And once again, celestial necro is NOT a hardcounter to cele ele, and especially fighting on a point. You can’t judge something out of ONE duel. i’ve killed celestial elementalists in a matter of seconds (yes really), cause they just messed up their water attunment, misplays exist, even at top tier.
Got any of these encounters of yours “at top tier” on record for us to view? Or is this strictly an anecdotal rebuttal that holds no actual weight?
Anyone who says Zerk is the average Joe build is an average Joe.
gonna try with exact same builds, i dunno the level of that ele (I’m not na so u dunno the level of players outside abj) but i’m gonna ask the best nec i can find (Hopefully proto if he want too test it) vs some top ele and we’ll see
i’ll let you know how it ended
Translation: “I’m gonna generate some false word-of-mouth and get back to you with no proof of it whatsoever to counter the actual proof that you presented.”
Anyone who says Zerk is the average Joe build is an average Joe.
harcounter, for those who apparently can’t read or understand means “Forcing someone to disengage 1v1 or die on point with basically no chances for the other guy to win considering same skill level”
got it now? i can also make a simple drawing if needed…sorry if i didn’t explain some basic term, i forgot i was writing on forums….my bad
That’s great and all, Lad, but the rest of us were talking about a hard counter. Feel free to go back to your simple drawings now.
Just for you man…hope it helps
I’m glad you understand now, Lad. All’s that’s left is for you to understand that Celestial Signet Necromancer is a hard counter to Celestial Dagger/Dagger Elementalist.
Anyone who says Zerk is the average Joe build is an average Joe.
harcounter, for those who apparently can’t read or understand means “Forcing someone to disengage 1v1 or die on point with basically no chances for the other guy to win considering same skill level”
got it now? i can also make a simple drawing if needed…sorry if i didn’t explain some basic term, i forgot i was writing on forums….my bad
That’s great and all, Lad, but the rest of us were talking about a hard counter. Feel free to go back to your simple drawings now.
Anyone who says Zerk is the average Joe build is an average Joe.
You read it here first, folks! It’s not a hard counter unless it completely and instantaneously explodes the other class outright, so even Meditation Guardians aren’t really hard counters to Dagger/Pistol Thieves because said Thieves can just run away after the initial burst!
Don’t we just make so much progress and totally not make ourselves look silly when we try and conveniently define terms otherwise of how they’ve already been established? /s
Anyone who says Zerk is the average Joe build is an average Joe.
Thief has more access to stealth and can stealth a lot longer. If the thieves you face are that predictable, then they are doing it wrong. I am sorry, but that is really my opinion.
Perhaps it is a bit much to ask to carry 2 stun breakers. But that is what I always do – also when playing mesmer.
Problem that lies here is that, Mesmers stack loads of conditions on you and stealth themselves.
While he’s hidden, conditions are ticking.
Thief doesn’t have such luxury, because to damage you, he has to reveal himself.
In this matter, it simply makes PU mesmer way overboard, and Confusion should be reworked in that aspect, because despite PU build being totally safe, it punishes it’s opponent for trying to be defensive as well – and that part is about Confusion where Mesmer is stacking it high on you, and anything you use, turns out to be ~2.5k in the face.
Well, PU build should’ve been reworked long time ago, because it favors two highest conditions – torment and confusion.
And both can be stacked highly in little time frame.
Oh, and re-aplication of both is comparable to bleed spam on all classes.
What are you even talking about? The meta PU Shatter build is a power build. What tourney recently had a Condition PU build in it that we all must’ve completely missed? Is this thread actually about hotjoin heroes or something?
Anyone who says Zerk is the average Joe build is an average Joe.
You read it here first, folks! It’s not a hard counter unless it completely and instantaneously explodes the other class outright, so even Meditation Guardians aren’t really hard counters to Dagger/Pistol Thieves because said Thieves can just run away after the initial burst!
Don’t we just make so much progress and totally not make ourselves look silly when we try and conveniently define terms otherwise of how they’ve already been established? /s
Anyone who says Zerk is the average Joe build is an average Joe.
Suggestion: Change the initial state to “Ready” with a shorter duration. Anyone can click the button to say “I need more time”, which sets you to “not ready” and increases the time to the total wait time.
I wouldn’t mind this so long as I’m able to click that button every time, because I definitely would. I enjoy having my free minute to change my class, get a drink, and use the restroom. It definitely beats missing a queue-pop while doing the latter two.
Anyone who says Zerk is the average Joe build is an average Joe.
But it often boils down to a simple truth: Celestial Signet has major advantage, but just the fact that you’ve copied the build from the web doesn’t make you a hard-counter to anything.
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Anyone who says Zerk is the average Joe build is an average Joe.
You will never hear this from ArenaNet, and this post may even get removed, but Solo Queue was removed to improve overall queue times for a dwindling PvP community. We don’t have it because they can no longer afford to give it to us. If you want thrive in PvP, start adding other PvP players to your friends list.
Anyone who says Zerk is the average Joe build is an average Joe.
You REALLY think a Warrior or a ranger or even a Necromancer adds as much to a team than an Elementalist, the class that gets stacked in higher tiers and even rerolled to? What sense of Balance do you go by? Duel room balance?
You seem to have your mind made up on multiple accounts including why I think what I do, so why even ask?
Anyone who says Zerk is the average Joe build is an average Joe.
I always use this minute to counter the enemy team’s composition: If I see 2x+ Elementalist/Guardian on the enemy team, I swap to Celestial Signet Necromancer; if I see 2x+ Necromancer/Warrior, I swap to Mantra Shatter Mesmer; if I see no Necromancer/Elementalist/Guardian, I swap to Celestial Dagger/Dagger Elementalist.
Between playing the above three builds, I have answers to everything.
Anyone who says Zerk is the average Joe build is an average Joe.
He’s not wrong though. Sustained healing opens a weakness against burst and poison, where you can shout cleanse poison as the heal goes off for a full heal and will protect you from burst sessions as Healing Signet does not. Sure it’s easier to use and technically heals more, but there are aspects of TTL that are incredibly useful.
You already have 3 shouts on your bar which are instant-cast and remove 4 conditions.
“To the Limit!” has a cast time and can easily be interrupted.
Sure, cast time COULD go down, but frankly, I’d rather less interrupts and slightly less spike damage instead. Game needs to be toned down wards for a while, not up.
I like the game just the way it is. We currently have burst, bruiser, and bunker builds all coexisting efficiently in the current meta. That’s pretty darn good to me.
Anyone who says Zerk is the average Joe build is an average Joe.
ArenaNet doesn’t want Warrior to be viable anymore in sPvP, so it’s not viable anymore in sPvP; that’s the only way I can interpret this. If they wanted Warrior to be viable in sPvP, Vigorous Shouts would be healing for more baseline (read: 2000) and scale less with Healing Power (read: 50% or less), “To the Limit!” would have a faster cast and would interact with Superior Rune of the Soldier properly, and they would’ve introduced an amulet with the following attribute-combination: Power/Healing Power/Condition Damage.
With such changes, Warrior could act as a Bruiser with the new amulet, as a Bunker with the Settler amulet, or even as DPS with the Marauder amulet for PvP viability. Strengthening Vigorous Shouts baseline would open up so much for Warrior as a strong team-fighter fulfilling different roles depending on how you spec it. Stances just don’t put in enough work with their given recharges.
Anyone who says Zerk is the average Joe build is an average Joe.
Thing is, while cele signets necro can counter d/d ele pretty well it has bad matchups to a lot of things except guardians perhaps.
It works just fine against most meta builds. If it gets into a 1v1 with CDs versus Mesmer or Thief, then it’ll probably lose very quickly if it has little to no life force. Then again, that’s a disadvantageous scenario for any spec of any class.
Anyone who says Zerk is the average Joe build is an average Joe.
Hard counter? That’s going way too far imo. They aren’t in a small closed space. The ele has great mobility and can disengage and reengage endlessly unless something goes really wrong. The necro can’t do that.
Hard counter to me means the necro would totally shut down the ele which isn’t accurate. But yes I’d say it’s a soft counter for boon-reliant specs in general. In a vacuum I think the necro would win most/all duels but conquest is so much more than dueling.
Doesn’t Guardian’s Purging Flames only apply burning on cast? It just needs to be updated to also burn on passing in and out of it as well and then balance is perfect. Elementalist is fine.
Anyone who says Zerk is the average Joe build is an average Joe.
I also know that Anet claims to want to balance around organized 5v5s, but past patches have shown that they care quite a bit about the solo experience. Many builds that were not particularly effective in organized tournaments were nerfed because the rest of us didn’t like them.
Please stop making things up. I haven’t seen any proof of this.
Anyone who says Zerk is the average Joe build is an average Joe.
Another thing…celestial signet necros could beat me yes, but only if I let them. I can escape from such engagements quite easily.
Good luck doing that with all of your boons converted into conditions after the first time you swap to Water Attunement.
“I got off the point with Ride the Lightning before I exploded! That’ll show him!”
Frankly you sound like an overly bad ele if you died THAT fast to a Cele Necro. I don’t mean to be rude, but people get crazy with these exaggerations, as if, still, Ele doesn’t have high condi removal and healing, at least enough to disengage. That might be true if you over-extended in a 1v1 against one of your only major counters right now, but good grief…
A bad Elementalist calling another Elementalist bad.
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Anyone who says Zerk is the average Joe build is an average Joe.
Mesmer was not underpowered. I’ve been a mes player for 3 years and I was just fine thank you very much.
This is a matter of your opinion versus reality. Sorry, but reality wins. Mesmer wasn’t a part of the previous meta because every role it could fill was better filled by something else.
Anyone who says Zerk is the average Joe build is an average Joe.
I don’t know if this is related, but I think I got matched with a bunch of people on a different continent (or more accurately, they got matched with me because I maintained a low ping). Basically what would happen is I would fight a Necromancer (the enemy team had two of them) and I’d get him down, stomp him, then I’d see his down-state fear animation after the fact, and then explode from conditions. I didn’t know what the hell was going on, but I won every fight…
Anyone who says Zerk is the average Joe build is an average Joe.
I laughed at the thought of someone walking over ring of fire multiple times and asking for nerfs haha
Ele is in a good place, it counters people and has counters… At the moment it’s crushing fotm classes (besides mesmer), but looks like necro boon conversion builds or celestial signant builds are starting to rise to new fotm, which easily beats an ele the moment they leave water.
No, ele is definitely not in a good place, you have to actually be blind to not realize it’s too strong.
“It has counters” yeah, signet necro has a good matchup against it if the necro plays really good. That’s about it.
I see good Mesmers beat good Elementalists all the time too.
Anyone who says Zerk is the average Joe build is an average Joe.
but looks like necro boon conversion builds or celestial signant builds are starting to rise to new fotm, which easily beats an ele the moment they leave water.
Don’t forget the fact that Celestial Signet Necromancer also eats Cleric Bunker Guardian alive.
Anyone who says Zerk is the average Joe build is an average Joe.
I wouldn’t take “To the Limit!” even if it wasn’t bugged unless it had a 1/4th-second cast. Good players spam hard-CC on you when you’re getting focused.
Burning Arrows is farm more valuable than Shrug It Off. Without it, you don’t add enough pressure to contribute to focusing targets. I really wish there was an amulet for Power/Condition Damage/Healing Power with 1000/1000/1000 attribute-distribution.
You don’t have enough pressure because you run tactics and defense.
Defense trait line is really disposable in this build, and you get much more from an arm trait line.
I completely and wholeheartedly disagree with everything you said.
Anyone who says Zerk is the average Joe build is an average Joe.
I wouldn’t take “To the Limit!” even if it wasn’t bugged unless it had a 1/4th-second cast. Good players spam hard-CC on you when you’re getting focused.
Burning Arrows is farm more valuable than Shrug It Off. Without it, you don’t add enough pressure to contribute to focusing targets. I really wish there was an amulet for Power/Condition Damage/Healing Power with 1000/1000/1000 attribute-distribution.
Anyone who says Zerk is the average Joe build is an average Joe.
