long live Evon Gnashblade… I hope he is actually Mr.E the mysterious ‘friend’ we have.
Sure Evon could be seen as ambitious but he also stood up for the people of Lion’s Arch against his Warband when they wanted to use force instead of diplomacy.
I like the guy, he’s much more of a complex character than Kiel, and he’s only had about a 1/4 of the time in-game then her.
I’m not a veteran fractal player but I agree with the OP, they should give them something; a title, item, gold. Taking something away without rewarding their efforts is a bit rough.
That trailer was amazing… more of these please.
I do like the Ascalon intro that you mentioned so I think its good to have a mix of styles. It keeps everything fresh and exciting. No more cheesy guitar rock music though
Too many alliances, barely any story…
^ totally this!!
if she makes yet another alliance that doesn’t develop anywhere past its own chapter then what little faith I have left in these writers is gone.
Its time to start revealing who/what/why is behind scarlet and end this. For a bad story its gone on far too long.
The day I finally plunge my greatsword into her I think I’m going to have a nice bottle of something to crack open to celebrate her death. I think in that final fight she should have a downed state so I can keep swinging away…
We feel like our fractals dungeon is the perfect fit for this kind of “historical” experience
But it doesn’t give you the complete story in chronological order. You need to create some kind of in-game way of revisiting what has happened to date. A timeline/historian/ journal that can be opened from the menu and has the LS laid out in a way that it is easy to see events, characters, outcomes, lore etc.
Just having the Molten Furnace dungeon in the fractals doesn’t tell you the full story.
We have all heard of this E, but we have heard nothing of him.
typical Anet writing, we haven’t heard from him/her in so long its almost been forgotten. And no hints either to who it could be. Another loose end – add that to the 100’s already in this tangled mess called the Living Story.
And you see no character development in Guild Wars 2? I still say you guys are all angry because the central character isn’t developing at the pace you want, but nothing more. There’s been plenty of development all over the place with other characters and places.
go on, tell us this “depth” and “development” since you are so in favour of the scarlet story please tell us. what makes her so interesting..
Those aren’t the right shows to compare this too. :/
The Comic book hero/villain way still exist and always will. Nice thing is they’re darker and more violent and serious nowadays though. Unfortunately GW2 isn’t a gory game.
Those are TV Dramas which have also always existed as is.. o.O
actually what is the right show? some cartoon network show or something a ‘little’ more complex. I would hope this community is has a bit more depth than some after school tv show.
But, that’s where everyone gets the idea that the Krait are so evil, so xenophobic, that they would never work with another race (that you are still complaining about, two quotes down). Most of that material isn’t even in the game. Its on wikis and blogs. So my question is still this: Why is it alright to complain about Scarlet’s stuff not being in the game, but everyone accepted the material on the Krait as being okay, even though most of it, is words on wikis and blogs?
But the Scarlet stuff is out of game, The Krait not dealing with others is IN-GAME. how many alliances IN-GAME do you see the Krait forming besides this B.S Scarlet patch? they are taking slaves for mulitple factions, attacking all others that are near to them IN-GAME. why can’t you see that? are you playing the same game we are?
That alone that is enough. Why do you think the wiki says these things? do you think some random made it up for fun? no, it’s part of the lore and script from GW1 and GW2. it’s IN-GAME.
And, almost every Television Show, in the entire history, of, Freaking EVER, isn’t on the same Cycle? Is the Joker supposed to not get away? Is Megatron supposed to die at the end of the 13th episode, instead of at the end of the series? Since the Secret research lab blew up, the Zombie outbreak should be automatically over then, right? I guess that everyone lived happily ever after at the end of the first season of [Insert Fantasy/Sci Fi series here]? That’s how T.V. works, at the end of the season/start of the next one, pretty much everything goes back to the status quo, no matter who won the victory at the end of the season, and no matter who the villian was.
Wow so naive. This also worries me who I am talking to – joker, megatron? – how old are you? Plenty of movies have developed. Have you ever watched breaking bad? yeah its the one that got all the awards. Why? Because every session Walt passed a point of no return (its called development). This is why it was so acclaimed. Sure you cheesy sitcom can be cyclical but other movies/tv shows pass a point(Prison Break for example). Maybe I should watch more transformer cartoons to understand where your coming from.
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P.S. I was going to go much more in depth on why Scarlet has a lot more depth then you seem to think. But it’s pretty clear people have made up their minds on the subject, for good or ill.
actually I would like to hear why a person such as you likes Scarlet or thinks she has any sort of depth. We have already had a lot of people state their reasons why she is shallow. I think it would be nice to hear from someone who likes her why she has depth.
please educate us… if you can.
Even though your points don’t really add up to Mordramoth I do believe(hope) he is behind it all. I sense he was behind it from the beginning, giving her the intelligence and drive to do all these amazing things, giving her the power to spout red vines from her body, only after he revealed himself (disguised as the pale tree) in the vision she went mad – this was similar to when Snaff almost went crazy when he wrestled with Kralkatorrik’s mind.
I think he is like the devil on the shoulder, whispering suggestive thoughts to her. She is merely a pawn.
I’m not sure how he knows of other people’s past but it quite easy to see how he would know of Caithe’s secret since he is able to invade the dream state of the sylvari. Wasn’t it one of his champions that we fought at the sylvari starting zone?
So really Scarlet has NO motive at all, it’s all Mordramoth’s doing. He’s been leading her along from the start. This latest patch shows Mordramoth’s weapon he has used Scarlet to create… its an toxic biological infestation. This might be the first of many to turn Tyria into a toxic jungle.
Its a theory with many holes, there is no reason for the Molten Alliance, and no reason for the Aetherblades, no reason for the steamcreatures – they don’t fit into this theory at all. There is nothing Mordramoth (biological) about any of them.
What ever the outcome is I’ll be interested to see how they tie all these events together. Whether they already have the story planned out, or whether they have a rough idea but its flexible patch to patch.
1) Read the short story. It doesn’t matter that it wasn’t in the game. Fact is, they gave the character depth. Oh sure, complain that its not in the game!
actually it does matter, relying on sources that aren’t in-game is a terrible way to tell a story. So far we have information about Scarlet scattered amongst the game, short stories, interviews with writers, and random posts on these forums… and you’re saying it doesn’t matter. Not everyone knows about them and even still it doesn’t give the character depth instead that created a MarySue type villain which is worse.
2) Your telling me that a seemingly normal area in the game, suddenly gets an illusion in the middle of a lake and all the trees are cut down around it, then the tower gets revealed and there’s toxic spores everywhere, to you assaulting your way to the top of the tower then killing the Krait’s prophet god, isn’t a developing story?
That’s exactly what I’m saying. Its because the story is on a cycle, its an repetitive recipe. Step 1 – Scarlet creates an alliance, Step 2 – we foil her plans, Step 3 – she teleports away, Step 4 – go to Step 1.
Why is no one angry that the Char are working together with humans? They should still be killing each other. Oh wait, that’s right. Time is supposed to change things. a coupld hundred years and elder dragons changed those two races to where they were working together.
So did 250 years pass from the previous patch to this one? No one knows how difficult the process was for the Char and humans to create an alliance. Even now there is the resistance so everything is not all perfect like you may suggest. The Krait have been always the most violent xenophobic race since GW2 was released, this alliance with the Nightmare court hasn’t developed over 250yrs like the Char/Human alliance has.
Here’s the oher problem Thobek. You, and dozens of other people on the forums complain about the Character’s apparent lack of depth, the lack of story development, the lack of questions answered, and the lack of motive, but you don’t offer up any specific examples.
There is plenty of posts on these forums about why Scarlet is a terrible villain. Go read them. Its not like the forums are full of just “I hate scarlet” everyone has their reasons, and there are a lot of them.
But for me personally – I can’t stand her because here is a villain that has suddenly popped up yet she was the only non Asuran to be allowed into the colleges, and trained in them all, she then went on to train with masters of various fields and we have never heard of her before her first introduction at the Jubilee. Not one whisper or mention of her until now, absolutely nothing for someone so accomplished. So that shows poor planning.
Second, her personality. Her childish dialogue and crazy ramblings for someone who is a supposed genius doesn’t match up. People have been speculating why she talks like this, Bobby says there is a reason but won’t say what it is, and he only mentions this in a random forum post. So to the multitudes of others that didn’t stumble across that random post its a contradiction and does not make any sense.
Third is the pacing of the story, and the amount of relevant, story developing information that is given. Its very little. What is Scarlets motive behind all of this, its 6 months in and we still don’t know. She knows Caithe secret – what is it? She has managed to form alliances – how? She managed to build a massive Aetherblade base on the borders of Lions Arch?! how did no one notice this? where did she get the resources? where did she recruit the countless pirates from three main races? How are steamcreatures connected with Scarlet? Was she actually behind the Molten Alliance or was she just taking credit for it (there is no evidence it was actually her)? If it was her how did she convince two groups that dislike each other to work together? what were they promised? Were they even promised anything or were they threaten? who knows?! How is scarlet able to grow red thorns from her body? Where does she keep teleporting to after each patch? Where is she creating this clockwork army? Who is creating it? the pirates?
Bottom line is an annoying, childish, supposed genius sylvari has turned up undeterred and not bothered that all her invasions have failed just teleports safely away at the end of each patch after a pointless monologue where she talks about “fancy panties” with no new information given to develop the story. I feel like this cycle could possibly go on forever if they wanted. No progress is being made. The only thing they are running out of is new alliances to form.
I think Scarlet’s master plan, is to manipulate a dragon to their personal interests.
don’t you mean “her personal interests”?… its not really manipulating when they are going to do it anyway.
If they seriously create yet another alliance I will go berserk! It’s already a bit of a joke.
Scarlet is a mask!.. She’s a Mursaat.
By the way, near the end (when she go through the Portal) she hisses like a snake or.. I heard wrong?
this is what is happening now, we’re starting to hear things in desperation of some development. I hope your right, I hope she did hiss and is something more. I’d hope for anything right about now.
She kind of reminds me of Jinx from League Of Legends, who seems to act evil purely out of boredom.
its working on me as well… I’m finding it boring.
The art team deserve a medal, every time a patch comes out the art/design team nail it! This latest dungeon looks and feels fantastic. Currently its the story that is letting the game down.
This latest patch is a prime example of , the story doesn’t develop. We learn nothing, and we have nothing to keep us guessing. “Who could that be? what did she mean by saying that? What was that thing that disappeared with her?”
All we got was: “blah blah Molten Alliance, blah blah faren’s fancy panties, blah blah I’m taking a break”
How about you make a post that proves : 1) Scarlet has no depth, 2) The Story Doesn’t Develop, 3) No questions are ever answered, and 4) there is no motive.
actually the burden of proof is on you. I not going to try and give you examples of things that don’t exist.
Oh no!
Someone has something good to say about the Living Story… About /SCARLET!/
Quick! Every naysayer come in and shout out their opinion /yet again!/ This horse hasn’t been beaten quite to glue yet!!!!Sarcasm aside, what exactly are you are expecting? Shakespeare level writing for characters in an MMO?
Scarlet /is/ a comic book villain. Explaining how or why she does the things she does is akin to asking how the Joker manages to get enough explosives inside a building to threaten to blow it up without anyone seeming to notice. If anything, she makes more sense then the Joker ever does because at least in Tyria, you really /can/ use ‘magic’ to do all sorts of things (like oh… I dunno… combine things that don’t normally go together… Like Oakhearts and Clockwork…)As for the cinematic itself… I liked it. Just as I liked Scarlet as a Joker-esque villain. That’s my opinion, which makes it just as valid as anyone elses here (minus the constant vitriol aimed at the Developers. :P)
Maybe Anet is targetting people like you – the easily pleased.
But there are others, the people that are complaining in the forums, that want something more; a character with depth, a story that develops, questions that are answered, a motive…
nor cutscenes…
you missed the cutscene, when you go up again you can view it again by clicking on the machine up there in the final room.
It doesn’t tell you much unfortunately. No real development in the story, just the same old stuff: she leaves, rambles on about nothing important, causal threats, and some stupid line about faren’s fancy panties. – seriously the writing is getting past annoying now.
When it comes to story though, this patch leaves a LOT to be desired. So I ask this, WHAT DO WE LEARN IN THIS PATCH??
We get confirmation that Scarlet organized the Molten Alliance and the attack on the Dragon Festival. These are things we pretty much already knew. We still don’t know WHY she did these things though.
that’s exactly what I thought!!! all we found out is she was behind the molten alliance – big deal. how about something about her motives
The last slide actually made her seem menacing for a split second.
^^ omg so much this!! When I started to hear more dribble from her I was disappointed (faren and his fancy panties?! – I almost puked) until that one slide where you could actually see some evil in her… why oh why didn’t they include something like this earlier!
She’s still a terrible villain but at least that one slide gave her a bit more character. It stopped her insane ramblings and made her look focused and evil.
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so far she’s about as terrifying as the thought of my toast burning.
love that line!
Oh crap, it looks like some parts of a massive multiplayer online game might not be solo-able.
Who could’ve guessed that?
But it is solo-able. As many people here have said.
I understand what you mean though, and I agree with you. I think it should be grouped content since it is an MMO not some offline single player game.
I’ve never heard of these types of complaints before with other games. “I should be able to solo that raid!! its not fair!!”
when I heard about woodenpotatoes idea behind the wizard’s tower I thought “wow, what a great couple of chapters that would be” and how he ties it in with GW1 lore. Brilliant. But then came Scarlet and its been crap ever since. But it should all be over soon… no more obnoxious rhubarb, and her sickening dialogue.
but she has grown on me a little bit now that we’re beginning to see her motive(s).
can you explain her motives plz, I’m not 100% clear on them.
…and WELL WRITTEN story.
good luck hoping for that, I wouldn’t hold your breath.
I think its time for something different, something ‘raid’ like (not talking about number of players). Gated paths each ending in a different, never seen before boss with interesting mechanics. You have to beat the path before being able to continue on to the next (unlike multiple explorable paths each starting from the same point), unique drops from each boss with a 100% chance of at least one unique item dropping. Have them account bound so you can’t sell them but at least be able to use them on another character. This way it may encourage people to enter the dungeon more than once to get a particular item.
ex WoW players will be familiar with this system.
Having multiple gated dungeon in a linear progression will allow a sense of an epic experience, not something that can be done in one sitting.
Given the tone he had and the other fallacies he made about the story and how he went out of his way to make the entire LS sound like it’s all about Scarlet when it isn’t, not really. Especially since the typo did make sense grammatically. I took that sentence as the same as what he said about Motto and Tequatl which is “it’s tied to Scarlet.”
the strange thing is the Anet developers said that all the LS paths would lead to a point which hasn’t happened yet and I can’t see it happening. I agree with you, it’s very unlikely that all LS paths are connected. And if they are its through 2-3 degrees of separation.
Have a look at this guy for some ideas. Not saying he has like the best arrangements ever but he does interesting things with a lot of different styles of music.
that guy has some real talent. I liked the last part of that skyrim track.
And also, the Guild Wars franchise as a whole’s plot is basically at the bottom of the MMO industry’s barrel.
I really have to disagree with that unless your talking purely about GW2. I’ve been reading up and GW1 had some really good plot’s/lore. Unfortunately GW2 hasn’t followed in its predecessors footsteps and instead gone for this lowbrow, comical, almost childlike storytelling. The dialogue has been cringe worthy lately, ever time I hear Scarlet rabbit on like a 10yr old I want to puke, its dropped off a lot since the Personal story.
Why SAB even comes to your mind puzzles me as if you just say that becouse you think this track is like an 80’s track and SAB has a Retro 80’s game feeling by so it wouldn’t be anything like SAB anyway.
Edit: Yep, noticed the song here https://soundcloud.com/arenanet and the quality is much much better!
SAB comes to my mind because the music has a dated sound, I’m thinking something from the 80’s, heavy sustain. I did like the ending to the track but as someone said earlier this would much better suit a scene of quick cut close ups showing the char getting reading for war and an army of them marching to battle. Like Hells March from C&C Red Alert – http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tb-gI_pFog0 – 32secs in.
Sadly i haven’t lost faith in devs what i have lost it in is the community and how much a train wreck its become
way to insult us all. now go away
I agree, no need to insult the community. We give feedback to the devs which is important otherwise where else do they get feedback?
Feedback on the music of a trailer is important? In what reality? Definitely a first world problem.
You show extreme short sightedness if you think music isn’t important in a game/trailer/intro. Supposedly music is the leading cause of nostalgia so I don’t want to be reminded of an 80’s rock track when ever I see that tower.
But what you have to clearly see when you are working with things like this is that you have to be open for all kinds of music, not just classic music and so on.
of course you have to be open to all kinds of music but it still has to fit into the video and the overall atmosphere of the setting you are trying to portray, which it does not.
Here we have this mysterious tower which we about about to explore, it is dark, gloomy and foreboding – cue cheesy 80’s guitar rock track. This isn’t SAB.
Its obvious that it was chosen to support the guitar competition. I just think they should of released two videos before ruining the trailer.
someone posted this on the GW2 reddit page – worth posting here. Its not good when a trailer can be poked fun at this much.
As much as i actually liked that video it dose confirm that my thoughts about the community and how they over react to every little thing arena net dose in a negative way. I mean its just a trailer you wold think people wouldn’t mind them doing something out of the box in one every now and then. But atm all i see is people willing to jump on them at the drop of a hat even at something thats ment to be funny or used for something like the contest. And what about the actual contest why no feed back thread for that and only one for the music in the trailer.
somebody really needs to lighten up.
someone posted this on the GW2 reddit page – worth posting here. Its not good when a trailer can be poked fun at this much.
Sadly i haven’t lost faith in devs what i have lost it in is the community and how much a train wreck its become
way to insult us all. now go away
I agree, no need to insult the community. We give feedback to the devs which is important otherwise where else do they get feedback?
Try syncing this here:
Start this song at 16 seconds (already have it setup in link):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HPe4G9BiIc4&t=0m16sMute and play the trailer right at that 16 second mark (yes, including the beginning credits and all):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sy_Zi4dI72w&feature=c4-overview&list=UUP_FgMqOxp_VsM0UfrL-DxAThank me later.
Nice find, I probably should of checked that link half an hour ago.
I gave it quick go to replace the audio, and added in the voiceover from the previous video..
Single player only to appease all the people who hate playing with others.
If you hate the music mute the trailer
How do you expect them to learn if we don’t give feedback? sigh.
“If you don’t like those people shooting innocents just close your eyes”
Music was awesome, can’t wait. Cool contest too. You guys rock!!!!
the music was good, but the music together with that video = bad. There are a few times conflicting music+theme works. Like a slow motion modern war scene with classic music – works, because they are turning the action of combat into a dance. But this was just wrong.
Maybe they are purposely lowering the bar as to encourage people to do better and submit entries.
what were you thinking Anet?! that music doesn’t match the visuals at all. I realise you are giving away a guitar as a prize but guitars don’t just play rock.
Totally ruins it.
If she’s channeling some old deity, that’d explain a lot of her beyond-believable character elements.
I think she is channelling the power of Mordremoth the jungle dragon, hence why she is able to spout red vines from her body.
I also believe it was him she saw in her vision as people go mad when they look into a dragons mind. This would also explain her crazy personality.
It would also explain why she is using these toxic plants. But it does seem to be killing off some vegetation which if I was the jungle dragon I wouldn’t be happy about that.
Still there are so many more questions – why pirates? why the molten alliance?
Though, this in only my opinion, I don’t consider Scarlet a flop yet, since we still don’t know how her story ends,
I totally agree, I have read lots of ideas from players posting here that are very interesting and could make for a great ending to this story.
My main concern is the way they are telling this story, its making her flat and one dimensional. There is no development of her character instead just promises from Anet writers saying “hold on, give us a chance we haven’t revealed the big twist yet”
They did say all LS arc’s to date would come to a head at the release of the Queens Jubilee. Which it didn’t. We still don’t know for sure whether scarlet was behind the molten alliance, we can only assume since nothing concrete was revealed. We don’t know how she managed to create this army of pirates, or where or how she gained the resources… they just keep adding surface fluff without getting into the details.
actually the OP makes perfect sense. The Harathi centaurs occupy this area and they are not the warmongering Modniir. I think they would consider allying themselves to deal with the greater threat.
“centaurs also have a connection to nature and its balance, capable of sensing corruption within environment”
What is more corrupt than this toxic plague? Surely they would see this as a bigger threat than humans.
tbh, I think a lot of the lore on centaurs wasn’t delivered strongly enough, I had no idea until reading the wiki pages that the largest tribe the Modniir, lead by Ulgoth the Mighty, forcefully united the two other tribes (Harathi and Tamini) to wage a war against the humans in order to regain the land their lost when the humans settled there after lions arch was destroyed.
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Hey Guys,
I Guild Wars 2 dying?
I wouldn’t have a clue, no numbers have been released. But from what I can see it isn’t, large numbers in WvW and PvE. Even in some of the most remote places in Tyria I still seem to bump into people.
If they could create a more interesting LS maybe they would bring in even more players, but for now we have to deal with Scarlet. Maybe the next LS arc will be something more epic and they can release some advertising around that.
I doubt this LS is going to end Scarlet’s storyline. If I remember right, I think the devs said it’s going to extent into and end sometime next year. Plus, the rest of this year is already booked.
The way I see it is with the negative feedback they are getting about scarlet and how this story is paced (not talking about 2 week patches) They will learn from their mistakes and only get better… fingers crossed.
Its just a shame the first major villain in the LS is a flop. Disliked by many for the wrong reasons.
Did the krait prophets actually return?
Is it a massive Nightmare Court boss?
prophets would be interesting, another hybrid creature would not
actually what would be nice if something bad happened to one of them. People do like them and it would add to the emotion of the story.
Somehting like one of them gets corrupted then you have to do a few quests to break the corruption
I find it completely absurd that people still haven’t grasped what we are asking for here, or better still, why it matters.
So what if they put in some leading males heroes into the game that aren’t idiots… its not hurting anyone, why make it a big deal that we shouldn’t have them?
I just want a character that I like. Tybalt or Forgal for example. So what if I identify with those types of character more than we currently have. It should be an equal mix. why can’t we have that??