Both classes have hard counters. Elementalist is fine, but Mesmer’s Confounding Suggestions needs to only stun on interrupt, and its Blinding Dissipation needs to not go through evades (it was also reported that Guardian’s Justice Is Blind does the same thing).
Anyone who says Zerk is the average Joe build is an average Joe.
I think as a new player what i hate the most is those cheaters in pvp, they make copies of themself then 1 shot you.
As a new player, I hate those bow guys even more who keep you a mile a while knocking you down with their doggies while they stick arrows in you from across the map. They are clearly the most overpowered cheaters in PvP right now.
Anyone who says Zerk is the average Joe build is an average Joe.
Completely missing the point. Sure, the old ones needed a tiny breath of life into them to make them less stiff, sure. But they turned them into wings with hair physics. It looks ridiculous. That large of wings would be at least a little stuff. Some swish and movement to them was greatly accepted, but~ too far. It’s simply too much. Your wings bend backwards and wrap you up like a towel if you turn around. That’s not how things work. x.X
I completely and wholeheartedly disagree.
Anyone who says Zerk is the average Joe build is an average Joe.
You don’t even wanna know how much money they got from me… and I’d spend it again. Even with all of its faults and definite bugs that they just can’t seem to work out, this is still the MMO for me.
Anyone who says Zerk is the average Joe build is an average Joe.
Yeah. All of these amazing mounts we have are far too important to jeopardize with clipping issues caused by capes. As a Korean MMO, Guild Wars 2 will always have issues with clipping. If you don’t like clipping, go play one of those USA-based MMOs.
Anyone who says Zerk is the average Joe build is an average Joe.
I’m completely okay with Virtue of Justice’s passive activating every 3 hits (every hit traited) for 3 seconds and its active being 5 seconds. Warriors already get 2 seconds of burning per auto-attack on traited LB.
Anyone who says Zerk is the average Joe build is an average Joe.
If it took 5 minutes to kill an outnumbered Ele, her or his attackers were doing it wrong. I can 1v1 an Ele in a normal timespan. If I play well I win, if not, I lose.
That’s kinda how it’s ’sposed to work.
Quoted for truth.
Didn’t you know MMR is a factor for everything, you might be facing bad players.
#realtalk.
I’ve never even seen you before.
Excuse me i looked you up on gw2score, pre and current LBs, i could not see you.
I have never seen you before.
Hello? Are you there?
Hello! I am here.
Anyone who says Zerk is the average Joe build is an average Joe.
If it took 5 minutes to kill an outnumbered Ele, her or his attackers were doing it wrong. I can 1v1 an Ele in a normal timespan. If I play well I win, if not, I lose.
That’s kinda how it’s ’sposed to work.
Quoted for truth.
Didn’t you know MMR is a factor for everything, you might be facing bad players.
#realtalk.
I’ve never even seen you before.
Anyone who says Zerk is the average Joe build is an average Joe.
If it took 5 minutes to kill an outnumbered Ele, her or his attackers were doing it wrong. I can 1v1 an Ele in a normal timespan. If I play well I win, if not, I lose.
That’s kinda how it’s ’sposed to work.
Quoted for truth.
Anyone who says Zerk is the average Joe build is an average Joe.
I believe the reason why most people disapprove of Trahearne is because the game’s mantra “this is my story” ends up referring to Trahearne instead of the intended player-character. Nobody wants to be a side character in their own game.
Anyone who says Zerk is the average Joe build is an average Joe.
Mesmer is really good right now with several viable builds. Take domination, dueling, and a greatsword and you’re all set, the last trait line is just for either some extra support/sustain/survivability. The condi shatter builds are also pretty decent with carrion too. Don’t play the faceroll mantra builds though, it’ll keep you from getting better since the stunlock mantra won’t teach you how to shatter at the right time and it’ll probably get nerfed anyway. Playing mantras would just make it harder for you to learn how to be a good mesmer.
“A scrub is a player who is handicapped by self-imposed rules that the game knows nothing about. A scrub does not play to win.”
Play to win. Use everything at your disposal. Be a truly good gamer.
This goes for every class, in every game, for all time.
Makes me wonder, if people read before they respond.
Guy said to don’t play with Mantras because they make it ‘too easy’, and due to that it’s harder to learn how to play Mesmer properly. While learning playing certain profession you always should avoid ‘faceroll’ mechanics at beginning, which may be nefed soon and pick them once you ‘l2p’…
If you get used to something thats ‘too easy/faceroll’ without learning how to play without it… and it will be nerfed soon, you will be unable to play your profession properly.
Holy irony, Batman!
nearlight.3064 clearly communicated his scrub status.
Ross Biddle.2367 quoted him directly along with the definition of what a scrub is.
You proceeded to suppose upon Ross Biddle.2367 not having actually read the message of nearlight.3064 which he directly quoted with relevant citation.
You clearly communicated your own scrub status in agreement with that of nearlight.3064.
What you fail to understand is that he doesn’t refute the scrub statements, nor did he say that it was wrong to play to win
HOWEVER, Playing a class for the first times with skills that acts like a crutch (mantra) is actually a very wrong way to learn.
Ross read and had his own understanding of the message and replied accordingly with a relevant text, which was, then, refuted by the OP of said message with a relevant explanation.
They both are right. Playing with limits intent on respecting a personnal code of honor that isn’t largely viewed by the community is akin to shooting yourself in the foot, and that person is a scrub.
However learning a class with skills that is there to make your playstyle easier will encourage any newcomer to fall into a lazy state of mind that will not make him watch and properly learn to time his burst. He’ll learn the class wrongly and base his experience on a very wobbly ground that will simply crumble if mantra ever becomes non viable.
It’s better for him to start playing the hard way and, once he has a decent grasp of the basic that makes mesmer what it is, incorporate tools that will facilitate his play. Will be less hard if he has to adapt in the future.
What you fail to understand is that I didn’t communicate anything whatsoever as to him refuting said scrub statements; I did, however, recognize the irony that exists herein and was furthered upon thereafter my own message: Based on communication further down the line, it’s clear that both opposing individuals hold disagreement with the given facts and citation. Furthermore, no evidence stands that isn’t anecdotal in regards to your claims about learning to play the Mesmer class in PvP. Both of these notions of yours depend heavily upon assumption.
Anyone who says Zerk is the average Joe build is an average Joe.
The devs for necro/thief try to balance game while devs for mes/ele are only interested in insane power creep by the looks of it.
Maybe you can enlighten me as I seem to have missed the part where Elementalist received power-creep buffs that weren’t global changes.
There are two major power creep buffs.
1) You no longer have to use a Major for Elemental Attunement, freeing up a slot and allowing for Final Shield or Contingency as well as an overall reduced cooldown for Attunements.
2)Elementalist feels like it received more benefits out of the new three Grandmaster than some other classes. Before, it always felt that I was just two points off from a “perfect” build. And now I can have that.
Having Elemental Contingency instead of Elemental Attunement as the minor master trait wouldn’t change anything.
The major grandmaster trait Blinding Ashes on top of Evasive Arcana and Cleansing Water is nothing to write home about when Mesmers have the superior major master trait Blinding Dissipation.
On first point: That’s true, but it’s much better than before when he had a nerfed Arcane Precision. It doesn’t matter if Contingency or Attunement is in the Minor Slot now, it’s still a major buff compared to before.
That is a Mesmer issue. Fire is an over-all better line now as well and an actual choice. Sunspot is a lot better of a minor and the extra power bonus is much more useful than Flame Barrier. Ele’s got a lot of love last patch. I only play Ele, so I know how much of a difference it is to be able to get Diamond Skin AND Cleansing Waters while still having Evasive Arcana.
Your entire present argument has nothing to do with your entire prior argument material-wise, and I am thus done here discussing this with you. The problem in arguing with someone who doesn’t actually have an argument but continues to argue nonetheless is the fact of their “grasping at straws” if you will. Refute one point and they will move onto a completely different point with complete disregard creating a near-ceaseless vicious cycle.
The fact that you even brought up Diamond Skin indicates that we aren’t even arguing on the same level here, so just consider this your victory and let us be done with it.
Your entire response was just a Strawman Argument without showing why mine is for some reason. There is no moral high ground for you here.
Straw man because of all those words I put in your mouth, right? Me quoting you arguing Diamond Skin which has absolutely nothing to do with the meta was just something I made up, right? How about the fact that you disregarded all of your previous points by bringing up completely new and unrelated ones? Arcane Precision has everything to do with Elemental Attunement and Evasive Arcana as minor or major master traits, right? Sunspot has everything to do with Blinding Ashes, right?
Moral high ground? Straw man indeed.
The bottom line is that you appear to be arguing in regards to hot-join heroism which ArenaNet most absolutely does not balance this game around whereas I’m arguing in regards to actual meta which ArenaNet does balance this game around.
Anyone who says Zerk is the average Joe build is an average Joe.
The devs for necro/thief try to balance game while devs for mes/ele are only interested in insane power creep by the looks of it.
Maybe you can enlighten me as I seem to have missed the part where Elementalist received power-creep buffs that weren’t global changes.
There are two major power creep buffs.
1) You no longer have to use a Major for Elemental Attunement, freeing up a slot and allowing for Final Shield or Contingency as well as an overall reduced cooldown for Attunements.
2)Elementalist feels like it received more benefits out of the new three Grandmaster than some other classes. Before, it always felt that I was just two points off from a “perfect” build. And now I can have that.
Having Elemental Contingency instead of Elemental Attunement as the minor master trait wouldn’t change anything.
The major grandmaster trait Blinding Ashes on top of Evasive Arcana and Cleansing Water is nothing to write home about when Mesmers have the superior major master trait Blinding Dissipation.
On first point: That’s true, but it’s much better than before when he had a nerfed Arcane Precision. It doesn’t matter if Contingency or Attunement is in the Minor Slot now, it’s still a major buff compared to before.
That is a Mesmer issue. Fire is an over-all better line now as well and an actual choice. Sunspot is a lot better of a minor and the extra power bonus is much more useful than Flame Barrier. Ele’s got a lot of love last patch. I only play Ele, so I know how much of a difference it is to be able to get Diamond Skin AND Cleansing Waters while still having Evasive Arcana.
Your entire present argument has nothing to do with your entire prior argument material-wise, and I am thus done here discussing this with you. The problem in arguing with someone who doesn’t actually have an argument but continues to argue nonetheless is the fact of their “grasping at straws” if you will. Refute one point and they will move onto a completely different point with complete disregard creating a near-ceaseless vicious cycle.
The fact that you even brought up Diamond Skin indicates that we aren’t even arguing on the same level here, so just consider this your victory and let us be done with it.
Anyone who says Zerk is the average Joe build is an average Joe.
Mesmer is really good right now with several viable builds. Take domination, dueling, and a greatsword and you’re all set, the last trait line is just for either some extra support/sustain/survivability. The condi shatter builds are also pretty decent with carrion too. Don’t play the faceroll mantra builds though, it’ll keep you from getting better since the stunlock mantra won’t teach you how to shatter at the right time and it’ll probably get nerfed anyway. Playing mantras would just make it harder for you to learn how to be a good mesmer.
“A scrub is a player who is handicapped by self-imposed rules that the game knows nothing about. A scrub does not play to win.”
I’m not a kittening scrub. I’m a very experienced mesmer who played during the dark days before a month ago. I owned without the mantras back then, and I continue to own without them now, while level 2 newly created mesmers look up the mantra shatter build on metabattle, and smash their face on to their keyboard, licking the mouse for good measure and own because the combination of the mantra with CS means they don’t have to juke or bait cooldowns/dodges to land a burst.
I think I’m correct to be kittened about this, since it makes mesmer too easy for bad players.
Stating you are not a scrub while refusing to understand or acknowledge what a scrub is all the while explaining how you are a scrub and declaring your disapproval of new or inexperienced players who aren’t scrubs is altogether ironic.
Anyone who says Zerk is the average Joe build is an average Joe.
The devs for necro/thief try to balance game while devs for mes/ele are only interested in insane power creep by the looks of it.
Maybe you can enlighten me as I seem to have missed the part where Elementalist received power-creep buffs that weren’t global changes.
There are two major power creep buffs.
1) You no longer have to use a Major for Elemental Attunement, freeing up a slot and allowing for Final Shield or Contingency as well as an overall reduced cooldown for Attunements.
2)Elementalist feels like it received more benefits out of the new three Grandmaster than some other classes. Before, it always felt that I was just two points off from a “perfect” build. And now I can have that.
Having Elemental Contingency instead of Elemental Attunement as the minor master trait wouldn’t change anything.
The major grandmaster trait Blinding Ashes on top of Evasive Arcana and Cleansing Water is nothing to write home about when Mesmers have the superior major master trait Blinding Dissipation.
Anyone who says Zerk is the average Joe build is an average Joe.
Mesmer is really good right now with several viable builds. Take domination, dueling, and a greatsword and you’re all set, the last trait line is just for either some extra support/sustain/survivability. The condi shatter builds are also pretty decent with carrion too. Don’t play the faceroll mantra builds though, it’ll keep you from getting better since the stunlock mantra won’t teach you how to shatter at the right time and it’ll probably get nerfed anyway. Playing mantras would just make it harder for you to learn how to be a good mesmer.
“A scrub is a player who is handicapped by self-imposed rules that the game knows nothing about. A scrub does not play to win.”
Play to win. Use everything at your disposal. Be a truly good gamer.
This goes for every class, in every game, for all time.
Makes me wonder, if people read before they respond.
Guy said to don’t play with Mantras because they make it ‘too easy’, and due to that it’s harder to learn how to play Mesmer properly. While learning playing certain profession you always should avoid ‘faceroll’ mechanics at beginning, which may be nefed soon and pick them once you ‘l2p’…
If you get used to something thats ‘too easy/faceroll’ without learning how to play without it… and it will be nerfed soon, you will be unable to play your profession properly.
Holy irony, Batman!
nearlight.3064 clearly communicated his scrub status.
Ross Biddle.2367 quoted him directly along with the definition of what a scrub is.
You proceeded to suppose upon Ross Biddle.2367 not having actually read the message of nearlight.3064 which he directly quoted with relevant citation.
You clearly communicated your own scrub status in agreement with that of nearlight.3064.
Anyone who says Zerk is the average Joe build is an average Joe.
And here I thought Condi Guard and Power Mes hard-countered D/D Cele in addition to D/P Thief and Power Necro now. I guess double the amount of hard counters from meta to meta isn’t enough for some people.
Anyone who says Zerk is the average Joe build is an average Joe.
I started doing PvP in December after having played PvE since beta. In PvE I main Mesmer, but after trying Tradition Shatter and Double Ranged Shatter, I hated playing it in PvP. The other class I frequently ran in PvE was Elementalist for ease in Ascalonian Catacombs, so I decided try running Celestial D/D, and it just clicked with me in PvP, so I’ve been maining it ever since.
Anyone who says Zerk is the average Joe build is an average Joe.
I think most of the bad mesmers pre patch are now being carried by traits post patch.
Prismatic Understanding. I guarantee if this trait gets nerfed or adjusted in someway the FOTM mesmers will disappear. All of these “super good pro mesmers” are running this garbage trait and getting carried by it.
Might want to adjust your signature then. Since your main build consists of the “garbage” PU trait. Lol’d.
You’re going to try to peg him on a post for a build he last updated a year ago?
I suppose that’s about par for the course for an MMO forum.
You mean to say that PU wasn’t cheese a year ago as well?
I suppose that’s about par for the course for an MMO forum.
Anyone who says Zerk is the average Joe build is an average Joe.
