stated the obvious ones (human origin, Scepter of Orr, Gods, etc.) I will bring up something that has bugged me for almost ten years:
Who actually built the Eye of the North?
It wasn’t the ancient jotuns, I believe Konig and Drax have debunked that in older threads. As is stated in EotN it wasn’t built by humans, dwarves, or asura. So, who was it?

Just a flesh wound.3589:

guilds should be able to pledge loyalty towards servers and then EVERYONE in that guild fights on that server. If you don’t want to fight on that server, you can rep another guild.

So, what you’re saying is that if I’m in one guild and fighting on a server all I have to do is to switch guilds to fight on another server? Since we can have 5 guilds that means I could switch between 5 different servers by switching reps. Or I can just leave my guild and join another to get on a different server.

So how do you stop people from stacking on winning servers when all they have to do is make a guild and pledge to that server, or join another guild?

^This.
What it becomes is either WvW goes away completely, or you put a crowbar in your wallet (in game or irl) and buy a transfer.

Ashantara.8731:

zealex.9410:

So could we pls be allowed to trasmute heavy armor with light skins mediums with heavy and light with medium (and all the other compinations).

I would love that! Then I could finally make my Norn Druid actually look like a Druid (with some light armor skins).

:\ This game doesn’t really have “druid” looking light armor. Least not by my understanding.

Get a weapon from the Ascalon Catacombs dungeon. There’s your indicator.

Different system most likely. Outfits as we know them now weren’t in the game when it launched, originally we had ‘town cloths’ so they changed how they worked a while back. Its quite possible that they are (in regards to rigs) a ‘fourth’ armor set. But all that is speculation on my part.

However, while I do think that the “silhouette” deal Anet’s been talking about is kitten, I myself do not agree with the armor classes mix-in-matching idea, and I never have.

I wouldn’t have minded Tengu as a sixth race back in the day. Hell, I kinda expected it to eventually happen back in the say. But lets not kid ourselves, its not going to happen. Some of you seem to be either letting your desire for the Tengu blind you to the reasons why this won’t happen. I think some of you are being intentionally obtuse to those trying to explain the reason why Arenanet is not inclined to put in the time, effort, and money. Anet has issues, they’ve always had issues and it seems like they’re only going to get worse. Which means the game is going to continue to suffer. I’m sorry.

Khisanth.2948:

The Greyhawk.9107:

Ignoring everything else about how improbable this is, Xbox would NEVER let players port characters from the original PC version, nor would they let players of different version interact at all. They’re kittens like that and they’ll likely not budge regardless of what Anet (in this hypothetical situation) says or wants.

Are you sure you got that right? Seems like Sony is the one doing that right now … (I mean getting in the way of cross platform play).

Eh, maybe they’re doing it too now. Xbox has just historically been a stickler for that sort of thing. And they (at least used to) kinda hate MMOs.

Hmm, why not.

Tybalt: “What part of ‘secret society’ wasn’t explained to you?”
Canach: “Brutish man with aggressively unsettling facial hair? Yes.”
Mad King Thorn: “…Laugh! Or I’ll kill every last one of you humorless worms!”
Taimi: “Thus, cancelling them out. I.E. dragons go (blaghh)”
(her personality and her VA, not so much for the “Deus Ex Taimi” they’ve been going with.)
Dhuum: “(insert sound of the Void, death beyond death)”.
Gwen: “But most of all, I do not FEAR you. I hate you. There’s a difference.”
Koss: “There are only two corsair ships, and three of us. We outnumber them!”
Rytlock: “Sharpen your blades and guard your vitals. I’m back!”

That’s really all I can come up with that stands out to me.

vier.1327:

It is not similar Hunter.

In that topic, the OP talks about how the human take godhood from powerful deidities.

In this topic, i do not talk about real gods, or whatever.

Gods does not exist, just tales and a few human that absorbed a lot of magic.

You don’t seem to be pay much if any attention to the responses to your OP, as has been stated almost ad nauseum the Six are more than just “humans with lots of magic”. At least until Anet decides to retcon everything they’ve written about the Six :\

This is a bad idea. But hell, I hardly play anymore as it is, so go ahead and give me one more reason not to.

Sarge shot Grif.6450:

Since the addition of the Braham’s Wolfblood Pauldrons I’ve been wondering if we were going to see more segments of outfits sold as individual skins? I think most players would agree that parts of outfits are something they’d like to use without having to wear the entire outfit. It’d be really nice to get a definitive “yes” or “no” on the subject.

It’s a really good idea that could make anet some extra money for minimal effort while making a good chunk of the playerbase happy.

I have nothing to add to this conversation, only that I got a laugh at your name. “DIRTY BLUES!!”

Ignoring everything else about how improbable this is, Xbox would NEVER let players port characters from the original PC version, nor would they let players of different version interact at all. They’re kittens like that and they’ll likely not budge regardless of what Anet (in this hypothetical situation) says or wants.

And I’m just going to leave this here:

Tekey.7946:

The Greyhawk.9107:

Yeah, pretty much. And its not just turning into just another clone, mounts simply don’t FIT in this game from a mechanical stand point.

What mechanical points are you referring to? Waypoints?

Waypoints, the Swiftness buff (and all the skills, traits, masteries, consumables, and runes affected by said buff), Asura Gates, Nuchok Wallows, Thermal Propulsion, etc. ect. ect.

“But it’ll only be in the Xpack maps!” Yeah, they said that about gliding too.

TheOrlyFactor.8341:

Am I the only one that finds the possible addition of mounts to be concerning? I feel like homogenization is going to be the thing that kills GW2 by trying to appeal to players of other MMO’s. By trying to appeal to everyone you attract few to no people.

I mean, if I want mounts (I don’t) I’ll go play WoW or BDO. If I want open world PvP (I don’t) I’ll play LOTRO. There’s already a market for those things.

It’s why, for example, games trying to capitalize on the Call of Duty craze/demographic don’t do well or fail when they try to copy CoD and/or appeal to the people who play CoD. There’s already a game/series that does that. It’s called CoD and they’re going to go to that and stay with it rather than try something that’s trying to steal CoD’s thunder. :\

Yeah, pretty much. And its not just turning into just another clone, mounts simply don’t FIT in this game from a mechanical stand point.

I disagree. Also this:

I am of the opinion that Anet does need to cool it with the Asura Magi-tech. Seems like EVERYTHING is solved with Asura magi-tech, and it kind of diminishes the other races importance. And its too little magic, too much tech, at least ascetically. You can say its “magic” all you want but its going to be off putting to be using a sword or a bow on what feels like the set of a B science fiction show.

Its all just not been handled properly.

Here’s one thing to keep in mind when considering who weakened Balthazar….he said “They”. As in plural.

Konig Des Todes.2086:

Aaron Ansari.1604:

(The wild card is what we experienced in the instance. If it wasn’t just the destroyers near us who died, but all destroyers, everywhere? And the same thing happened to the icebrood? There might suddenly be a lot of free real estate up north.)

I’m actually a bit curious about this:

Why did those destroyers suddenly die? Both mordrem and risen have remained after the deaths of their Elder Dragons, one being the death via weakness like Primordus and Jormag was being threatened by, and Primordus was only paralyzed at the time of all those destroyers’ deaths.

The Greyhawk.9107:

That would beg the question of why. Why would minions go inactive when their dragon is merely asleep but stay active when said dragon is dead?

Nothing actually has told us that their minions went inactive when the Elder Dragons slept. It could have been a centuries long war of attrition against them every time, until only a single champion lying in wait (their herald like the Great Destroyer) remained.

The Eye of the North manual even mentions destroyers as being a very real and current threat in the Depths, even before the Great Destroyer rose with an army in masse. So for all we know, those herald champions never did hibernate too (except Drakkar, being encased in ice and all) but simply waited patiently, acting only enough to not draw attention.

I meant specifically the destroyers in the volcano right before we confront Balthazar. With everything we’ve seen so far with EDs and their minions those destroyers shouldn’t have keeled over.

Feanor.2358:

The Greyhawk.9107:

Feanor.2358:

DarcShriek.5829:

Feanor.2358:

The Greyhawk.9107:

Xanctus The Dragonslayer.2318:

Well he is right. there is no honor in war. Believing there is honor in war is nothing more then a fabricated lie to justify slaughter. It’s no different then justice partly bieng a brushed up version of vengeance.

For balthazar to understand this makes me respect him as a character. He truly knows the essence of war. He truly deserves his title.

That’s rather subjective. Many believe that there is honor is fighting and dying to protect ones home and people against aggressors. War isn’t always about two equally malicious sides trying to destroy each other. War is never really a good thing, but sometimes it can be a just thing. “Evil prevails when good men do nothing” sort of thing.

“In wars, boy, fools kill other fools for foolish causes”

So if someone tries to kill you, you won’t defend yourself?

That’s called a fight, not a war.

The only real difference is scale. If one’s homeland is being invaded by a highly aggressive force that’s attacking both soldiers and civilians, something very much not uncommon in human history, wouldn’t it be justified to at least try to fight back, to keep them from outright killing you and your loved ones?

Actually scale isn’t the only real difference. The real difference is motivation. Fights are fought for personal reasons, while wars are fought for abstract ideas like territory, ownership, property, religion and so forth. You’re giving an example of a personal motivation, a reason to go in a fight, not a war.

/Shrug
I don’t see it that way, not exclusively so anyway. I shouldn’t have to say that there of course been many wars that happened for kittenty reasons, World War 1 being the best (or worse, depending on how you look at it) example. But In the cases where there is a clear aggressor and a clear defender, the side that is defending itself is justified in fighting back.

Ehh, that’s not what I’m getting, maybe you and I are just seeing different posts (literally, not figuratively).

Manimarco Devil.1790:

Its entertaining how Konig attempts to rationalize Anet’s hilariously poor writing every lore patch.

We talking about the same Konig here? Cause the rest of us see a guy that’s VERY critical of the writing (as he probably should be). There’s a difference between “rationalizing” and “just trying to understand what the fly kitten is going on in this clusterkitten”.

Your looking at the wrong threads then. Though to be fair, any enjoyment from seeing MOX again is pretty heavily overshadowed by how awful everything else was in this episode.

But you didn’t know that this was the case for Lyssa, we don’t know that she was “dimmed” like Balthy was. We don’t know that the actual Lyssa needs bloodstone magic to surpass Xera, though perhaps the human Jennah might.

Squee.7829:

“At birth, I was blessed by Balthazaar”. I uh, guess he changed his mind.

Yeah, I kinda had that issue too. Anet really didn’t think this crap though.

Well, as alive as an undead dragon minion can be.

Natto.5819:

c – With your thinking, then a White Mantle Elementalist should have been able to cast a city wide Meteor Shower if they wanted to destroy Divinity Reach.

That doesn’t make kitten any sense. Djahlat’s point there was that Game Mechanics=/Lore, which you had been trying to use as an argument. Also, you didn’t answer Konig’s counter about Xera, who was more powerful than Jennah. Was Xera also a god?

Feanor.2358:

DarcShriek.5829:

Feanor.2358:

The Greyhawk.9107:

Xanctus The Dragonslayer.2318:

Well he is right. there is no honor in war. Believing there is honor in war is nothing more then a fabricated lie to justify slaughter. It’s no different then justice partly bieng a brushed up version of vengeance.

For balthazar to understand this makes me respect him as a character. He truly knows the essence of war. He truly deserves his title.

That’s rather subjective. Many believe that there is honor is fighting and dying to protect ones home and people against aggressors. War isn’t always about two equally malicious sides trying to destroy each other. War is never really a good thing, but sometimes it can be a just thing. “Evil prevails when good men do nothing” sort of thing.

“In wars, boy, fools kill other fools for foolish causes”

So if someone tries to kill you, you won’t defend yourself?

That’s called a fight, not a war.

The only real difference is scale. If one’s homeland is being invaded by a highly aggressive force that’s attacking both soldiers and civilians, something very much not uncommon in human history, wouldn’t it be justified to at least try to fight back, to keep them from outright killing you and your loved ones?

Am I the only one that doesn’t like this “The Elder Dragons are there for a reason and we actually shouldn’t stop them from trying to kill us” deal we’ve been getting the lately. I get that having consequences both good and bad to any actions we take is a good thing for story telling but I can’t help but think that this was a bad direction for Anet to go with. I miss when the dragons were Lovecraftian level eldritch abominations that were going to eat the world rather than being the pillars that support the world that also happen to wipe out all life every few millennia.

I’m going to just leave this here:

Feanor.2358:

The quotation marks around the text are there for a reason. Namely, because it’s a quote.

It was a joke, bro.

Yeah….I’m not seeing it. We kill his dogs, not Balth himself so much. I’m not even sure we actually did anything to him or the machine at this point.

That would beg the question of why. Why would minions go inactive when their dragon is merely asleep but stay active when said dragon is dead?

Feanor.2358:

The Greyhawk.9107:

Xanctus The Dragonslayer.2318:

Well he is right. there is no honor in war. Believing there is honor in war is nothing more then a fabricated lie to justify slaughter. It’s no different then justice partly bieng a brushed up version of vengeance.

For balthazar to understand this makes me respect him as a character. He truly knows the essence of war. He truly deserves his title.

That’s rather subjective. Many believe that there is honor is fighting and dying to protect ones home and people against aggressors. War isn’t always about two equally malicious sides trying to destroy each other. War is never really a good thing, but sometimes it can be a just thing. “Evil prevails when good men do nothing” sort of thing.

“In wars, boy, fools kill other fools for foolish causes”

Again, subjective. And don’t call me boy, I’m old enough to remember the Reagan Administration.

I presume you mean Rata Sum not Novus as PC Asura don’t come from the lost city. Plus its been deserted since almost as far back as GW1.

I’m still rather inclined to view them as game mechanics as opposed to an in-universe item. Bringing up Lyle, Evon, and real world purchases only furthers this inclination. I also don’t think weapons and armor skins appearance changes are also in-universe “illusions” but just game mechanics.

I’m kinda in between. The Six, the actual Six always did feel a bit lackluster to me. Maybe in part because there is only six of them (five at first too). Whatever it is/was about them that made me view them this way doesn’t extend to Abaddon and Dhuum. The two evil gods actually did manage to create a kind of awe in my opinion, which is weird since its only these two that we actually get to see, and one of them we kill.

We’re not 100% sure that Jormag is also asleep, Taimi admitted as much herself, it is probably the case. More importantly though, we also don’t know how long they will stay asleep. Its rather unlikely that this is the last we’ve seen of either Elder Dragon. A mass migration back into the Far Shiverpeaks prematurely could and probably would get a lot of people killed.

Well, even though everything else went wrong, at least we get MOX back. That’s something, I guess.
Edit: I suppose I should amend that statement a bit as I rather like Taimi in this episode as well. Which is weird since I didn’t really like her when she was first introduced. Whomever is her VA does a remarkable job imo.

Xanctus The Dragonslayer.2318:

Well he is right. there is no honor in war. Believing there is honor in war is nothing more then a fabricated lie to justify slaughter. It’s no different then justice partly bieng a brushed up version of vengeance.

For balthazar to understand this makes me respect him as a character. He truly knows the essence of war. He truly deserves his title.

That’s rather subjective. Many believe that there is honor is fighting and dying to protect ones home and people against aggressors. War isn’t always about two equally malicious sides trying to destroy each other. War is never really a good thing, but sometimes it can be a just thing. “Evil prevails when good men do nothing” sort of thing.

All the horses got killed off shortly after Edge of Destiny came out, thanks to all the arguments about Logan and Jennah repeated ad nauseam.

Well, I’ve said my piece on this, as works of fiction its all subjective anyway. We’ve all gone a bit too far down the rabbit hole as it is, too.

Actually, there’s something I did want to mention to you, Ardid. At the top of the thread you state that in-universe permanent sex changes exist, and the fact is that this isn’t quite true. The one NPC in LA, the aid worker, uses mesmer illusions to take on a female appearance. So Tyria doesn’t have actual sex changes (magical or surgical) to the best of our knowledge. Unless your referring to the Total Makeover Kit, but your going to have a very difficult time trying to argue that those are an actual in-universe lore item and not a mere convenience game-mechanics item.

At the risk of going even further off topic, I still think your looking at it the wrong way. The ancient myths and legends of northern Europe, as well as many other old world cultures, didn’t have origins of worlds and races the way modern fantasy often does. These old world legends often didn’t follow “any economic, biologic or simply “logic” rule” in regards to whatever (often vague) creation myth, and Tolkien was specifically trying to emulate that style of storytelling.

As for your specific criticism of an “all knowing, all powerful, subjective yet unarguable being” (side note, what do you mean by subjective? I’m not quite following you there) there’s something else one has to remember about Tolkien: (and do realize that I bring this up here at some risk) the man was a devout Catholic Christian and he chose to have his writing reflect that at some level. He didn’t do it for “convenience”.

This isn’t going to be a perfectly accurate way of explaining this but his Legendarium was a kind of hybrid between the culture and romanticism of the Old World Europe and….the spirituality and ethics of Judaeo/Christianity (yeah I probably butchered that). But whatever exactly its supposed to be, to Tolkien this world of his was going to HAVE to have a central monotheistic deity, with the old world pantheon expressed via the Valar, who are a sort of hybrid between polytheistic deities and arch-angels, with the Maiar serving as the demi-gods/faerie and (regular) angels. And personally, I actually found his idea of “The Music of the Ainur” to be interesting and fairly unique in comparison to many real world mythologies and modern fantasy lore.

I get that this sort of thing isn’t popular nowadays, but he did this for a reason and it wasn’t mere convenience. With how much work he put into everything else (as the memes go, giving names and backstories to every leaf and rock) coming up with some other creation story for the different races wouldn’t have been difficult but it didn’t fit with what he was trying to express nor with what he himself believed.

To try to tie this back to GW lore, one could make the argument that one of the (if not the) defining elements of GW’s world and lore, The Mists, could also be seen as “convenient” and “cheap”. Everything comes from the Mists, in one way or anther. Gods? The Mists. Demons? The Mists. Alternate Realms? The Mists. Strange unexplainable phenomena? The Mists. Lore explanation for PvP and WvW? The Mists. Its not hard to view many lore concepts in many different works as convenient, cheap, or lacking in creativity if you look at it in too narrow of a fashion. And even if a concept at the end fails to interest someone doesn’t mean that the creator wasn’t putting in an actual effort or somehow lacks creativity. Some ideas just aren’t for everyone.

Fluffball.8307:

Freud said the only unnatural sexual behavior is none at all.

Yeah, things like that is why psychologists are rejecting Freud-ism more often these days.

In regards to Tolkien, the man created his stories for multiple reasons, few if any of them to really intentionally “create” a new genre of story telling. He was however intentionally creating a new “Lore” to replace many of the Old World stories and legends that have now become lost to time. His writing style reflects this. To often people read LotR and the Silmarillion through a modern lens, expecting them to read like a modern story when one should view Tolkien’s work as if it was something very ancient. To put concepts such as evolutionary biology (which probably wasn’t half as developed in Tolkien’s time as it is now) or similar ideas into origins and relations just wouldn’t belong in such a story.

Call it cheap all you want, that’s your right I suppose. But do you think you can create something a quarter as complicated and compelling? I know I can’t.

Blaeys.3102:

The Greyhawk.9107:

I’m inclined to disagree on both points. For the latter, Engineers already ARE medics, they have multiple ally healing abilities. Maybe they aren’t as strong as druids, but that kind of thing is subject to change as skills get buffed and nerfed.
As for guardians…unlikely. For one thing, Garm has been sticking with Rox so far, not Braham (iirc). So no direct foreshadowing within the lore as of yet. But more importantly, I find unlikely that Anet will give Guardians a second Ranger based elite specialization, and honestly even the idea is a fair bit perturbing as well. You’d effectively replace regular rangers with a heavy armored type of ranger that has all these party buffing abilities. Also, we’re talking about a class mechanic, not just a weapon skill set or a type of skills like traps. These are supposed to remain mostly unique to their respective class. While almost all of the classes have summons or “pets” of some kind (including the ones guardians all ready have) animal companions should remain something exclusive to rangers.

Youre probably right. My track record on these kind of things isnt very good.

(slight spoiler)

However, to the point about Garm. At the end of the Bitterfrost story arc, Braham says “come on Garm, let’s go” or something to that effect and the two leave together to head to Hoelbrak.

that said, again – Im probably wrong.

Hmm, don’t remember that line, guess I’d have to go over that episode again.

Sartharina.3542:

Why are people trying to describe the magical plant people created in imitation of human life and existence in terms of non-Tyrian-based Real World science?

I don’t kittening know anymore. I mean, its one thing to look at this stuff for fun to try to understand it better (and as we are non-Tyrian real world people we’re going to look at it as such), but HOLY KITTEN have we gone WAY too far down the rabbit hole.