What build are you guys using runes of the forge on.
I’ve not got them, but when I do run in SPvP i tend to use them over melandru.
It’ll just be my regular BM Bunker build, though right now i run 10 skirmishing I might switch back to 10 Natures for its Protection also (plus it’ll bump me to 30% protection duration)
You’re pretty good with math, Maybe you could give me an idea on that..
Also you think i’d be better off putting it on Reyna’s or Apothecary Armor?
Forge runes for condi build? Im not a fan of giving up Regen TBH.
Its been a while since i’ve done the Dwyana Runes, i’m going to give them a try again on my old apothecary armor set (going to remove the Nightmare runes since I no longer rune the rare veggie pizza)
Will run those till I get Forge Runes I think.
11 Second Chill is always awesome
Its 11 Seconds it looks like.
From the golems I just tested, that is..
its 50% bonus
Its 50% bonus not 10%
Fura whats the duration of the chill on the SL leap with the 50% duration bonus?
Healing Power is very powerful on thieves…
The stealth heal talent gets a lot from it, Throw in easy access to Regen boon and House Stealth and you have a lot of healing you can do.
I know while stealth I’m getting close to 800 HPS
I’ve been using Snow Leopard more often now as well cause of that chill, ever since they did that post showing how it stays on enemies.
It’d be your spec which is why.
Most likely you won’t hit 1k Condition damage as you don’t generally go the last line 30 points.
However Shadow Arts should give you over 1k Healing Power and 1800 Toughness (I’m assuming you’re not putting any toughness runes on your actual armor)
What build are you guys using runes of the forge on.
I’ve not got them, but when I do run in SPvP i tend to use them over melandru.
It’ll just be my regular BM Bunker build, though right now i run 10 skirmishing I might switch back to 10 Natures for its Protection also (plus it’ll bump me to 30% protection duration)
You’re pretty good with math, Maybe you could give me an idea on that..
Also you think i’d be better off putting it on Reyna’s or Apothecary Armor?
Most defense’s in this game will fail unless the attacker doesn’t vastly outnumber the defender…If its equal numbers you can win, but if the attacker has a metric ton more then you, nothing you can do…all it takes is one mesmer getting by your “line” and they can port in a large number of people to take out any Arrow Carts you have..Once the Arrow Carts go, you go…
Then you get into the whole upgrading stuff is pointless when one side has massive numbers of players all night vs only half the time, Meaning they’ll just take everything during the night when you don’t have enough defense.
I run P/D with this setup somewhat like that..
I don’t recommend full Apothecary Though, you have LOW hp as a thief.
mix it with Reyna’s/Settlers and use Gearbore(dagger equiv) for weapons.
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Oh, by the way, I don’t recommend it completely mainly cause while P/D is awesome against a lot of classes, It is absolutely dog against S/D and D/P thieves, which there is a metric ton of in WvW right now.
I have 0 problems with thiefs.
Maybe you are doing something horribly wrong.
Try some defense, lighting reflexes etc. pp.I only use powerbuilds, but against thies entangle is super fun because you can hit them stealthed ;-)
Entangle is a lottery. Most thieves will evade or get rid of the immobilize while in stealth. I have 26k hp, lots of armour etc. but … no wait, i tell you how i kill 95% of rangers as a thief and you tell me how to counter that as a ranger, ok?
1. Unload (= 4-5k dmg)
2. Unload (= 4-5k dmg)
3. Stealth with blinding powder
4. Sneak attack (=3-4k dmg +conditions)
5. Unload (= 4-5k dmg)
6. Black powder (4 sec blindess)
7. Unload (= 4-5k dmg)
8. Stealth with Hide in Shadows (if needed)
9. Sneak attack (= 3-4k dmg +conditions)
10. Unload ….
in most cases this is it. If needed repeat 8-10 once again.Yes, a ranger can use lighting reflexes to run away, but he won’t kill me as long as i keep spamming black powder.
Really, i love playing ranger and hate thives, but no ranger even was close to winning when i used this tactic in 1vs1.
Rofl…..Were these rangers using bears by chance?
Drops in Southsun..
Fairly often no less, I can farm for an hour and usually get 2 pieces.
I’d just buy it though, its dirt cheap
To everyone who says it’s “all about numbers,” I advise you to check out the YouTube channel of RaggokOozo. Here’s his latest video, uploaded today and a perfect counterexample to “numbers are all that matters” thinking:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=djeVYpFIqosIn it, he and his team (5-7 players total) take on superior numbers and use coordination & tactics to win the fight. If you don’t want to watch the whole thing, then just skip to 8:50 when the music changes, and watch them take on 20-30 people. They don’t take the farm, but they don’t fold either – and I defy any one of you to say it wouldn’t be a pleasure to be on the smaller side of that fight.
Here’s another video of them cutting off reinforcements to Stonemist by keeping them (mostly) locked up in their garrison. It’s about 10 vs. 40:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sfs-dTf1iGUNotice how they take tactically sound positions, pick their fights, and coordinate with each other. This is what “learn to play” means: these guys know how to play, and while they’re far from invincible, they really kick some serious kittens. Oh, and they’re tier 7, which makes me glad that WvW is getting shuffled up a bit, because we just moved up to tier 6 and I look forward to playing against them some more.
A. They didn’t kill very many people in the fight you pointed out….In fact the few times they were able to kill people most of the zerg had went back to the supply camp. If the zerg had simply pushed over them they would of died.
B. That zerg is actually rather small..But they’re in Tier 7 so I can see why they might think thats impressive…Lets just say that zerg would be outmanned in Tier 4….
I’ve said it before in another thread complaining about the same thing, OP. You entered a PvP game called WORLD vs WORLD, where siege weapons and teamwork is needed to get anything done. If you don’t like the TEAM aspect of a large number of people working together for a common goal (mostly referred to as a “zerg”), then click the crossed swords at the top of your screen, and quit complaining.
World vs World doesn’t imply only Zerg PvP…. its foolish to think it does.
Its simply the Worlds (Servers) vs one another.
All forms of PvP are present in World vs World.
Solo/Smallman/Zerging.
Only one (zerging) has no disadvantage associated with it.
WvW DOES = Zerg fights. The problem is that you seem to think “zergs” are a bad thing. You can demonize the term all you want, but in the end of the day, zergs are nothing more than a large group of people working together towards a common goal. Sorry you hate teamwork in a large scale team-oriented game. There are other PvP options available to you, and I’d suggest you use them.
WvW doesn’t = only Zerg fights..I don’t know how much more I can explain that to you. You can have Zerg fights in WvW, but that’s not all that WvW is designed around, nor should it be. I also don’t think zergs are bad….I do think if you over reward the most skill-less of PvP you end up with what we currently have. Also getting a large group of people together isn’t hard…They not only give you a commander icon, they bloody give you aoe buffs and heals, and allow anyone to res..They also removed the ability for random groups to come back and completely wipe your zerg for not paying attention..You’d crap yourself if you tried to lead a zerg in DAOC..
But yes, using Melandru rune till I get Superior Rune of the Forge
Absolutely, forge are the best runes. The 6th bonus alone justifies the choice (i don’t use burning anyway). Luckily i don’t have to farm for them in spvp…
I love Healing Spring — it’s a very underrated heal vs. TU.
Both are good. It depends on the situation.
Yeap, I’m happy to, I wasn’t aware I could do the dungeons on multiple characters for the 60 tokens, So now i’ll have my Rune of Forge even faster.
Good points, thx.
The trapper build has better AOE though, right? If that’s the case, I could see something like this being superior in typical WvW. Being outnumbered is the norm for solo roaming. Players who are X v. 1 tend to be over confident and will often play recklessly assuming that the kill is inevitable. I think that played to your advantage & strength in many of your fights in that vid.
Kuddos on some outstanding play!
Yeah it does, flame trap is pretty much bonfire on roids. For dueling I would say Bm is better but for general WvW and small group skirmishes trapper is amazing. It also takes camps like a boss (entangle, flame+spike trap and river drake). I usually just pull the whole camp and Aoe, sometimes you don’t even need to heal. Fully upgraded camps are also no sweat solo.
Also I think people see the shortbow and immediately try and get in melee range and train you, which is exactly what you want to land traps on people.
Wonder if you could do Bleed+Frost Trap if you used Torch Offhand with Axe/Torch and Sword/Dagger
That’d be interesting.
I love Healing Spring — it’s a very underrated heal vs. TU. If you’re fighting any build with conditions, its effective healing is much better than TU, and most importantly as a bunker build with renewing vigor for each HS heal tick you get a ton of extra dodges.
I wish poison volley for shortbow was made better and both shortbow and axe auto applied bleeding baseline. Giving the axe auto a bleed would make it a much better aoe condi weapon and give the abysmal autoattack some bite for condi specs.
I’d nut if they gave axe auto a bleed.
I would like a condition for it, but not sure what they could add (though bleed would be incredible)
Yea, currently working on getting the Runes, have decided which set i’ll put them on, Reyna’s or Apothecary.
But yea, I think about 20 seconds before I died in that one fight I realized I was going to lose when I wasn’t able to down you, I saw how long my heal timer was… and I was like “Yeap i’m boned”.
You won’t see very many builds in TPvP besides Traps and Bunkers concerning rangers for a reason.
1. We don’t have the burst of classes like Mesmer’s/Thieves while keeping escapes like they have (Stealth), Because a portion of our damage is tied into our Pet. I mean we can hit hard with Maul against other Berserker Builds, but its no where near the level of Mesmer’s/Thieves.
B. If you’re not capable of doing Burst like other classes while maintaining survivability… You better be able to provide Group Support in some meaningful way. In our case, We had something like that in the Form of Spirits during Beta, but they nerfed that….We have no way to really provide massive number of boons like Engies/Ele’s/Guardians… So we’re left with Conditions and providing Combo Fields…and the two best specs for that are Trap Build and BM Bunker Builds.
lol…you’re not going to take a supply camp as a solo WvW roamer.
This is news to me.
News to me too – I often solo supply camps as do a lot of other people.
Same, I can take them fairly quickly on my ranger
I’ve said it before in another thread complaining about the same thing, OP. You entered a PvP game called WORLD vs WORLD, where siege weapons and teamwork is needed to get anything done. If you don’t like the TEAM aspect of a large number of people working together for a common goal (mostly referred to as a “zerg”), then click the crossed swords at the top of your screen, and quit complaining.
World vs World doesn’t imply only Zerg PvP…. its foolish to think it does.
Its simply the Worlds (Servers) vs one another.
All forms of PvP are present in World vs World.
Solo/Smallman/Zerging.
Only one (zerging) has no disadvantage associated with it.
Warhammer Online had optional pets for both the Squig Herder and the White Lion.
By the way, I have a much better video of you just absolutely taking a dump on me up near the bridge on one of the side borderlands.
Actually I have like 3 of them….
Was wondering what type of armor you were using.
I have to change out to full condition removal just to stand a chance..Was much easier when I could PI you in the face ;o)
But yes, using Melandru rune till I get Superior Rune of the Forge
I’ve been on both the zerging side and the being zerged side.
What I stated is 100% true up above…Zerging is the only tactic in this game that doesn’t have a downside.
There is zero disadvantage to outnumbering your opponent…You’re not slower, you’re a bigger target…nothing..
Now with that said, people who think Anet is going to fix this are kidding themselves..
Instead of rightfully changing some mechanic to give zerging meta a disadvantage, Anet solution is to change the Ranking System completely.
Why are they doing this? To give everyone the opportunity to be the side that gets to Zerg….Its the little league trophy for everyone mentality….
Its also why this game is going to be dumped very quickly when a new PvP MMO comes out…..
Some of you need to take off your rose colored glasses with the DAOC crap. That game had plenty of major problems of its own, I would love to come in here and tell you that Shadowbane had the greatest large scale PvP ever because it was for buildings and cities that took months of peoples work to build and the classes in that game were far far more unique than in any other game. That would be a lie though, SB had SO many problems just like DAOC.
There is NO REASON 8 people should be able to wipe out 20 by using the hilarious CC that was available in that game.
Xsorus, you a little kitten over losing to SoS more skilled players? I hope you are on CD, we love farming you guys.
A. If you got wiped out by 8 people in DAOC with 20 people, It meant you played poorly, That’s really all it came down too… Now I know you’re going to say “They Chain CCed us” but since that lasted a very very small amount of time in DAOC (less then a year at the very start of the game, when there were virtually no 8 mans roaming back then, The 8v8 Meta didn’t really start till after SI) you really shouldn’t of been Chain CCed all that often if you played properly…Now with that said..What most likely happened was you were not panning at all, and got ball mezzed and instantly killed by an 8 man with PBAE, which is what happened 90% of the time when taking Larger numbers with Smaller numbers in that game…..You had a bunch of nubs stacking on one another following the zerg leader and not panning…Thus they died.
B. If you play badly, and like I stated above, that’s playing badly, You should most certainly lose to less people, The game shouldn’t reward you for being a mindless lemming of stupid following around a zerg leader and simply letting you crush better players. DAOC despite its flaws is VASTLY superior in every way to this game…EVERY SINGLE WAY… ..There is nothing done in this game that is better than DAOC..Do not fool yourself into thinking otherwise because this game rewards terrible players more than DAOC. Its not a better game for it….Its what makes this game worse.
C. I don’t play on CD, i play on SBI, and having small manned a large portion of this game, I can say without a day, a vast majority of the CD players I fight are better then the vast majority of SoS players…That’s not to say SoS doesn’t have good players, They do…But when you have more numbers you tend to not develop better PvP skills and instead rely on others to fight for you. This is why you get rolled over fairly hard during prime time when you’re not sitting in a keep. Its also why your side tends to avoid open field fights during Prime Time.
World vs World doesn’t imply Zerg vs Zerg, just like Realm vs Realm didn’t imply it.
All that it simply describes is Worlds fighting against one another via PVP which can range from solo/smallman/zerg fights.
The problem with WvW in this game is really, Zerging is the most rewarding thing in the game, The most skill-less form of PvP is the the most rewarded form. That should never be the case in any PvP MMO.
There are zero disadvantages in this game for having more numbers, Zero….You can move as fast if not faster then smaller numbers, You have more opportunity at heals/buffs/rezzes then smaller numbers, and Since Smaller Numbers have less people, you can hit more % of their zerg with AOE vs them hitting you. I mean really..Zero disadvantage…
This is why the Tier system for WvW ranks is nothing more then a Population chart..Take the Tier i’m in, SoS/CD/SBI…SoS doesn’t win by actually being better… Not by a long shot…In fact they often lose the equal number battles they’re in because They’ve not actually had to get better to defeat people when outnumbered..Instead they win when they just frankly outnumber everyone..which is most of the time.
In DAOC if they were moving their zerg around like Albion did at the time on Merlin server, They would of been slow, and they would of be a prime target for 8mans running around wiping zergs. However you cannot do that in this game, A lot of that has to do with the dumbing down of the game to appease the casual audience..No Healers, Everyone Can Res, AOE caps, ect ect.. ..
And that is the problem World vs World has right now…While the maps are some what interesting..It actually fails pretty hard in its primary goal….I mean the thing it tried to copy DAOC is still vastly superior in almost every way, and a game like Warhammer online which is considered a vast failure by a lot of people is actually a better PvP game then GW2, in both the RVR type system, and hell.. the Scenario System (Most of the Scenario’s in WAR are better then pretty much all of the GW2 ones).
In fact I’d say the only thing GW2 has over WAR at this point would be its 3 Way PvP….but the sheer amount of negatives for everything else just way it in WAR’s favor.
As someone who solo WvW’s a lot….How in the world are you guys not getting Laurels?
Its not hard to do…Its actually much much easier if you bother doing the WvW ones…
Three words – Public Test Realm.
It amazes me that sweeping changes are apparently made without playtesting.
And it amazes me how preachers of the PTRs seems to ignore the fact that they usually don’t help anyway.
PTR’s help…However how much they help is based on the Company that’s running the game.
You’d be amazed how much stuff is reported in these MMO’s to the developers, The developers know its on the Test server, but they go a head and push the patch Live because they think the risk isn’t that bad.
Its not surprising this bug did go live though, They don’t have a large testing community that a PTR server would bring….mainly cause Anet is Cheap..
As much as I would like to “get back” at green, I don’t think this is appropriate. It’s rewarding a losing server for losing. They’re implementing new tier system, maybe this will resolve certain servers always being stuck fighting the same servers weekly.
It’ll resolve that, but it won’t resolve Green always curb stomping the other servers because they have the most population.
That’s all the current system is, a Population Chart.
You could maybe based it off the actual Tier Points..
So if one side is has a higher amount of points, Say 100 Points over the other 2 realms, they get a bigger benefit then if a side has say, 10 points.
if red or blue server take a green objective they get a flat bonus to ppt like when you kill a yak say 5-10 points, and that is for any objective owned by green, making green think harder about capping points which they clearly cannot defend
Oh that’s a good idea. That would certainly make the whole turn the map Green at Night problem less desirable.
As usual this rewards the side with the most population
I think this would go a long way towards pushing on Green servers that generally outnumber the other 2.
Right now its often best for whatever server Green is not attacking to attack the server they currently are as they get points with the least amount of Effort.
However if Red and Blue Servers got say 30% more points for holding something belonging to Green, it might be more beneficial to attack Green more often.
What? ANET fix this fast. No siege? People will have to use their own skills now. Unacceptable. This game mode is ACvAC for a reason.
Yea, that’s great if you’re the side that vastly outnumbers the opposing side, Which wouldn’t be a problem if the AOE cap wasn’t limited to just 5 people..
But since the only way handle large numbers like that is an Arrow cart, the low population realms get screwed as usual.
Sorry to break this to you, but you know – it’s a pet. Not another weapon, but a pet. Why the hell should our pets follow the same rules as a weapon?
‘Thief/ele’, oh yeah, I can see where you’re coming from with your suggestions…
If u compare Ranger pets to other kind of Pets, example Necro Minion or Elementals,Thieves from Thieves Guild.All of other kind of pets either very squishy or bind to have a time limit. Ranger pet is way far more superior than the rest.I don’t say my statement is the fact, IT IS THE FACT.
That’s because all those pets don’t actually make up 30% of that classes damage.
Pets are automated like this because they make up a portion of the Rangers damage, since they’re easy to avoid cause of pathing and telegraphing of attacks. If Ranger pets were just bonus damage I could see the point of peoples whines..But since they make up a good 30% of our damage i don’t think it’d be right to touch them.
Though I do find it quite hilarious that a Build I created in November of 2012 is now causing everyone to whine.
Easy to avoid?
Pets can literally teleport, and when they don’t they will always run faster than you unless you have swiftness or some kind of speed boost…You can try to kite in a circle or try pathing but they are not like mesmer clones…they WILL hit you because they are faster than you.
You can’t just kite them and kill them neither because Return will simply zip them right back to the ranger…regen, rinse and repeat.
Not to mention leash range is pretty much the entire map…which is ridiculous. No mechanic in the game should allow this…1200r is max range for almost everything and that’s how it should be kept.
To defend the status of ranger + pets at this moment is like saying triple cantrip eles pre-nerfs were fair. Sure the build may have existed, but when classes get balanced and nerfed, certain untouched builds will certainly rise up and seem more OP…and this is the current status of rangers.
You have to be fairly close to send your pet in to attack, its probably about 2500 range.
So no, its not the length of the map…and turning around and killing the pet (or making them return to the master) is actually the way you get rid of them unless the ranger is there on you as well.
Pets also don’t teleport on top of you…What is most likely happening is the Jaguar pet is stealthed next to you.
Don’t you think there is a problem with that statement? You’re calling 2500r “fairly close”…That’s 3x the range of most ranged weapons (900r).
To clarify, I don’t mean the pet teleports on top of the enemy to attack, I mean that it teleports back to the ranger via pet swap/return. And once it returns, health regen kicks in and it’s rinse and repeat.
If they want to pet swap/return half way across the map, then the pet SHOULD be following a path back to the ranger, in the same speed as always so that there is a chance to catch it and kill it. That should be the repercussion of sending your pet across the map…right now there is none. But instead, it literally teleports right back to the ranger and there is nothing you can do about it…
2500 Range isn’t half way across the map. Look at 1200 Range, Now double that, that’s almost the range you can send a pet.
As for teleporting back on pet swap..Its always done that…Since forever..Now its magically a problem? If you’re past 2500 range, and you make him swap his pet out, guess what..It goes away… He can’t send it to you again.
The fact that you guys are whining about this is rather hilarious.
Yea it’s always done that, and no it’s not magically now a problem – it’s always been a problem.
Pet leash range is more than 2500r…the fact that a ranger can sit at windmill or mansion and their pet is at clocktower, that’s way longer than 2500r.
Your defense is that since things were there from the start, that they shouldn’t be fixed. Well sorry to break it to you, but lots of mechanics were there from the start, and they were brought out with time and they were fixed.
The only way they’ll get it at clock tower while sitting at Windmill is by using Guard to put it at Clocktower first.
You can’t sit at Windmill and send your pet on someone in the Clock tower, now you might be able to put it on them and half them follow them to the Clocktower, but you cannot just send it there.
I’m sorry you can’t kill the pet beating on you….I didn’t know they handed out wet paper tissue for some builds, but I guess I was wrong.
Most important part of the patch notes for most rangers is Settler’s jewelry dropping..
Its basically Passiflora, but you can buy them for under 2 gold a piece right now
I proposed an Idea a while ago but it is being forgotten somewhere. Anyway, my idea is to scale the Pet Stats with Ranger Stats. Give all the Pet a basic Stats accordingly to the families and their role (ofc lower than what they are now), then give the extra bonus on top scaled with Ranger Stats. This way, a pet of a Bunker Ranger will not hit as hard as a DPS Ranger but a pet of a DPS Ranger will not be as survivable as one of a Bunker Ranger. That way, DPS Rangers will have to think bf sending their Pet chasing the Opponent all the way over the map and the Bunker Rangers will have to think about their pet dams and choose their stats wise. At the moment, since all Pets got the same stats despite the Ranger Stats, Ranger is a Bunker and Pet hit like a DPS, seem a bit off to me….
rofl…how about no…. Our pet is separate from our stats for a reason.
Though I do agree there should be other options besides power/precision pets….Like Condition Based pets.
Pets are automated like this because they make up a portion of the Rangers damage, since they’re easy to avoid cause of pathing and telegraphing of attacks. If Ranger pets were just bonus damage I could see the point of peoples whines..But since they make up a good 30% of our damage i don’t think it’d be right to touch them.
Though I do find it quite hilarious that a Build I created in November of 2012 is now causing everyone to whine.
Easy to avoid?
Pets can literally teleport, and when they don’t they will always run faster than you unless you have swiftness or some kind of speed boost…You can try to kite in a circle or try pathing but they are not like mesmer clones…they WILL hit you because they are faster than you.
You can’t just kite them and kill them neither because Return will simply zip them right back to the ranger…regen, rinse and repeat.
Not to mention leash range is pretty much the entire map…which is ridiculous. No mechanic in the game should allow this…1200r is max range for almost everything and that’s how it should be kept.
To defend the status of ranger + pets at this moment is like saying triple cantrip eles pre-nerfs were fair. Sure the build may have existed, but when classes get balanced and nerfed, certain untouched builds will certainly rise up and seem more OP…and this is the current status of rangers.
You have to be fairly close to send your pet in to attack, its probably about 2500 range.
So no, its not the length of the map…and turning around and killing the pet (or making them return to the master) is actually the way you get rid of them unless the ranger is there on you as well.
Pets also don’t teleport on top of you…What is most likely happening is the Jaguar pet is stealthed next to you.
Don’t you think there is a problem with that statement? You’re calling 2500r “fairly close”…That’s 3x the range of most ranged weapons (900r).
To clarify, I don’t mean the pet teleports on top of the enemy to attack, I mean that it teleports back to the ranger via pet swap/return. And once it returns, health regen kicks in and it’s rinse and repeat.
If they want to pet swap/return half way across the map, then the pet SHOULD be following a path back to the ranger, in the same speed as always so that there is a chance to catch it and kill it. That should be the repercussion of sending your pet across the map…right now there is none. But instead, it literally teleports right back to the ranger and there is nothing you can do about it…
2500 Range isn’t half way across the map. Look at 1200 Range, Now double that, that’s almost the range you can send a pet.
As for teleporting back on pet swap..Its always done that…Since forever..Now its magically a problem? If you’re past 2500 range, and you make him swap his pet out, guess what..It goes away… He can’t send it to you again.
The fact that you guys are whining about this is rather hilarious.
Rofl, I like zerging on the thief usually…But I was bored and felt like getting some gear for fun.
Soloing on the ranger is slow on Ranks.
Chopps, nope…I’m running full Rampagers rofl..
So glassy
Moment of Clarity is actually really powerful as far as talents go.
to be fair, i have seen my pets teleport, but only by following a mesmer through his own portal.
working as intended
edit: kuro is most likely referring to the petswap mechanic.
Will pets follow a Mesmer like that? i never really tested something like that.
Kuro could be correct, as I’ll often do the Sword Leap into someone and swap pets on top of them.
However with how the pets work, They take a good 2 seconds just to get on the target (its what makes that Quickness Swap ability kind of useless, the pet is facing away on swap, and even if you tell him to attack he doesn’t do it right away)
Think i might make a video of me zerging around with this set lol..
Druzilla was right when he talked about Barrage+Sharpening Stones..
However know whats better..
Barrage+Sharpening Stones+Sigil of Earth+that Skirmishing Talent+a STUPID amount of Condition Duration.
Watched my Barrage apply a 12 stack of bleeds to a huge group of enemies lol.
Very few rangers repping organised guilds in wvw at tier 5 and up and there are extremely good reasons for that. If its a choice, for the love of all that’s holy go Mesmer! There exist SOME good rangers but they are few and far between. The large majority either get the pet to tank while they do damage, or tank themselves while the pet does the damage. Both are terrible tactics that may work in pve, but is innefective in wvw. The pet can be a massive liability in wvw and you need to take account of that to be effective.
Depends on what you’re doing in WvW, zerging around, this is correct.
Solo and Small manning, No…..I’ll stomp on Mesmer’s all day long usually.
Pets are automated like this because they make up a portion of the Rangers damage, since they’re easy to avoid cause of pathing and telegraphing of attacks. If Ranger pets were just bonus damage I could see the point of peoples whines..But since they make up a good 30% of our damage i don’t think it’d be right to touch them.
Though I do find it quite hilarious that a Build I created in November of 2012 is now causing everyone to whine.
Easy to avoid?
Pets can literally teleport, and when they don’t they will always run faster than you unless you have swiftness or some kind of speed boost…You can try to kite in a circle or try pathing but they are not like mesmer clones…they WILL hit you because they are faster than you.
You can’t just kite them and kill them neither because Return will simply zip them right back to the ranger…regen, rinse and repeat.
Not to mention leash range is pretty much the entire map…which is ridiculous. No mechanic in the game should allow this…1200r is max range for almost everything and that’s how it should be kept.
To defend the status of ranger + pets at this moment is like saying triple cantrip eles pre-nerfs were fair. Sure the build may have existed, but when classes get balanced and nerfed, certain untouched builds will certainly rise up and seem more OP…and this is the current status of rangers.
You have to be fairly close to send your pet in to attack, its probably about 2500 range.
So no, its not the length of the map…and turning around and killing the pet (or making them return to the master) is actually the way you get rid of them unless the ranger is there on you as well.
Pets also don’t teleport on top of you…What is most likely happening is the Jaguar pet is stealthed next to you.
I’m kinda disappointed at the skill level of your foes. Seriously, does no one use condition damage or even know to kite birds/cats in wvw?
We talk about this all the time. It is unfortunate but a mass percentage of the player base, as with any game, isn’t very skilled. Most of us that are uploading videos on these ranger forums came from DAoC, and were known for soloing and going against the odds for years.
I have literally 20+hours of footage from the past week and there are 3 total fights that end in a draw, everybody else gets facerolled. Thats just the general concensus in any MMO. Anyone who actually is any good will always end up being some sort of stalemate, or nowhere to be found in general.
Yeap, when I wasn’t running with my 8man on Merlin, I spent the vast majority of my time soloing…
Did the same in Warhammer Online as well.
Pets are automated like this because they make up a portion of the Rangers damage, since they’re easy to avoid cause of pathing and telegraphing of attacks. If Ranger pets were just bonus damage I could see the point of peoples whines..But since they make up a good 30% of our damage i don’t think it’d be right to touch them.
Though I do find it quite hilarious that a Build I created in November of 2012 is now causing everyone to whine.
Not trying to derail this thread at all but since Xsorus mentioned it……..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=CbSAtsA7WMM
As a member of BWC when Drutt’s name is mentioned this has to be played lol.
rofl…
wondered if anyone had that still
All I have to say is..
Drutt..
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