Guild Wars 2

sminkiottone.6972:

Yesterday night I was unable to swap attunement or even autoatack in EB, we in Piken had no queue, or a small one in that particolar time. It seems to me anet servers are slowly dying down.

Something is definitely wrong at their end, as it is getting worse and worse. I wonder if they are gradually downgrading their servers to reduce their operating costs?

Pray For Kosmos.5849:

no guys, we need to continue updating gear, money/wallet systems, update visual of legendary weapons, and gemstore items instead of fixing a game breaking wvw issue/limitation.

By the way the issue is affecting PvE more and more aswell. I’m getting skill lag in invasion zones and also in Orr when the temple events are on at prime time.

Of course, it doesn’t really matter in PvE since you can just autoattack and finish the event anyway.

Brilliant new idea!

Wait… it’s not. It’s been requested about 12000 times since and before the launch.

I tried to go champ hunting with my guild the other day.

“Hey anyone want to go hunting for champs?”
“Like the train in Orr or Frostgorge?”
“Err… no, like going out there and try to find new champs to hunt.”
“No thanks, gotta grind bags for ascended.”

It wasn’t like that word for word, but the meaning was there

Whatever happened to playing the game for FUN?!

Wolfheart.1938:

TexRob.5183:

Tachenon.5270:

TexRob.5183:

Do you understand that they need to make this stuff harder to get, so that you have something to do at 80? Everyone just wants it now now now!

No. Give us more game to play at 80. Not more crap to gather to make weapons we don’t need.

If you don’t need it, why do you care?!?!?!?!

If people don’t need it why even introduce it.

That’s a really good question we haven’t got an answer to. Currently, the high level fractals are the only thing you really need the ascended equipment for, or rather, the Agony Resistance in them. The stat boost itself is actually pretty irrelevant. If players would be able to get agony resistance in their exotics, they would have no problem clearing high level fractals in full exos.

One could argue that you need the ascended equipment in WvW, but if it didn’t exist, nobody would need it in WvW.

The ascended tier is a completely artificial time sink because they do not have any meaningful (PvE) content for people to play after they hit 80. In the traditional gear treadmill games, such as WoW, the better gear is actually needed to be able to play the higher tier-content, i.e. raids. Thus getting the better gear actually unlocks new content for you.

In GW2, getting ascended unlocks nothing you could not access before, unless we count those high level fractals (each of which you have run dozens of times already to get to that high level) “content to unlock”.

ANet could have chosen between doing cool bi-weekly updates to keep people playing because the updates were fun and engaging, OR create new challenging content that requires better gear to compete in. Problem is, they couldn’t decide so they kind of dabbled in both, ending up with two directions which are both equally badly done.

Monsoon.2589:

And still with massive skill lag Anet is adding Leagues soon to WvW.

I for one can not wait to see a live broadcast of the match where both teams are unable to use any skills and have the esport commentators going LOL on the air. This is a recipe for disaster and a potential PR nightmare.

Any competitor could use that as a stab in ads. i could see ESO going: “Our servers can support 200 people…unlike some other guilds mmos”

Well if they can’t solve the skill lag, they’ll just drop player caps and we’re sitting on queue for a couple of hours again. PR problem solved.

Cactus.2710:

Tom Gore.4035:

Cactus.2710:

Tom Gore.4035:

Colly.4073:

Tom Gore.4035:

Cactus and Colly, graphics have nothing to do with server side lag. The server doesn’t push any graphics to your machine.

No but is all stress on Anets server trying to compute everything, I never said anything about it being client side.

Read again.

Graphics has nothing, absolutely nothing at all to do with the server lag, OR client lag for that matter. All it affects is your own FPS, which is completely independent of the skill lag.

The server does not compute graphics. In fact, it probably doesn’t even have a dedicated graphics card in it.

The server doesn’t “compute” graphics, but it does have to process the information that tells the client what graphics to generate. If you had the slightest clue how the server computational requirements quadratically scale with player count AND the actions of each player (position, ability, buff, condition, etc) you’d know that every effect represents an additional nail in the coffin.

The graphical effects are just a byproduct created by your client according to the actual information that the server sends to the client. It could be represented as ASCII graphics on your client and the lag would still be just as bad. I understand perfectly how many calculations there is to be done, but it still doesn’t have anything to do with graphics.

Or are you telling me the server is sending the client information how and what kind of graphics the client needs to draw?

“Or are you telling me the server is sending the client information how and what kind of graphics the client needs to draw?”

Yes … that. Every action and effect that a player performs needs to be communicated to all other players within the affected area. The more effects that occur, the more the communication required between all parties involved … one that grows quadratically as a function of the number of players AND the number of actions/effects/buffs/conditions/responses that occur. The graphics themselves are generated locally at the client, but it is the burden on the server CPU and related systems (server capacity sharing software, server-side network bandwidth, etc) to communicate everything that causes lag. ANet themselves have admitted that, and every additional thing they try to communicate exacerbates the problem. It’s an n-squared issue, and the commands to execute fancy graphics add to the “n”.

Everything you said is true, but it still does not have anything to with graphics, as you insisted before. The “commands to execute fancy graphics” do not exist. They execute damage/buff/debuff effects on the players in the area and your client just draws the graphics there for you to visualize it.

I’m telling you one last time, your screen could be showing you 1s and 0s and the skill lag would be just as bad, without a single graphical effect.

Dyno.9467:

Tom Gore.4035:

We have been matched against T1 servers a couple of times now. I would guess that even if we have lost those matchups, we have done well enough to gain rank.

But yeah, our med pop server is trumping some of the high/full servers. Maybe it’s time for you to up your game instead of coming here to laugh?

No your not, you always come last every match up i look at, and we beat you, and were crap compared to what we were

And yet the ranks don’t lie, do they?

Or are you coming up with some kind of conspiracy theory about Piken being secretly favored by the devs or smth?

WrayWray.8596:

Tom Gore.4035:

This has been done to death already. Probably not going to change, so man up and get it done. Starting locations on each map rotate weekly, so in 3 weeks you should be able to finish it easily, if you don’t want to do it the hard way.

Also, there are web based maps which show points that your realm holds at the moment. Should help too.

That would be true if the colors/starting locations DID rotate. But they DON’T. Anvil Rock hasn’t had green since the middle of March. 25 weeks!! Always blue, sometimes red, but never green.

Well that sucks. Guess you’ll have to gather a group and take those objectives by force.

Requested a million times. Might come some day, might not.

Well it would not be so confusing if it didn’t change (almost) every week. I’d rather have a system where your own colour would always be Green and the enemies would always be red and blue. Would be much less confusing. It’s not like you communicate with the enemy anyway.

It’s been there two times already. Undoubtly it will come back at some point, but could take a while now.

Turgut.4397:

Haven’t had that feeling yet. One year on. I get more Oh No! moments though. Each and every time they introduce yet MORE grind, and MORE lies. “We don’t want vertical progression.” Raises another tier above Exotic

Soon we will have ANOTHER tier after Ascended, then people won’t be saying ‘Oh no!’ It’ll be ‘I quit.’

Oh don’t worry. After the ascended grind is over they just raise the level cap and it all starts all over again.

That’s a very relevant question.

I would assume it’s like Scarlet, in that you get credit by just being there.

This has been done to death already. Probably not going to change, so man up and get it done. Starting locations on each map rotate weekly, so in 3 weeks you should be able to finish it easily, if you don’t want to do it the hard way.

Also, there are web based maps which show points that your realm holds at the moment. Should help too.

woox.9568:

Tom Gore.4035:

woox.9568:

WARRIOR: blah blah blah “whirling axe” blah blah blah…

I’m sorry, what?

most of these are extremely overpowered warrior skills. I am sorry for not explaining more clearly what every skill does but i mostly wanted to give emphasis to the amount of the skills. Furthermore it should be relatively easy for the average warrior to understand the skills im talking about

Then you should listen to a warrior player, like me, when I say that whirling axe does less damage than our axe auto-attack.

EDIT: Oh look they have increased the damage by 50% in sPvP. Woot! Still don’t see anyone using this, though.

They dropped during the Zephyr Sanctum events. Now the only place to get them is the trading post.

Caris.1594:

I have salvaged 4 rabid exotics now with Black lion salvage kits and have not gotten the inscription….
This is just way to expensive, why can’t get get the recipe and craft them like any other inscription?

The same reason why we need to grind our butts off for one ascended weapon. They trust that one day, you’ll be desperate enough to buy gems and convert them into gold.

As I said, you need to buy the weapon recipe too. It cannot be discovered.

Dyno.9467:

Or Anet could make it louder so you can actually hear it, waste of 800 gems

Did you check that you haven’t tuned down player instruments in the sound options?

Gasoline.2570:

Smooth Penguin.5294:

But RPers now have an additional item in which to use! There’s now a possibility of having an ’80s dance party in the Dead End bar.

Now you can RP with a boombox for a mighty low price of 10 bucks.

Are you arguing that the boombox should be obtainable through the game or that the price is just too high?

What’s 800 gems today? 40 gold? You pay more for most better weapon skins out there.

You have to buy the recipe. Cannot discover it.

Also need to buy the recipe for the item, cannot discover that either.

And celestial stuff didn’t get the chance to select stats. The MF was just removed.

Metallus.7690:

What I find mostly irritating is the fact that they do not even answer. I’d be satisfied even with a “Not happening, would take too much time/Cba, I’m bored” rather than being totally ignored.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/suggestions/How-This-Sub-Forum-Works

Hehe. I guess I was, because I haven’t been prescribed any.

Will have to capture a video if it happens again.

Colly.4073:

Cactus.2710:

What I don’t understand, though, is what the hell ANet keeps doing that makes it worse. It’s not like were seeing more players in WvW than we did right after they removed culling, but skill lag certainly has gotten worse and it even spills out into PvE.

All these fancy Bling Animations and skill effects/aura’s/flashing weapons all in one place at one time.

That coupled with a server probably manufactured by Alba.

You sure you didn’t say anything about graphics?

And yeah, calling others kids is totally making you more mature

Stop it already, you’re embarrassing yourself.

Colly.4073:

Tom Gore.4035:

Colly.4073:

Tom Gore.4035:

Cactus and Colly, graphics have nothing to do with server side lag. The server doesn’t push any graphics to your machine.

No but is all stress on Anets server trying to compute everything, I never said anything about it being client side.

Read again.

Graphics has nothing, absolutely nothing at all to do with the server lag, OR client lag for that matter. All it affects is your own FPS, which is completely independent of the skill lag.

The server does not compute graphics. In fact, it probably doesn’t even have a dedicated graphics card in it.

There is a thread somewhere that a dev replied to stating that large scale fights and all the skill effects and AOE played a part in the “skill delay” issue and the load on the servers CPU being able to compute all that info.

So maybe it’s that DEV you need to tell Read Again

Effect != Graphics effect.

Give up already. You know nothing of server-client programming. I do.

Tuh-KWAH-THLLRLBBblbblblll

Well that one can be manually updated by website users, but I believe it also uses the EU API as a base.

Buttercup.5871:

Ok. I wouldn’t have used the word “demand” in that case. The only way to enforce your demand that Anet implements a feature of this magnitude – which would most likely take a year to develop and consume all of Anets available resources in the process – is by way of a court order.

Oh I can demand all I want. They just don’t have to comply.

woox.9568:

WARRIOR: blah blah blah “whirling axe” blah blah blah…

I’m sorry, what?

Evans.6347:

Well that’ll get you a ticket scrap…maybe.

Anet boss: “What’s better than selling a 25-bundle of Black Lion Keys?”
Anet employee: “I don’t know, what?”
Anet boss: “Selling TEN 25-bundles of Black Lion Keys!”

Removing AoE cap would also need to come with more methods of breaching into a tower/keep/castle.

The quartz crystals are tradeable and go less than a silver apiece on TP, so worry not. You aren’t going to go bankrupt over them.

Buttercup.5871:

Titles can be as far-fetched as a gaming company likes, it makes little to no difference on your rights as a consumer.

That’s actually debatable, but yeah I’m not going to court over it even if we would never get guild wars

They’re having trouble figuring out how to monetize the guild halls. In fact, they’re having trouble figuring how to monetize guilds, period.

Jack of Tears.9458:

Lafiel.9372:

you finally learn to give up doing your dailies. I’ve been doing my dailies everyday without missing even a single one since the early start weekend. The first step is the hardest but man, once you’ve missed one, you don’t really care about it anymore. I urge anyone else who feels like it’s a chore to just leave it. Your time is worth more.

Yeah, I figured this out waaaaaay back when and it really made the game alot more fun to play. When I was obsessing on dailies it started feeling like a chore, but when I just stopped looking, stopped picking what I was gonna do that day and just played the game, all the fun came back.

And the joke on it all is that you still end up doing your dailies most nights, right?

aspirine.6852:

Tom Gore.4035:

Ugly BiS weapons.

Gem store.

Transmutation Crystals.

Hmm…

Hah, i didnt think about it like this. But i thought designers do have some pride in their work.

Trust me, in the future all the best looking weapon skins will be behind Black Lion Claim Tickets.

They are now offering 25 keys for a reduced price. Coincidence?

Hey shikan and welcome to the wonderful world of MMORPGs.

You’re in a sticky position for sure. If you already did purchase any gathering tools (sickle, axe or mining pick), harvest a couple of nodes and sell the result in the Trading Post. With one harvest you should have enough money to buy a new land-based weapon.

If you don’t have any harvesting tools, you can ask people in map chat to send you enough money for a starter weapon, or go to one of the places in queensdale where there is an underwater area. Kill a few mobs and you should get enough money for a starter weapon.

Yeah I’ve been hit by skill lag, but this was different. All my skills were executing right when I pressed them, not with a delay. Also, I don’t think skill lag lets you capture points 2x faster than normally.

Also, I wasn’t taking any more damage from guards.

Windu The Forbidden One.6045:

The Guild Wars happened even before the events of gw1. They have absolutely nothing to do with both games at all. The reason why this game is called guild wars is beyond me.

Essentially this.

It is misleading for anyone who hasn’t read the lore of GW1 or GW2 before buying the game.

Therefore, I demand that ANet adds proper guild wars in our Guild Wars 2 game to stop misleading customers.

And by proper guild wars I mean something like this:

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/suggestions/So-When-are-Guild-Wars-coming/first

Lafiel.9372:

Tom Gore.4035:

Lafiel.9372:

you finally learn to give up doing your dailies. I’ve been doing my dailies everyday without missing even a single one since the early start weekend. The first step is the hardest but man, once you’ve missed one, you don’t really care about it anymore. I urge anyone else who feels like it’s a chore to just leave it. Your time is worth more.

If it feels like a chore and you finally stop it, the next stop won’t be far. Soon you will stop playing at all.

Which you totally should, if it does indeed feel like a chore.

I love doing the daily achi

That’s a problem though if what gw2 has come down to is having fun doing dailies lol

Alright maybe I should rephrase. I don’t really “do dailies” as much as I just play the game and before logging off check what I’m still missing, if anything. Most of the days, I’ll have 5/5 or more before I even look what’s on the list today.

But that’s probably because I play most parts of the game and swap between them all the time. In essence, I play whatever I feel like playing on a given login.

I also don’t stress over the dailies either. If I don’t feel like playing on a particular day, I don’t play and that’s it.

Chullster.3608:

Last time was today when I got an alpha key to start playing Rust, a cheapo browser game.

I’m pretty bored of GW2, I know it’s not Gw1, and that’s why I’m bored I think.

Good luck to all the WoW players, now you have your treadmill, cya.

Dude, WoW players have absolutely no reason to step into GW2. They have WoW, which just came out with a ton of new content.

That said, nor do GW1 players.

GW2 is its own game and it takes its own direction. I don’t quite like the ascended stuff, but as I can progress towards it at my own pace I don’t really mind, that much.

No I’m not against it. No reason really not to have them swapped.

Was just pointing out it wouldn’t make it exclusive to WvW, as badges come by the bucketload by just doing achies.

Waar Kijk Je Naar.8713:

Fortunately it is only a matter of time until they blow themselves up with some insane invention. I look forward to the day.

Unfortunately there is a good chance they will take the whole planet with them.

I’d be happy to be the Living World of GW2. Just give a bunch of sandboxy tools to play with and I’ll show you Living World alright.

Sir Vincent III.1286:

The initial encounter was a rushed one because part of the encounter to defeat Taco is to use the uber large laser cannon — which is missing. He is suppose to be the test subject for the cannon that will later be used on Zhaitan.

Erm, the cannon is there already. Nobody just uses it because you can just nuke him down without it.

Larosh.1605:

Story explained in this book. Sold separately.

Took me a while to catch your meaning, but when I did, I cracked.

Well played, Sir.

Aldjeron.1062:

Tom Gore.4035:

OP has not played WvW recently I see.

Take the skill lag we have today, then multiply it by 5-10 and you can imagine what it would be like without the cap.

And Politsu, graphics have nothing to do with it. It’s a purely mathematical problem with too many calculations in too little time.

Yea the skill lag would only be there IF players continued to use the stack tactic, which would fail with the change, hence forcing players to spread out and attack more open field, so this may actually improve the skill lag, rather than increasing.

It might reduce stacking, but wouldn’t help in the most critical situations, which at the moment happen in chokepoints. The sieges would need to be redesigned, because if the AoE cap was removed, no one could ever enter through the gatehouse if there were ~10 defenders AoEing the entrance.

But, if it would lead in us getting siege towers and ladders, I’m all for it!

Aldjeron.1062:

Dual.8953:

Aldjeron.1062:

Turamarth.3248:

1.

DevonCarver.5370:

Master of Timespace.2548:

Simple question. Why is there an aoe cap? And no, please do not come up with that “technical limitation” lie. There has been thousands games before this with massive pvp and no aoe cap, why would your engine be somehow so infernior to that of these older games?

What you seem to be missing is that technical limitations are not about the fact that a solution somewhere may have existed for some other thing. Our game is using an engine that has these technical limitations. We could, for instance, display everything as text, which would solve the problem quite nicely, however we’ve found that our graphics offer something a text-based MMO couldn’t quite deliver. The point is, it is very much a limitation of our engine. The load on the server CPU would be quite simply unsustainable if we were to increase the AoE cap as the more players hit by skills the more calculations it has to do and it actually starts increasing exponentially, rather than sequentially. We continue to seek out ways to squeeze more performance out of our game and our servers, but it is highly unlikely we would ever make a change to the AoE limits on player skills.

2. That’s not what I meant. Compare the abilities to do aoe damage between the different classes.

Yea DevonCarver is not a dev. I can blab a bunch of technical crap at people too just cause i think I know, but until a dev comes out and says its impossible, I still think it can work. This is based on the fact as I stated before Siege does it. Siege may have a cap also but its much higher than players, so a compromise would be to raise the cap. Or Change the algorithm to act more like vale. Which will hit all players once.

Veil doesn’t hit everyone at once. The reason it works is it’s a line AoE, it’s very thin so even when a zerg runs through it, it’s uncommon for the veil to have to calculate more then a handful of them at a time, where as circle AoEs have to factor everyone in them within the same instance.

A good analogy would be a counter at a fast food place. If they have a lines in place, rushes of customers are manageable, if there were no lines and customers could all give their orders at the same time, the rush would be an unmanageable nightmare for the staff.

Hmm so they COULD change the way area aoe tags. To simply put it just leave the graphics the same but the circle could have an effect line like a hand of a clock and cycle around every tick the aoe last. Might work.

That wouldn’t reduce the needed calculations per tick at all.

Anyone else would still hear the default sounds. What would be the point?