Last night was crazy! So Like my guild was running around in WvW and BAM! Some other guild from another server was there! It was almost like our guilds were at war! I had no idea other their were other guilds in this game, let alone getting to fight one…I for one hope this happens more often!
You forgot: nerf thieves.
Forget thieves, gotta watch out for dolyaks! Walking all slow, moving supply places…they are planning something…the end nigh.
Last night was crazy! So Like my guild was running around in WvW and BAM! Some other guild from another server was there! It was almost like our guilds were at war! I had no idea other their were other guilds in this game, let alone getting to fight one…I for one hope this happens more often!
Why would SoR complain about a 2v1? I’m not going to say there is or isn’t one, I’m not really interested in a endless argument that no one is going to win but if in fact SoR and JQ are in a 2v1 vs BG why would SoR complain about it? Because of it SoR gets a win because JQ can’t. Also notably SoR is being overly defensive on the subject and seems to be desperately trying to convince everyone that there isn’t one. Sound like there is something to hide. If there is, that is…
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irony
Intersting twist, the main question really is, why is BG complaining about 2v1?
I have already said before that this is the most competitive matchup that all 3 servers can have at the moment. Any of the servers can win.
Sometimes you win, sometimes you lose
And don’t you know that life is just a game
That you play, win or lose, it’s all the same .
Well from a spectators point of view if there is enough complaints because of 1 issue, their normally is a reason behind it. It’s quite obvious, based on our servers past, BG would be more inclined to complain over a 2v1 as it seems to be whats happening. I’m not saying there IS one but from BG’s perspective there is which is always up for debate as each server will see the battle differently.
Realistically there is no way to really settle this argument but I would still like to see a BG/SoR/not JQ match to see what happens. Even though that still wouldn’t completely settle the issue.
There is no such rule but there is a majority rule which is SoR and JQ in this case. Realistically that should settle the argument.
Not so much, the negative complaints will normally out way those trying to defend against complaints. In this case SoR and JQ being the main reasoning behind said issue, your say could only be held in the defense of the subject and not the rule over. In the matter of PR, it would be in the servers best interest to decline any allegations of a 2v1 which you are doing now.
Why would SoR complain about a 2v1? I’m not going to say there is or isn’t one, I’m not really interested in a endless argument that no one is going to win but if in fact SoR and JQ are in a 2v1 vs BG why would SoR complain about it? Because of it SoR gets a win because JQ can’t. Also notably SoR is being overly defensive on the subject and seems to be desperately trying to convince everyone that there isn’t one. Sound like there is something to hide. If there is, that is…
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irony
Intersting twist, the main question really is, why is BG complaining about 2v1?
I have already said before that this is the most competitive matchup that all 3 servers can have at the moment. Any of the servers can win.
Sometimes you win, sometimes you lose
And don’t you know that life is just a game
That you play, win or lose, it’s all the same .
Well from a spectators point of view if there is enough complaints because of 1 issue, their normally is a reason behind it. It’s quite obvious, based on our servers past, BG would be more inclined to complain over a 2v1 as it seems to be whats happening. I’m not saying there IS one but from BG’s perspective there is which is always up for debate as each server will see the battle differently.
Realistically there is no way to really settle this argument but I would still like to see a BG/SoR/not JQ match to see what happens. Even though that still wouldn’t completely settle the issue.
Why would SoR complain about a 2v1? I’m not going to say there is or isn’t one, I’m not really interested in a endless argument that no one is going to win but if in fact SoR and JQ are in a 2v1 vs BG why would SoR complain about it? Because of it SoR gets a win because JQ can’t. Also notably SoR is being overly defensive on the subject and seems to be desperately trying to convince everyone that there isn’t one. Sound like there is something to hide. If there is, that is…
After last weeks match up I would have to say DB is the best server for some one to go to. They have some amazing guilds and they are a blast to fight. Honestly I think Agg has to be my favorite guild to fight. I’m hopping DB gets more coverage so next time we fight them its even more intense.
A unreasonable amount of time. Excluding the lucky drops some people get sometimes WvW is not a consistent source for income. I would say I make around 10g a week playing WvW, though I don’t play a lot of hours so I guess you could make more. Sadly I say go farm some PvE for a few days to make your set. Or be lazy and just buy gems
I think it was the right thing not calling out the servers
Says the person who was the first in the thread to name the server…
Hypocrite much?
Not directly, I looked at his past posts and saw that he referred to him self being and TC. I asked him if he is still on TC and he didn’t respond. Neither him or myself called out a server. Just because I asked a question with “TC” in it you assume that’s the correct answer and the server hes referring to.
You can spin it any way you want, you’re still a kitten.
I think it was the right thing not calling out the servers
Says the person who was the first in the thread to name the server…
Hypocrite much?
Not directly, I looked at his past posts and saw that he referred to him self being and TC. I asked him if he is still on TC and he didn’t respond. Neither him or myself called out a server. Just because I asked a question with “TC” in it you assume that’s the correct answer and the server hes referring to.
I hope this newly revitalized BG gets matched up with SOR next week to see what type of coverage the fairweathers can bring you guys.
I hope we get matched up against SOR WITHOUT JQ. Its clear now that JQ without SOR isn’t close to BG score wise (most of the rating we have gained is from them, NOT from DB) because last week the scores were almost dead even, and now we are decimating them.
I think there will be a similar effect if we face SOR without JQ.
It’s hard for me to know to make of this to be honest, other than the possibility that SoR tends to focus BG more than JQ. That can’t be the whole story though. Still, if it’s not JQ, then who? I’m not so sure the end result would change with a different 3rd server. I would be pretty interested in seeing how SoR v BG v TC would play out though.
I think when it is BG/JQ/SoR BG get sandwiched time zone wise. Our strength vs JQ (EU and NA) got cancelled by SoR while our strength against SoR (SEA) got canceled by JQ. It would be interesting how the fight goes against SoR without JQ indeed:)
Actually, just for the record was mostly the other way around for various reasons JQ SEA would focus SoR more than BG. Especially with Waha and Indo keep challenging each other. We can make all kinds of assumptions but the truth is SoR beat BG for 5 weeks in a row fair and square without anybody’s help.
I would agree up to the “without anybody’s help” part. As long as there is a 3rd server they could inadvertently help you, or us.
I can’t speak for SoR and JQ but on BG there are quite a few small groups of people that like running around looking for these types of fights. From my experiences in the “top 3” if I’m lucky enough to find a 1v1/2 it quickly turns into a 1v5+
Also if you happen to come across a random class, there is a good chance they died and are running back to the zerg. If that is the case a lot of people have builds that suit large group play and are quite lacking in 1v1s.
I know what you mean. Since our servers mostly zerg it makes sense to build for zergs. My build is very group oriented, and I have almost no chance in a 1v1, and I’ll try to run off when things start to go bad.. But I’ll still engage just for kicks and giggles. Is it a fear of dying/losing? I promise I’ll /bow if I win (but I ain’t paying for your repair bill).
I would assume the person is more interested in catching up to the group then to fight a 1v1. I know if I die in a big fight I try to get back as fast as possible to help but its all situational I guess.
With the new system, players need to reassess how they look at WvW. Plain and simple. Its no longer about the score for the week. Every week is different. Some weeks your going to need to push for a blowout. Other weeks your going to have to run havocs and grind out every camp flip and yak kill you can. Players should now be focussing on their overall rating rather than their end of week score. Adding any kind of statistical advantage would just warp the ratings and give less accurate matchups. Im completely fine with unbalanced matchups, truth be told. I just transferred to ET and im loving it because I operate best in an outmanned situation. Different weeks are going to call for different tactics from a server and I think it really tests the overall skill level and tactical diversity of a server a little better than the old system. Being matched up against a higher populated server is no big deal. You might lose the week, but you might win overall.
I agree with you but there is a issue for some servers, mainly the top 3 (NA’s case BG/SoR/JQ) for us to gain rating we have to blow out the other servers. In SoR’s case they would have had to double TC’s points and quadruple? (not sure if thats correct amount) SoS’s points to break even. They might have a fun value the first day or two but a whole week isn’t going to be fun for any server involved, including SoR.
I suck at 1v1s. See, look at my signature. But today in DBBL I had several level 80 BG and JQ non-thieves run away from a 1v1 with me. In fact not one engaged in a fight, except thieves. One guardian even jumped off a cliff and died to avoid it. This is not JQ or BG bashing, but I’m starting to wonder if the top 3 server meta has absolutely no place for 1v1 or 2v2 fights!
I can’t speak for SoR and JQ but on BG there are quite a few small groups of people that like running around looking for these types of fights. From my experiences in the “top 3” if I’m lucky enough to find a 1v1/2 it quickly turns into a 1v5+
Also if you happen to come across a random class, there is a good chance they died and are running back to the zerg. If that is the case a lot of people have builds that suit large group play and are quite lacking in 1v1s.
make constantly flipping keeps/towers with each flip have less HP on walls and gates (leading to quicker reflipping) but after some flips the walls and gates have no HP and the NPCs abandon the keep/tower for some time, making it unflippable and basicly a ruin.
in the scenario described above, repairing and holding the keep agains attackers, when already damaged due to a high flip rate, awards a higher ammount of WXP and event rewards.
If its unflippable why would people be attacking it? Also adding a event with a higher WXP rate would just make something new to farm no?
1st: they won’t attacking it, that’s the point.
2nd: I described it badly, I mean of course defending only damaged keeps/towers, due to frequent flipping. And abandoned keep/tower can not be defended or flipped of course.
However, an increased reward for broken keeps might actually lead to more abuse, you are right. Making 2 servers quickflip a fortification and then one earns the extended defense rewards, so that actually might be a bad idea…
Honestly I think they need to increase the rewards for defending allowing more WXP/XP ect per repel ticket. Also give more ways to gain that WXP while in that keep. Honestly after a few repel force ticks you should gain more then the team attacking and taking it.
I think is totally wrong to not give info about who is doing it. You should definitely post here the Commander’s name, Guild names and Servers, even post the screencaps. If Anet can’t do anything about it(wich they could, if they have proof like the screencaps, everyone involved should get perma-ban) at least a lot of people get to know who are they.
You’re actually encouraging them to keep doing it by hiding they faces, if there’s no sort of punishment, there’s no problem on keep going. Its like arresting someone for robbery but instead of put him in jail you let him go, he will continue robbing tomorrow, cuz its ok. :/
Its against the CoC to call out individuals publicly so he would end up getting the thread closed. I asked him if he was still on a server to give an idea of what servers may have been involved and they can take care of it them selves.
I reported two commanders for WvW win-trading today on my server to farm WvW ranks. This is not fun for those of us who enjoy WvW.
I’m not going to say which server, but I sent screencaps of them explaining the plot to other players in chat. Basically they were working with the other server over voice chat to farm WvW ranks by trading keeps, towers, etc. clockwise around the map. One commander was boasting about the number of ranks he’d earned. They were telling other players not in on the fix to stop repairing and stop attacking.
Again, this is not fun or fair and I hope ArenaNet puts a stop to it.
Just make recapping almost worthless. I can think of already several ideas to do that:
Put a not visible boon on the keep/tower giving a super low ammount of event and WXP revard for the 30 min or so.
Let players get with each captured keep/tower less WXP and event rewards.
devide the event reward and WXP gained by capturing a keep or tower between the ppl doing that.
make constantly flipping keeps/towers with each flip have less HP on walls and gates (leading to quicker reflipping) but after some flips the walls and gates have no HP and the NPCs abandon the keep/tower for some time, making it unflippable and basicly a ruin.
in the scenario described above, repairing and holding the keep agains attackers, when already damaged due to a high flip rate, awards a higher ammount of WXP and event rewards.
If its unflippable why would people be attacking it? Also adding a event with a higher WXP rate would just make something new to farm no?
I know this is going to come off as trollish so I’m sorry…Other then the stat buffs WvW gains for PvE there isn’t a huge amount of rewards. The stacked server can only “karma train” if the losing servers take objectives to recap. Also the matches may be fun for the weekend WvWer but for the “hardcore” WvW players these matches are not as awesome as you would guess.
A good example of this was TW from SoR. They felt there match up SoR was put into was going to be a bit lopsided so part of the guild transferred out for stiffer competition till SoR gets a different match up. Cost makes this hard for some people/guilds but its a option.
Also in game WvW wins/loss doesn’t seem to be the way to rate your server now. It has everything to do with the Glicko rating. Sticking with SoR, they got put into a match with 2 lower servers and because of this they started with a negative rating. If SoR wanted to gain rating they would have to have a complete blow out. By SoS doing much better the the system assumed SoR got -32 and SoS gained +60 which in most cases before would have had to be a win for a SoS.
Fyi Thanks for not calling out the servers directly but with the ability to search past posts, it’s quite easy to narrow down whom you may be talking about. Assuming this is true…with out proof, your post is moot.
The ticket has the screencaps, that’s in ArenaNet’s lane now. My post is not a call-out, it’s a stand against the exploit. Hopefully other players recognize the plot when they see it and help control it instead of going along with it.
I think it was the right thing not calling out the servers but sadly I’m not sure anet can do much about it in the larger scheme of things. With the way a lot of these server community are constructed, they wouldn’t want this type of propaganda to reflect the server as a whole and thus be forced to take care of it on a player level. Then again if it was being done by a “premier” guild then, shame on them
Edit: Propaganda might not be the right word for it but its fun to say out loud and I’m sticking with it
Fyi Thanks for not calling out the servers directly but with the ability to search past posts, it’s quite easy to narrow down whom you may be talking about. Assuming this is true…with out proof, your post is moot.
The point he was trying to make is there is a sizable difference between how BG and SoR zergs. SoR tends to throw a full queued map zerg at you very hard and gives you very little time to react splitting your forces across the map. It make it seem like SoR has this massive zerg with numbers over the cap.
Except that isn’t reality. It is only your perception.
Usually the truth is that forces are split across the map defending/attacking. The only time you really see full BL zergs from any servers is during a prolonged siege or when one of the three servers doesnt show up. Otherwise the very nature of a three sided fight alone dictates otherwise.
My Perception or not its quite obvious whats happening when SoR gos from out manned to a massive force defending or attacking a objective. I highly doubt when SoR hits the map with a objective in sight that they have every one spread out evenly. Hence why I said it seems like SoR has a full map zerg on the map.
Playing engi and necro when I go with zerg, I’ll stay a little bit away from the battle and find the right position to do damage or AoE on downed enemies (may be wait till someone come rez thier friend and I’ll drop AoE to kill both of them)
Just some constructive criticism…. That isn’t the best way to play a necro in a zerg if you want to win consistently.
This isn’t constructive. Being constructive would be taking steps to help the other person understand what you mean.
Personally I like playing my necro on the front lines with the melee. Being in the thick of it spamming chill and blind to help mitigate incoming damage. I don’t know thakittens the best way but I find it very helpful.
LoL these TC guys
Sure hope we got BG next week so TW can come home. I mean, this weeks been great reading and all… Definitely better that round 1 vs. TC…
But still
Whats TW going to do if BG gets in a match up with out JQ and SoR?
Transfer to BG
Well just in case Welcome to Blackholefortkaingate.
Dear god, please let Dragonbrand roll SOR tonight. Sophtspoken has no idea what a zerg really is.
If Blackgate beat DB by 250k, SOR will beat them by 400k.
You do know there is a cap for each map right? And that BG filled them most of the week because it was a free win. So that’s kind of silly, either way we fight a server with 3-4 capped maps. Just pointing that out
Also I’d like to apologize for Sopht. He in no way represents the majority attitude of our server.
The point he was trying to make is there is a sizable difference between how BG and SoR zergs. SoR tends to throw a full queued map zerg at you very hard and gives you very little time to react splitting your forces across the map. It make it seem like SoR has this massive zerg with numbers over the cap.
LoL these TC guys
Sure hope we got BG next week so TW can come home. I mean, this weeks been great reading and all… Definitely better that round 1 vs. TC…
But still
Whats TW going to do if BG gets in a match up with out JQ and SoR?
I think we will have to see more of the “RNG” matches to see how it plays out but I think they are good in some ways. Trust me when I say the rivalry between BG and SoR is still there but the break away was good. It was getting pretty toxic and in no way healthy competition. After following both SoRs and BGs match up threads it seem everyone is in high spirits and hopefully this caries over into our future matches.
As far as rating gos, at this point its a joke. So far the only people that have been talking about the rating is a select few from SoR. I understand you’re “losing” your rank based off a poor RNG but there is 2 ways you can/should look at it. The rank means nothing other then a different % when rolling servers. Also if rating was that big a deal for SoR TW would have stayed on SoR and you would have pushed TC and SoS harder to keep that ranking. Which isn’t that far apart right now.
I wish TC could get a rematch with another Tier 2 or 1 server. TC beats SoR when we have equal numbers easily. All SoR does is use a ton of Necro wells. We just don’t have enough people like they do. Somehow they fit more people in a map as well. They can hold 80 people in a zerg sometimes even 100. We can only get 60 at most.
Thanks for the laugh I needed one today. Oh and everyone knows SoR runs with 100+ ppl in every map! just ask jq/bg
Obviously I can’t confirm numbers but SoR is known for Massive, what seems to be full map, zergs. And when your not queuing a few maps your float team queues a map from out manned in seconds. Just sayin, It may not be “every” map but SoR does tend to run the biggest zerg.
its ok bg laugh it up now but when you fall to t4 and wonder wtf happened ill be the first to point out how crappy you guys really are
Sorry Sophtspoken, SoR’s forum warriors get first go at that one. The put in much more time perfecting their BG hate.
Yeah as much I find BG to be full of noobs and scrubs. SoR called dibs first. Please refrain from stealing our chance at laughing at them. Thank you pointing this out to sophtspoken BG.
I’d like to point out that BG also calls dibs on laughing at SoR if the time comes. Though If sophtspoken is right and zergs are broken we will all enjoy our time in tier 4. (the speculated tier of sophtspoken)
50 people, 3 sup cats, 2sup acs and 2 sup balsitas all it took for bg to take klov from 8 people LMFAO, once zergs arnt as effective bg will be t4 at best
Hes right yo. Next time BG can you have 42 people respawn and wait till the tower is taken? kkthanks
On it. I’ll be next to the repair vendor picking my nose. Maybe if I have time I’ll practice pressing #1 and my CC skill buttons.
SPAM 1 KEY HARDER BRO!
If you press it harder, it does more damage! The more you know!
50 people, 3 sup cats, 2sup acs and 2 sup balsitas all it took for bg to take klov from 8 people LMFAO, once zergs arnt as effective bg will be t4 at best
Hes right yo. Next time BG can you have 42 people respawn and wait till the tower is taken? kkthanks
I don’t think you can really rate all the classes because of all the variables like group make up, size of the group, builds, size of your enemy.
If I had to generalize it, I would say:
Guardian, Nerco, warrior would be the bulk of your group.
Ele, mesmer, Ranger would be secondary. Equally as important but not as many numbers to be effective.
Thief, engi, engi I don’t know enough about so they could be in the group above. Thief has some things that are nice for zergs like the on demand blast finisher but there overall defense makes it hard for a thief to be effective in the long run.
Personally any strong zerg will have a good amount of all classes to take advantage of everything the game has to offer.
I mean I get that you guys are garbage without a massive zerg but cmon this is just embarasing
Come on Sophtspoken, you make me disappoint. Here I thought you were going to be a classy forum warrior but all you got it the same you’re bad, were good routine. All those times needing to respawn must be adding up that repair bill. On the up side at least get breaks to come here and post. <3
As a member of Blackgate server, i have to say that i am quite impressed with how well Dragonbrand is doing. Tier 1 isn’t easy, and DB has been resolute. grats
Guess the definition of “impressed” varies from one to the other.
At present DB is in the bottom 5 for lowest score of all servers and this includes EU. At present they ticking at 90.
Typical SoR poster, showing up in a thread that doesn’t involve them to bash another server.
So says the poster child for wvw forum etiquette…
LOL at “Pots” past posting history.
Well if you were reading the thread instead of just trolling, you would notice that we are congratulating DB on there resilience and skill in the field. We aren’t trolling them because they lack coverage to compete 24/7. Every fight with DB thus far has been epic! Bags for both sides!
At least I hope the matches keep this trend for a few weeks. BG/JQ got paired this week so let see SoR paired with one of us and the other get a week alone.
Last night in DBBL was a blast. Props to agg, you guys are beast. Those fights at bay were endless, it felt like you had a mobile way point. After we thought we wiped you, there was your force again like nothing happened.
Sophtspoken, Most of the commanders I have ran with this week are opportunists. We hit what is best for us. If we see JQ hitting DB were going to do the same because it splits your forces and makes you pick what you want to keep. JQ does the same with us. Then at some point either we (BG) or JQ will try to back cap the other to gain on PPT. If DB had the coverage to push either of us you would see a 2v1 in your favor. Fact of the matter is DB just doesn’t have the coverage to match both BG and JQ.
In all the tier 1 matches (SoR/JQ/BG) there is consistent 2v1s all the time because your looking for a PPT gain. Hitting a target that is preoccupied with another force make them easy targets.
Trust me when I say there is no 2v1 on DB plan.
I would like to say that even know DB isn’t doing well on PPT, you guy can definitely put up a fight. Its been a blast fighting you guys and I’m looking forward to some great fights the rest of the week!
You can invite the player and if they accept, you can chat it up. Zerg fights most people just go to the match up thread and say something like “Great fight with [???] at bay…” with your own flavor and what not.
For really really good 1v1s I normally won’t stomp them and maybe /bow or /sit next to them. Maybe they are up for another fight. Also this is how I’v met most people that play on other servers.
WP exploitation is quite common. We were inside the inner walls of Bay. The WP was contested for well over 15min. As we were 50% on The Lord the guild WP’ed inside and wiped the entire group. This is a know exploit, google it if you wish to read more on the details, I will not go into details on these forums.
More than 40 of us saw what happened, we all knew the WP was contested for a very long time -approx. 15min contested.
It can not be contested for 15 minutes straight…There are small windows of time (around 2 seconds) when the repel enemy timer hits zero. At this time the WP is open and can be used, like I said for a very short time. I don’t know if Anet intended it to be that way bit its not a exploit. If anything it would be a bug but that is up to Anet to say.
About the way points, you sure that wasn’t done during that small window when the points tick over and you have a couple seconds to port?
Please read what I said and you will clearly see that was not the case. More than 40 players witnessed it.
You didn’t state anything to answer his question in your statement…If you were not on inner or in the lords room, you can not confirm they were streaming in the WP while it was contested. For all you know they mass ported when the small window came up (which is very common to happen) and the commander had people hang back to hide there numbers. (which is also very common)
I’m not saying it didn’t happen, I want to say that I have seen it once before but it was only a few at a time of a short period of time. (after the mass port in during the uncontested window) So it could have been lag or culling for me.
At least on our server, we even give a countdown to a contested keep for the window of opportunity. Its really, really common. I know that pretty much every server we have faced does the same.
That said, the exploits, hacks, etc seem to have declined overall in my experience. They are still ever-present, but I think they were much, much more common around the time that we had orbs. Perhaps it was also just that it was more apparent, but I feel like less people are doing this sort of thing.
Anyway, WP into a contested keep when it comes off CD and right before it becomes contested again is a very common strategy. OP, what you wrote doesnt actually address this to anyone who is experienced with the mechanics. It sounds like what you describe is a pretty common thing, and not an exploit. Reporting such actions may not get the results you want…
I should have been more clear, I was only stating one experience with something that could have seemed like a WP exploit. It was a 3 way battle for garrison, so the lag was almost unbearable. If you have seen this lag you know its very hard to get the correct timing on the WP when it comes up. So I assume when the WP came up the normally mass of people got in and the rest were lagging or stuck in the load screen for some time, making it seem as they were using the WP while it was contested.
Personally I don’t believe there is a WP exploit BUT since I don’t know either way I won’t rule it out.
About the way points, you sure that wasn’t done during that small window when the points tick over and you have a couple seconds to port?
Please read what I said and you will clearly see that was not the case. More than 40 players witnessed it.
You didn’t state anything to answer his question in your statement…If you were not on inner or in the lords room, you can not confirm they were streaming in the WP while it was contested. For all you know they mass ported when the small window came up (which is very common to happen) and the commander had people hang back to hide there numbers. (which is also very common)
I’m not saying it didn’t happen, I want to say that I have seen it once before but it was only a few at a time of a short period of time. (after the mass port in during the uncontested window) So it could have been lag or culling for me.
On the relevant subject of 2v1…I was dueling some one from DB and a JQ guy came up and killed me, then just ran off. If that’s not proof that DB and JQ are going to 2v1 I don’t know what is.
Woah, feels so strange and liberating that BG doesn’t have to deal with JQ and SoR being but buddies anymore. We can finally see whakittens like to fight without a constant 2v1 day in and day out (and from what I have seen already ya’ll are in for a long week).
You have photo evidence of you sitting side by side with JQ and you call SoR and JQ butt buddies? Grow up. Hope DB teaches you all a lesson, but it won’t be soon before you guys start complaining about them.
Lol at the use of “Grow up” So defensive over one little comment in a thread that has nothing to do with you. You just don’t know when to stop and relax. Go enjoy your time apart, I’m sure we will see SoR soon enough.
Awesome job DB in EB tonight. It was a blast trying to take vally from you. There was definitely no slacking going on in there!
