If engineers are not reapplying conditions more often than every 48-60 seconds, you face terrible engineers.
Ranger condi removal doesn’t hold a candle to thief, ele, or guardian condi removal.
Thief removal is pretty abysmal dude, they have their heal, and that’s about the end of the list, don’t forget that we have healing spring which removes a condi every 3s for 15s, and the trait that removes 3 condis every 10s, and then we have TONS of regen to counteract them as well.
As for ele and guardian, they’re kinda supposed to be good at it, so idk why you think we should be on par with them, i’d say you’d better off be saying Necro, Ele, or Guardian, not thief, they’re pretty horrendous at removing them, i should know, i play a condi mes and engi it’s funny watching them squirm.
Thieves remove conditions with their heal and every time they enter stealth and every 3 seconds they remain in stealth. For every BP-HS combo they do they wipe off conditions. Shadowstep removes 3 conditions alongside being a double stun break.
Shadow step also has a 50s CD, and what causes them to lose a condi every time they enter stealth? I know about the 3s in stealth one.
That being said they’re still not -that- great at condi removal, they certainly can’t keep up with any of my condi profs and end up with a flag through their chest.
shrugs Rangers just seem like they’re much better at going against condis then thieves, especially seeing as how we don’t have the lowest possible health in the game, and as i said we actually have tons of health regen that mitigates a lot of what the condis can do.
OK, so you’re just ignorant.
The trait that removes a condition every 3 seconds in stealth is one of the many instances of an erroneous tooltip.
The actual trait works by starting the condition removal count the moment you enter stealth, and then 3 seconds after that.
Every time you trigger stealth, you remove a condition. This includes using blast fields like Black Powder with Heartseeker, or using Blinding Powder, or using Shadow Refuge, or even using your stealth heal (the stealth heal will basically work by removing a condition from the trait, PLUS it removes all DoT conditions on top of it).
So between that and Shadow Rejuvenation, the thief can keep himself up and clean. If he’s fighting you as a ranger in particular, he gets further condition removal from his steal utility.
Obviously they should fix the trait so it actually removes only conditions AFTER every 3 seconds you have been in stealth, but that’s not how it’s functioning at the moment, and thus the engineer is the only class that has enough sustained condition application, and aoe on top of it all, to keep any thief with shadow arts spec with conditions.
HGH engineers are really the only condition spec that can kill a shadow arts D/P thief, and to counter that a thief can just run S/D as if you’ve been paying attention to Teldo’s Engineer play it is S/D spammable boon steal and high sustained that has given him trouble.
The only aspect where a thief truly suffers is in a teamfight, and that’s not unique to them considering anyone who’s not a bunker spec or not a mesmer/thief GC spec dies in mere seconds within a team fight. It’s why you don’t see necromancers or GC warriors or GC rangers or GC engineers or GC guardians. Because anyone that doesn’t have myriad teleports/stealth target dropping and several stunbreakers dies immediately as a GC spec.
And other GC specs can’t exist so long as D/P and mesmers exist because they will gib the crap out of you and your burst sequences are much more complex to pull off, have higher cd’s to activate, and the thief/mesmer have more resets/counters to that burst than you can throw at the while gibbing you themselves.
GC spec that isn’t another thief or mesmer is easy pickings for thief and mesmer simply because they have mechanics where they don’t pay nearly the same amount for making mistakes that other classes do.
