Guild Wars 2

To me my PvE is really to fund my WvW. I need gold. I get it better in PvE and the spend it for WvW. Incidentally I went into WvW today and BG was empty. No enemies no allies……just a bunch of empty golems.

I think op might have a point. I think pints are the problem or at least how they are rewarded. Players who have been around a while know not everything that gets you points means you were actually contributing to the win. Anet basically says, “This is pvp and these things give you points!”. If you look at t from that perspective there is an ingrained idea that these things are good to do though it may be the opposite.

The problem is power creep is how we got here. A buff to one build is just a nerf to another. It really is that simple.

Balancing is a silly game. People will come here ego in hand after eating a loss and look to get what beat them nerfed (this is pretty normal). If you say my class needs a buff others will jump in and say no. They just got beat by someone of class x and do not want to see it get any stronger. No matter how you slice it their will gaps among players (I just got beat by a thief I couldn’t lock down for example several times). I didn’t come here to beg for thief nerfs. My timing was off and I just couldn’t land anything. That’s the point.

We do not need much creep or nerf. Players need to analyze how they got beat and why. Some players are just better than others but that message never gets through.

If their were any criteria beside fun for balancing it should be risk/reward. Too many builds have too few risk and too many rewards.

Imho play what you are good at and like. If we all went with what was meta every single time in every single aspect of the game it would be boring.

Here’s a tip. In PvE if you are not in the meta do your story modes and start your own runs. Watch video ahead of time so you know the run. Use what you can to support the group. Most players do not care or mind unless you bring a build that makes the run harder.

In PvP a pew pew ranger can and will in many cases just kill off players who aren’t paying attention. So many times you’ll get kills for playing like a sniper.

In WvW a ranger can out run most classes. S/D has some good evades, GS mobility, and LB stealth. Pew pew will run over most but not all builds when well played.

Play every class you can. Knowing mechanics and how to pressure is one of the keys to winnning.

Do not come whining to the forums immediately is you lose think about the loss and figure out if you could have done anything differently.

dancingmonkey.4902:

Celestial is a bit different in WvW than it is in PvP. I under the impression the OP is asking in a WvW context. Unless I am missing something, and am incorrect in that assessment, why does this conversation keep getting drug off topic, into PvP?

Most people saw the words “celestial” and “good” and started typing without paying any mind to the OP. In WvW I honestly believe roaming as an engi is more about the build than anything else. If you can’t run or kite you can’t roam simple as that. The stats are important but celestial is a big investment when you could run dire, rabid, or knights and still get some decent results.

The real questions are a bit mean but probably are the root to the issue. Will an experienced thief who does not overextend have issues with survivability? If your glass and you miss your burst and get punished is that really an issue of a 2,000-3,000 hp?

Imho their isn’t an issue on this class but most of the others. In a burst meta the burst class is king. A well played thief will down anything he or she likes including other thieves. to say, “This class needs a buff!” in this meta without considering the others is a bit silly.

What needs to be toned down is the burst. It will promote more counter play for just about everyone.

Look it is not complex. Combat stealth is, was, and likely forever will be a cheese and bad mechanic in the eyes of the majority of the community. It promotes a counter play most people simply do not enjoy. Thief in general gets hate as a class for insane burst and the capability to disengage at will stealth or not. This is probably unfair but thief does not have much aoe, support (I mean real support), or the diversity of other classes. In short the hate is real but there are some real trade offs.

I would ignore the hate though. thief is one of the few classes accepted in every aspect of the game.

Either Anet will nerf it or give other classes tools to compensate. No matter what idea people think is the best or what massive change in mechanic they come up with history probably has the answers you are looking for. Expect a nerf or a general buff to revealing traits. Until then compensate.

SuicideFall.3697:

Celestial has been destroyed, our new trait lines focusing on lack of diversity force us into either full condition or full power builds. If you try roaming with celestial you’ll get rolfstompedX1000 as engineer currently is with many bugged traits.

I know you said you’ve already crafted celestial but this my set up, I didn’t want healing power as it scales poorly so i focused it into other stats. Ferocity is a bit low but overall its a good balance.
http://gw2skills.net/editor/?vdAQFAUlUUhSuYJWw+Kw6FLsF1YcMGfB4IuBBwXSdhHAA-ThiFAB/pE0QVcQS5AAPAgmUCxo6BAv/wZ6IS4CAokSGyAoPGA-e

Actually I switched to celestial and it has gone well… really well.

It would be nice if they made it base but I think we compensate. Among all the classes we probably do that the best.

Nano.3706:

I personally don’t like (pure) condibuilds that much, but a guildi of me postet this totay:
The Vipeneer
http://gw2skills.net/editor/?vdAQJAqalcTh6rYJXwdLQ7FLsFV4SdRvG4HWiBgYHFjPBA-TVCEABJoEcG1f2Z/hvPBAqoDgEtAIp8DAzfO/AAIFAMTjA-w

Poison is like burning very strong at the Moment. Will give it a try. Cudos and copyright to chad / maesto.
Check out his channel on youtube, maybe he will make a video regarding the Vipeneer. (“ChadGW2”)

I am running a similar build right now. I would stay away from pure condi with a 10 foot pole. Eles are running earth heavy lately and even on my celestial ele I ran into a few pure condition builds that could do not damage to me at all.

If the OP is new celestial gear might be out of the question. I can give you some advice though. Do not get yoked into movement traits. You have travelers runes for a reason. You can get more than a decent bit of escape (necessary for roaming solo) with elixir S’s throw and some smart movement. If you have the heart for it try tools out. Not only will it give you access to analyze (your’e roaming so you run into thieves often) but you can maximize your tool belt skills if you use kinetic battery (stealth, stun break, condi clearing etc.).

Elixir X is a gamble but just like the old days that gamble could pay off. Might want to consider that while roaming. On top of that the Moa Morph has helped me out of more than a few situations. Tool Kit is a must imho. Running with a low cd block and pull vs not having them is just eye opening.

One last thing I know you want PP but PS and Rifle are in a better spot right now.

Lets break it down. From day one this much combat stealth was likely the wrong way to go with thief. That being said evades, invuls, and other mechanics are likely as annoying for many players. Additionally there are mechanics that allow you to pull someone out of stealth, prevent it, or bait them into attacking only to be countered. Is stealth cheap? Yes it is low cd, easy access, and dominates new players. Is it op? Imho not really as far a spvp goes.

How many threads like this have there been over the years? We all know and I mean really we know mesmer is OP right now. Like thief was and engineer and ele and warrior and necro etc. over the years. Lets cut the bs for once.

Every class ends up with it’s day in the light where it destroys the others. And instead of long time players saying,“Wow this seems unbalanced”, we see the same thing, “There’s nothing wrong with it you must be a bad player or a newb”. It is a joke at this point. How oblivious can people be? It is not like we don’t know the signs because we have seen them so often.

Maybe if this game goes 5 more years well end up with a community that actually wants as close to a fair fight as possible. So far I see the same people saying the same things to inflate their opinions of themselves, “I win you lose this build is not OP! Your’e just a scrub.” At the end of the day the nerfs goes through people cry and we target the next highest thing we can’t beat and say OP.

So how about this? Take ego out of it and ask yourself these things:

You might just be bad at pvp?
Were you ok fighting this class/build before the major buff/nerf?
Were you terrible on this class before the buff and now your’e invincible?
Is this build really balanced vs the meta?
Can you think of a one class/build counter?
Are you winning or is your build winning?

Sit back and think a minute.

Arantheal.7396:

You know that this is the old cd of AMR before the feature-patch, right?

It’s not really about that. The nerf I guess is fine but the length is just too much. I get why they would do it but in the current burst meta this really isn’t saving anyone more than once. The other thing is if you have time to do this look at our major bugs and fix them too. It just rubs me the wrong way when nerfs are coming down the pipeline while major bugs aren’t fixed.

Is there a point in complaining anymore? they get around to it when they get around to it. It has been weeks since we got the new system. I think they know what’s wrong but, our priorities and theirs probably aren’t aligning.

Yep they gutted it. 90 seconds lol sometimes I just don’t even….sigh

Phineas Poe.3018:

Still disabled despite patch notes saying otherwise.

Mhmm

XgoroX.6920:

WHY?? why is it that engi’s get nerfed and changed more then any other class? Mesmers are so kittening OP it isn’t even funny, Guardians have unreal amount of armor and dmg. so you think kittening over engi’s is a good idea? come on, i love my engi why would you kill our range and then kill our best DPS? it sucks

Because it was 100nades all over again. Mesmers are bit much atm I concur but I do not know if some random nerf would make sense. What I do know is the trait was bugged and many engineer opted out of it before it was disabled and many more used it and lol’d at everyone they nuked.

This has been and will continue to be one of the best skill based professions in this game. We do not have access to on demand burst nor do we have 1 skill nukes. We require a bit of skill and patience to play effectively. So whining about losing a one shot skill imho does not sound like and committed engineer.

I think many of us would like an eta in the fix. Nades as they are now aren’t useless per se but are just lacking overall compared to our alternatives. Even with alternate builds our mid range is lacking and long distance isn’t that viable.

I never played much Healing Bomb but how does bunker down compare in healing?

Look if you are angry about this simply because you can’t one shot anymore you are being a bad sport. I personally abandoned my engineer a few days ago. I like grenades I have since I started engineer 2 some odd years ago but at this moment the DPS was just way over the top. I hope they fix it. I love the velocity change. Until then no more playing engineer.

That being said the lesson here that never seems to be learned is that these patches need to be checked for bugs quicker and more thoroughly.

There is already a thread for this. If you look at the responses you will find many engineers waiting for this to be fixed too. I am sure Anet know but you never know when they will patch all these bugs.

Note the thread with 50 something responses already pointing this out. There is no need for a new thread just leave a response in the other. I think many of us are waiting patiently for a patch for this and many other issues.

How fortunate! All we need do is let that vile creature know that we can get him more shinies but only one of us can lead him to the trove. The can stay back and “protect” he hoard. However, in order to do that well have to know exactly where it is. If he tells us that we can leave my sword and the pointy stick I will give you sheathed. Then we can …split the treasure.

You should lead him down I,ll follow to make sure all goes well. We both know you may still want to jump…friend.

Lets find the skritt and do something to it. Perhaps we should have it meet with an unfortunate accident. You can’t be the only player it has hood winked like this. There is profit here ….yes. He has your shinies and other shinies tucked away some place. We can get rid of your problem and see a reward. Where is this skritt.

Don’t do it! I got some white gear I can send you. YOU CAN START OVER.

misterman.1530:

Maybe, just maybe, the OP didn’t mean the actual Traits. What he meant was the ability to pick traits in more than 3 lines? Just maybe that is what he meant. I don’t think OP was defending the old trait acquisition system, nor the actual Trait/Skill combinations.

I, for one, hate the fact I am locked into 3 trait lines. I also hate that I have to take a 3 of each level (adept, master, and grandmaster) – I can’t take 1 Adept and 2 Master traits, for example. So…those arguing that this new system has more diversity…I think you need to look up what “diversity” means.

You are correct I could have been clearer. I never cared about the stats myself I always compensated with gear (once givers came out I never cared at all).

What you have here is a system that is better for balance but by far more limiting. So many traits were retired and you are naturally locked out of some synergy. By dumbing it down they actually made it much less diverse. Yes we take more traits but the breakdowns are brutal.

Especially with the changes to condi they just kind of killed the art of building rather than finding the meta. I know some people won’t understand the difference but I am sure others will.

In the process of moving trait they additionally retired many off beat builds. Like turret for Engineer PP for thief and so on. They can still be used but their effectiveness (which was niche in the first place) was actually nerfed.

I played from launch so unlock etc I never payed attention. I have 4 toons over 2 years old and a fifth just shy of it. I had every skill unlocked forever ago.

VaLee.5102:

I’m not against anything, BUT, a COMPANY should never make releases like this.

Yes, devs can have their own opinions on their personal Facebook page or Twitter, but not on the oficial company one. It’s just something you don’t do if you care about the image of your company.

What if someone is muslim? Their religion does not allow gay marriage and it’s a serious offense. You praise equality in your EULA and yet you kitten all over other religions or other cultures with this tweet.

Think about the consequences for once Anet…

At the risk of a double post. What would being quiet do for them? The majority of their fan base is likely ok with it. MMOs are as addictive as many drugs so they could likely get away with it.

So far many companies have come out supporting this. They know being quiet can be perceived as not wanting to ruffle feathers ie lose fans but that could backfire. Sitting on the side lines tend to make both sides disgruntled. They already had gay characters in he game so I suspect they had chosen a side long ago. If some missed it that not really up to Anet to correct.

If you happen to be of a faith (now I have had Muslim friends that ran the spectrum of things that might not be ok for Muslims to do so I can’t say that all x are y) that doesn’t allow this then you have some options. You can play but refuse to give up your principals. You can complain and hope for a shift in stance. You can quit (a form of boycott). You can do a lot of things but realize the majority of the money pouring into Anet comes from players who support it or do not care (at least not enough to quit over this).

I would suggest realizing that this world is not exactly a good base for strong religious convictions if you feel a game might corrupt them. For example most mmos are all about killing things. However, for a Muslim (and most Christians too) killing is reserved for survival. Even in the fictional sense it should not be glorified but it is the primary purpose of this game. Forming a religious objection at this point with so much of this game and it development based on concepts that might offend seems strange to me.

Celtic Lady.3729:

TheGuy.3568:

Marriage is a funny thing here. It is a public showing of commitment but it does not require that you love each other, have kids, be monogamous, or even live together.

Historically, marriage has not been about love or commitment at all. Women were married off without their consent for copious amounts of money and/or property. Men were not expected to adhere to fidelity. The only thing you can say for it is that children were generally expected from it regardless and woe to the woman that didn’t deliver (literally.)

Of course, people can have marriages where all these good things are involved (love, kids, fidelity); it just seems rare to me. What I don’t get are the people that marry and then have affairs. It’s like, duh, you could just play the field all your life and save everyone the trouble if that’s what your personality is like.

No wonder I don’t want to get married.

Marriage is literally about commitment because that what it is. I did say love is not a prerequisite. And that commitment does not (atleast in this country) require fidelity or monogamy.

And once again that as historical view of marriage but like I said it’s pretty novel in the first place. Not every culture married off women for large sums of money. Not every society said men could be unfaithful. We have been around a long time and many people did it many different ways.

For some people love, kids, and fidelity are not what they want from marriage. Some people like the financial stability of 2 incomes. Many like it without kids (D.I.N.Ks). Many people are in open marriages or practice lifestyles where it is encouraged to have more than one partner.

I agree with you about the affairs I never understood it until I saw it. People sometimes change with time and long periods of coo habitation. They need more than what they have (or at least perceive too). Some times certain needs aren’t being met (in the bed room or simply communication). So they seek out whats missing. However, it doesn’t necessarily mean they dis like marriage. They need whats in it just as much as they need whats not in it. I have seen this first hand a few times its tricky business but its not just about getting more hook ups……….most of the time.

rapthorne.7345:

It saddens me to see how many people are split on this issue of treating people as equal to one another.

Perhaps society hasn’t advanced all too much in the past century, after all. Everyone should have the right to have their love and relationship recognised by society and now, at least in America, that will happen. About bloody time, I say.

As for this being about politics: it isn’t. It’s about narrow religious beliefs and, fundamentally, Church and State are supposed to be separate so let’s be real here; this is not about politics, it’s about people of specific religious views being offended that something that goes against their religious belief system (regardless of how biggoted and narrow minded it is) has been recognised by society and is being supported across the country by a multitude of companies and corporations. Even facebook and twitter are letting you publicly show your support for this great victory in the battle for equality for all.

Now if ANet had tweeted something to do with confederate flag, that’s something I’d be entirely against. As it is, Anet simply tweeted their support of equality for all. Good on them

Society doesn ot have ot recognize anybodies love. I undersatnd the ideal but i nrelaity society with time chooses whats ok and whats not.

Right now there are a few religious sects that are applauding this decision. Because it opens up a door for polygamy (though a ruling a few years ago sort of helped it along too). The logic being that if a group not following a traditional definition of marriage can get the US government to recognize their unions why not us? And they have more than a leg to stand on as most marriages throughout the world cross culture and been polygamist in nature (classically not currently). The question is will society or the majority say ok we will fight for this?

Society makes the decision but not all love and unions will be considered equal. Not all l will be recognized.

this is political in nature because it is all political. I mean literally. If it deals with your governance by you country or whatever power that be that ensure or denies your right its literally political. Church is political (see Frontline Gene Robinson). If you go to one when they make a decision its political. So is school. This is a very political issue just like civil rights. While it may seem intrinsic its because politicians 240 years ago removing the yoke of their parent country said something. This is politics. From getting it to pass to the shift in perception over the past 40 years its been politics. And when you ignore that you miss the big picture.

So you know in general businesses know their customer base and goes with the wind. It doesn’t mean individuals within an organization do not have their own opinions but in general they go with where the support is. Just like politicians.

I have been laughed at for being a believer and told I was going to hell for being catholic. Narrow minds are everywhere luckily I had some good people teach me to love folks despite that. My first religious teacher thought women should be priest and gays should not be excluded from the church and she was one of the most faithful people I ever knew. My second taught me to open my mind and see it fro the other perspective. Even if that means stepping into the shoes of someone you disagree with.

In my eyes speaking truthfully most of you are actually pretty narrow minded.

Seera.5916:

To those saying that marriage needs to be for biological purposes: considering the fact that each generation tends to be larger, it may not be a bad thing for some people to in fact not procreate.

And in my mind, if gays/lesbians/etc were accepted and not forced to pretend they are straight, then fewer will feel the need to get married to someone of the opposite sex and have kids only to realize a few years later that they can’t pretend anymore and divorce. And what does that teach the kid? That it’s ok to lie?

Dashingsteel.3410:

That is not factual biology….. Pure speculation….

Why would someone choose to be gay or lesbian in a culture that would discriminate against them or even kill them? There are still places where it’s deadly be anything but straight.

I think you could take that a step farther. Do you need marriage to have kids? The answer is no. Do you need marriage to live together in the US? No you do not.

Marriage is a funny thing here. It is a public showing of commitment but it does not require that you love each other, have kids, be monogamous, or even live together. What gives marriage it’s value is how people view it. What funny is that over time less people are getting married and far less are doing it without divorce.

There is no strong argument in favor or marriage as a general concept besides creating family units (insurance, inheritance, health issues ie hospital visits, laws preventing testimony). Anything other than that is just individuals placing their own importance on it. And for long time now the importance of marriage at least in this country has been dwindling.

Lets be honest here. This is not the 70s or 60s or even the terrible 80s. Some people do still pretend to get straight to be accepted by society but that like a black person painting their skin white for privilege (ie passing). I think we forget how fearless some people were especially in the mid to late 80s and 90s where there was a terrible stigma against the gay community. The kids are probably happy to exist but with the risk of getting hated here isn’t the message of not being who you are in the face of danger more detrimental than lying might get by.

I think the message I got when I was younger form the openly gay people around me is is be brave in the face of hate vs blame society for not accepting you. Hiding is hiding.

GuzziHero.2467:

TheGuy.3568:

Dude you are the same. You just spewed hate and expect a more tolerant community (ie segregation). Them and us logic is as poisonous as bigotry. “If this person doesn’t agree with me I should force them to leave.” is a very dangerous thought. You see a tolerant community lets those that disagree stay in their ranks and tries to come to peaceful resolutions. If you kick players out or try to get them to quit what makes you any better?

The fact you mention religion might make a believer no matter how accepting they are feel they aren’t welcome here. Does that really make you any better because the tide shifted in your favor? It is a real question. Should hate be accepted as long as it is pointed toward those with the minority opinion?

Additionally this is game where players will tea bag each other jump and send nasty tells. Its a mmo so …../shrug

No. Us and them is not as poisonous as bigotry. I can love my neighbour even though I am me and she is her. Or the family of a different ethnic background that lives opposite me. Their culture (them) is different than mine (us). We are different but equal. I do not despise them or their culture, therefore am not bigoted towards them. But thanks so much for trying.

As for religion, I do not feel that religious people should be hated or shunned. I do think that many of them require treatment for their unfortunate delusional state that restricts their ability to think and act of their own free will.

And where did I say that anyone should be forced to do anything?

Again, thanks for trying.

I wasn’t “trying”.

I asked you a legit question.

Us and them is literally a poison. We is literally the state we are in. Unless you are willing to eliminate the opposition.

Some people are sheep. The main thing about sheep is not that they follow but they fear anything they view as threatening. They bundle together and stick to their own. What you suggested is that as people you believe to be bigots exit the game you will see a friendlier and more accepting community…………..filled with people that are all the same.

Whether you chose to tell me about your neighbor or not it is still exclusion. Which I find a bit humorous. You think I am trying to “troll” you but you said something that was full of hate and n matter how you try sugar coat it.

If you hate group of people for their beliefs because they differ from yours you are factually a bigot. And in this case a hypocrite too. And these are not insults but facts. Literally bigotry is " intolerance toward those who hold different opinions from oneself" and you applauded their departure. I do not need to “try” but the hate I see here from both sides is laughable.

Instead of saying they should get to know someone from the LGBT community or look at it from their perspective or even to just live with it. You applauded their departure and no more glad to see them gone and even better because they were religious. You can not deny this.

What makes you any better?

GuzziHero.2467:

Woohoo! The more bigots (better still, religious bigots) that quit GW2 over this stuff, the better! We will have a more tolerant, more loving and friendly community full of people who accept or just don’t care about who loves who.

Dude you are the same. You just spewed hate and expect a more tolerant community (ie segregation). Them and us logic is as poisonous as bigotry. “If this person doesn’t agree with me I should force them to leave.” is a very dangerous thought. You see a tolerant community lets those that disagree stay in their ranks and tries to come to peaceful resolutions. If you kick players out or try to get them to quit what makes you any better?

The fact you mention religion might make a believer no matter how accepting they are feel they aren’t welcome here. Does that really make you any better because the tide shifted in your favor? It is a real question. Should hate be accepted as long as it is pointed toward those with the minority opinion?

Additionally this is game where players will tea bag each other jump and send nasty tells. Its a mmo so …../shrug

Azel.4786:

Muzicman.9741:

I don’t know where you live, but where I am, the term marriage is not a term that’s exclusively religious. Even the dictionary definition of “marriage” is one that includes a union by state. You can call my marriage what you want, but as far as I and the US government is concerned I am married.

The discussion may then be whether or not “marriage” has been watered down as a term, but, alas, this is how it is.

Again, you may support the distinction between a civil union and a marriage, but where I live this distinction does not really exist as you state it.

Okay, now I am getting very confused here… specially as the heat in this debate appears to be based on a decision by the US Supreme Court.

So here is my question, I am not going to simply discuss the word, as you seem adamant in using the word marriage and there may be so meaning to this in the context of the US which I simply don’t get and translations do not always carry the details forward, so I will discuss merely the focus of my confusion rather than derail this into a discussion of terminology and translations.

Based on what you are saying, I am understanding that the US Supreme Court deemed that religious institutions are forced to perform same sex marriages (let’s call it religious marriage – which is what I meant by marriage / religious union), in addition to state authorities doing marriages of same sex people for civil law purposes, let’s call these ones civil marriages (which is what I meant by civil union).

If this is true I am very shocked at such a decision. I thought that the US had religious tolerance and accepted that when talking about religion, it is the religious institution that is free to decide its dogmas as long as they not violate the law (i.e., you may not approve religious same sex marriage, but you must accept if a gay person writes down that it is under a civil marriage and recognize the effects thereof).

So right now I am quite negatively surprised with the US Supreme Court for basically cracking down on freedom of belief and religious institutions. I honestly don’t know what propelled such decision.

And quite frankly, at first I thought that ANET’s post was simply a support of civil same sex marriage – which is ok in my book – , but if the post had an underlying reason of the decision above, I am very taken aback at ANET’s post for the part where it is being supportive of what I deem a crackdown on freedom of belief.

However, if what you meant to say is that the US Supreme Court decided that same sex marriage can occur under civil law, i.e., what we called a civil marriage, before what ever state authority does marriages recognized by the US Government, but a religious marriage is still free choice of religious institutions, then I am glad that was the decision of the US Supreme Court – which is pretty much what we have here – and I would have no qualms with what ANET posted.

Can anyone elucidate this?

Not arguing with you but clarifying. In this nation there is a near absolute (on paper) gap between church and state. Any church could have performed a marriage between same sex couples up to this point but to get it legally recognized by the State (the church already recognizes it) it would have to be in their confines ie when you have a marriage you still have to take it to county clerks office and apply for a license. We clear so far?

What this decision does is make it legal for same sex couples to be bound (trick term) in marriage in the states eyes but any church that does not follow this is same belief does not have to marry same sex couples. We still clear?

For example a mixed race couple wanted to get married in a church in Alabama but the pastor refused. There was a big hub bub and protest but the state could not force him to marry them.

The real question comes to religious objection (Think Hobby lobby). Lets say a county clerk did not agree with gay marriage should they be forced to give the license? That’s the question. It has come up over pharmacist giving the morning after pill and other issues. Any other questions are really down to church and state separations.

Hope that clears things up.

A company is not required to be impartial. In general they will go with what is the popular opinion publicly but that is not always the case. If you are upset about the ruling then call your congress person. The only bodies that can change the constitution are the Senate and the House of Representatives. Anet has no control over it and is free to express any opinion they like. They will live with the consequences either way.

That being said politics and religion are thing you formulate an opinion on and usually stick to it. Many people are relatively hard line in those beliefs and are easily offended (I mean everybody). So in many cases for the sake of civility we do not discuss it for the sake of discussing it. Minds usually won’t change and it leads to bitter sentiment and argument.

If you do not like what happened I suggest you look at from this perspective for just a moment. In this country there are many schools of thought. The main thing for a conservative in the classical sense is that the government impede as few right as possible. For a classic democrat its that the minority be protected by a powerful government. If you think about it like this with no religious connotation (this was not a decision for or against religious marriage) the government to the best of its ability should allow you as many rights as you can get. Whether you choose to exercise them or not. At the same time it should protect the right of the minority for the sake of equality. If you think of it like this it is actually a win overall for all sides.

I can understand the elation and anger but for me it didn’t mean much. In a country where marriage is slowly becoming less of the beaten path the groups that support it the most happen to be on the opposite side of the political spectrum. At the very least your children will know one thing. In the eyes of many marriage is still very important.

Hlord.5940:

here is for engi
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9zOWZUywrrg&feature=youtu.be
obviously you have seen thief 10k
guardian have Feel My Wraith burst
ranger have Rapid Fire burst but not good as the other classes mine you but it got a range of 1500 and cd of 8 sec so it’s kinda event out
scepter ele

every class have their burst build too, well except necro, haven’t figure it out or seen it yet, don’t know why guys treat mesmer burst as the second coming

To be fair the engi one is a bug. The rest seem as intended.

They should fix this but if they sit on their hands nerfing the ridiculous op skills other classes have then they are mad.

ZudetGambeous.9573:

Lol… plays the most OP class in the game… complains one skill that was literally an “I WIN” button gotten nerfed…

/facedesk

5/10

How was a slow moving low damage aa an I win button?

With the exception of stats the old system did factually allow for more diversity. That’s not even up for debate. In this system you are forced to pick from just 3 traits at every tier. It may seem better for diversity because you wont pick the pest traits in each line but its ruins creativity. For classes that can go against purely cookie cutter builds and players who enjoy the untraveled path this is actually a very bad development.

For example many traits that made builds that most people didn’t use work are gone. Like deployable turrets. thief is is a precarious situation because in many cases 4 lines and the minimal invest in SA was necessary to keep some sort of condition clearing while still running builds that weren’t the norm. As it is now some builds that don’t use stealth (like SP and PP) were basically gutted with this patch.

While you may disagree if you take a hard look at work could work before and what can now you’ll see many builds of certain paths were actually nerfed into uselessness for no other reason than they saw most of what made them work disappear for simplicity sake.

Don’t believe me do you?

Try theory crafting some off the beaten path builds and see how much synergy you can produce.

Look I can’t do one of these 3 page post with lots of graphs, numbers, and charts. But I think I can keep it short and get he point across.

We liked it more, it had more diversity, and this one just isn’t really that much fun to explore.

That’s all I got. I know it likely won’t happen but……..

Here’s the real issue with this post. You have a player gone for 2 years complaining about nerf to skill that has existed less than 2 days on a class that uses so many skills that it is the least individual skill (not trait mind you) dependent in the game and that skill happens to be an auto attack.

Really?

Caelus.7139:

TheGuy.3568:

FZeroWing.2098:

So I recently decided to main mesmer and I came to these forums expecting a lot of excited threads with how mesmer has become really good. However, instead all I seem to see are threads with a lot of whining about the BUFFS?!!

I don’t understand this, could someone clear this up as to why these buffs are bad? Before when I visited these forums it was posts complaining about why mesmer has been nerfed and was not very strong, but now it’s the opposite… I find this kind of ridiculous.

I personally thing this is where mesmers should be, it makes them closer to GW1 mesmers and it’s put them at the tier they really needed to be.

I may not main my mesmer but you should read the first thing you said and think a bit.

Now people get all kitteny about class forums and who post where but let me break it down to you. We are at he point where some players have invested loads of time on their favorite class purely because they enjoy it. Many of them win or lose have been honing their skills. There is a sense of pride in beating a player using a cheese build that should have beat you on skill alone.

The problem is a great deal of players do not think like this. They play what they know they will win on. In there lies the rub. You have a medium good player who got good at a class/build who now has the tools to strictly dominate other players. For months if not years they have played a build that required a certain amount of skill but now they can beat opponents they had issues with with ease.

You said, “So I recently decided to main mesmer”, but how many times across many class forums have we seen the, “So I recently decided to main x” statement after a major buff? Too many. Memsers aren’t masochist they just want the feeling of beating some one based on skill. I main engineer but refuse to use incendiary powder until burning in general is re-balanced. I am not some masochist but some of the luster is gone when the wins come too easy. Now while the world screams “Nerf!” (because they are losing) some players want nerfs/ rebalancing because its not fun anymore. This might be over some of your heads because the mere sight of a nerf warrants an angry post in your opinions.

Some players love their class so much they actually want to see it balanced and not OP. Novel idea isn’kitten

I won’t say I’m sure, but why do I feel like thieves don’t even come close to thinking like this. Because I for one am the opposite of your description of Mesmer mains. I’m tired of getting the short end of the stick. What I complain about is not about the nerfs and however unfair they are, but the fact that when it comes to drastic changes, most of the time it’s the mesmers that get hit hard due to nerfcries and only some times on other classes.

You can’t make a blanket statement about thieves. Many lobbied for nerfs early on for this same reason. They just got forced back into burst and for many (including my SP thief) this has been one of the worst patches for a class I know I could still win on if I played DP.

Every class feels like they got the short end of the stick at some point. The difference is realizing when you have been buffed too much. That takes time but the only people who could really say it feel off are those who main the class. The best rule of thumb is if you stop having trouble handling builds that used to challenge you, you see to consistently win (where you didn’t before), or wins are simply too easy.

Mesmers for a long time along with some non HGH (when HGH was still good) engies, and some ele builds actually required a good deal of skill to pull off. There was a great deal of knowledge that went into winning. Right now too many builds (not just mesmer’s its wide spread) are moving away from skill. Its problematic across the board. This is much more of a shared issue than a, “NERF THIS CLASS ITS SO OP!”. Anet tweaked in a bad way for everybody.

I actually agree with most of this. Endless nerfs are one thing but kitten we aren’t the other classes. We have lots of skills we use not just one I win button (Yes that was a dig at rapid fire). We have lots of skills and 2 days ago this wasn’t even part of the conversation.

Toolbox.9375:

S’long as that Projectile Finisher attribute gets set up to actually trigger in its AoE, I really won’t mind. :P Mortar has tremendous utility with its assortment of Fields and the one Finisher, and that vast selection of tricks has always been my favorite part of Engineer. The loss of damage hurts, but we have plenty of crazy stuff to make up for it.

You are making sense. Its nerf on a skill that they could have introduced like this. It had sub par DPS before it does now but its the potential for CC and combos that was the draw in the first place.

BTW your name is very appropriate for this post. I shall borrow it. You have so many tools in your tool box why limit yourself to just a screw driver?

FZeroWing.2098:

So I recently decided to main mesmer and I came to these forums expecting a lot of excited threads with how mesmer has become really good. However, instead all I seem to see are threads with a lot of whining about the BUFFS?!!

I don’t understand this, could someone clear this up as to why these buffs are bad? Before when I visited these forums it was posts complaining about why mesmer has been nerfed and was not very strong, but now it’s the opposite… I find this kind of ridiculous.

I personally thing this is where mesmers should be, it makes them closer to GW1 mesmers and it’s put them at the tier they really needed to be.

I may not main my mesmer but you should read the first thing you said and think a bit.

Now people get all kitteny about class forums and who post where but let me break it down to you. We are at he point where some players have invested loads of time on their favorite class purely because they enjoy it. Many of them win or lose have been honing their skills. There is a sense of pride in beating a player using a cheese build that should have beat you on skill alone.

The problem is a great deal of players do not think like this. They play what they know they will win on. In there lies the rub. You have a medium good player who got good at a class/build who now has the tools to strictly dominate other players. For months if not years they have played a build that required a certain amount of skill but now they can beat opponents they had issues with with ease.

You said, “So I recently decided to main mesmer”, but how many times across many class forums have we seen the, “So I recently decided to main x” statement after a major buff? Too many. Memsers aren’t masochist they just want the feeling of beating some one based on skill. I main engineer but refuse to use incendiary powder until burning in general is re-balanced. I am not some masochist but some of the luster is gone when the wins come too easy. Now while the world screams “Nerf!” (because they are losing) some players want nerfs/ rebalancing because its not fun anymore. This might be over some of your heads because the mere sight of a nerf warrants an angry post in your opinions.

Some players love their class so much they actually want to see it balanced and not OP. Novel idea isn’kitten

Casia.4281:

incendary power is working fine it seems.

10 stacks of burning right quick as noted. obvs burning cooldowns too though, targeted, and melee….
4,102 burning/sec. not really seeing where 10k is coming from. nevermind 16k/s
Rabid pvp.

Blowtorch at point blank listing 11.5s of burning, 3 stacks 11,863 damage. does feel like it went from garbage to a bit much.

Throw naplam needs a nerf with this buff. this is a big part of the problem.
25s cd, fire field. pulses 3 times, stacking 6 stacks of burning. too strong on a point in spvp, and bosses wont move out of it.

Incendiary ammo from flamethrower+blowtorch is practical instant gib, if the target doesn’t have a cond removal ready. But even that can be overpowered with static shot, pdv, bleeds and vuls. we add a knockback/stun on this.. gg. ram, moa, etc..
Big CD on IA at least… But honestly it needs a rework with the cond changes.

op is using inventions, but swap to tools. get the vigor and 15% cd reduc on throw napalm/IA. And kinetic charge for that 42s IA cooldown. what even does double IA do?

Pve you can get much higher stats then pvp.

Instead of doing all of this wouldn’t it make more sense to just rescale burning?

Where? PvE, WvW, or SPvP? And which one kit are you talking about? Tool Kit? Because nothing much has changed there one block 3 second duration with a clear animation 16 second cd traited. No other kits have a block just shield which has long cds. Invul is elixir S not a kit. I can understand your frustration but before you spout a random x class needs a nerf thread formulate a full point and what nerf you want to see and why.

Damage in general is kinda effing absurd right now. Condi, burst, its just glass cannon vs glass cannon.

Over all there is a major buff here in terms of DPS but I get many players favorite builds disappeared. As it is right now we likely got the best buff of the lot. Nades and bombs are just plain better from an ease of use stand point. They made vulnerability stacking and swiftness (if your precision built) pretty easy. We got more on demand group support which is just a really good bonus. We did lose some thing but over all I like most of the changes so far.

I think 900 range is fine but I hope the pick up the projectile speed and on that note the delay on bomb kit could use work too. Depending on how they rework conditions we will likely be getting the most out of this update over all.

Thief isn’t exactly OP. I mean we have seen threads like this for years over many classes and admittedly thief is likely the one that got the most hate.

I think this should serve as a lesson to other devs in the future about combat stealth and short/no cd evades. They are just really bad mechanics from a counter play stand point but far from so OP you can 1vx anything. It just isn’t all that fun to fight.

I think for years now thieves probably place too much pressure on the opponent to counter them vs the thief having to counter the opponent. But this is all 1v1 in group play a group of thieves wont stand up to most groups of anything else. There are trade offs but I don’t see a point in the whine threads anymore.

Anet gave the nerfs, undermined a lot of builds, but they will never rework thief from the ground up like people begged for in the beginning.