Guild Wars 2

1. and your wings will show through your hobo sack.
   /win

You definitely right , rotate in some vigor with max dps stats and a small stun breaker and you’ll make a mockery of tankier specs ..and squishy targets are non existent lol.

I’ve had 12 of them drop last night myself.

Its no trick to it , just practice.

The point of the thread is , he thinks thieves are OP so he joins them and he have sympathy for those against one i think.

AlBundy.7851:

Ever heard of Larcenous strike?

You ever heard of Dodge Roll? or being optimistic for once lol.

AlBundy.7851:

lol 4% base crit chance pretty pro really making use of that perma fury and 30% crit damage. Were you exiled from the Engie forums and that’s why you decided to come and post your epic struggle against a warrior?

I posted it cause its funny despite all that CC lol , -40% duration food , Balanced Stance , Dogged March , leg specialist and still got destroyed. If this skilled warrior rage logged , i can only imagine what the despondent warriors like yourself would do :o

eldain stenlund.4306:

TheOneNOnlyGeneralBama.9586:

About a day ago i was running around WvW on my 30k hp retal engie and i went against an Hammer / AxeShield warrior , i figured it’d be the typical tryhard whacky warrior im used to , but this guy meant business. So with the help of me underestimating him and the use of Berserker stance he chain CCed me to hell , i literally couldnt do anything..he used every CC you can name in rapid succession to get me down to 50%…so i popped a heal finally and tried to immobolize him , then knock him down..all of it rolled off him with 0.5 durations…he adrenalined again and proceeded to repeat this same combo..and succeeded. Mind you he was on 80% hp and i literally ate 12 CCs from him , and i was on 50% hp with no heal up. I used Supply Crate , he proceeded to destroy the turrets like any smart player would do(eventually giving up cause i was picking him off from a distance) , so it allowed me to rip him for a few 600-1000 shots , he popped heal and started to go for his chain CC combo , the Earthshaker and shield bash missed and i LOSed him with a few caltrops and my turrets shooting through wall , i pulled him in prybared KDed with a few more spouts of fire from my turret he downed. He rage logged , i dont blame him though because with that much CC he used on me with 85% success and i still lived (with perma protection + retal) , now that was a real LOL moment. I’ve seen vids of ppl getting 2 shotted with such combos lol.

you cant have much dmg on your engi with that hp.
must have taken some good time to kill that warrior.

http://i.imgur.com/prE6Nc9.jpg?1
I had 3,350 atk with max bloodstacks , perma retal , fury , regen , swiftness and of course protection. 1300-1600 co efficients on my heaving hitting attacks is more than enough to pull off kills on anything without serious sustain.

Yyyyyeeeeeeppppp

About a day ago i was running around WvW on my 30k hp retal engie and i went against an Hammer / AxeShield warrior , i figured it’d be the typical tryhard whacky warrior im used to , but this guy meant business. So with the help of me underestimating him and the use of Berserker stance he chain CCed me to hell , i literally couldnt do anything..he used every CC you can name in rapid succession to get me down to 50%…so i popped a heal finally and tried to immobolize him , then knock him down..all of it rolled off him with 0.5 durations…he adrenalined again and proceeded to repeat this same combo..and succeeded. Mind you he was on 80% hp and i literally ate 12 CCs from him , and i was on 50% hp with no heal up. I used Supply Crate , he proceeded to destroy the turrets like any smart player would do(eventually giving up cause i was picking him off from a distance) , so it allowed me to rip him for a few 600-1000 shots , he popped heal and started to go for his chain CC combo , the Earthshaker and shield bash missed and i LOSed him with a few caltrops and my turrets shooting through wall , i pulled him in prybared KDed with a few more spouts of fire from my turret he downed. He rage logged , i dont blame him though because with that much CC he used on me with 85% success and i still lived (with perma protection + retal) , now that was a real LOL moment. I’ve seen vids of ppl getting 2 shotted with such combos lol.

Yay for market manipulation via patches

Lol oh stop whining , if you don’t like the thing then dont get it . If you lack the funds to get it then thats always room for begging in LA

Well for the select few thats why i said MAJORITY lol

i get the feeling majority of u well under 2k hrs

Greatly appreciate the re-upload Shank , now we can analyze more clearly whats going on :P

Hmm the farming nerfs havent effected me but im at the point now where im forcing MYSELF to play this game , when i say im soooo out of options for fun lol…i WvW for like an hr or 3 but by then im completely bored out of my mind . When i first joined this game all i did was farm Charged Lodestones till people told me there better options , tried COF and everything between and now i fee like im at the end of the road . I cant even be bothered to do PVE , so i have no income besides speculation transactions and we all know how long term those are. (Huge profits though)

Guess its about that time to take that long break sadly.

Deified.7520:

TheOneNOnlyGeneralBama.9586:

HUNTSMAN 2.0
Drop 10 in tools and grab Another 10 in Alchemy for Protection Injection since you have no stun breaker , remove slick shoes and grab Elixir R for more dodges / ranged rez for team support or grab Elixir S for clutch stomping / rezzing or escaping. Grab 6 runes of Melandru to handle stuns and conditions even better.

Yeap thats something I actually do, in terms of skills no runes (i’m poor to be constantly switching haha). It really depends on your roaming comp. One of the reasons I go for slick shoes is because they are great for shutting down highly mobile classes. Since I roam with almost all thieves, basilisk is the only immobilizer they really have, making eles and other thieves quite hard. I usually Pull>Slick Shoes>Net turret+daze>immobilize with gun> immobilize with net turret toolbelt>knockback with rifle. Slick shoes also offers some good multi knockdowns when fighting against more than one person.

Its cooldown just doesnt justify that slot but more power to you for liking it

Now stealth isnt strong enough?…mind boggling.

HUNTSMAN 2.0
Drop 10 in tools and grab Another 10 in Alchemy for Protection Injection since you have no stun breaker , remove slick shoes and grab Elixir R for more dodges / ranged rez for team support or grab Elixir S for clutch stomping / rezzing or escaping. Grab 6 runes of Melandru to handle stuns and conditions even better.

Ok now you know better than to go down that hill with low hp..the most shallow hills will damage you for 60% if not instagibb in this game lol

Nickeloneon.8714:

TheOneNOnlyGeneralBama.9586:

Scoobaniec.9561:

eldain look at my post again..ahaha xd i dindt said what u quoted.

Read a few posts lately , and apparently the quote system needs a nerfing. Hopefully somone will get around to creating a post pertaining to this soon.

NeRF Teef forum. They 2 OP. it’s make me QQ moar!,!!!! I deserve win not died. No need practice only be happy kill ez players. Ewwww teef need inteligence to kill. I No smart so i no like game cuz i cnt beat gooder players. nerf teef then nerfz thief forum so they no cnt fight back cuz too hard if ppl fight bak makez em OP and not so ez preys.

Let me guess “English isnt your first language”? I think we deserve an apology mate..

Scoobaniec.9561:

eldain look at my post again..ahaha xd i dindt said what u quoted.

Read a few posts lately , and apparently the quote system needs a nerfing. Hopefully somone will get around to creating a post pertaining to this soon.

Tool Kit , you missing that Block , Caltrops for control , that pull and the world renowned Prybar..how can you live without that baby..it scales exceptionally well off power not to mention that gamechanging 5 stacks of confusion

Hit somone with that and they rethink their life.

Buttercup.5871:

Osi.3504:

[…] all it means if Arena Net made the content too common and therefore those were the results [..].

Two things about this phrase.

First, you saw that Anet made the minis “too common”. In other words: it could not have been intended, certainly not in combination with its rarity level (rare/yellow), and certainly not in combination with the mystic forge! In fact, you knew this situation wasn’t normal, and that minis were normally gem-generated. As you stated in another thread:

Osi.3504:

Considering mini’s are regulated by gem store price […]

Second, when Anet makes a mistake which allows for unintended game play, this doesn’t give you a carte blanche to just use it at will, and say “well Anet, you designed it, this is the result!” What matters is whether you used it, to what extent you used it, and what the result was on the market. In your case, you contributed to a major market crash in a major way. You saw that your forging, and that of others, was crashing a market. You stated in this thread that you saw it; the prices kept dropping and dropping and dropping. Yet you kept forging and forging and forging ahead. Was it intended? No. The rarity level was changed very soon as a result. Now, I’ll happily admit I’m still confused with Anet’s decision to change it to masterwork quality, and allowing it to be forged as well. However, I don’t believe Anet’s decision to do so (make it masterwork + forgeable) can be interpreted as Anet having always intended to crash the mini market with the introduction of this event mini; I tend to believe they made it of masterwork quality because the damage had been done already. Most likely, Anet does not have a proper tracking system for (ab)use of the forge. This would explain why no measures were taken against the godskull abusers, either.

Lastly, coming back to your comparison with the glob to dust market. That game mechanic was explicitly in the patch notes, i.e. it was intended. The fora were filled with people requesting Anet to please crash the dust market. For months! When this mechanic was implemented, some people made a loss, some made a profit, both of which is irrelevant. What is relevant is that it was intended, it was announced in the patch notes, and that it made the dust and glob market a little bit healther for every user in this economy.

Ps. Please use the “reply” button for quoting! It now looks like I pumped 720g into these minis, whereas it was a quote from me, addressed to you.

He clearly knew what he was doing from the start , and probably have done it in the past..theres no reason to continue explaining anything to him because every one of his hostilic wall of texts screams “IM GUILTY , but FREE” .

Shanks R Us.2489:

TheOneNOnlyGeneralBama.9586:

Couldnt watch but 4 mins of it but i imagine you got the downvote cause of the poor video quality but nice job on the kills. Pretty good engie

Well, if you can bring yourself to deal with 480p, I recommend watching the last clip in the video. It’s rather entertaining

http://youtu.be/ruySfKMqzEc?t=9m35s

Sitting here eating breakfast , but im going to watch the entire thing ^^

Daecollo.9578:

Fenrir.5493:

Daecollo.9578:

Warriors do more damage then thieves.

Axe autoattack’s 3 chain does more damage then backstab.
Whirling Wrath does more damage then backstab.

Lies, not even the 3 hists of axe autoattack are the same damage of 1 single backstab, even dagger autattack does more damage, what are you doing here in this forum?, you clearly have a thief that enjoys 1 hit killing people.

Fenrir, read my posts and check your eyes. I have a thief and a warrior. However I am here most of the time moreso then anywhere else.

You have read dozens of my posts here trying to fix the warrior, but YOU CAN SEE THE TOOLTIPS IN THE LINKS.

Backstab isn’t the 1-hit-kill attack you say it is. Its less damage then most other normal abilities.

I stopped reading when i read this part. Tell us you trolling right? :o

Basically 2 people dude.

Couldnt watch but 4 mins of it but i imagine you got the downvote cause of the poor video quality but nice job on the kills. Pretty good engie

Black Teagan.9215:

The Game Slayer.7632:

let me add my two cents in. THIEVES CAN HEAL FOR 500 HEALTH PER SECOND VERY SECOND THEY ARE IN STEALTH. More healing than an average ele. And they can do this utilizing only two traits.

And?

Guardians can heal more than 300 points every sec, without any requirements, and this also on 4 persons if they will.
And btw, thiefs have no skills to block or negate every dmg.

Uhm blind fields and evasions come to mind…lots and lots of them both lol

Velron.3729:

Travlane.5948:

rogerwilko.6895:

Faeyd.5094:

Engineer can’t beat a thief? This is a bad spec issue or L2P. Engineer instruction video (last two fights, not the ranger ones):

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/thief/Caed-S-D-Semi-and-Finals-1v1-tournament/first#post2217083

lol you kidding, right?

go WvW on engi on t1 -> t3 and let me know how many thieves you Own))

“L2p” lol elitists.

t1 1 v 1 players are actually the most horrid ive ever seen. t2 are decent/good some of the best were t3. prolly bc the zerg mentality from higher pvp pops.

Would not shock me at all. I know when we recently faced Dragonbrand I felt like they had more skilled roamers/small parties than SoR or BG.

When you suck at one thing you have to make up for it in other things , yes i’d have to agree with that above statement because when we faced DB their zerg versus our zerg was a snorefest but their small group roaming even some solo roamers were quite apt in dueling / small scale encounters.

Masterjalf.4928:

Why that thief didn’t use SB to kill those spirits and destroy those turrets?

Cause he would of got spiked down in the process , esp with those turrets 600-1200 range..the #2 on SB may travel up to 1200 but like nades they have a flight time that could cost him his life quite easily.

Nickeloneon.8714:

TheOneNOnlyGeneralBama.9586:

He will shadowstep with cloak dgger skill and proceed like nothing happened.

Lol… Of course he’s trolling.

Aaaaaaaaannndd thats 1 person who competent enough to identify this thread , my hats off to you sir.

swinsk.6410:

Lol l2p. I hate saying it but its what noobs need to hear.

Ahhhh the good ol* L2P* , its the answer to all posts pertaining to class balance

Helcor.9527:

Dont worry OP this will be handled in time or the game will suffer.

Hasnt the game already been suffering lol?

Pizz.3698:

I run a power build and I have yet to be beaten in 1v1s, including bunkers. Mesmers are usually the hardest to kill but they’re still easy to kill. I wreck those HGH engis any day. I think you should play a build you enjoy and not let others dictate what you should use.

Hell, you should make your own build to fit your playstyle.

Well you beat me to it , everything on the rifle is good but not great…the net shot OCS and JS are all gamebreaking . Blunderbuss definitely needs a range buff , but it has its uses.

Prybar and slick shoes. nuff said

Actually you’re wrong , when i go 100% condition duration all my spells show double the duration in increments of 1/4s duration.

Ahh ok i got you missed up with another good guard in your guild.

wish.1027:

Engels.8537:

wish.1027:

solrik.6028:

I’ve read that thief has an easy time going full berserker and still have a lot of survivability with the stealth skills.

You heard wrong. But thief is amazing at crushing bads dreams that theyre good and making them QQ on forums.

Jade Quarry Guardian. Jade Quarry Thief
Strike Force [SF] Spam Force [SF]
w/ an alt thief and warrior I just play thief cuz is great

Fixed for you

Except my Thief is on Gate of Madness, and I play it less often than my Guardian, since its just my alt. And ya, Thief is great. I can solo roam and kill tons of people quickly. I do the same thing on my guardian though, it just takes longer to move from point A to B and takes a lot longer to kill 2-3 people at the same time. But I can still easily ditch fights I cant win, its called “Snowleopard form” and its freakin amazing and open to everyone, just roll a Norn.

Would your guardian happen to be dark skinned with white beard using hammer / gs?

You’re suppose to be a scout not an assassin , go D/P

Travlane.5948:

original poster is a nub. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yYS9Q8Iq0Dk FINALS of a tournement. S/D zerk thief vs engineer. the engi didnt go below 75% hp in any of the fights. this guy is a donk . please lock and erase thread. fail

Lol , oh god now that was the laugh of the day man…i appreciate that one.

Travlane.5948:

TheOneNOnlyGeneralBama.9586:

I dont quite understand people who wants to duel and run around the entire area and completely out of the bounds of a duel area only to heal up etc…the entire map isnt the dueling area , this 720 radius is all thats needed..now lets dance shall we?

so basically run engi ftw? supply elite in those rules are about 300% overpowered. just drop it in the middle and pull with engineer/immob :P cmon theres no chance. personhally if i see an engi drop supply… i would never go near it.

Be fair man , we have to facetank you guy’s TG or attack blindly inside you guy’s spammed SR lol..be a sport and stay within proximity of the drop -.-

I dont quite understand people who wants to duel and run around the entire area and completely out of the bounds of a duel area only to heal up etc…the entire map isnt the dueling area , this 720 radius is all thats needed..now lets dance shall we?

No , RNG is just that RNG. You may get one next year or you may get one next minute..its like trying to figure how many licks it takes to get to the chocolately center of a Tootsie Roll pop..THE WORLD MAY NEVER KNOW

daros.3407:

Another QQ? I have one suggestion: If you cant beat them, join them :-D
I play S/D thief. I have 19k HP and two days ago a got killed by D/D thief in one sec. Am i QQ? No becouse i know how hardly he paid with his survival ability for this….
If i would catch him unprepared i would kill him in one sec too…

Aside from the point of you totally disregarding my post , ill take what you said with a grain of salt..ty good sir have a nice day.

All we can do is watch GW2spidy and watch as the market slowly plumetts from the cheap green minis and pre patch before it went Masterwork. I do have sympathy for the people who collected such minis only to see their profits dwindle on a daily basis..saddest part is we got almost an entire month of this. Oh the damage that can be done in such a long span.

Nah in all seriousness, i actually meant a majority of what i wrote in OP . S/D is insanely strong but after 1300 hrs on engie of course you know how to deal with every spec of thief lol (or you should by now) . You know when somone comes out with a cookie cutter build , and everyone and their granny runs it , you wont see the potential of said build till you go against somone of equal or greater skill play. I killed many S/D but till i met this one thief , he robbed me 50 secs of retal 2 mins of swiftness 35 secs of fury 20 secs of protection and last but not least 2 stacks of might. Of course i got wrecked lol , i came here to indulge in more Q.Q posts or observe more malicously biased “My class aint OP you just suck” posts lol . I can’t quite recall the person who said it , but they said just dodge the LS…well you do what any players would do after reading most L2P replies from any disgruntled thief lol , ignore it . Well , boy was they right lol , i had the honor to fight two Champion Shadows and never once wasted dodge but to dodge LS , with the use of caltrops , misdirections (prevent backstabs 50% of time) , and prybars with KDs. I fended them off , and i couldnt do anything but chuckle cause without taking my boons they were another D/D with what seems like infinite shadowsteps and spammed dodges . As it stands though , theres NO class in this entire game that wakes me up..beside the little ol thief (some play Norn , but they kinda instinct) . I welcome the challenge , but my final verdict is the same lol. THIEF STRONK , JUST REWORK STEALTH PLOX!

TLDR : Hostile or not thieves give out their counters , its up to you to swim or sink with said knowledge. I truly believe the class isnt OP , just some unique mechanics that are implemented with it is broken. One of the best classes by far when played by great players , yes i know that can be said by all classes but in particular a true thief is an abomination lol . Even skilled shatter mesmers are less mind boggling :o

You ate an abundance of shatters and blurred frenzy…you got off 1 rotation the mesmer was quite wounded…he got off 1 rotation you’re toasted.

Saddest part is , he sooo on the Offensive that he’s not even playing defensively too much at all , whilst you on the otherhand is pretty much 80% on defense and 20% offensive.

I Fight thief Wv3 and i die alot cause they 2 hit me , me have 2.8k def and D/D thief isnt not way not strong but its attacks are encumbering I can use my engie to net shot them but they break that cauze they go stealth and cleasne condition and get nother cleanse for 3 secs in stealth. So i caltrop for control and yeah its lows them for a little but its not enough to mitiage the dmg i get hit 10k backstab . Even if i remotely get jump on thief he stealth and 2 shots me with massive dmg i no lie , because you spamming skills and he sitting bk and picking teeth playing with your life.

Lets take S/D for instance , they hit like a truck..they have infinite stunbreakurs and never fall down keep coming they no stop coming i can CC them to kitten and they still bind and continue to pelt my brains out , the real pain doesnt come till they want to daze you..you not what 1/ 1/2 daze will do to you with a massive co effikitten? NUKE you with no time to retal . Run in circles in die…wheres the balance?

Ok lets dicurss the P/D , its ok but its no big deal..its bleeds you slowlyand you die eventually but P/D is fine . lets move on we shall we?

Ok D/P is a true troll , they dance through shadows like thieves in a blackout , all you can see if red circles and you cant counter them by standing in those circles cause they blind u and u no able to use skill when u blind . when you least expect it even if you do! you get hit for HUGE dmg and he rinses and repeat till you staring at respawn screen. Oh dont tell me to cc him cause thats the biggest load of crap since RNg got introduced. He will shadowstep with cloak dgger skill and proceed like nothing happened. You can get buddies to help but he will stack so much stealth you guys got better luck solo a breakout Commander.

Shortbow D/D Conditon
They are the weakest , they kill fast with bleeds but are quite vulneroble to damage , you know why? they no stealth lol …what does that tell us other classes about yours? stealth is completely broken , coupled with no Cds , regen inside it and massive dmg / cleasnes you thieves are unstoppable killin machines..forget that old vit/tough mumbo jumbo away with it!

S/P : Ok this one is unheard of , but i think somne just needs to release cookie cutter build for them to surface. then ill be back to q.q about nerfin their pistol whop.

TLDR : Nerf thief down ground . They OP too strong for normal classes we need balance.

Annnnnnnndddd two thieves have set off the alarm lol..nothing to see here move along