Guild Wars 2

I tend to notice when I am no longer transparent >.<

UPDATE 2 —-> The Funeral took place, and was a success. Screenshots have been posted to the thread. Let us take this time to now post pictures of our fallen thiefs and remember them as they were before these dark times.

The place: LA
The Time: 29.09.2015 9PM CEST (2PM Central US)
Contact: “Cynz.9437” if you need a taxi

Now, with all the other specs revealed, and all the cards on the table, who would be in favor of organizing an official funeral for our beloved class?

I suggest somewhere secluded and shady.

Feel free to suggest your favorite cemetery within Gw2, along with what you feel would be the most reasonable time for this event in order for people to attend and donate flowers.

Why is this happening to us…

While playing PvP, today I had a teammate order me to not play a thief before the game started, and instead “play a class that can do something”. Then i refused and continued to play, he claimed he had “reported me for botting” Lol what? Is this how bad things have gotten for our class? This is reminiscent of trying to do a dungeon back in the day.

alchemyst.2165:

Warhawk.7095:

alchemyst.2165:

If you have that low of hp that you will be killed if you use that ability you probably shouldn’t be using that. At least not at close enough range that it procs. You should probably be kiting in that case. To solve your problem you could also time it so that it is the last swing of whatever combo they’re doing so that you don’t get hit extra when the skill activates.

Besides, technically you’re not interrupting the incoming attack, you’re blocking the incoming attack and then knocking them down. It can interrupt things, but I don’t see why you’re looking specifically for an interrupt. I mean yeah, pulmonary impact trait, but still, it’s not IDEAL for the sole purpose of interrupting someone.

And if you’re looking for a “true” reactionary interrupt skill, look at headshot or steal. As I said before, you’re looking at the skill without looking at ALL of its purposes, you’re looking at it as just an interrupt due to aftercasts.

So to sum up your post:

You shouldn’t use the skill for its intended purpose, it’s better with this unintended design flaw.

facepalm do I have to explain myself again? I said, while it CAN be used as an interrupt, that is not its ONLY purpose, and if you are using it PURELY for interrupts, you’re doing something wrong. It has multiple abilities. And if you really want to use it for interrupts, I already told you what you could do to help you get them off easier. And I’m pretty sure it’s not a design flaw. It’s a window so people MIGHT have a time to react. An instant unavoidable knockdown stun break every 10 seconds is kittening insane. The cast time is there so a player can go “hold up my skill is about to hit his block, better dodge”. It’s not big, but it’s some counterplay for those very observant players. And just because there’s counterplay doesn’t mean it’s bad. It’s still definitely a very good skill, as I’ve stated before.

How “observant” do you have to be to whirl towards someone with a multi-hit attack?

The block is only ONE second long, bandits defense IS the counter-play, not something that just gets thrown up for OTHER people to figure out how to counter. (You want to counter play a 1 second block? ok, sneeze, snap your fingers, do literally anything that kills one second. There, the block’s time has expired, continue application of spam.)

And nobody here said the kick needed to be “unavoidable” but getting wrecked by the skill that you a specifically using bandits defense to counter make this skill useless for its intended purpose.

I have no idea why you can’t see the design intent here.

evilapprentice.6379:

Warhawk.7095:

alchemyst.2165:

If you have that low of hp that you will be killed if you use that ability you probably shouldn’t be using that. At least not at close enough range that it procs. You should probably be kiting in that case. To solve your problem you could also time it so that it is the last swing of whatever combo they’re doing so that you don’t get hit extra when the skill activates.

Besides, technically you’re not interrupting the incoming attack, you’re blocking the incoming attack and then knocking them down. It can interrupt things, but I don’t see why you’re looking specifically for an interrupt. I mean yeah, pulmonary impact trait, but still, it’s not IDEAL for the sole purpose of interrupting someone.

And if you’re looking for a “true” reactionary interrupt skill, look at headshot or steal. As I said before, you’re looking at the skill without looking at ALL of its purposes, you’re looking at it as just an interrupt due to aftercasts.

So to sum up your post:

You shouldn’t use the skill for its intended purpose, it’s better with this unintended design flaw.

I don’t know why you’re assuming it’s an unintended design, to the point of being a flaw. With a 10s CD, the KD feels to me like a designed window of counterplay. Again, that’s not the case at 15s CD, but the skill was initially designed with a 10s CD.

What is the point of a parry/riposte type skill (<—- thats what this is), if the attack that you are specifically parrying still hits you before the riposte?

And further, why would they bother to design a skill like this without something like that in mind?

evilapprentice.6379:

At 10s base CD for a block/stunbreaker, the retaliatory kick is necessary for some sort of counter play. Not every class has the ability to exploit the .5s KD attack, but some do – as a thief, you should learn who you can use BD as a block against, and who you should save it as a Stunbreaker against.

But, since we already know the skill is being bumped to 15s CD, it’s going to need some kind of buff – I just went over how easily countered the skill is by any class with stability/a multi hit attack, and it’s just not good enough for a 15s cd.

Instead of an evade, perhaps cut the KD kick cast time down to .25s?

Honestly, anything to bridge that gap between the block and the kick.

alchemyst.2165:

If you have that low of hp that you will be killed if you use that ability you probably shouldn’t be using that. At least not at close enough range that it procs. You should probably be kiting in that case. To solve your problem you could also time it so that it is the last swing of whatever combo they’re doing so that you don’t get hit extra when the skill activates.

Besides, technically you’re not interrupting the incoming attack, you’re blocking the incoming attack and then knocking them down. It can interrupt things, but I don’t see why you’re looking specifically for an interrupt. I mean yeah, pulmonary impact trait, but still, it’s not IDEAL for the sole purpose of interrupting someone.

And if you’re looking for a “true” reactionary interrupt skill, look at headshot or steal. As I said before, you’re looking at the skill without looking at ALL of its purposes, you’re looking at it as just an interrupt due to aftercasts.

So to sum up your post:

You shouldn’t use the skill for its intended purpose, it’s better with this unintended design flaw.

Are you seriously suggesting that a point blank reactionary skill that is activated by being struck is NOT defensive in nature, and is instead used for setup?

And besides that point, I’m not even suggesting that it is. What I’m saying is that the point of the skill is to interrupt an incoming attack (and I don’t mean just a random cleave.) So, my point is again, as was stated above: Why have a reactionary interrupt ability when you can be killed by said attack before you even strike out with your foot to interrupt it?

So, its without question that our class sorely needed SOME form of block/reposite type skill added, and while this one’s duration is only a single second it is a step in the right direction.

The only issue with the ability is that after you throw up your arms to block the incoming attack, you open back up to continue taking damage in the time between the block and the retaliatory kick to the face.

This mean that the block is essentially useless against quick multi-hit attacks like the Warriors GS #3 skill, preventing any sort of tactical or careful use for the ability. This is compounded if you manage to get stunned or knocked down during this same window.

I think a relatively simple tweak is in order to bring this skill up to par, and that is simply adding a minuscule evade time between the attack that you block, up until the kick connects with the enemy. Because really what is the point of kicking your enemy to interrupt their attack when the attack has already killed you before you can swing your big Chuck Norris leg into their chest?

Thank you for your consideration.

And it is conclusive.

Thief still has no role.

And apparently no place in Gw2.

So thief remains unable to engage in ranged combat…
…And instead gets another melee weapon to die with in AOE condi and lockdown pools.

How about…

3) some form of stability
4) some form of parry and riposte (since we are the only class in the game without any form of block that isn’t underwater. )
5) longer than a 3/4 second evade on an ability with a minute long cooldown…. (not even a whole second? I often get locked right back down in the same bomb before i can even roll out of the way!)

Sorry, people were talking about potential steal changes and new buttons… and that came into my head and was too good to let slide.

Yeah, I saw that…

I guess there is some minute comfort in my thread getting deleted because it proves that someone had to click on this forum, and actually come in here to get rid of it.

Haze.9075:

While I secretly hope to hear from Anet too, now is probably the worst time as a developer to go on forums and read about player frustrations and impatience. Posts like this degrade morale of staff and does not contribute to faster development time. How would you feel if your work was constantly shamed on the forums even in the midst of deadlines and trying your best to improve quality for players?

If you feel that a staff is not doing their jobs properly, my personal approach would be to send a ticket for Anet to handle it internally.

The silence is deafening, yes, I’m a player too. However, demanding “our satisfaction, or else…” approach seems foolish to me. No developer wants the heavy burden of knowing players quit because of their poor work. We don’t need to reiterate threats directed towards staff, hence the forum regulations.

^ I think it would improve moral just to see that a Dev has even looked at the forum… I would be happy if one came in and posted a picture of their cat or something. Any kind of response would reassure people that they are at least clicking on this forum. Anything is better than than this silent isolation type of approach.

Best Elite spec would be the Capt. Ginyu move from DBZ. Switch classes with your opponent then murder them because thief is so badly outclassed.

I didn’t even get a message when they deleted my thread… And I pretty much offered to sacrifice a goat in exchange for as little as a “Hello” from literally anyone with Anet next to their name.

My only comment would be that I can’t seen Shadows Embrace getting an A-

I wasn’t able to hop on for the discussion, but I’ll toss my thought out here anyways…

With SE getting nerfed to where it it now ONLY clears damage conditions (and the new terrible placement of the skill forcing a choice between 20% deception), and at the same time the whole game got massive buffs to conditions… it is nowhere near up to par, or worthy of an A-

Considering that stealth used to be able to clear: Fear, Weakness, Vuln, as well as every other situational condition that is often detrimental to thieves, I wouldn’t rate it any higher than a flat C.

I guess 2800 hours on thief wasn’t enough for an invite…

QQ

Peow peow.2189:

This entire guild represents what is currently wrong with the thief community. Banding together so you can 1 hit backstab people in WvW and Pvp. Its plain bug abuse.

I will be reporting this thread.

What bug?

We are as Anet made us. Game is being played as intended.

IGN: Rogue Spectre
Playstyle: Mostly WvW, limited PvP
Server: Darkhaven
Experience with thief: About two years roaming experience, hard hitting gank, dueling, GvG, etc. I enjoy eating zerg tails, and breaking into SMC just to wipe all that expensive siege. Started roaming on FC, was a part of several 5-10 man roaming guilds which ended up with paid transfers to DR, SoR, FC (again), then finally DH. Aside from WvW, I have 100% completion on thief, as well as extensive fractal, dungeon, JP, etc. experience from my pve days.

Avoid’s comment, finds something arbitrary to comment on.

Clearly you don’t have anything to say,

Dusk.4708:

Gasp we gotta actually try to use skills effectively instead of just click stealth all the conditions are gone gg noob! Maybe try using withdraw like 90% of the community does which cleanses all soft cc (immob,chill,cripple) IN ADDITION to SE which cleanses the damaging condis and omg here’s a thought dont get pro L33t and think you can insta kill everything anymore and actually play smart.

got an experts opinion on this issue here’s his response
http://new2.fjcdn.com/thumbnails/comments/5371127+_4b760e0502231c5266e8180e330ffada.png

Oh so, every other class in the game and take care of their conditions with the touch of a button, but the moment a thief only has to do one thing for the same result they are a noob?

I’m sorry, putting 300% more effort than other classes into something as simple as dealing with conditions is not balance. Get off your horse and recognize that there is a problem here.

Its still there, but if you choose it you get zero condi cleanse. so… yeah its gone.

[Edit, I was also supposed to be angry about being forced into Shadow arts line just for condi removal]

I’ve been playing thief for a long time, and it’s had its ups and downs, but this last change has destroyed any possibility of the thief remaining a relevant class in the new meta. Seriously Anet, if you want to remove thief from the game just DO IT, and give us the option to change all of our ascended armor and weapons to heavy so we can all play warriors like you want.

M biggest gripe right now has to do with the ridiculous new condi meta. While most classes are getting buffs to condi removal in response, thief just gets nuked. Sure, you can now trait to remove ONE condition each time you use a trick. So if you set all of your utilities, including your elite to tricks, you’ll be running an ineffective build with the ability to remove a whopping FIVE conditions, AKA, 2 seconds of fighting an engie. Seriously nobody is going to blow an entire utility to remove just one condition, especially since so many are applied so quickly.
That only leaves us with our one tried and true condi removal, “Shadows Embrace”. HOWEVER, this was nuked as well. Not only does it now ONLY remove damage conditions, but it has been placed to where you have to choose between it and 20% deception cooldown. This means that you can choose “Shadows Embrace”, and deal with longer cooldowns, and less condi removal than before the patch, or you can choose quicker stealth cooldowns and get zero condi removal from them and get melted.

Just my gripes, but I know these forums, I await the responses of “nuh uh! thief was buffed!, and i can clear 15 condition a second with mah now useless sword!”

Anyways, if anyone from Anet reads this (lol, like they visit the thief forum), could you please change all of my medium asc armor sets to heavy now that I can no longer play my class?

Oh, it’s in sessions? I guess that E-mail really would’ve helped =\

I have the stone, and the beta slot, but never got an E-mail.

Whenever I click the beta character slot all the buttons grey out and i can’t do anything. I can play or create with my other characters and slots just fine.

Is this a glitch? Did I just miss out on something?

They are buffing ALL the classes, why are you already begging for nerfs to thief?

Hey, I just found this thread after having the same problem, walking backwards didnt seem to do anything. I did manage to fix it after several trys however. When i activated the instance, before moving towards Eir, I went right, like i was going to go around her and just into the cave, and it activated correctly.

Hope that helps someone

My kamikaze warrior.

If you are a wild killing machine, and need direction join [MEAN]. I once spent my days killing in all directions, but now with organized raids and GvG’s I have a specific targets to direct the killing towards.

vespers.1759:

Would be impressed if it wasn’t a thief.

Why is that? That thief just beat 3 of the heaviest CC-capable classes in the game, at once. Basically his direct hard-counter classes (Engie and Ele).

He sounds like a good player who beat the odds here, and you sound like you’ve been planted by too many thieves to appreciate it.

3rd day in a row now.

To clarify, I am able to play (usually) with little to no lag, for about 5 minutes before it just disconnects me. I’ve done everything i can think of on my end and nothing is working.

I’ve been playing on the same machine, and same internet connection for the past 7 months, without a single issue, and now for the past two days I can’t seem to play for longer than 5-10 minutes without disconnecting from the entire game. And in the small amounts of time that i DO manage to get online, I have sporadic, 5-10 second lag spikes, where my skills just blink endlessly until i’m dead.

This is ONLY affecting Gw2, not any other game I have, nor anything else I use the internet for.

Whatever was done to the game the day before yesterday has made it impossible for me to play.

It’s just them announcing a new set of mordremoth themed mini’s.

800 gems each.

Yes, sadly it wasn’t vs a whole 20 at the same time, but I don’t think just the 3 of us would have been able to pull that off… but still, one continuous fight for the 3 of us with over 20 stomps. Not what I was expecting when we went to wipe the guys hiding in the camp.

Also yes, I don’t have 7-0 keybinded… I don’t play gw2 super serious and don’t want to confuse myself with other games >.<

Recorded this about 2 hours ago, and its just too fun not to share with you all.

My 3-man roaming group manages to fight off a steady stream of at least 20 enemies, and their NPCs, inside their own camp and win.

(haven’t edited the video so mute if you don’t care for language… some people in TS get excited >.>)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o2KJTno_02E

Kyon.9735:

Of course it’s a different story if you’re fighting a group of full bunkers or cheesy hambows.

These days its pretty rare to not fight a group of bunkers of some kind.

I hate being forced to go full glass cannon just to overcome the prevalence of those builds.

So, your definition of an “un-killable” thief is one who uses stealth?..

Look, I main a thief, and the class is by no means “un-killable”. A thief excels at taking down lone prey. After reading your OP, standing on a road ominously waiting for travelers sounds like a great way to have some fun, but in reality this is a learn to play issue. As a guardian you have more toughness, heals, and blocks and just about any other class. If you are letting yourself get killed, its your fault, not the thiefs. Take a different route, or try not traveling alone.

I would honestly much rather face a lone thief on the road than a mesmer 99% of the time.

Is 10k badges really the best number here?… I’m like level 300 in wvw and have been playing wvw for like 7 months on end, ankitten owhere near 10k badges. I have no idea how many badges you get from a massive fight on a high tier server, but on mine, it’s not a ton.

I’m just going to use one specific example here, and leave it open from there.

Yakslapper.

In order to get the title you just need to kill (wait for it…) 1,000,000 Supply Caravans.

Now before the old “oh they did it on purpose, those titles are for the extremely dedicated!”, allow me to break this down a bit:

Lets say that you killed one Caravan every five minutes, continuously, without fail, for 24 hours a day.

1,000,000 × 5 = 5,000,000 (The number of minutes spent killing Yaks)
5,000,000 / 60 = 83,333 (The number of hours spent killing Yaks)
83,333 / 24 = 3472 (The number of 24 hour days spent killing Yaks)
3472 / 365 = 9.51 ( The number of years spent killing Yaks 24 hours a day)

9 and a half years… at 24 hours a day, no breaks, no sleep, no job.

Well, thats not very reasonable, lets break it into shift work and get this done, we’ll only slay Yaks for 12 solid hours a day, every day.

9.51 × 2 = 19.02 (Years spent killing Yaks for 12 hours each 24 hour day)

For our purposes I’m going to go with the 12 hour a day schedule, because a human being cannot actually survive the 24 hour a day schedule.

So, to re-phrase my original question… who thought this was viable? at all?

Between roughly ten to nineteen years to unlock an achievement title?

What is the point of putting content in the game if it is not attainable?

Splatter Paw.7238:

If i recall shortbow was NEVER nerfed so i dont know how we would nerf it “more”. Second why should it be nerfed? Cause some people abuse its evade? Other class’s can maintain 100% vigor without trying and dodge to there happiest desires and its a issue that was can spam a backward evade 3 maybe 4 times (at what point were out of ini and sitting ducks) So i disagree, besides haven’t we eatin the bat of nerfs enough the last 6 months?

I would consider dropping the SB range from 1200 to 900 a nerf.

What: Thief’s ability to move.
Why: Other classes get confused when things move.

LightningBlaze.4913:

They are still there on other bl…… The serious problem in wvw right now is CONSTANT STEALTH BROKEN MECHANIC!

Not the CONSTANT AOE CONDITION IMMOBILIZE KNOCKDOWN FEAR KNOCKBACK CHILL STUN CONFUSION POINTBLANK SPAM-FEST?

No?…

LightningBlaze.4913:

johnnymiller.5968:

I think highly skilled thieves are almost impossible to counter. One took 5 of us out in approximately a minute in SM today. We all knew the thief was there but had no answer – one or two hits & you were down then the thief vanished before anyone could try & counter. Should their stealth skills be nerfed? I don’t know. Are they any worse than the op hammer wielding opponents or any other perceived op classes?

There is no such thing as player skills when playing as thief. It is that easy to play it “effectively”.

That is a laughable sentiment..

I know a “good” thief from a “bad” thief in about the first 2 seconds of a fight, and there are alot more of the latter.

I’ll just drop this off here:

A thief wouldn’t have to stealth so much if they had literally any other abilities to survive a fight.

Instead of another thread about just crying calling for nerfs, I propose that for every ability you suggest they REMOVE from the thief, that you suggest the specific CREATION of another viable skill to make up for it.

I’m a thief and I’d love to fight face to face… …if the game gave me any of the tools needed to win a fight that way.

^ I’ve been on FC for a year and your post is about the most negative thing I’ve encountered so far.

I love FC. It’s like a thriving small town, and whenever i guest to another larger server for something I see the way they act, trying to do event secretly without letting people know etc. and all i can think i “Man, im glad i have a GOOD server to go back to”

And I’d like to go ahead and add our guild to the list, for anyone considering FC.

AoE (Ascension of the Elements)
Leader: Element X / Hydro Lazr

We are a casual guild with players of all skillsets and interests, new player and old players, who dedicate time to helping eachother, and doing a variety of events. We have guild WvW nights, as well as a number of players who devote themselves to wvw the rest of the time as well, also pvp tourney’s dungeons, bounties, rushes, puzzles, challenges, temples, you name it.

Cosmos The Cat.2954:

Scorpion Wire.
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You mean that thing that magically flies further than our arrows, and 99% of the time it just deflects off the warrior’s titanium butt-plate?