Guild Wars 2

Dardamaniac.1295:

Xsorus.2507:

Dardamaniac.1295:

Aeris speak the truth..Ive been screaming since leaked patch notes came out…Take Companions Might with a crit chance build…With RaO,with Sword 1 you will be able to put 15+ stack of might to your pet easily….

No…Aeri doesn’t speak the truth, You can stack 15 mights on your pet all your want (Hell you can stack 25 incredibly easy right now without companions might) and it will not remotely come close to the damage loss from the pet nerfs..

The fact that you think it does makes me sad for rangers

I wonder…Why not…?Why you assume that 15 might of stacks worth kitten? 25 might stacking was only possible when you used RaO.

and 25 stacks will still be only possible with RaO, and all it took was gutting the damage in the first place.

Aeri.5738:

Its by far not the only viable build, it was simply the best build we had.
As I said, I unly tried it for a short time because its boring for me, and I had NO PROBLEM to deal with other classes (while not running bm), either in sPVP, tPVP or WvW.

If you complain about BM being useless in Dungeons, then you might want to rethinkg that statement.
with the buffs on LB and Signets rangers got buffed for dungeons, too.

BM is awful in dungeons.. and I created the bloody build..

You don’t see people say “Gee we should give up one of our Warriors for a BM ranger” for a reason….

and LB changes for dungeons? Are you joking..There is nothing you can do on a Ranger that will remotely compare ever to a Greatsword Warrior in a dungeon..

Dardamaniac.1295:

Aeris speak the truth..Ive been screaming since leaked patch notes came out…Take Companions Might with a crit chance build…With RaO,with Sword 1 you will be able to put 15+ stack of might to your pet easily….

No…Aeri doesn’t speak the truth, You can stack 15 mights on your pet all your want (Hell you can stack 25 incredibly easy right now without companions might) and it will not remotely come close to the damage loss from the pet nerfs..

The fact that you think it does makes me sad for rangers

Aeri.5738:

I understand you are mad, too because BM was the only thing you were running, but maybe after the update the sun will start to shine again.

I’ve run countless builds, I’m asking you not to post because you don’t have a clue what you’re talking about.

The fact that you think a damage nerf that has an effect on all Rangers, not just BM’s by a large amount is ok because you get a pull on offhand axe (again kittenty weapon even with pull) a crappier version of might buffs on signets (which again, other classes have better ones) and a Longbow being buffed at the expense of making one of our other weapons kittentier tells me you should stick to playing your Warrior and Thief you post about.

K, I’ve been at work all night, and had to read some of the dumbest posts imaginable in this thread all night as well.

Lets clear something up right here and now, There was no damage buff in this patch for Ranger.

This was flat out a damage nerf to our damage…15% damage bonus’s to the utility SB attacks which virtually do no damage as it is (I think all but one of them actually do more damage then crossfire in the first place) does not equal anywhere near the amount of damage lost from the pets being nerfed…Its not even bloody close.

Having reviewed every other class, Most of them got damage increases…The ones that didn’t get damage increases generally got more utility, more defense, or more substain.

We’re the only class to eat a fairly heavy damage nerf….For anyone who thinks that acceptable please take the door out of these forums. If you want to see how over the top the damage nerfs were, Simply replace them with any other classes “damage” attacks"

Instead of Maul being nerfed on Cats, 100B is nerfed by 50%….Warriors would flip out if Anet did something like that, and they should.

Now….with that out of the way..

Anyone who thinks a 30 point Nature Talent to give Guard (and lets face it, this is the only Shout you’re going to use with that talent) a Regen/Swiftness boon is a good “GM talent” is out of their kitten mind.

Not only is Swiftness over abundant as it is, but Regen is as well…. with 30 Points in Natures you could kitten well have perma regen anyway with Healing Spring as well…

Plus its going to be on Guard, which is going to take up a utility slot for something that was only ever good when you could send pets into keeps to kitten people…

Attaching a Stun Break will not change that… I’d rather have Lightning Reflex or Signet of Renewal any day of the week over Guard, because they’re actually some what useful for other then a stun break.

The Changes to SB and Longbow…..Making Shortbow suck is not a solution to making Longbow better….If you think this is a good idea…You’re clearly not playing this class.

instead of nerfing Shortbow range to that of a bloody thiefs shortbow (which is vastly superior to ours in the first place) they should of just increased Longbows range to 1500 without a talent..Since we’re suppose to be the master of bows anyway…

The Offhand Axe Change…Again.. The problem with Offhand axe isn’t Path of Scars, I mean its not a great ability, and those people who keep saying “I crit people for 7k” are pretty much hitting underleveled people and should be ignored as they probably use Bears in the first place but the ability itself…Its not super…Attaching a Pull to it will not make me use offhand axe more, The problem with offhand axe still remains the absolute crap number 5 ability….until you can move with it, Offhand axe will suck and continue to suck..There is a reason you see no one running this weapon… and its not because it lacked a pull.

The spirit changes, Again……These are absolute useless abilities… You go out and make a video of you using Call Lightning on people.. Go on i’ll wait.

The other talent changes are hilarious at best, and people are talking about them like its amazing.

Companions Might is now 5 seconds instead of 1…Great…. To bad they just gutted all the pet damage by such a massive amount that even if you managed to stack 25 stacks of might on your pet, it still wouldn’t equal the damage lost.

Beastmaster’s Might, Again.. I saw some people talking about this like its amazing

I can get to the same thing on my Thief, only I get 5 stacks instead of 3…. and not only that..I can go stealth perma and pop out of stealth with 12 stacks already…So I can pop on you from stealth on a thief with 25 stacks of might already…And you have virtually no way of stopping me from doing or seeing it coming….I’ve popped people for 15k with Backstab doing this….15k….instantly..with no warning…They didn’t know I was there because I was D/P when doing it.

There is only 2 changes in that entire patch notes that I consider remotely good…

Stability Training… Which I’ll have to see how it works.

and Keen Edges…Which I’ll have to see how it works (I use this on my Rampager’s Build already but i’m not certain it even works)

Also..

For any Devs that happen to browse this post, I have one question..

WTF were you smoking that made you think that Moa’s and Pigs of all things needed a damage nerf…..i mean seriously..Were you slamming your heads against the keyboard kitten a kitten along saying “Pets need nerf..Nerf all pets”

Cause that’s the only logical conclusion i can come up with for nerfing those 2 pet families.

Oh and Devourer, cause when I think scary pet…I think that one…

Anyone out there who thinks this is a good “patch” for rangers is out of his mind

Not only do they nerf the range on SB, which hurts a lot of ranger builds

They absolutely gut the damage of Pets, which hurts all rangers..and they don’t give you anything else in return, I’m sorry… a few trait changes for spirits which still blow is not equal trade to gutting almost all our builds.

Pets
Armor Fish: Bite: Reduced damage by 50%.
Bird: Slash: Increased damage by 15%.
Eagle: Lacerating Slash: Reduced damage by 50%.
Raven: Blinding Slash: Reduced damage by 34%.
Canine: Bite: Reduced damage by 27%.
Devourer: Twin Darts: Reduced damage by 20%.
Drake: Bite: Reduced damage by 27%.
Drake: Lightning Breath: Reduced damage by 17%.
Feline: Maul: Reduced damage by 50%.
Jaguar: Stalking: Critical chance increase while in stealth reduced to 25%.
Jellyfish: Tentacle Slash: Increased damage by 50%.
Jellyfish Blue: Chilling Whirl: Decreased damage by 33%.
Moa: Peck: Reduced damage by 7%.
Pig: Jab: Reduced damage by 25%.
Shark: Bite: Increased damage by 10%.
Spider: Spit: Increased damage by 10%.

This would absolutely break Beastmaster rangers

I mean… absolutely destroy the build.

Hell, It would absolutely break most ranger specs in general because i’m not seeing a massive damage increase across the board to rangers to make up for it.

You guys know the Drake Tail swipe applies Weakness right?

I’m 90% sure they’re going to nerf the ever living crap out of Rangers

in fact i would honestly be surprised if they didn’t break or ruin bunker build this patch.

To many people whining that they have to pay attention to the pet.

Ashen.2907:

Xsorus.2507:

There is no way GW2 offers anything remotely close to Rift in terms of Class
differentiation

The amount of specs available in Rift is absolutely silly.

Not only did you have the “pure builds” you had all the hybrid ones as well.

I can actually name some of the “builds” off that were played back then on Mages

44 Necro
32 Necro/32 Warlock
32 Necro/32 Dom
44 Pyro/11 Necro (this was nerfed early on)
32 Storm Caller/32 Warlock
32 pyro/32 Warlock
51 Pyro
51 Stormcaller
32 Chloro/32 Dom
32 Dom/16 Chloro/16 PvP Soul
51 Archon
32 Pyro/32 Elementalist
32 Ele/32 Warlock

Thats all the ones i can think of off the top of my head only for Mage, there are more…

There are at several times that many builds available to just an Elementalist focussing on fire and dual daggers.

Multiply that by four elements…

Multiply that by the five weapon combination options…

and Elementalist alone has probably in the neighborhood of eighty to one hundred times as many builds as you list.

Vayne.8563:

but I still never really got an idea of who he was, because he was always changing.

Isnt this pretty much possible in GW2 as well ? Switching from support to tank to DPS with little effort ?

Yea..Umm no

What you’re describing is abilities, not actual builds.

D/D Ele’s Go pretty much the same spec, They might slightly switch up gear..But its pretty much the same spec.

In fact, Your spec is pretty much determined by what weapons you use on a Ele

S/D D/D and Staff with their appropriate builds are pretty much the only specs for Ele’s at this point.

You don’t just “focus” on one element either..like Fire for example..If you’re a D/D ele, you’re going to be swapping into every single element following a rotation.

In terms of build Diversity, You actually don’t have a whole lot on Elementalist..a Necromancer for example has far more available builds then you.

AS for Abilities themselves…rift had so many abilities available you had to use a Macro system to make it manageable.

eldain stenlund.4306:

you have 1200 toughness

less then 2500 armor..

that is why you’re getting hit hard.

Don’t get me wrong, berserker thieves are going to hit you hard…But you’re getting crushed because you’re glass cannon just the same.

You need to get off the notion that just because you’re in heavy armor..It means you’re impossible to kill

If you get tanky, you still die. just takes 4 seconds instead of 2.
But you cant do crap against thief either in tank… so your just becoming a free kill.

Heavy armor should have naturaly High physical resist.
Have you ever tried to use a knife against a plate armor ?? i have, just for the fun of it.
And trust me.. i didnt even dent the kitten crap when i stabbed it or slized at it.

Heavy armor… is the totaly Anti knife armor. hell its even anti sword to some degree.

If you want a similar test.. just take a 2 mm thick metal sheet… then take a knife.. and stabb away all you like.. you never gonna hurt the metal.

No, I never had a chance to stab plate armor with a Knife

I was to busy you see casting Fireballs at it.

Oh and this one time I had my 5 foot Drake Shoot a Swarm of Insects at it to see how it did.

loseridoit.2756:

Sol.4310:

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I don’t mean to impose on your skill or anything like that I meant what I as a general comment, what I’m trying to get at is not all builds will counter all builds. You might have a solid spec and be good player, but there is no such thing as 1 build beats them all. There are fair few builds out there for classes that beat the BM/Bunker, none of this draw stuff.

So why not run them builds or them classes as they are the counter. If you can’t do it with your current build don’t try.

Also, if your drawing with someone on point fight your not being every effective to your team at all…. If anything your wasting your time fighting that point when you could be supporting your team and taking a different point.

my build is quite different. It bring group condition removal, aoe cc and enough dps to down any enemy.

I have to test it out with a premade team to understand my build in team effectiveness. however, I should be able to stand a chance on most 1 vs 1 encounters. To give you an idea of the horrible bm ranger i fought against and still lost, I traited my shield to reflect and most of them dont realize they are killing themselves until the end of the channel…..

my problem with the build is that damage is too high to be a bunker. I want the player to work at downing the enemy rather than the pet does it for them.

Oh well, I hope anet rework the class because they do not scale well against multiple enemies

The fact that you think the BM ranger is bad because he kept shooting you while reflect up is rather funny….He probably just didn’t notice it because if he’s a BM ranger and using a shortbow, He probably is doing less then 200 damage a shot to himself…

Your build is probably just bad for fighting BM Rangers, that’s generally how Builds are…they have counters….

P/D thief is a good example, Its incredibly powerful against some builds, put it against a D/P thief though, and it’ll get jacked.

DtC.4806:

And yet BP has the lowest population of the 3 servers (we will be medium again in a couple days) we just know how to manage our server, we keep people entertained through 20 omega golem rushes, pink Zergs (expect a pink Zerg Thursday night, don’t die to it
BP has a low server population but still trumps you guys in wvw numbers (but not by too much, but enough to manAge with)

Our teamspeak is the first and foremost reason with o success in numbers, broadcadting surround sound music in a ts channel while able to listen to everyone at the sme time really keeps people up late, it excels the servers longevity and keeps everyone entertained, 90% of the server uses our teamspeak, once they join it they never leave.

rofl…

Not sure if serious

only one difference

NA has players with teeth
EU does not..

Matches are determined by who has the most population.

If you’re not the one with the most population, Generally there is little reason to bother upgrading a tower because it’ll just be taken when you’re not on..or it will be taken while you’re on by a massive zerg who will simply mow through it rather quickly.

Also unless you already have siege in place, you won’t get anything for defending unless you actually kill large numbers of people… which thanks to the down system, means you probably won’t kill them.

People bash warhammer online a lot, but that game had a far better defense system then this game…and defending in that game was actually a very good way to get realm points.

There is no way GW2 offers anything remotely close to Rift in terms of Class
differentiation

The amount of specs available in Rift is absolutely silly.

Not only did you have the “pure builds” you had all the hybrid ones as well.

I can actually name some of the “builds” off that were played back then on Mages

44 Necro
32 Necro/32 Warlock
32 Necro/32 Dom
44 Pyro/11 Necro (this was nerfed early on)
32 Storm Caller/32 Warlock
32 pyro/32 Warlock
51 Pyro
51 Stormcaller
32 Chloro/32 Dom
32 Dom/16 Chloro/16 PvP Soul
51 Archon
32 Pyro/32 Elementalist
32 Ele/32 Warlock

Thats all the ones i can think of off the top of my head only for Mage, there are more…

Its BM Bunker Build…

Its still the same build i created months ago.

I have a guide for it

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/ranger/BM-Bunker-Build-Guide/first#post1845851

a movie guide for it

and there have been countless BM Bunker build videos posted by other people besides myself as well.

Why he’d try and keep that a secret I don’t know..

It worked against poison, cause that’s what I tested against it.

K, tested it.. and it works fine

At least against mobs

EHh, I just tested it like 3 days ago.. and it was working.. did they break it again?

One sec i’ll go test

Dovgan.8605:

Xsorus.2507:

A. you obviously have the original screenshot, why not post it?

Yeah, another asumption on your part

B. Upset about server performance? Anyone upset how the servers are performing clearly don’t understand how the rating system works.

You are the top rated server in this match up

C. I’ve seen kittennozzles on all servers, including yours…. Don’t act like SBI is somehow different.

I am not, however, this stems from a fellow server mate of yours saying that they hadn’t seen it from the other two servers

I’m not the thief, and I find your excuses on not posting the screenshot rather suspect.

How exactly? That is what I am curious about most. That is the chat window from the screenshot that I edited the names out of, what else exactly would be in the screen? Since you are suspect, enlighten me, and I will see what I shed some light on for you. If I switched chat tabs to get the conversation without any additional map chatter, that’s all you are going to see. Please, please tell me what the heck else would be in the screen. (And they aren’t excuses, that’s the chat box from the game, I edited it to take the names out. I saved it over the original file in .jpg format, and I am not exactly sure why I should have saved the screen, I get a lot of QQ while in WvW, I don’t need to keep a compendium.) But what else would have been in the screen shot? You enjoy making all kinds of assumptions, lets see what this one is.

Edit Maybe you are confusing this with video, the screens don’t move like they do in the video format(they are, in fact, quite stationary). This is just a screen shot, that means there isn’t a whole lot of me switching chat tabs in it, it’s just one single tab with those words in it.

So you now don’t have the original screenshot, all we have is a story you’ve given us with the only proof being you whining to this person first.

How about you post this guys name, and we’ll have him come to this thread and give his/her side of the story?

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/ranger/BM-Bunker-Build-Guide/first#post1845851

Or watch the movie

Dovgan.8605:

Xsorus.2507:

Dovgan.8605:

Xsorus.2507:

Kodiack.2783:

Xsorus.2507:

Dovgan.8605:

Xsorus.2507:

Dovgan.8605:

Man, the more I play folks from SBI the more I realize how angry and sad they are. Thief jumps me while fighting 6 krait, so I disengage the krait, because that just makes sense. He can’t kill me alone, but luckily he runs into several of his server mates. Happens, that’s WvW. Then I get this … Sorry that a thief couldn’t just insta gib me, really, sorry it took a 3 on one to finally get me down. But before you get all uppity, learn what a build can do, and don’t qq to me in a whisper then block me because you are inept at your class, and don’t understand mine.

Ehh, from what I can tell, you got zerged then msged him first?

Don’t do that…. never do that in a game…

Not only does it seem sad, you’ll never get a good msg back from the person you’re crying to.

Actually he invited me into a group. I never decline invites, then continued to talk in whispers until he blocked me. And the extent of what I said was what you see in the chat window because he seemed to think that evades were somehow glitches or hacks, and anyone who plays this game knows there are skills that evade if they are used correctly. The whisper you see is the first message I sent after he invited me, claimed I was glitching and broke group.

So I neither messaged this guy first, or said anything aside from what you see there.

Just because he is bad at a game doesn’t mean that everyone else is cheating. Maybe if he spent a little time in the mists and learned a few classes he wouldn’t be so bad at his class and at least give some of us a little challenge.

I can only go by the screenshot you posted…in which it appears you msged him first.

You made and assumption. It was incorrect. In the future you may want to refrain from doing so. If you do at least have the sense to apologize for doing so, heck even a ‘my bad’ would suffice. Unless of course your ego gets in the way.

Rofl, He made a post talking crap about SBI, provided only a screenshot of him crying..I’m not going to just take is word on it either…Far as i’m concerned, he’s still the one who started the conversation.

In the future you might want to ask your buddy to backup things he claims with actual screenshots of things.

First, you have a very interesting definition of crying. All I was doing was explaining to this thief that there are evades built into my skills because he initially invited me to a party and was QQing that I was glitching, second, how did I get the guys name to whisper him if he didn’t party invite me, did I use my ESP?(Although if I had ESP, I guess it would explain how I evades 90% of this newbies attacks and why he was raging in the first place.)

I did run into a warrior later who was extremely well mannered and respectful from SBI, nothing but respect for that guy. The thing is, there are some decent mannered players I have come across from SBI, they just seem fewer and further between.

If your server is upset/angry because of it’s performance, it is hardly the other two servers faults in the match up. What you need to understand in general is that I could care less if any server has players that act like children and go emote happy, or rage, just don’t come on here and say that other servers do it and then be the server that does it more than ANY server we have faced in the past. (I’m referring to the post about /laugh /sit made by an SBI player earlier in this thread.) In reality, I’m all for 5-10 people sitting around and emoting their backsides off at a solo player, because while they are doing that, they are losing everything around them, so them wasting time actually hurts their team.

A. you obviously have the original screenshot, why not post it?

B. Upset about server performance? Anyone upset how the servers are performing clearly don’t understand how the rating system works.

C. I’ve seen kittennozzles on all servers, including yours…. Don’t act like SBI is somehow different.

The only thing edited out on the screenshot was the names, which has to be done due to how the forums work(no names). Other than that, what would the full picture show you aside from some sweet graphics and the same chat box? I switched to a different tab to keep the full context of the /w without all the extra chatter, it also dropped the /p chat, which is really inconsequential moaning by an SBI thief. . wait a second, you aren’t a thief are you? Have I killed you in passing? Something tells me there is more than meets the eye here…

I’m not the thief, and I find your excuses on not posting the screenshot rather suspect.

Shanks R Us.2489:

Gothahm.6274:

Xsorus.2507:

Shanks R Us.2489:

Xsorus.2507:

Shanks R Us.2489:

Xsorus.2507:

only thing i dislike about the matchup so far is the complete lack of solo people running around.

I’ll get them occasionally but they’re interrupted very quickly by people on opposing side or my side.

Makes filming videos incredibly hard.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ruySfKMqzEc

I started a requirement for videos I did on the last one I did

They must have food buffs, unless there is more then 1.

Underlveled people don’t make it in the video either unless they’re with an 80

I actually re-watched my video, and I only included a single, short clip of me 1v1ing an under-leveled person.

I make a habit to delete any clips where friendlies outnumber the enemy, so every kill in the video, except 1, is:

-A 1v1
-An outmanned solo fight
-An outmanned team fight
-I believe there is a single team fight where we have even numbers

So, in lieu of this, I don’t feel too bad about it.

Its not a bad video, cept for the quality, was just pointing out things you might want to include in future videos

trust me when I say people will kitten to high heavens about people without food.

Yea I agree…I started watching the video but I’m too spoiled with my HD sorry. I’m sure it was a great movie. From what I could tell from the beginning though…you’re most likely a good engy. I’m also sure this was more about pointing out that you can still get some solo action so kudos to you!

Sorry about that guys. Next time I’ll definitely take the extra time to upload in 1080!

Edit:

I’ll actually just re-upload this one in 1080. I’ll update this post with the new link.

Edit 2:

Here’s the new vid link, in 1080p.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ic50gGNbQ3s

Oh nice, i’ll watch it again

Dovgan.8605:

Xsorus.2507:

Kodiack.2783:

Xsorus.2507:

Dovgan.8605:

Xsorus.2507:

Dovgan.8605:

Man, the more I play folks from SBI the more I realize how angry and sad they are. Thief jumps me while fighting 6 krait, so I disengage the krait, because that just makes sense. He can’t kill me alone, but luckily he runs into several of his server mates. Happens, that’s WvW. Then I get this … Sorry that a thief couldn’t just insta gib me, really, sorry it took a 3 on one to finally get me down. But before you get all uppity, learn what a build can do, and don’t qq to me in a whisper then block me because you are inept at your class, and don’t understand mine.

Ehh, from what I can tell, you got zerged then msged him first?

Don’t do that…. never do that in a game…

Not only does it seem sad, you’ll never get a good msg back from the person you’re crying to.

Actually he invited me into a group. I never decline invites, then continued to talk in whispers until he blocked me. And the extent of what I said was what you see in the chat window because he seemed to think that evades were somehow glitches or hacks, and anyone who plays this game knows there are skills that evade if they are used correctly. The whisper you see is the first message I sent after he invited me, claimed I was glitching and broke group.

So I neither messaged this guy first, or said anything aside from what you see there.

Just because he is bad at a game doesn’t mean that everyone else is cheating. Maybe if he spent a little time in the mists and learned a few classes he wouldn’t be so bad at his class and at least give some of us a little challenge.

I can only go by the screenshot you posted…in which it appears you msged him first.

You made and assumption. It was incorrect. In the future you may want to refrain from doing so. If you do at least have the sense to apologize for doing so, heck even a ‘my bad’ would suffice. Unless of course your ego gets in the way.

Rofl, He made a post talking crap about SBI, provided only a screenshot of him crying..I’m not going to just take is word on it either…Far as i’m concerned, he’s still the one who started the conversation.

In the future you might want to ask your buddy to backup things he claims with actual screenshots of things.

First, you have a very interesting definition of crying. All I was doing was explaining to this thief that there are evades built into my skills because he initially invited me to a party and was QQing that I was glitching, second, how did I get the guys name to whisper him if he didn’t party invite me, did I use my ESP?(Although if I had ESP, I guess it would explain how I evades 90% of this newbies attacks and why he was raging in the first place.)

I did run into a warrior later who was extremely well mannered and respectful from SBI, nothing but respect for that guy. The thing is, there are some decent mannered players I have come across from SBI, they just seem fewer and further between.

If your server is upset/angry because of it’s performance, it is hardly the other two servers faults in the match up. What you need to understand in general is that I could care less if any server has players that act like children and go emote happy, or rage, just don’t come on here and say that other servers do it and then be the server that does it more than ANY server we have faced in the past. (I’m referring to the post about /laugh /sit made by an SBI player earlier in this thread.) In reality, I’m all for 5-10 people sitting around and emoting their backsides off at a solo player, because while they are doing that, they are losing everything around them, so them wasting time actually hurts their team.

A. you obviously have the original screenshot, why not post it?

B. Upset about server performance? Anyone upset how the servers are performing clearly don’t understand how the rating system works.

C. I’ve seen kittennozzles on all servers, including yours…. Don’t act like SBI is somehow different.

Quarktastic.1027:

Xsorus.2507:

Its not redundant because EB transfers the conditions to your pet.

SoR will remove one of those from your pet, which could be a high stack of bleed, but more important, removing Chill or Cripple from him

Signet of renewal’s passive effect does not remove conditions from your pet. Unless this was changed in a recent update.

yea it does

Last I checked it did

Unless they’ve changed it here recently, its always removed conditions from your pet

edit

Just tested it again, and it still does remove the condition from the pet

Shanks R Us.2489:

Xsorus.2507:

Shanks R Us.2489:

Xsorus.2507:

only thing i dislike about the matchup so far is the complete lack of solo people running around.

I’ll get them occasionally but they’re interrupted very quickly by people on opposing side or my side.

Makes filming videos incredibly hard.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ruySfKMqzEc

I started a requirement for videos I did on the last one I did

They must have food buffs, unless there is more then 1.

Underlveled people don’t make it in the video either unless they’re with an 80

I actually re-watched my video, and I only included a single, short clip of me 1v1ing an under-leveled person.

I make a habit to delete any clips where friendlies outnumber the enemy, so every kill in the video, except 1, is:

-A 1v1
-An outmanned solo fight
-An outmanned team fight
-I believe there is a single team fight where we have even numbers

So, in lieu of this, I don’t feel too bad about it.

Its not a bad video, cept for the quality, was just pointing out things you might want to include in future videos

trust me when I say people will kitten to high heavens about people without food.

Kodiack.2783:

Xsorus.2507:

Dovgan.8605:

Xsorus.2507:

Dovgan.8605:

Man, the more I play folks from SBI the more I realize how angry and sad they are. Thief jumps me while fighting 6 krait, so I disengage the krait, because that just makes sense. He can’t kill me alone, but luckily he runs into several of his server mates. Happens, that’s WvW. Then I get this … Sorry that a thief couldn’t just insta gib me, really, sorry it took a 3 on one to finally get me down. But before you get all uppity, learn what a build can do, and don’t qq to me in a whisper then block me because you are inept at your class, and don’t understand mine.

Ehh, from what I can tell, you got zerged then msged him first?

Don’t do that…. never do that in a game…

Not only does it seem sad, you’ll never get a good msg back from the person you’re crying to.

Actually he invited me into a group. I never decline invites, then continued to talk in whispers until he blocked me. And the extent of what I said was what you see in the chat window because he seemed to think that evades were somehow glitches or hacks, and anyone who plays this game knows there are skills that evade if they are used correctly. The whisper you see is the first message I sent after he invited me, claimed I was glitching and broke group.

So I neither messaged this guy first, or said anything aside from what you see there.

Just because he is bad at a game doesn’t mean that everyone else is cheating. Maybe if he spent a little time in the mists and learned a few classes he wouldn’t be so bad at his class and at least give some of us a little challenge.

I can only go by the screenshot you posted…in which it appears you msged him first.

You made and assumption. It was incorrect. In the future you may want to refrain from doing so. If you do at least have the sense to apologize for doing so, heck even a ‘my bad’ would suffice. Unless of course your ego gets in the way.

Rofl, He made a post talking crap about SBI, provided only a screenshot of him crying..I’m not going to just take is word on it either…Far as i’m concerned, he’s still the one who started the conversation.

In the future you might want to ask your buddy to backup things he claims with actual screenshots of things.

Dovgan.8605:

Xsorus.2507:

Dovgan.8605:

Man, the more I play folks from SBI the more I realize how angry and sad they are. Thief jumps me while fighting 6 krait, so I disengage the krait, because that just makes sense. He can’t kill me alone, but luckily he runs into several of his server mates. Happens, that’s WvW. Then I get this … Sorry that a thief couldn’t just insta gib me, really, sorry it took a 3 on one to finally get me down. But before you get all uppity, learn what a build can do, and don’t qq to me in a whisper then block me because you are inept at your class, and don’t understand mine.

Ehh, from what I can tell, you got zerged then msged him first?

Don’t do that…. never do that in a game…

Not only does it seem sad, you’ll never get a good msg back from the person you’re crying to.

Actually he invited me into a group. I never decline invites, then continued to talk in whispers until he blocked me. And the extent of what I said was what you see in the chat window because he seemed to think that evades were somehow glitches or hacks, and anyone who plays this game knows there are skills that evade if they are used correctly. The whisper you see is the first message I sent after he invited me, claimed I was glitching and broke group.

So I neither messaged this guy first, or said anything aside from what you see there.

Just because he is bad at a game doesn’t mean that everyone else is cheating. Maybe if he spent a little time in the mists and learned a few classes he wouldn’t be so bad at his class and at least give some of us a little challenge.

I can only go by the screenshot you posted…in which it appears you msged him first.

K tested it on SPvP, Quickening Zypher feels its giving just as fast as stomp as warrior (though warrior does feel slightly faster, it could just be a visual thing)

However the pet swap quickness doesn’t feel like its working…The animation is faster yes, but the actual stomp time appears to be the same.

i’ll check it out in spvp

Dovgan.8605:

Man, the more I play folks from SBI the more I realize how angry and sad they are. Thief jumps me while fighting 6 krait, so I disengage the krait, because that just makes sense. He can’t kill me alone, but luckily he runs into several of his server mates. Happens, that’s WvW. Then I get this … Sorry that a thief couldn’t just insta gib me, really, sorry it took a 3 on one to finally get me down. But before you get all uppity, learn what a build can do, and don’t qq to me in a whisper then block me because you are inept at your class, and don’t understand mine.

Ehh, from what I can tell, you got zerged then msged him first?

Don’t do that…. never do that in a game…

Not only does it seem sad, you’ll never get a good msg back from the person you’re crying to.

Shanks R Us.2489:

Xsorus.2507:

Shanks R Us.2489:

Xsorus.2507:

only thing i dislike about the matchup so far is the complete lack of solo people running around.

I’ll get them occasionally but they’re interrupted very quickly by people on opposing side or my side.

Makes filming videos incredibly hard.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ruySfKMqzEc

I started a requirement for videos I did on the last one I did

They must have food buffs, unless there is more then 1.

Underlveled people don’t make it in the video either unless they’re with an 80

I’ll take that into consideration for the next one. I’ll probably take out any 1v1’s that aren’t 80 for sure.

The sub 80s ya, never include them in a video for a 1v1… you’ll catch a lot of flack on that..

Only include them if an 80 is present with them.

As for the Food rule i’m using now, that preference on the person filming…..A ton of people give me crap for past videos because the people in it wouldn’t have food..So i just decided to stop including people I see without any of them.

It cuts down on the amount of people I can film though a crap ton… then you get the zergs ect ect….people ajing your fight (which is happens alot, and i’m talking about people on my side…that annoys the kitten out of me more then anything)

Shanks R Us.2489:

Xsorus.2507:

only thing i dislike about the matchup so far is the complete lack of solo people running around.

I’ll get them occasionally but they’re interrupted very quickly by people on opposing side or my side.

Makes filming videos incredibly hard.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ruySfKMqzEc

I started a requirement for videos I did on the last one I did

They must have food buffs, unless there is more then 1.

Underlveled people don’t make it in the video either unless they’re with an 80

only thing i dislike about the matchup so far is the complete lack of solo people running around.

I’ll get them occasionally but they’re interrupted very quickly by people on opposing side or my side.

Makes filming videos incredibly hard.

Its not redundant because EB transfers the conditions to your pet.

SoR will remove one of those from your pet, which could be a high stack of bleed, but more important, removing Chill or Cripple from him

Oh I get what he’s talking about now..

Yea you’ll finish the stomp and then the actual person will stomp a bit later, Its always done that I think

Flock is the one that gives buffs to people around you right?

I honestly don’t think it has ever worked..

It didn’t work many months ago when I tried it.

I could of swore I read someone else was having this problem, It may of been you though that I read it from..

i honestly wouldn’t be surprised, they were screwing with rangers or something on test server it seems

eldain stenlund.4306:

Here is the gear iam using.. and the gear i have been 3 hitted in.
I whould think that 2.5 k armor + 20 k hp, whould be enough…
(edit: it only look like 18.9k on stats. but its actually 19.8 on life bottle/screen).

But it seems that Armor classes in this game are just cosmetics.
I have like 600 – 800 more armor than my elemental, wich is using light…
Now thats just plain weird.

Maybe i live in a different reality…
But i honestly think that heavy metal armors should protect a hell of a lot more than cloth.

in GW2:
my Heavy, metal armor.
is helping to protect me the same as if i whould use recycled toilettpaper…
it doesnt seem to help for schit…

Who does the whole tought processing at A-net ??
Who ever it is, he/she must live in a very very very strange reality.

Just on a side note:
My 1 hand weapons, do the same dmg as my BIG kitten sword and super sledge hammer…???
In my reality, people made BIG 2 handed weapons to inflict a TON more dmg per swing…
My test against lvl 80 wolves. found in wvw. iam traited for rifle. nothing else.
my 1 hand axe. auto crits = 1.800-2.400.
my 2 hand great sword. auto crits = 1.400 – 2.000 umm… wtf… its less… ?? !! ???
my 2 hand hammer. auto crits = 2.400 – 3.100. now we are atleast on the right way…

you have 1200 toughness

less then 2500 armor..

that is why you’re getting hit hard.

Don’t get me wrong, berserker thieves are going to hit you hard…But you’re getting crushed because you’re glass cannon just the same.

You need to get off the notion that just because you’re in heavy armor..It means you’re impossible to kill

jalmari.3906:

I was going to say l2p but…

Actually necromancer minions are pretty horrible.

1) You cannot give them commands so there’s a good chance they don’t do anything useful at all. Like for example just stand there while thief stabs you to death.
2) Jagged horror olol. Summon AFTER battle. Very useful. I could not live without. At least it doesn’t give rally anymore.
3) Rather long CD compared to how fast they die to random aoe.

You cannot really compare ranger or mesmer here.

Ranger pet is very survivable, my pets rarely die even in like 50vs50 in wvw. And even if they die they keep wandering around just to annoy ppl.

Mesmer keeps constantly summoning new ones with very little cooldown and then explodes them to kill your pathetic necromantic abominations.

Only one which comes to even close being as pathetic as MM is guardian with spirit weapons.

Flesh golem is ok in small fights because it regenerates but even then usually dies to random clone shatter. or whatsoever. And then you’re without that extra cc and dps pretty fast. And die horribly.

That said I am not sure if MM should be viable in zergs, but it isn’t so much viable for anything else either except maybe spvp and pve.

I wish I could even F1 attack and F2 return to me my flesh golem when playing necro.

Ranger pets will die very easily in zerg fights, and they don’t wander around when dead either, they limp back to you..

While necro minions dying sucks, they’re actually just utilities really…They’re not actually nerfing your damage for having them like they do the ranger.

Our damage was specifically nerfed in beta because we had access to the Ranger pet.

Terrahero.9358:

Lopez.7369:

Yes. Either vigor needs to be nerfed or access to vigor needs to be nerfed. Rangers and thieves in particular completely trivialize dodging, with non-necromancer classes not too far behind.

Its rather that these two professions have access to a range of abilities that also cause Evade. For example, Pistol Whip. While the flurry is going the Thief will evade attacks. And he has a bunch more abilities like that on various weapons. Same goes for the Ranger.

This is two professions having access to far above normal amounts of Evasion. Argue wether or not its balanced, but this isnt an issue of regular dodging or vigor.

If a Pistol Whip thief is giving you trouble… its you man.. its you….

TheMightyAltroll.3485:

Geff.1930:

stof.9341:

Geff.1930:

Here is how to counter dodge build:

Roll a cheese condition damage build that just lays down condition damage AoEs. Condition damage cannot be dodged/missed/blocked/avoided from invulnerable status/avoided due to line of sight. GG.

If you recall this is supposed to be a skill based esport game. /rolleyes

You can dodge conditions. It’s very easy, you just need to dodge the attack that applies the bleed/burn/poison.

That would have been a good point if most sources of conditions were not no-CD auto attacks or persistent ground AoEs.

The fact is that condition damage specs are the only viable specs right now because there are so many ways to counter/avoid direct damage.

If condition damage did not do the ridiculous amount of damage it does now nothing would die. It has gotten to this state because of a fundamental flaw within the game. That is that there are no skillshots in this game, as a result high direct damage leads to QQ (eg. Oh no! Eviscerate does too much damage! Heartseaker does too much damage!). What people don’t realize is that a 10 stack bleed or a high condition build burn does more damage than eviscerate in the same amount of time it takes for eviscerate to land. Ofcourse, they don’t see the big numbers on screen and therefore do not QQ.

Speaking of which, I QQ all the time about conditions being too easy to apply by most classes. There is no way in hell a Ranger should be able to stack 25 stacks of bleed in under 5 seconds just using a Ranged Autoattack WHILE having burn (the most overpowered condition in the game imo), when a Necromancer can’t even come close to 25 bleeds popping every single one of his utilities/weapon skills (and then it gets cleansed). It’s incredibly unbalanced when you really look at it.

I realized how truly strong conditions were on specific classes a long time ago when I found out why I couldn’t run an extreme glass cannon relying entirely on skill to avoid physical damage.

The only way to stack 25 bleed stacks on a Ranger in under 5 seconds is to rely on your pet for some of those bleeds..

which will tic for 60 at most.

The damage of the shots did not change, it was the rate at which the shots happened

Sweet, its not a nerf, they were actually screwing with the Thief Version it seems

edit

Then again, He didn’t say what was being fixed ;o)

Lordrosicky.5813:

So what people are starting to realise is that:

1, Dodging is awesome. It makes you invulnerable.
2, Vigor is AMAZING – more dodges = more invulnerablity and it turns out invuln is pretty good. – double the up time on being invulnable with this boon seems good right?
3, Turns out weapon skills which do damage AND evade attacks are pretty good as well. You know, being invulnerable is pretty good. Espicially when these skills have low/no cd.
4, Turns out that getting basically 2 seconds of invuln on weapon swap is good too. Amazing to think this!
5, Turns out when you stack perma vigor with endurance on weapon swap and evasion attack skills then you have a build which is really lame to fight against.

So now players have realised that should be about 6 months till anet realise and 6 more months till some minor patch. Ever wonder why this game is so dead pvp wise? Nobody watches it and nobody plays it. Fighting against thieves and rangers with 50%+ evade up time turns out it isn’t fun. Wow. Who woulda thought it.

Balance is one thing, having frustrating and lame game mechanics is entirely another. I am sure some players have fun on their powerful builds evading ALL attacks but turns out this isn’t fun to fight against. Lame game mechanics kill games 100x faster than balance does. Because if a game isn’t fun then people aren’t going to stick around. And let’s be honest, the little balance issues can be ignored if the game is fun akittens core. Perma-evasion isn’t fun. Especially when they kill you whilst perma evading – which they can because thieves/ranger pets still hit hard.

I am not saying s/d thieves or bm rangers are OP. That doesn’t matter. I AM saying they aren’t fun in the slightest to fight against. The amount of evasion you get with perma vigor, energy sigils and evasion attacks is absurd. Energy sigils are the least important of these.

O but they intend to buff weakness so more people use it? Well necros wont. The necro skill for weakness is very poor and slow to hit. Also the small issue of having to hit a perma evading class (who all have condi cleanse too btw) to put the weakness on them.

Then there is the laughable necro GM trait which gives a tiny amount of weakness when you crit. The crit chance is only 25% (lol) AND most crucially any condition necro who would benefit from this has weapons with awful rates of fire. I worked out weakness up time (with no cleanses) would still be not alot.

tl;dr – Perma evasion isn’t fun. But don’t expect any changes soon. This game is fail

I imagine if you were winning the fight you wouldn’t be having a problem with evasion.

But I do find it hilarious you think this game does poorly in terms of viewers and people playing based entirely on Evasion of the Ranger (which wasn’t used for a very long time in TPvP) and Thieves, which only just recently got buffs to S/D which caused them to really start using that ability that allowed Evasion……But yes.. That must be why its doing so poorly grin

Just come out and say what you’re wanting to say..You’re a Necro, you lost to a Thief and/or Ranger in a 1v1, and its time to cry about it.

its broken on both now though

Trejgon they broke it in the Dragon Bash patch…not the one where they were messing with the Axe Talents.

It worked just a few days ago just fine..

Use a Greatsword, and Spam the 1 key