Guild Wars 2

Kaiyanwan.8521:

You can nearly double your phantasm DPS in a switch build, how can this just be a “very small benefit”?

Double my phantasm DpS? Do you shatter your phantasms or what? :o

LordByron.8369:

I m using the obvious 10/20/0/25/15 but totally with blade training.
Faster BF is too good to ignore…

Phantasmal haste is nice but not as nice as a 15% damage from phantasms.

I wonder btw it there is any adept trait better than compounding power ._.

Just don’t take the crappy pistol and go in with a real man weapon with chest hair – 2nd sword. The phantasm damage is about the same (calculating combo finisher, bleed, cd, dps), just that it won’t miss an enemy that runs out of range or gets meatshielded by another mob. Also dat block with daze <3

I dunno the cd of all phants but I guess it won’t work for phants like the warden? Still – it’s just one point you maybe can make. So I don’t say “no benefits” anymore, I better say “very small benefits” :P again ^^

I dunno the cd of all phants but I guess it won’t work for phants like the warden? Still – it’s just one point you maybe can make. So I don’t say “no benefits” anymore, I better say “very small benefits” :P

I dunno the cd of all phants but I guess it won’t work for phants like the warden? Still – it’s just one point you maybe can make. So I don’t say “no benefits” anymore, I better say “very small benefits” :P

Wasn’t it 25% faster phantasms and 20% less CD on illusionskills?

To be honest – yes I see very small benefits in those traits.

I’m playing with sigil of battle so I switch weapons every 10-12 sec to keep up my 210 free power.
Therefore only the first phantasm gets affected by 20% less CD to summon, all others have 20 sec CD automaticly. There is also Staff 2, Sword 3 and GS 2 that can be casted faster, but they are anyway castable twice in a rotation especially Sword 3 waiting for Sword 2.

Then there is the + 25% attack speed for phantasms. But it’s at 20 points in illusion. Uhm … if I go 20 in dominion I gain 200 power with results into + 8%~ damage for phantasms and me. Also I got + 17.25% damage for phantasms (+ 2.25% cuz it stacks multiplicative with Illusion 25). Together they math with the +25% attack speed, jsut I benefit more.

Also: another Inspiration passive + vulnerability wich is much more usful for the party than some tiny additional damage from phantasms. And don’t forget condition duration wich also affects vulnerability, cribble and bleed from phantasms.

I have to correct myself – I actually see no benefits in traiting Illusions :s Correct me if I’m wrong – willing to learn.

Probably still staying on my 20/20/0/30/0. I see no benefits for traiting illusions. :/ However still gonna test something like 0/20/0/30/20

So you are buddies? Or what?

Butter.3024:

Xyonon.3987:

No you shouldn’t. But I would do it

I’m confused

I just want to say that I play like this but you don’t have to. I recommend it but you have to figure out what works best for yourself. Everyone is individual

TooBz.3065:

After December 10th its going to be 10/20/0/25/15.

I will never understand why one can spend points in Illusion trait :S It just won’t fit with my playstyle

There is also a disadventage that hasn’t been mentioned yet: The auto attack allways waits for the projectile to hit before the chain continues. Means: melee = faster, range = slower attack speed. The timewarp also just increases the animation, but not the attack speed… It requires a new aa, definitly

Single target damage goes to thief definitly. If it’s a longer boss fight mesmer is next. Otherwise I guess ranger.

Dude … OP talks about PvE … THAT explains a lot xD

No you shouldn’t. But I would do it

[rest in pieces – stupid post] :P

When “dungeons” includes fotm too – definitly 10/30/0/30/0. Also in general reflection beats everything. Or utility in general. As mesmer your damage is secondary. Inspiration trait in my option.

Also I really disklike the pistol, since the sword grants you much more benefits. It does more DpS, it wont miss, it has a piercing line daze, its automaticly traited with 20 points. So I also recommend to go 20/20/0/30/0 if it fits your personal playstyle. See this thread btw:

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/mesmer/New-to-Mesmer-and-GW2-Help-Please/first#post3168284

check out the 4th, 6th and 8th post – all from me

hope i could help ^^ greez

kitten is the censored word in this forum.

So what now? SOMEONE TEST IT ALREADY!!

Well normally I would say “ok gonna test it myself” but since it’s you Pyro, I’m gonna beleve you again learnt something new yay

Yea I wanted to make it with teamspeak cuz it would be much faster xD What ever :P

TRAITS

Dominion:

• 10: +15% Phantasm damage
• 20: either GS traited (against longer ranged fights)
• 20: or cribble on clone death. This is kinda underrated, the cribble stacks fast and is awesome with GS2, Staff2, ScepterAA. Also It will happen, allways, that somewhere a clone dies. The cribble also lasts long enough to be useful and is aoe with a huge ø (same as nullfield, feedback).

Duelling:

• 10: Phantasms have Fury. Must have.
• 20: Traited Sword, Precision, 20% CDR. Affects MH, OH, usful, don’t ask anything, take it, TAKE IT ALREADY!

Inspiration: (now it’s getting interesting)
Choose what you need:

• Feedback on heal (heal downed ppl) with 6sec dura, 10sec cd. Very underrated and insane in fotm
• Focus traited, 20% CDR, reflect skills. Must have, while using Focus.
• Glamour 20% CDR (feedback, nullfield, portal)
• Glamour lasts 2 sec longer (^ but also affects feedback on heal!)
• Remove condition when you heal (will get buffed soon to 2 conditions, just sayin)
• Mantras heal when you charge one (very strong in specific situations. The heal is about 2k AoE 5 ppl)

SUPPORT SKILLS

• Feedback (reflects projectiles, its awesome)
• Nullfield (removes boons (enemy) and conditions (ally))
• Blink (dudt – it’s a blink and a stunbreaker)
• Sigil of Inspiration (awesome to spread might and boons in general)
• Portal (you know it – CoF p1?)
• Mantras in general (if you don’t need the stuff above, choose them. The damaging mantra has no cd, its for healing. While charging another mantra you can use it to deal the missed damage. Don’t underestimate its healing power. You also got AoE stability and AoE 2 condition remove aswell daze (works with dominon 15))

HEAL AND ELITE

• Mantra or Aethernomnom
• Time Warp in general

Try to daze whenever you can, grants 5 stacks vulnerability wich equals to 15-20k damage in a full 5 member team.
Sword 4 can block, but you also can release it earlier to shoot a piercing bold that dazes.
If you interrupt its 8 stacks.
There are other skills that might sometimes be very useful. However they can be hard to use and to understand how they work, like Mimic.
Dont be afraid of testing something: Testing = Expirience = Power!

GREEZ

I don’t think so. Since a power build is able to use the trident aswell, dealing about the same damage (more power, less bleed). The phantasms persist. Also why are you thinking is it impossible to melee with the spear? It deals great damage and has a built in dodge. You don’t have to be long in melee since 2 has a very short cd.

Well maybe we both misunderstood each other a bit.
You think trident needs nerfing? How does it come? Aslong it deals less damage than the spear (even condition to power) it’s balanced. Keep in mind it’s a condition. If there is a 2nd mesmer using the trident your dps falls fast.

Then 20/20/0/30/0 is definitly what you want.

• Supports Sword MH
• Supports Sword OH
• Supports Greatsword
• Supports Focus
• Supports Torch (unusual – elitist play only for minor help in specific situations)
• Supports Staff (passive – Chaosstorm interrupt procs Dom15, iWarlock happytime conditions)
• Supports Pistol if needed (I don’t recommend it. Pisol OR Sword in my build. And since the Pistol is just a weaker version of the Sword OH – don’t touch it, I even use the Scepter more :P btw)
• Supports Scepter (with cloneexplosion → cribble Dom20)
• Supports Glamour Skills (most important for fotm)
• Supports Mantra Skills (very useful if you get used of them)

Overall its perfect to trait like this. You can adapt to almost every situation. I would ask you 2 more things:

• Playing EU?
• Main Language?

Maybe confusion should automaticly tick once if it won’t get procced for 2 sec (PvE only).

A skill that stacks in intensity has no limit of duration. The only limit is the duration of the longest lasting confusion with the highest amount of condition duration. Thats all.

You know the power damage of any skill in the game scales the same? It’s a multiplicative system without base damage…
You don’t have to become angry just because you seem not to understand what I’m talking about. I say a Condition build binds you to the trident, a Power build doesn’t. You can go high dps melee or medium ranged. You can make use of sigil of battle and you can “ignore” your cd’s with swapping. And you also won’t deal less damage with the trident.

wtf 2300 con dmg? o.O If I get up there I’m gonna test it again. Wtf when I tested I had 1k max

Lemme explain: It’s a strong condition weapon compared to other condition weapons. But it’s as useful if you are running power, just that you can make use of the spear too, or the phantasms, or vulnerability.

1. applies bleeds (condition) and gives you vigor and swiftness (boon). I get boons too as power build, there is no difference there.
2. blind does get affected by condition duration wich is in dominon → power. Condition damage has no effect.
3. Retalation is power based but the clone is condition due the bleed but again → boons.
4. Stacks confusion wich lasts just long enough for one attack → 500 normal damage and 2000 confusion? Now as Power build its just reversed: 2000 normal and 500 confusion. Just examples, not real numbers. It’s about to send a message
5. Its broken. It works for the cc but it says 6x damage: “high number”. However it deals just once damage and that damage is approximately 1/6 of the “high number”. → bug

A dps of 2k is weak. Power builds make 4k in general, about 6k in dungeons (no passive damage included (TW, vulnerability etc).

You would forget about “the crappy spear” ? That spear that deals 6k with 2? about 1.5k DpS with 1? Cleave (3 enemies)?? It also has a phantasm with a 1.5k~ dps aswell blink.

It’s not even a DpS of 2k. The confusion often won’t last long enough to be triggered multiple times. But I really wan’t to know how on earth you get 1600 con damage o.O
I once made my con dmg build but I only had 1000. Ultimate bufffood?? :o

• 1 Is power and condition based (75:25~)
• 2 is 100% power based
• 3 is not a damage skill, however it is condition damage if you summon a clone, true
• 4 is power and condition based (depending on enemy, but in general 50:50~)
• 5 is buggy since release and just deals 1/6 of the damage it should … sadly

Wiki is wrong? Wrong with what??

If you have 30 con. damage your single tic will deal 46.5 damage per sec insead of 45 and nothing more. 837 if you count them all together per second. If you would be full con. damage you would have lets say 1000 con.dmg? Makes 95 per tic. Thats 1710 bleeding per sec. With your power damage about 2k. Zerker goes for 810 damage per sec bleeding but phantasms and the spear will actually deal damage. Even the basic attack outdamages you then.

If you are condition damage based your damage relais on the clones and you are kinda unable to use phantasms or the spear.

Bleeding is a nice damage bonus, but I would never ever focus on it.

RedCobra.7693:

The trident is an incredibly strong condi weapon being able to stack so many bleeds is insane, even if you dont spec for condition damage in gear it still is very high.

I have no access to the wiki here but I think the bleed lasts only 1 sec? I might have forgotten the bounce and the crit bleed of the clones. So how many stacks do you keep up? 3 from you, 5 per illusion? … Dang that’s really more than I’ve expected o.O
That’d make 810+0.9 per con.dmg per sec. Still bad but you will do some power damage too and you’ve got other skills …. BUT THEY ARE ALL POWER BASED xD

RedCobra.7693:

oh and if youre trying to auto attack with the spear ive got bad news for you, L2P xD

What was that for?

Sword/Sword + Sword/Focus or Sword/Sword + Greatsword is actually pretty easy and rewarding. You are not forced to keep the weapons once you picked them. Change your weapons as you need to and play both of those I’ve written above. For example Focus is a must have in fotm and sometimes you need GS for safe range (ascalon endboss for example). In the end you will make use of every weapon but Sword, Focus and Greatsword are very solid.

I recommend 20/20/0/30/0. It is definitly the best thing you can do. If you don’t want to trait reflection (wich is not so clever in fotm but stronger in open world) you also can go a full mantra build for highest dps possible for a mesmer: 30/30/0/0/10.

So before I start to wall’o’text: What do you want?

There are also those really fast shooting mages in Orr. They die to it too pretty fast. But 3 mobs out of … 500? It’s much stronger in PvP but in PvE it seems to be just some additional damage, but nothnig you should focus on.

ElQuebecois.4691:

using a staff that can stack 8 confusion at once, i can tell that mobs receive damage by it a lot of times.

You mean scepter right? o.o

It could be a 3 enemies low ø aoe unlike the ther shatters. Keep Dominion 15 in mind: Dazing stacks 5 times vulnerability for 10 sec. <3 Would be nice tough :P

I’m talking to those who adore the spear in this thread. Trident is ok with condition damage since condition damage in sux in general. Even a full condition build will not deal more damage with the bonus damage for bleeding than a zerker with the “weak” auto attack. This is what I want to say.

ElQuebecois.4691:

…. with no condition damage skill….

condition damage condition damage condition damage condition damage

Stop talking about how awesome the spear is – sure zerker mesmer is probably the best underwater fighter. However the OP complains about condition damage underwater.

Speer is 100% direct damage, except the bleeding of illusions. Even the trident is more power viable than with condition damage. To fight with clones seems to be the only way to deal medium damage :/

New dyes?? Never heared of :o

Guys wtf!?

• It’s not about underwater combat with power – OP asks for condition damage underwater!
• Trident got nerfed terrible, you are 100% unable to keep up 25 stacks bleeding. AA grants you 1 stack for 1 sec = 45 bleeding damage (+0.05 per con dmg). stuck at 2-4 stacks …

It’s horrible yes. Some skills need more condition damage underwater. You just can count on your illusions right now (bleed / confusion) and shatter F2.

Also Trident 5 is bugged – deals just one tic damage and not what it should… Since – release T_T

Cake.6498:

whats a reasonable challenge for a full time student (nearing end of year final) just something hard that will force me to get better at the game preferably something i can solo but not something way out of my range like lupi?

solo all the champs. like those in orr (except broodmother – op as kitten xD). pretty fun

Btw just bring the old CA back – or better – upon gaining CA, you recive protection or aegis for the duration. The 4 of staff gives you both.

CA really needs a buff in PvE.

you’re welcome.

Alissah.9281:

Xyonon.3987:

Why are you changing the skill? You are just creating new ones instead of fixing the old:

Mimic

• Absorbs every projectile for 4 seconds.
• You gain stability and block every other attack for the same duration.
• After this you got a charge and may shoot all the skills on a single target you wish.

How to instantly destroy a siege :

1. Make sure you have mimic equipped. (warning: skipping this step will result to possible letal damage to your body)
2. Jump off your safe walls, and once you get hit, activate mimic. (make sure there is an enemy zerg attacking)
3. Just before your channel ends, run through the gate, to safety.
4. Find a spot where you can pew pew the enemy siege, to deal 133333337 damage with echo.

Even if the cooldown was 320, everyone would run Mesmer :P

You just write something because you are bored, don’t you? You could image yourself that there can easy be something like “absorbs 10 projectile, others are blocked”. Or are you really … no

Why are you changing the skill? You are just creating new ones instead of fixing the old:

Mimic

• Absorbs every projectile for 4 seconds.
• You gain stability and block every other attack for the same duration.
• After this you got a charge and may shoot all the skills on a single target you wish.

I’ve read everything exactly up to here and I’m one of those guys who test everything before saying “nono this is so wrong nub nub”

I’ve played 0/20/0/25/25 but only up to frac. lv38. My own build at the moment is 20/20/0/30/0 and I’m pretty happy with it right now. I made a long thread too here where I tried to figure out “my personal best build”.

Back to topic: So, I cannot really accept the point that you say with less phantasm cd you’re gonna have more reflection.
1. If you are switching weapons, and you should (sigil of battle), then you will allways have 20 sec CD on every phantasm, except the first one you create. Less CD is therefore a bit overrated.
2. If you really want more reflection uptime, why don’t you go then 30 in inspiration and trait glamour -20% CD and +25% uptime?
3. The trait “medics feedback” is highly underrated and saves butts since release. It has been buffed to the insane if you ask me, 6 sec reflection (traited with 10 sec CD. It requires a dead person, but I think this won’t be a problem in fractale Also IF there are SO MANY projectiles in fotm (and hell yea there are), then you should be happy to ress everyone without trouble. You also can use npcs.

Also don’t underestimate the damage of dominion 5 and especially 15. Equip a sword offhand, doublecast 4 and see the profit. 5% vulnerability on a boss mob equals to 15-20k damage.

Also: keep in mind to talk friendly and not agressive to each other!

Ross Biddle.2367:

Mimic

30s CD
Breaks stun
Grants 4s Stability
4 second channel, reflects all ranged, blocks all melee. Counts the total number of hits, or blocks, and multiplies that times X (to a maximum of Y) for a single target ranged dps attack Echo effect post channel.

We lack stability options. Manipulations are ripe for having one. Also a zerg friendly option.

this – also fixes the fractale agony abuse

NONONO >.< I like the POOF. Don’t take away my "POOF*
well colour it purple and it firts

so? what do you want to tell me? :o

btw mesmer is one of the less popular classes. 40% are warriors and rangers :s

Korelg try ascalon boots – i guess they will fit MUCH better – looks unique btw

*Blink should be a 2nd time castable for going back where you were before.

*Elite: Mesmerizing Gaze – You and your target are stunned and dazed for 6 sec. If one is able to remove the stun / daze, the other will loos this stat too.

I’m not talking about inspiration, I’m more talking about illusion But yes, if you say it like this – I have to agree with this sentence anyway:
“If you don’t use reflection in fotm as a mesmer – YOU ARE A kitten ” xD

Well why don’t you build then with all those beautiful aoe “when an illusion dies” things <3 ?

Glad to help.

No, the swords still will share their cd, but the sword is the highest dps weapon we got and it has an awesome cleave with an even better passive: vulnerability and removing boons <3 (both cleave too). I know I know, when I heared it furst I tought “WTF Y U NO TAKE 2ND WEAPON NUB” … But I was the nub It’s awesome.

I’m talking about future december patch now → illusion 25 and 15 will be swapped, you don’t need 25 points there anymore:

Inspiration gives you:

• +3%, +6%, +9% damage while having 1,2,3 illusions alive. This damage only affects YOU and NOT your phantasms.
• +25% attack speed for phantasms.
• -20% cooldowns for all skills that summon clones on first cast (so blocks aren’t affected)
• condition damage (bleeding from duelling 15, however 200 condition damage means 55 instead of 45 bleeding tics)

Dominon gives you:

• 15% damage for phantams (17.25% if you got inspiration 25).
• 3 stacks vulnerability if you interrupt an enemy (F3, sword 4, pistol 5, GS 5, staff 5, focus 4, mantra).
• 5 stacks vulnerability if you daze an enemy (F3, sword 4, pistol 5, staff 5, mantra)
• power +200
• condition duration (vulnerability 5/15 last 10 sec, bleeding from duelling 15 (+20% duration))
• traited GS if needed, or cribblemaster (clone death aoe cirbble → also affected again by condition duration)

Do not underestimate +200 power from dominion. Phantasms copy that too and untraited you got about 2150 power. +200 power means +9.3% damage in this case. 9.3% for you and your phantasms, unlike the illusion trait.

Also do not underestimate vulnerability. For example solo a champ: 10 sec of 5% vulnerability (it will stack much higher, just an example what 5% do). You deal about 5k DpS solo. Now 5k * 10 sec * 0.05 = 2500 damage. Thats pretty ok. Now image a full dungeon party with 5 man, everyone dealing ø7k DpS → 7k * 5 * 10 sec * 0.05 = 17’500. So – starting with a clone (sword 3) and shatter it with F3 causes 17’500 damage over 10 sec. Seems pretty ok I guess. Also – it’s just 5% we are talking about. You can give your party a good vulnerability burst up to they carry it themselves at 20~ stacks.

Thats another reason why I go 20/20/0/30/0.