Guild Wars 2

From the Wiki " The races agreed to give their magic to the seers, who would seal it within a Bloodstone, starving the Dragons. The mursaat, however, having found a way to become invisible, to literally become out of phase with Tyria, betrayed the other races and left them to rot, keeping their own magic and fleeing into a half-world. Some time later, at the time of writing of the Tome of the Rubicon, they warred with the Seers, nearly wiping out the race"

There it is stated that the Betrayal of the Mursaat is not the Genocide of the Seers but the withdrawal of the World. Slipping out of Phase and the Tablet doesn’t even state that the Seers wiped themselves out. They had a Civil War after the Dragons went to slumber again but the outcome has not been stated by the Tablet.

And trying to hide in the War itself and then get hidden by Glint doesn’t contradict each other.

Ok lets make sense out of that.

10.000 Years ago the Elder Dragon’s awoke.
The five Elder Races forged an Alliance to fight them Back, but they couldn’t agree on how to fight them.
The Mursaat and Forgotten went for a more direct Approach and the Seers were working to store Magic, while the Dwarfes and Jotun went for a more defensive approach and tried to hide after, we don’t know, many years.
Then the Mursaat and Forgotten attacked Zhaitan and failed. Mursaat were getting kittened at the other Races and the Forgotten after that went elsewhere. Somewehere after that Glaust was being freed from Kralkatorriks Control, trying for a something different to get an advantage, didn’t worked really since even after freed, she remained loyal to his Master for a while.
The Seers then made a Suggestion. They knew how to store Magic and dveloped the Bloodstone. They suggested that the Magic of Tyria had to be sealed to starve the Dragons, and every Race also had to give in their Magic. The Mursaat, being kittened at the other Races said " screw you" and left the World, not giving in their Magic and withdrawing every Support they gave before that, thus betraying the other Races. Even with the Bloodstone it seems that not all Magic could be contained and the Races had to hide to survive, and this is where Glint comes in, who hid the Races. Something the Mursaat didn’t seem to know,

Ok now the Races were hidden and the Elder Dragons were sleeping again. The whole Cycle left s an impact on the other Races. The once mighty Jotun devolved into bloodthirsty Brutes. The Seers also seem to have a Society Collapse with violent Tribes warring each other for the Control of the Bloodstone. And well if the War between Mursaat and Seers started, it started there. We don’t know if the Seers were still warring then or had a funtioning Society again at this Time. Perhaps we get more information about this.

Well there are still some Holes but integrating the Tablets with the known Lore is possible without retconning the Lore of the Elder Races.

With the Tablets. Don’t forget that they are written from the Mursaats Perspective in the Time of the last Elder Dragon Rise. Its from their View and this can be quite different than what… lets say the Seers saw it. I haven’t found every Tablet but i’ll search for more. Also some Tablets read like they were written when the Musaat who wrote them was kittened.

With Lazarus.

We don’t know if we can trust him, we still don’t know what his Goals are ( since we cdon’t trust him we also don’t know if the Things he is saying are true. ). He could try to get our trust to use us for his own Goal since we already killed 2 Elder Dragons, where entire Civilisations were unable to even kill one. He knows that we are powerful and having a powerful Ally is not a bad Idea, for whatever Goal he has.
Right now I see him as a dangerous Ally. Someone who can help us getting Stuff done but who is also not to be trusted.

The other possibility is that he really had a Change of Character due to his near Death Experience. Don’t know if that would be good for the Story, but this isn’t unrealistic. A Near Death Experience can Change someone really hard. To the Point that others wouldn’t recognize that Person anymore. Anet could go that Route.

But I think that Lazarus has also something in Mind. Right now we have the same Enemy and thus working together is possible. But we don’t know what he will do after the Elder dragons are no more.

Oh and judging from the Position of the Maps Name, we only have seen half of it. And this is already big as kitten.

Well even Lazarus said himself that they weren’t really Victims, that they hid for Self Preservation.

The “Victim” Thing could be the one where both the Mursaat and Forgotten attacked Zhaitan but failed because the other Races weren’t there and well the Mursaat were pretty kittened. ( The “Betrayal” Thing looks like it was written while still raging )
Also it looked like that the older Races couldn’t really agree on how to deal with the Elder Dragons. ( Seers storing Magic was also mentioned )

particlepinata.9865:

I have a feeling they will be there. Hope i’m right. Can’t Judge on a trailer of 45 min or so. I Always made sure to have enough interrupt power in gw 1 to stop those meteor storm Hydras slamming on me :-p Also hope there will be some titans, maybe the magic wall is breached again.

Sry but the realm where the Titans were created is now “purified” by Kormir. Everything now created in this Realm will be completely harmelss and incompetent

Blaeys.3102:

When people post videos of 8 for VG, 6 for gorseval, I think people misinterpret what that really represents (which we have talked about many times in these threads).

The hard core and specialized raid groups/guilds did the same thing in WoW. They microanalyze the fights/builds/stats and tailor make the smaller groups to take advantage of particular boons or aspects of the fights (same is true of the groups that do the fights with 10 eles and blast water fields). They then practice and practice until that one pull they get perfect (often for hours or months), which they then post online.

That is an admirable accomplishment, but it is in no way whatsoever representative of how the vast majority of groups approach raids – and it definitely has nothing to do with or justifies diminishing the need for a training or variable difficulty mode . Anyone who has raided in any game has seen it dozens of times and understands that simple fact.

I have talked about this exact topic and reasoning before. I understand some don’t see it the same way, but anyone that has raided hardcore in other raiding games understands it. Ive been in some of those groups that take advantage of mechanics or boons (in WoW, specifically) to do some things the developers obviously didn’t think would be possible. It is a very particular playstyle – and can be fun. But it isn’t representative of how standard raiding works or fits into a game.

Looking at those groups to justify the exclusion of easier modes is disingenuous, imo. I can see how people who haven’t seen this kind of thing in the past can connect the dots, but it really is apples and oranges.

Are you now talking about Low-Manning Stuff ( Running it with less Members than intended ) or Scaling the Boss Mechanics to the Members you have at the attempt? From what I see you are mixing both Things up. Things which are completely different.

shadowfanatik.5160:

just went back and watched the video again, saw the head shape and im pretty dang sure that was just a stonehead with new colouring. really wanted it to be a hydra

How about Stonehead Hydra’s?

maddoctor.2738:

Sykper.6583:

Can we stop with the false narrative that LS3 directly followed the Forsaken Thicket Lore?

Thanks!

After the first episode of LS3 I was like: “so what exactly did we do in the Raid?”
It’s as if it didn’t happen at all so I don’t know where the comments about Raids leading to the next story come from.

We uhhhm…. killed some People with no real Consequence for the Story. I mean, what happened in LS3 Episode 1 would have happened regardless of what happened in the Forsaken Thicket. So yeah no impact from that.
I also don’t know where the Comments come from especially after reading the Lore scattered in Bloodstone Fen.

Ranael.6423:

It will not give new blood in the mode. It will only create another sub-community of people playing only practice mode.
Worst case scenario it will comfort many players in a behaviour of not questioning themselves about their skill.
I experienced the LFR release in WoW and while the ususal raiders farmed their stuff in low tier, few players made the opposite shift. And for those ones, it was impossible to tell them that they were doing mistakes because their answer was always " don’t tell me what to do I am experienced on this boss, I know the mechanics". What they failed to see is that some mechanics were becoming lethal in the non practice mode.

Don’t remind me of LFR. It made Normal Mode Raiding quite frustrating, since you got quite a good amount of LFR-Scrubs into the Group who fail to realise that they went from Chest Farm Difficulty to a serious Raid Mode, where Things are actually deadly. And most were completely resistant to advice and critisism, having someone from LFR knowing that Thing could be different was like, a Godsend ( doesn’t mean that this Player was good, but at least he had the potential to improve ). Heroic Raiding was much more fun.

How should a Practice Mode work? While being easier ( Well its practice Mode ), the Bosses should have the same Mechanics so People can get comfortable with the Mechanics.
Deadly Mechanics should stay deadly. If things that Oneshot you get nerfed to the Point that they just do 50% or 75% Damage than People will try to tank these Things, or Rebound through this. And then they’ll try this in Normal Mode, I think everyone can see the Problem )
Whil still staying deadly, these deadly Mechanics could be a bit slower. Like 5 additional Seconds for World Eater to go boom, or a slower Flame Wall.
Instead of Less HP how about an Option that lets you choose on which Phase the Boss will start ( but to unlock the specific Phases, you have to go through the previous Phases ). For Example. Matthias. You Training Group knows how to deal with the first three Phases really good, but they need to practice on the Abomination Phase. Instead going through every Phase every Time, the Group could start at the Abo Phase to train it. Just an Idea, don’t know if this would really work. ( Don’t forget that Practice Mode goes without Rewards )
Don’t know about the 5 Man Thing, because some Mechanics have to changed and the Overlaps have to be removed otherwise it could get really awkward. ( Sacrifice, Well and Corruption at the same time at a 5 Man Encounter? Have fun CC’ing your Teammate. )

SirMoogie.9263:

TheRandomGuy.7246:

Or it could be that literally 5 minutes ago Taimi showed us where it is located and said that it went apekitten.

Taimi mentions activity. She doesn’t say the bloodstone is going to explode. The line is:

“The northern Bloodstone dot is flaring up. I’ll have to keep an eye on that.”

And shortly after that, when you go there, the exact Position where the Bloodstone is went Nuke. The logical Conclusion is, that the Bloodstone exploded, what else should explode? Caudecus’s Temper?

Jhoul.6923:

Do ppl hear what I did? or did the episode ended with “Primordius is Active”? If this is so… Who cares about Lazarus, this is the dragon that killed glint! Or even better… What if they join forces!!! There are some epic story scenarios at hand! I LOVE THIS!

Uhm no Primordus wasn’t the Dragon who killed Glint. Kralkatorrik is the one who killed Glint.

And with Lazarus, we don’t know what he is planning, or why he didn’t kill us. Its likely that Lazarus thinks of us as useful for his Plans and that we’ll cross Paths quite a few Times because of it.

Bazompora.2635:

Is it not possible that the golden city Saul saw in the Maguuma was Tarir,
occupied by the Mursaat while the Exalted were dormant?

Sry but it was never said that the City Saul found was golden. NEVER. He found a City atfer being exiled in a Forest and this City was described as Alabaster White with golden Filigree. Not the pure gold we see with the Exalted Structures.

What happened in Bloodstone Fen happened because the Confessor ordered Bloodstone Weapons and they began the Work because of it, despite also working on Lazarus.

The Mining caused a Crack on the Stone which grew in Size and the Deaths of Zhaitan and Mordremoth both accelerated the Growrate of the Crack. In short, we are also responsible for this Explosion. It happened because the White Mantle started Mining the Stone ( Mining it was also only possible for them because the Confessor ordered it ) and we killed two of the Elder Dragons.

The Raid itself has no impact on the Story itself. It doesn’t matter if we are going into the Raid. Lazarus will be alive. It is a Side Story and the LS3 would work just fine even without the Raids ever being Released, just as it does now.

You get everything you need in Bloodstone Fen and you really don’t miss out anything if you aren’t raiding.

Zok.4956:

Rognik.2579:

Sartharina.3542:

I am irritated that the Pact Commander stood down to stay with Guild Stupid, but not really surprised. kitten, I used to have a team, but Living Story took it away.

Would you prefer to be stuck behind a desk, and never allowed to explore and be on the front lines again? If so, I’m sorry you can’t see the bureaucratic side of Tyria.

It was cheap and cheesy. Because the player-character is the hero of tyria and if the player-character would become Pact Commander he/she could have made it possible with his/her influence to not be stuck behind a desk.

But A-Net wanted DE 3.0. I like the name the child called it.

Thing is. Asking the Leader of an Organisation to be in a Safe Office and not going out on an Adventure is more than reasonable. For an Organisation to be stable and trusted the Position of the Leader needs to have a very small mortality Rate, especially with an Organisation that got a serious Blow from Mordremoth. Trahearne is dead and many People thinks that he is at fault because he went out there and the Pact Supporters want to make sure that this Mistake wouldn’t be repeated

Lore Wise, as a Supporter of the Pact, would you really allow their Leader to Gallivant around the world and going into the most dangerous Zones of Tyria because he feels like it?

Kai.9264:

I haven’t played the raids yet, I don’t know if I ever will but, I do know that they are also about the white mantle. So, is the raid story important for the living world story? does the raid happen bevor or after the LW?

muchas gracias

Raid Story is a Sidestory. You’ll learn everything you need to understand in the LS and the Paper Scraps you’ll find in Bloodstone Fen. You won’t miss anything if you don’t raid.

I can say this. The Raids are a good Sidestory to the Mainstory but absolutely not needed to understand whats going on. The Raid Story doesn’t even impact Things in the Bloodstone Fen. All you need to know is in the new Map. Finish the LS and collect the Scraps there and you’ll learn much more than you ever could in the Raid Instance. There isn’t something that you’ll miss if you don’t Raid.

Konig Des Todes.2086:

Yet it didn’t rupture until nearly a full year later (13 Zephyr 1329) that she bothered to take it to Bauer, who was in charge at the Bloodstone.

I think the Problem is Bauer himself. Bauer was prone to Execute People for not showing Progress, or who just annoy him. And he didn’t just execute them. He killed them on Top of a Bloodstone and the Effects aren’t pleasent for dead People. If he just executed them, I think that she would have told him earlier, but since Bauer likes to kill People on Bloodstones its something you consider twice even if you don’t value your Life.

Also interesting from the Notes. The Mantle wasn’t that unified. Caudecus wnted the Krytan Throne and didn’t care for Lazarus but quite a few White Mantles set the Resurrection of Lazarus as their highest Priority, including the High Inquisitor and since Caudecus was in Custody, he couldn’t really know that quite a few Members of the Mantle were working behind his Back. After Lazarus showed himself we saw a real Split in the Mantle. Cudecus just cares about the Throne, but Lazarus doesn’t care about Politics and has different Goals. Some chose to follow their God other chose for Caudecus. This can be really interesting.

Another interesting Fact is that our Character now is able to collect Magic from the Surrounding and even drain Magic from Bloodstones ( Ok due to Counter Magic but still ) and these Air Skills look like that due to harvesting Magic for ourself we now can shoot Magic Beams, use unstable Magic Bombs call in healing Magic Storms etc. It could be just Gameplay but this could also be integrated into the Story quite nicely.

Fixing Forum Bug

Someone in his Position? May I ask who was in the same Position?

Blaeys.3102:

After seeing the final scenes, I don’t think anyone can debate that the raid was indeed the introduction of this storyline.

Bad form and a very bad practice, imo.

The Notes around Bloodstone Fen give you much more information than the Raid itself of what happened there. The Raid is more like a small Side Story that has the same Theme but you don’t need it to understand what happened.

Budman.2934:

I’d join the white mantle queen Jenner is pretty bad at her job with all of her resources she can’t even kill off the centaurs

Ist implied that the Centaurs are successful against Kryta because “Bandits” are selling them Equipment Technology and Slaves and since Bandits are heavily connected to White Mantle ( WM is calling the Shots for the Bandits ), we can see who created this Situation.

virus.4370:

Walhalla.5473:

BrotherBelial.3094:

That’s how “good” the White mantle are. They are straight up mass murders.

Just to hammer the Mass Murderer in. Gorseval’s Perch is made out of countless Skeletons. Judging from the Mass of the Skeletons it would be fair to say that the Mantle killed Tens of Thousands, if not close Hundreds of Thousands of Humans for their Sacrifices ( for Charging up Bloodstone Shards with Souls ) or just Executions ( the ones who aren’t worthy ).

So, nope the White Mantle are far from being good.

Upon engaging:

Gorseval the Multifarious: We fight together!
Gorseval the Multifarious: And we will have our revenge!
Or:
Gorseval the Multifarious: You did this to us!
Gorseval the Multifarious: Accept your fate!

it never said the White Mantle did it..it says “You”…maybe it’s the bosses and enemies you killed getting there..when you and the pact invaded. remember if it is a bloodstone it would have an environmental effect that influences activation time of resurrection skills or triggers an effect when someone is killed. Gorseval’s Perch looks like it is wood and dirt on my screen.

Sry but the Notes say otherwise. The Notes say that the “Bandits” there have been dumping Bodies for quite a while, also the Bandits there are mostly White Mantle. The Ghosts are also confused, angry and don’t know who killed them. One of the Notes also tells that if the Ghosts know what happened, they would kill every Bandit and Mantle in Spirit Vale and Salvation Pass. This has nothing to do with the Pact. The Mantle killed these People.

And the Mantle is not using the big Maguuma Bloodstone, they are using Shard mined from it for the Sacrifices.

Oh and here Gorsevals Perch. As you can see, there are quite a Number of Skeletons on the Perch and Mountains of them around it. This is a kittening Mass Grave, only possible by the countless Sacrifices and Executions from the Mantle.

http://imgur.com/a/eBAHa
http://imgur.com/a/ZlviA
http://imgur.com/a/HDTJK

Watched Deroirs Video and he saw a Ley Line with the Floating Isles. A Line made for Gliding. I think we’ll see Ley Line Gliding in the new Map, but it will be optional or used for some Areas not important for the Meta Events or Story there.

BrotherBelial.3094:

That’s how “good” the White mantle are. They are straight up mass murders.

Just to hammer the Mass Murderer in. Gorseval’s Perch is made out of countless Skeletons. Judging from the Mass of the Skeletons it would be fair to say that the Mantle killed Tens of Thousands, if not close Hundreds of Thousands of Humans for their Sacrifices ( for Charging up Bloodstone Shards with Souls ) or just Executions ( the ones who aren’t worthy ).

So, nope the White Mantle are far from being good.

Can you please make your Text more readable? Its really unpleasent to read this Wall of Text

virus.4370:

but again i was just talking about faction battles and stories for both sides you could pick..from one or the other

Its not about Faction Battles. Its about a Mass Murdering Religous Group trying to dethrone the rightful Ruler of Kryta, funding Bandits, even having Agents in the Bandit Cells and now close to igniting a Civil War that will weaken the Krytan Kingdom

virus.4370:

Walhalla.5473:

virus.4370:

Walhalla.5473:

virus.4370:

the pact invaded their lands this time..and they save kryta..when the cowardly king ran leaving his people to die.

The Mantle was sacrifing tens of Thousands of People for quite a while and they were sacrificing People back in GW1. While Saul did save Kryta, he got killed by the Mursaat after seeing that they are no Gods. If Saul would still live he would even aid the Shining Blade to destroy the Mantle.

and yes they was killing people of prophecy..the Prophecy that said the Mursaat would be destroyed and tyria would be destroyed, if it ever came to pass…and as you see that prophecy happened in gws 1 and the dragons started waking up..and destroying tyria. the Mursaat lived thru the dragons first awakening by hiding in the mist..so they knew how it starts. So they played the role of gods to get a more primitive race to help them protect the world in whole. and some had to die so that all could be saved from the destruction of the world.

Play GW1 again, the Prophecy has nothing to do with the Elder Dragons.

The Mursaat weren’t helping the World, they were just helping themselves. They don’t care about the lesser Races. They are just using them for their own Goals

i play gws 1 everyday and in gws 2 remember what happens when magical energies reach a high lvl..dragons wake up…the Mursaat seem to know this..they built a fort and a shield over a whole area to keep it contained..then the hero’s in gws 1 bust in and release the titans and a ton of energy.. and if you paid attention in eye of the north. the destroyers started waking up..and in gws 1 proph the undead of Orr increased in numbers after that..since the undead of orr are made by Zhaitan..we find out in gws 2..that means that release of energy started waking them up..like scarlet in la with ley-line energy.

Not sure if Trolling.

First. The Mursaat kitten Bricks because of the Titans ( who by some Prophecy would kill them ) So they used Soul Batteries to keep them out. Soul Batteries powered by tormented Souls to keep Construct made out of Tormented Souls out, seems to be a good Idea. The Destroyers waking up has nothing to do with Titans, Mursaat etc. Its just a Cycle that repeats itself, nothing more.

And the Undead of Orr aren’t made by Zhaitan, they are there because of Khilbron, his Spell and his use of the Scepter. The Undead of Orr are just that. Undead. The Risen we are fighting in GW2 are different. They look like Undead, most of them are created by using Corpes but in Realtiy they are Beings corrupted by Dragon Magic.

Again. Play GW1 before coming up with such nonsense.

virus.4370:

Walhalla.5473:

virus.4370:

the pact invaded their lands this time..and they save kryta..when the cowardly king ran leaving his people to die.

The Mantle was sacrifing tens of Thousands of People for quite a while and they were sacrificing People back in GW1. While Saul did save Kryta, he got killed by the Mursaat after seeing that they are no Gods. If Saul would still live he would even aid the Shining Blade to destroy the Mantle.

and yes they was killing people of prophecy..the Prophecy that said the Mursaat would be destroyed and tyria would be destroyed, if it ever came to pass…and as you see that prophecy happened in gws 1 and the dragons started waking up..and destroying tyria. the Mursaat lived thru the dragons first awakening by hiding in the mist..so they knew how it starts. So they played the role of gods to get a more primitive race to help them protect the world in whole. and some had to die so that all could be saved from the destruction of the world.

Play GW1 again, the Prophecy has nothing to do with the Elder Dragons.

The Mursaat weren’t helping the World, they were just helping themselves. They don’t care about the lesser Races. They are just using them for their own Goals

Konig Des Todes.2086:

Walhalla.5473:

I think we’ll go to a Bloodstone Mining Position. At3 we see a kittened up Area with Red Sky and floating Rocks. Also some of the Rocks have Bloodstone Parts underneath them.

Those don’t look like bloodstone parts to me.

For me it really looks like some Bloodstone Part hanging out of the Rock.

The Color there is typical for a Bloodstone Part.

I think we’ll go to a Bloodstone Mining Position. At3 we see a kittened up Area with Red Sky and floating Rocks. Also some of the Rocks have Bloodstone Parts underneath them. Would make sense, the whole Place seems to be overflowing with Magic and cutting a High Yield Magic Energy Battery doesn’t seem like a good Idea to me, its bound to leak more Magic when cutted. Also the Fort we see with th Red Sky also seems to be in the new Area. Red Sky Box, different Bloodstone Turrets etc.

Also interesting, we see a massive Cyclone with red Lightning and then a Blue Energy Explosion. Perhaps the Anomaly at6 which was gathering Ley Energy and Bloodstone Magic went Nuke?

virus.4370:

the pact invaded their lands this time..and they save kryta..when the cowardly king ran leaving his people to die.

The Mantle was sacrifing tens of Thousands of People for quite a while and they were sacrificing People back in GW1. While Saul did save Kryta, he got killed by the Mursaat after seeing that they are no Gods. If Saul would still live he would even aid the Shining Blade to destroy the Mantle.

Manasa Devi.7958:

I’ve complained about dungeons. Not because they were hard but because they were rubbish.

Were Dungeons ever hard?

And these Shards are Part of the Turrets the White Mantle is using to prtect their Forts.

But I think that this Fort is another Fortress we’ll see. First our Raid Group obliterated the Stronghold and massacred the White Mantle and second has something to do with the Sky. Perhaps this Fort is at a Bloodstone Mining Station.

Changer the Elder.2948:

Ayrilana.1396:

Exaggeration. You’re acting as if the raid story is some major piece of the LS. There can be events that occur outside of the story that the player sees. You see this done in movies and books.

That would be logical thought, but problem is, the footage from raids doesn’t seem to be offhand or small feature, it makes up the bulk of the trailer and makes it sound that the “Out of the Shadows” will be a direct sequel to the raids, and that’s far beyond the “separated lore update”.

Which either makes it a bad trailer in terms of information, or bad decision in terms of storytelling if the presumption is correct.

The Bulk? 6 Seconds out of the Trailer are Footage from the Raids and it is possible that we see like 4 Seconds from it in the Trailers also in LS3. Its not being close to making up the Bulk of the Trailer

Diovid.9506:

Only if we also get to do all the exciting paper work, meetings, logistics, building and maintaining relations, inspecting equipment and so on.

Remember the one S2 Mission where we had to attend to a Party in DR and quite a few People hated it because of “Politics”? If we are going to be Pact Leader then i expect more of these kind of Missions.

Don’t know. These are average Kills and Runs, nothing Special. The VG Split Time on the first Split is okish but should be closer to the 7 Minute Mark.

The Gorseval Kill reminds me of a Kill I had 3 Weeks ago where 5 People never tried Gorseval before and the last World Eater nearly wrecked the Group

Well in the Future maybe Play how I want is possible, but more Elite Specs are needed and a Balance Split. A Goal from Anet since Release, and nope Play how I want is not using a Shaman’s Greatsword Warrior and then expecting to be good. Play how I want means having more than enough viable Builds that you could play a Rifle Warrior for example and still be effective. But try to buff Rifle Warrior until it gets Viable and wait for the PvP Section to react.

So for much more Builds to be viable Anet needs to dish out the Balance Split and more Elite Specs, oh and being careful with Balance, then we’ll see more Build that are good Viable etc etc.

With the two Tempest Slots, on some Bosses you have a different Class but pretermined by the Bosses Mechanics.

On Matthias
1 PS
1 Healer
1 Chrono
1 Dragonhunter ( You need some Backup Reflects )
1 Tempest

Sloth
PS Healer Chrono
1 Tempest
1 Necro

With 10 Man you can fill other Slots with different Classes and thus have more Class diversity.

Also try the same Mechanics on a 5 Man Group
Just for Example
Green Circle 4 Man doing this on a 5 Man Group and then possible overlaps with CC Phase? Have fun
Matthias Fire Phase Sacrifice overlapping with Corruption and Well of the Profane? Good Luck getting the Guy out of the Sacrifice

Artemis Thuras.8795:

I like the pointing out that they screwed up by switching to 10 man content.

I’m struggling to think of a reason the raids couldn’t have a 5-man version, which a straight 50% hp reduction to everything in there.

Effectively they would be slightly tougher dps checks, but that would be so much easier to deal with in a 5-man group.

Now that I think about it I really want a 5-man version of the raids.
Without doubt finding 9 players (as opposed to finding 4) is the single biggest blocker to the content..

Edit: break bars would need to be cut in half too..

Mechanics would also need to be changed for a 5 Man Version.

Also 10 Man Groups allow for a more Flexible Group Setup

Vinceman.4572:

Funny thing the main intention of WP’s video isn’t in the foreground of this thread and several posts:
Hard but accessible content (and yes raids are accessible) has been present at all times in the GW universe even at start of GW2.

Its sad to see that most People just ignore the main Point of his Rant and just jump on the 10 Man Thing, like they have a Mental Block on the other Stuff, like the Things that GW2 was all about Casuals and easy Stuff and never for Hardcore Players which was debunked in the Video. Reading the Dev Interview on how super Hard Dungeons are and that you need Coordination and good Teamwork for them. Reading them reminds me much more of Raids we have now than Dungeons.

And yes, Dungeons were considered Hard after the Launch, but back then everyone was bad ( which is normal for a new Game ), Berserker Gear was considered kitten by many and Range was the King. Players were Running with Green, Blue and White Gear with Stats all over the Area, Skills were bugged and don’t remind me about the Trait System with Stats bound to the Lines, and you needed to spend Gold for Unlocking Traits or resetting your Traits, etc etc

Raids are succeeding where Dungeons failed hard and adding Challenging Instanced Content where you need Coodrination and Teamwork is much Closer to what Anet advertised back before Launch then the Stuff we got at Launch.

There is the 10 Man Thing that WP doesn’t like be he also said that he understands why Anet had to do it to market Challenging Group Content, they couldn’t do it with Dungeons and Fractals also don’t have that Rep.

Whats really golden is the Quote from the Beginning. Play as you want. One of the Dev Quotes thats taken completely out of Context.

Berelious.3290:

Walhalla.5473:

Excelvior.8520:

date set?

http://www.mmorpg.com/gamelist.cfm/game/473/feature/11006/Guild-Wars-2-Living-Story-Season-3-Out-of-the-Shadows-Begins-July-26th.html

As I thought.

Also there will be a new Fractal and it looks like that Fractals will get their own Storyline. This could also be interesting.

I didn’t see anything in that article about fractals. Where did you get it?

http://massivelyop.com/2016/07/12/a-sneak-peek-at-guild-wars-2s-living-world-season-3-episode-1-out-of-the-shadows/

There are different News Sites now reporting about it. The Embargo seems to be lifted.

Excelvior.8520:

date set?

http://www.mmorpg.com/gamelist.cfm/game/473/feature/11006/Guild-Wars-2-Living-Story-Season-3-Out-of-the-Shadows-Begins-July-26th.html

As I thought.

Also there will be a new Fractal and it looks like that Fractals will get their own Storyline. This could also be interesting.

Jaken.6801:

What’s interesting now is:
We got bloodstone and reasearch related to it now.

While it is interesting that there is not that much repurposing of enemy tech (Like taking Scarlets hologram/puppet army for example), the bloodstone could be an interesting weapon for later use.

Who else sees a bloodstone charged cannon later on? Moutned on the weird lighthouse in LA?

Another interesting Thing is, that we ( at least the ones who were there for Tower of Nightmare ) have something similar to a Bloodstone Shard in our Home Instance. The Krait Obelisk Shard. I don’t know the exact Text but a Priory Researcher said that the Krait Obelisks are very similar to the Bloodstones and also holds vast amounts of Magical Energy. I have to look again in LS2 but I’m sure that the Priory has some Shards now.

Perhaps, to defeat Lazarus ( if his Resurrection empowered him ) he have to Tap into the same Amount of Magic Matthias and Xera did. We have two possibilities for that. Bloodstone and the Obelisk Shards.

And now Reddit bursts in Flames because Mike said “something”, and its not enough.

For me this Post is Proof that it doesn’t take long for LS3 to drop, the News that our Characters aren’t mute is great.

I think that in two Weeks we will get this LS3, would perfectly line up with the small LW Updates we had. 3 on the Magic going kitten, and now we got 2 on increased Bandit/White Mantle Activity, now one more for the Latter and we are set for the next Season.^^

Trio
Siege
Those two don’t need any explanation
Gorseval. Dodge Smash, do your Rotations, thats the Core of this Boss,
Xera While an Epic Fight she is relatively Easy. Tank needs to memorize the Pattern of the big Attacks and avoid the Blurred Frenzy, but otherwise not that hard
Vale Guardian: A bit RNGish in Context where in the Section the Green Circle will spawn. The hardest Boss to Tank and Tank needs to know when to go where. Green Circle Duty can be easy, can be hard depending on where the Circle spawns. But 5 People can be completely new and the Boss still can be killed smoothly ( they don’t really have a job in the Fight )
Slothasor Post Nerf. After disabling his Chain Attack, he is following the Tank like a Good Dog. Mechanics can still screw you over with Poison and Shake
Keep Construct: If doing correctly not hard but his Mechanics are really punishing. Failed the Green Circles? Wipe, Failed to prevent the Spirits from Merging? Wipe. Failed to killed the Phantasms? Wipe. Pizza Attack while having Bombs? A big frickin’ Mess. Again a bit bipolar the Boss. Very unforgiving but doing the Mechanics and he should be no problem.
Sabetha: Quite a few Mechanics going on. A lot of Panic Potential. Everyone needs to pay Attention. Flame Wall and Green Bombs can overlap at bad Times. Mobs tend kick quite smart ( out of the Platform, in the Wall, or if you have the Bomb, back into the Group ). Cannon Fire also really damaging.
Slothasor Pre Nerf: Before his “Nerf” or “Fix”, that Boss goes into overdrive of being Lazy. Tank not moving fast enough? Chain every Mechanic he has. Tank swap at a bad Time, Chain every Mechanic he has. Flamebreath, Shake, Tantrum, moving 2 Metres Sleeping, Mushrooms growing back, waking up, another Shake etc etc. This was something that could happen and happened quite often, and this was one of the bigger Reasons why Slothasor was so hard.
Matthias Gabrel: So many Mechanics going on. Cleansing Corruption, dodging Hadoukens, CC’ing your Raidmembers, Wells, Tornados, Bombs etc etc. Good Potential of Sacrifice and Bomb Overlap which leads to Panic. Australian Tornados can change Direction everytime and be close enough to the middle that it can screw up with sacrifices. Matthias prefers to throw the Wells on Players with low HP or who are in Tornados so they drop the Well into the Middle. And then Abomination Phase. DO EVERYTHING. Oh and Ghosts are spawning. Some Mechanics go into overdrive. So much Potential for Panic and wipes

So Bobby you are saying that the Twisted Castle was intentional from Xera? For me it looked like some Accident while handling too much Magic over a short Time. More like a Mesmer Nuke went off after she reached the critical Mass of Magic.

And why she didn’t wreck DR like she did with her own Castle, there is another Reason. The White Mantle wants to Rule over Kryta, not destroy it. Reality Rending DR would turn most of the White Mantle supporters against them and they have quite a few Supporters in Kryta. I would say, enough to start a Civil War, they are all over the Human Population. Politicians, Soldiers, Lords, Ladies, the Common People, Criminals, there are Supporters everywhere.
The Picture we see in the Stronghold and the Twisted Castle is also there in different Locations in Kryta and if I’m right there should be another one in Caudecus Manor.

I would say LS3 will be the beginn of a bloody Civil War, we didn’t kill the Leadership of the Mantle, just some Inquisitors. There was no Confessor there and now Lazarus is revived, cleansed of the twisting Magic, whatever. They have their God back and now its the Time for them to strike.

Konig Des Todes.2086:

Walhalla.5473:

We don’t see any Reality Bending Mechanics in her Fight. Just her warped appearence and her Human Form ( after we force her to go back into it, implying that this is a temporary Form ) and her Mechanics deal about Bloodstones rather then Mesmer Magic ( there is some but its not as important as Matthias Elemental Magic ).

You forgot about the solid non-illusionary platforms that appear and vanish. That’s warping reality in of itself.

Those platforms and her giant psuedo-mursaat form are what I was talking about with her powers and why she couldn’t just stroll into DR and rend it asunder.

Even if the Platforms are Reality Warping its not on the same Level as the Twisted Castle, not even close.
The Castle is a big Area blown up with Reality Warping Magic on par with a small Nuke, the Reality Warping there is so strong that our Characters can go insane from just being there. If she welded that much Magic on the Fight against her, she would have torn the Heroes out of Reality but even in her Bloodstone-Form, there wasn’t that much. And that Castle doesn’t look like it was intended, it was more of an Accident. Also the Stasis Chamber was there. Why blowing up this Area on Purpose and thus Risking the Life of the last known Mursaat on Tyria? An Accident, where they were lucky not getting Lazarus killed, is much more plausible.

Considering what Sykper said, its likely that she knew how to use Bloodstones as an Energy Source. I mean we can force her from Bloodstone-Form into Human-Form by destroying the Bloodstones. She was using a limited Amount of Bloodstones and I think this was the Maximum she could harness without getting out of Control and she wasn’t willing to risk it, since it could go Bang like the Time the Twisted Castle was created and this Time killing Lazarus.

Konig Des Todes.2086:

There are two aspects that are vital for making a good villain:

• Believability
• Relatability

To me, Xera fails in this too – her powers is so beyond what should be possible for humans, even with bloodstone access. In fact, she is beyond the believable especially given the bloodstone access, given that both Randall Graystone and Matthias both showed that a human trying to control too much magic via bloodstones backlashes – yet this never seems to happen with Xera (unless I missed something). I mean, seeing the Xera fight just made me wonder one thing: why the hell didn’t she just waltz into DR herself and just shift the city into some mental hellhole nightmare fuel? She clearly is fully capable of that given she made the Twisted Castle.

To me it looks like Xera created the Twisted Castle when she wasn’t able to control her Magic. The Castle is not an Illusion, it is Reality bent by too much Magic that couldn’t be controlled and perhaps she got some Power Limiters cast on her or the Magic she released made her left with low enough amount of it behind that she can control it. We don’t see any Reality Bending Mechanics in her Fight. Just her warped appearence and her Human Form ( after we force her to go back into it, implying that this is a temporary Form ) and her Mechanics deal about Bloodstones rather then Mesmer Magic ( there is some but its not as important as Matthias Elemental Magic ). Right now she can control her Magic but from what she showed us here, she doesn’t seem to have the same Amount she had when creating the Twisted Castle. I would say, if she had that amount of Magic now as she had “creating” the Castle and if she was able to control it, she would have steamrolled DR.

And with Matthias, well he was already losing control of his Magic, us punching his Nose a few times might have been too much for him, but he still had some Semi-Control, like with the Hadouken Attack. He is still intelligent ( Phasing him at a Bad Time will him getting the Lines " Your sacrifice will bring him Life" " He will not be pleased" and " A worthy Sacrifice" with his Abomination Voice ) and if I’m not wrong when he dies he reverts back into his Human Form.

Interesting enough, the Painting in the Game isn’t new. This Painting is also there in the Salma District, 1st Floor of the Tavern in Andrews Room. Is it just Anet trolling us or has the Painting a meaning? We see this Painting quite a lot in the Twisted Castle and there is at least one Case of it being outside of the Raid.

Are there more Spots where we can find this Painting?

Linken.6345:

Ropechef.6192:

Tornupto.2304:

Try Arah p4 with 5 Bearbows without skipping Dwayna. Good luck.

oooooooo

a challenge.

Except it has been done, Granted this was awhile ago, but i am pretty sure we have gotten some serious buffing since then..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YzfqGlMdOTo

Yea you did it the hard way aswell would have just whiped out my greatsword.

Now since that challenge have been completed and raids are so easy go do the same with 10 bear bow/gs people

Edit.
Not saying it can be done but people seem to think that dungeons are as hard to get into as raids, since alot of the story/ez mode raid threads devolve into people saying -why arent people complaining about doing dungeon for their stories.

Big hint they dont have to since everyone and their mother can complete it when there are no enrage timers.

Enrage Timers are more than forgiving in Raids, People don’t fail because of them.