Guild Wars 2

Eviator.9746:

Zikory.6871:

You must be new here. Welcome to the 2v1, PvD, You’re stacked->Nuh uh, zoom hacker, </3 thread. AKA tier 1 thread.

Yeah but why? It makes no sense. Why don’t these people play games?

It’s a water fall effect. It only takes one troll to say something like “X server couldn’t win if there wasn’t a blatant 2v1” Then bam! Every one has a comment on the matter and it will never end. Plus the forums is all some people have to get there fix while at work. Tbh this thread is quite boring compared to past weeks. There is just something about SoR/BG/JQ that brings out the troll in everyone.

Eviator.9746:

Holy mother of all that is good and holy! Shut up! You guys are all insane, by Einstein’s definition. Nobody has said anything new in 8 pages (that’s 400 posts), and yet it keeps going. How is that possible?!?!?!?!?!? Who cares about whose coverage in each time slot is superior. Play the game and share your battle stories, let’s put some real content in this thread!

You must be new here. Welcome to the 2v1, PvD, You’re stacked→Nuh uh, zoom hacker, </3 thread. AKA tier 1 thread.

Sardonia.8196:

Zikory.6871:

Sardonia.8196:

Sunt.6835:

SoR needs to face the fact.

The difference in this week is " Your underling (JQ) is not around anymore. . . "

So you are basically saying that you are overstacked and that it takes two servers just to beat you. That is the way it sound to me.

Spin it all you want but when JQ is here they have the power to pick who gets first. If they focus BG, SoR wins. Hence the “underling” talk.

Agree, but JQ has not been SoR’s underling for the past 2 weeks. I believe that title belongs to BG

Lol, I won’t argue that. Though I do feel it’s based off different time zones. If you remember any of the Waha talk from last weeks locked threads, it sounded like JQ was focusing SoR in BG’s stronger time zone. I don’t play in SEA so I can only go by what is said here

Sardonia.8196:

Sunt.6835:

SoR needs to face the fact.

The difference in this week is " Your underling (JQ) is not around anymore. . . "

So you are basically saying that you are overstacked and that it takes two servers just to beat you. That is the way it sound to me.

Spin it all you want but when JQ is here they have the power to pick who gets first. If they focus BG, SoR wins. Hence the “underling” talk.

Moaning Marv.2194:

I ran 30/0/10/0/30 full bers build just last night in t1, it is definitely doable. Killing won’t be the problem, the problem will be (as it’s always been): stomping and combat mobility.

This is on point. I have been running this build with mostly zerker (some cavaliers and kinghts trinkets) for the last 2 weeks and its a great damage dealer. While fighting in zergs it really comes down to positioning and timing. If you get hit with a well timed stun and don’t have DS or plague up, you’re probably going to die. Most the time mid zerg fight stomping is out of the question unless you can time DS stomps constantly. While fighting I find my self ducking in and out of the bulk of players and not in the middle of everything like I would in other more tanky builds.

IMO this is one of the most fun builds I’ve played in a long while. I wouldn’t go and say its the best for ZvZ because your missing out on a lot of the support options that Necros can have but its a blast to play.

What does the amount of people on a server matter when there is a cap on how many people can be in a WvW zone at a time? If that is the only issue why doesn’t anet lower the cap on the maps till skill lag is resolved? Maybe skill lag isn’t 100% a population issue…Maybe this is another QQ stacked servers thread?

morrolan.9608:

Robot Chocken.7012:

HAHA! He hakitten you for a few days. BG is very correct in saying he hit them for months. BG was the more challenging server and ATM likes great fights..

Well its been weeks, but anyway what you say above doesn’t make sense. If he wants great fights and BG is more challenging why has he concentrated on SOR for the past few weeks?

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/wuv/matchups/7-12-Sanctum-of-Rall-Jade-Quarry-Blackgate-v2/page/8#post2437420

Here you go…the answer…

Burl.9567:

Zikory.6871:

Starscream.7803:

Zikory.6871:

Starscream.7803:

pot.6805:

SoRs OCE, SEA and EU have completely given up.

Tell that to the BG forces on BG BL that outnumbered us as we kitten d through them and took briar off them.

You took a spawn tower??? Ohh noooz.

Yeah, while outnumbered, with BG being too scared to push out………………….. Oh wait, maybe you would have appreciated it more if we had waited for waha to attack you first? :P

Well they were trained well. We here at BG never pull out.

Is that how JQ was born?

Sounds like the start to a nail biting episode of Maury…

Starscream.7803:

Zikory.6871:

Starscream.7803:

pot.6805:

SoRs OCE, SEA and EU have completely given up.

Tell that to the BG forces on BG BL that outnumbered us as we kitten d through them and took briar off them.

You took a spawn tower??? Ohh noooz.

Yeah, while outnumbered, with BG being too scared to push out………………….. Oh wait, maybe you would have appreciated it more if we had waited for waha to attack you first? :P

Well they were trained well. We here at BG never pull out.

Starscream.7803:

pot.6805:

SoRs OCE, SEA and EU have completely given up.

Tell that to the BG forces on BG BL that outnumbered us as we kitten d through them and took briar off them.

You took a spawn tower??? Ohh noooz.

You can’t compare servers by population. SoR and TC are great examples of this. SoR is a clear T1 server and has a huge WvW population while TC is a T2 leader and quite a huge PvE population. A few patches ago SoR was hovering around “very high” while TC was a solid “full”

Also most bandwagon servers are still looking to fill some small gaps in coverage so if your looking to join the band, take a look at what some of these guilds can offer you.

Yeah I didn’t think about that till after I posted. I fully understand the issue though.

covenn.7165:

I don’t even use ascended gear currently by choice because the min/max stat combination for my style of play / class is better in exotics.

Can you explain how that works? I don’t see how less stats will min/max when higher stats are available.

Meh dude below me answered it. Didn’t think about that…

Vena.8436:

Zikory.6871:

IMO while expanding the World make one of the new zones a open PvP zone. That would give a different aspect to PvE in that zone and it would give a place for GvG out side of WvW.

Whats wrong with Obsidian Sanctum for GvG? The staging area is perfect for GvGs! You can even have spectators at the spawns, safely watching.

Or is it too small an area?

EB will normally always have a queue or close to a queue since its a prime map to play. That is what makes it hard to get a full team in. That and I would only guess with the amount of camping in the JP it would be hard to not get greifed in there. Thats just a guess though.

dunnberry.2964:

All you tier. 1ers complaining about the queue…stop fricken trying to recruit anything with a pulse to tier 1 than!!!

Nope, more qqueue more fun.

pot.6805:

Brutus.5732:

Burl.9567:

Those that are “happy” or “ok” with this are in the minority. Given 2-3 weeks, I don’t think JQ will be having matches with us any longer as many are looking elsewhere already.

That will be a sad day for BG, separated from their hero stooge.

This can’t be serious, can it?

It’s super cereal! JQ pretends to hit BG with SoR so SoR won’t find out that JQ and BG are long time lovers. Were not sure if SoR is ready for this type of life style…

IMO while expanding the World make one of the new zones a open PvP zone. That would give a different aspect to PvE in that zone and it would give a place for GvG out side of WvW.

TheGuy.3568:

Zikory.6871:

I would say the only problem I have with it is the down state. No other down stat skill can go through the portals so I would just say don’t allow eles to as well. Or let other classes with down state ports go through the portals as long as they are in range. I would say doing it while alive should stay as it is. Its already hard enough to get into towers sometimes.

But the real issue is when you down a ele and they mist form. Mist form counts as reviving for a short time so the players WXP is dropped to the minimum. Its not game breaking but a oversight nonetheless and should be fixed.

Vengeance

Just saying.

Yup same issue, I just didn’t bring it up due to the conversation being on Eles. Though I do find it to be less of a issue due to the CD on Vengeance. In most small fights you can kill a Warrior before he has a chance to use it. Unlike the Ele.

I would say the only problem I have with it is the down state. No other down stat skill can go through the portals so I would just say don’t allow eles to as well. Or let other classes with down state ports go through the portals as long as they are in range. I would say doing it while alive should stay as it is. Its already hard enough to get into towers sometimes.

But the real issue is when you down a ele and they mist form. Mist form counts as reviving for a short time so the players WXP is dropped to the minimum. Its not game breaking but a oversight nonetheless and should be fixed.

Ostra.3927:

Hmm.. should I believe the 50 people that just left T1 servers for a lower tier server… or some internet guy defending his T1 server???

Let me think about this for awhile….. nevermind. Im gonna jump into WvW whenever I want and be able to PLAY the game.

Some internet guy? Like your creditable because you say you know 50 people that left a T1 server? You jump into WvW when ever you want while the rest of you server complains about match ups because you don’t have coverage…I’m sure if your server has EU or SEA guilds I bet the love that PvD, dem doors are hardcore…

Also I know 51 people on lower servers that say that T1 is the bestest…See I can say random things to…doesn’t make it true

Ostra.3927:

Enjoy your queue up in T1 of up to 2 hours

Middle tier is where the fun is people. learn it love it

I can’t speak for JQ but the only time BG has anything close to a 2 hour queue is the first 4 hours after reset. After that you will only find 1 or 2 maps with a queue 15 minutes max. Considering JQ has a lower WvW population then BG I would guess that they have even less of a issue with queues. Spread your lies elsewhere.

Ok this is what anet should do. Toggle PvP for all PvE zones on for the top 3 servers. This way all the PvE players will migrate off and move to other servers. This way all the “hardcore” WvW guilds can have WvW and all the other server will get a higher fair weather population to help. OK…its a bad idea and would ever happen but it would be fun for PvPers and PvX players

Monsoon.2589:

Since Anet has never acknowledged the server lag issue I have about zero hopes that they will do anything to fix it. I would expect that their solution will be to add more maps so they can spread the load of a server tier to several instances…but besides that i don t see them doing hardware or code fixes for this.

I’m not 100% since I can’t find the source but I think they said it was completely a hardware issue (on there side) and the only way to really fix it with out dropping population caps would be to throw money at it.

If your looking for Tier 1 (top 3 servers) Go JQ. They are currently rebuilding and are a great server! If your not looking to join a tier 1 server, try any of the lower ones. TC/DB/FA/SoS/CD just to name a few. Generally the lower the server, lower the population but thats mainly for WvW. With guesting PvE doesn’t matter what server your on.

Cirus.5748:

Mance.5640:

Liquid.9672:

Oh before I forget, I had a good chuckle on SoRBL last night watching what went down while we were there. SoR trebs our spawn tower from Hills, and when the wall is low JQ sets up Catas to finish the job. Before coming in SoR comes over and wipes JQ. While that’s happening we dump supply into the wall. So SoR sets up three trebs to work the wall down again. So the JQ zerg comes over and smashes right into the SoR zerg. As they’re clashing I see one single /shrug emote from an SoR player lol. Cracked me up.

We lost the tower in the end but it was fun to watch from the battlement. JQ’s goal was a BG tower (probably because we kitten ed you off for flipping your spawn tower) but nobody can say they don’t hit SoR. Then again, I think Joker from [Pro] was tagged up so I guess I shouldn’t be surprised.

I was pinned and so was Joker. Here is what happened from our POV. We land on the BL start scrapping with TW n Friends, eventually take bay as BG is pushing hills and SoR can’t stop us both. With BG pushing the east we begin to push the west.

BG loses the fight for hills, so rather than continue to push up the east while we push SoR on the west, BG as usual decides to back door JQ at our spawn tower. SG and PRO with a collective sigh of “how dumb can BG be” begin to farm BG. Lake tower is being trebbed and the wall is almost down at some point so we start catapulting it. As BG due to their stupidity needs to leave the map. We get the wall down and before we can wipe BG, the SoR map zerg hits us from behind and takes out our siege. Then they build 3 trebs to finish Lake. Just to be jerks back we bum rush their trebs. SoR recovers shortly after and finishes Lake. The end result is BG leaves the map as SoR and JQ wipe them out. Soon after it grows late and most of our guilds have to log. Leaving BG no points and SoR still steadily gaining points for first place.

In summation: You had become an annoyance to SG/Pro and the SoR map zerg as we were having a jolly time bashing each other.

Sounds like very foolish play from Blackgate in that situation

It wasn’t as bad on Blackgate’s part as it sounds. We were very out numbered at the time so we only did what we could. We never expected to make some massive push to start hitting garrison or anything. As other said we saw JQ hitting bay so we took a run at hills, Considering it was a t2 hills vs a paper bay, we knew they would come wipe us. JQ took bay and in the end that is still less PPT for SoR. Also while we were messing around on SoR bl BG’s PPT went up a good ~50 points, not saying we had much to do with it but it does make me feel better inside.

Arathor.7419:

make a new character , you chose the race cause you liked it

I didn’t read the thread but I’m quoting Arathor.7419 for context.

I recently got tired of my Human Necro and wanted it to be Asura. So given the only option was to make a new character, I did. Anet was very forgiving and help full on a a lot of things. First the Unlimited gathering tools, I had all 3 on my human Necro and after explaining my reason they very promptly account bound them for me so I could put them on my Asura. Also another issue was Ascended items, they take some time to acquire so I put in my support ticket and after a day or two they account bound those for me as well. Yes I had to level up a new Asura Necro and Yes I had to re-gear him in exotics but with karma, badges of honor, and gold it was a fairly painless task.

Personally I think they should have a Race change option but if they don’t want to do it in there game then that’s fine, they give us plenty of options to recreate new characters fairly easy. I mean if you don’t want to level you can craft you way to 80 in ~3 hours, don’t have the gold for it, buy gems. Don’t want to spend time farming gold/karma buy gems. Can’t buy gems? Get a job! >.< That parts joke :p

Euthymia.4807:

Zikory.6871:

Euthymia.4807:

I find playing the game pointless.

You’re done here. After this anything you say is worthless. If you find playing the game pointless you will have no say in how or what can improve this game.

Since you’re so against this idea tell me why its not a good change for WvW? And Btw saying “they should be working on other things” is a cop out because you have no reasonable idea to debate this.

First, You took that quote out of context. Good job being that dishonest.

Secondly, throughout this thread people have been complaining that manually looting is pointless. One person even tried to use some Japanese philosophy. If you weren’t so dishonest, you would notice that that entire first part of my post is Mist’s post mirrored and their argument used sarcastically for the automation of the whole game.

Xar.6185:

Zikory.6871:

You misunderstand the point of the suggestion and I think you missed that the OP of both threads are the same. It was asked if a macro for this situation would be allowed and Anet confirmed that is is NOT allowed so the suggestion for it to be implemented in game so 3rd party programs and keyboards won’t be used.

That wasn’t really at the OP but more so the side discussion about ‘spamming f’ , ‘infinite loop’, ’it’s killing my keyboard’ etc, things that were going on.

I personally don’t see a need for automated looting or anything like that, but the only way anything like it could even be considered would be to have it as an option for everyone as part of the game. Which I really don’t see Anet doing anytime soon. They tend to move quite slowly when it comes to quality of life issues.

It’s not even a QOL issue. It’s an “I’m too lazy so do it for me” issue.

WhiteAndMilky.2514:

Xar.6185:

They tend to move quite slowly when it comes to quality of life issues.

^ This. I really wish arenanet would just take a 2 week break from living story and fix some of the long-existing bugs and annoyances.

Hope you realize that auto-looting wouldn’t be on that list of fixes for long-existing bugs and annoyances.

Wouldn’t being to “lazy” to do something fall under a quality of life issue? If it was made easier make it more appealing to do there for less likely to be to “lazy” to do it, thus improving the quality of life…

I hope you can realize thakittens obviously something people feel frustrated enough about to make a suggestion to help with the current “annoyances” with looting in WvW so I think it would fall under “annoyances”

If you want to troll this thread please try to do better…You have not come up with one good reason why this should NOT be implemented.

Euthymia.4807:

Mist Y.5214:

Euthymia.4807:

And the point is you press F as the fight moves. It’s not rocket science.

You seriously think it’s not a problem to have to spam F while fighting? In an intense combat situation, it drastically hinders your ability to play.

If pressing F (or whatever your AOE key is) hinders your ability to play, then the issue is with your ability not a lack in the game.

If there’s ever an auto loot feature, then I expect an auto post on TP feature. Otherwise your bag is going to fill up and you’ll keep getting “Your inventory is full” messages and you’ll be complaining that it’s distracting. And I also want an auto level feature because leveling manually is just too inefficient.

How is that any different from now assuming you pick up all your bags? Do you not look at your inventory ever? I know I do at least every half hour to reapply food. Or when ever I use siege…or to deposit collectibles…or to see what a exact item was after a fight. If your to “lazy” to sell your items because you let your bags get full is a completely unrelated issue. (The use of lazy is to stay in context with your outlandish posts)

I’m not really for or against mounts but I’ll say keep them the kitten out of WvW and PvP. I think they would be cool for PvE but that’s it.

Gudradain.3892:

SpehssMehreen.5897:

lol this guy above me clearly does not understand whats going on in the upper servers

Could you take the time to explain it to me

The only SoR or BG will “unstack” is if there is some internal issues and basically implode like mega servers before us. I can’t speak for SoR but that won’t be happening to BG any time soon and I doubt it will to SoR either. You say no one else to fight? As long as SoR and BG keep up this momentum they will be there to fight, with out JQ (or maybe TC) it will just be some 3rd server getting thrown into the lions den.

Also you need to understand that a lot of guilds are friends with each other. Say X guild drops down to a lower server, there is a good chance other guilds will follow building a new server to take SoR or BG’s spot. Having a “stacked” top servers will always happen. A lot of people enjoy Tier 1 fighting, the lag and queue is a non issue.

EDIT: Also I don’t think you understand what would happen if some of the major WvW guilds from SoR or BG went to a low server. Look at Kain with [WM] War Machine carried that server from bottom tier to the top of tier 2 but as it was the only real full time guild at the time they couldn’t maintain other time zones so when [WM] left kain dropped.

As a member of Blackgate and some that has been fighting JQ for some time, I don’t agree with this. Yes you guys are in a rough spot but honestly JQ is not bad at all. You guys lack some coverage in some time zones that’s it. JQ is the best choice for #3 and make a strong difference in Tier 1. The only other server that could maybe fill JQ’s shoes would be TC and we just don’t know what would happen in a BG/SoR/TC match.

JQ is a good server and has some very strong guilds. I just think you have the same problem BG has with SoR. SoR has a very strong EU to NA presence and puts both BG and JQ at a huge disadvantage in the time zones following. Even with how tired a lot of us are with each other SoR/BG/JQ is the best match up for competition.

What is your focus as a power build? For me in WvW I find axe better because of axe #3, that with warhorn #5 pared with plague form or even in DS adds a good amount of extra damage. Plus the little bit of extra range gives you a bit of a buffer so you don’t need to stand in damage to attack. But in the end Dagger will do more damage if your able to sit there and dps. For PvE I would assume Dagger is the better choice but thats assuming your able to stand in melee range. Lower dps from range is better then no damage because you can’t stand by the mob.

Bovinity.8610:

If any guild is looking to transfer up in tiers, they should consider JQ or TC. NOT SoR or BG, regardless of the guild’s timezone.

Or you could be REALLY pro and transfer from JQ to SoR or BG.

Not that anyone would do that.

Right?

Or you could be REALLY [PRO] and transfer to JQ from BG.

That happened

Right?

I have been using the same build more or less and use way more Zerker then you. I do fine in both the zerg and roaming. Personally I always have spectral wall and walk on my bar. Walk really helps with Life force and the port back can be clutch. Wall its great for getting protection and the fear is great, it can help with burst if you can chain that fear with your DS fear.

Btw you have 1600 toughness (2.5K is your armor rating which is different) but I run closer to 1400 toughness and never have a problem. Also you may want to get your crit chance up, if you can get it closer to 50% you can have basically 100% crit in DS.

I would drop master of terror for path of midnight. The fear increase will be minimal and getting your DS skills up fast will be very helpful. Also I would take those 10 points and move them to curses for weakening Shroud or blood magic for Vampiric precision. Both will help with the survivability bit.

Those are just my 2 cents about this build and what works for me. But in the end this build is very overpowered if played right. Running with the zerg on reset night I only died once and it was to falling damage. (flashed DS ) One tip that i can think of is don’t save DS for when your low, and don’t let your life force get completely full. Life blast hits like a truck so use it. Hope this helps, have fun.

I normally run Accuracy/force but that’s because I need the 5% crit. Bloodlust on my staff to rack up them stacks faster then switch it out for battle.

Nikkinella.8254:

CHIPS.6018:

You should use in-game gold to buy gems to try a new server, before quitting the game.

How the hell is this a solution? People hopping servers and all stacking onto just a few is what is causing the current problems in WvW to begin with. So how is recommending he join one of those bandwagon zergy servers any help? They need to get heavy handed and force transfer some guilds back to the servers they hopped from and even out the population, because this is getting frigin ridiculous. Either that or lower the population cap temporarily on all the maps to make it more fair. People would get sick of the longer queues on the mega zerg servers then transfer back. Things would stabilize after awhile then they could raise the cap again. How is 100 vs 10 even remotely fun especially when you’re on the side with only 10?

Thats crazy, I also saw that he was recruiting for Blackgate and SoR….You know that there are quite a few good servers to go to that are not in the top 3 (NA) TC, DB, FA, SoS, Mag, EB, CD, Kain….None of those are considered “bandwagon” servers and they want and need people too. So maybe you shouldn’t be so defensive because a guild left your server for a Bandwagon server. Maybe they didn’t like the way your server preformed in WvW….

If you’re on a bottom ranked server maybe you shouldn’t be complaining about population in WvW, you’re bottom ranked for a reason…Why would you expect some guild to come to your server and carry and train your population? Higher ranked servers recruit for coverage, WvW is a 24 hour battle after all and its also not fun to have a stacked time zone to loose it all in the next time zone because you don’t have the player base to cover it.

Make it more fair? Why should anet just make it fair for you? They have a option for people that want to WvW, you have a choice to pick any server you want and your to stubborn to move because you feel entitled.

Manually move guilds/players? Won’t work unless they lock servers…do that and they will loose players. Players = possible money. What servers do you think they really care about? The low pop servers or the border line full servers? They are a business after all.

Lower the population cap on the WvW maps? How is limiting the number of players that can play the game at any given time a good idea? Longer Queues? Most likely will split guilds and anet will loose players.

Lastly get over your self. A lot of guilds come to BG/SoR/JQ because regardless of what time zone they play in there will be some one to fight in a large scale. If you have so much server pride, take the time to build your community like so many people did on SoR/BG/JQ/TC (sorry don’t know much about you other equally awesome servers) People spend hours of their time trying to improve the server, paying for a community TS working on a website for the server, recruiting guilds for weak time zones, building better communication between time zones and much more. If you don’t like the direction your server is going then either leave or step up and try to fix it.

How do you join the squad if you don’t know if there is a squad (tag) there? Also what about guilds that run more then 30 people? Are the others not allowed to join in on the squad? So punish guilds that have a large player base?

Xar.6185:

Gaile answered this exact same thing in another thread.

I believe you’ve misunderstood if you think this is something we’d condone. How is auto-looting not automating gameplay? How is “spamming” the “F” key still one key for one action? How would use of this not give advantage when compared to the player who is individually picking up loot?

Certainly the “Does it allow the player to play faster?” question can be answered in the affirmative. Does it? Yes. That clearly indicates use of this is not suitable use. Consider carefully before giving credence to one individual’s interpretation of a very clear set of parameters.

You may read the whole thread and gain some context for the quote here:
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/wuv/wuv/Are-AoE-Loot-Macros-allowed

You misunderstand the point of the suggestion and I think you missed that the OP of both threads are the same. It was asked if a macro for this situation would be allowed and Anet confirmed that is is NOT allowed so the suggestion for it to be implemented in game so 3rd party programs and keyboards won’t be used.

SvenskNavi.9378:

First the put the loot bags at your feet.. Then they give you AoE looting because running up to each one wasn’t fast enough.. Now you want automated looting? Let’s get rid of loot altogether since people can’t be grateful.

You didn’t read the thread. Those of us asking for this change are very grateful for the steps they have made for looting. AoE looting is much massively better then 1 bag at a time but having to spam AoE loot while in battle is still a issue and is a unnecessary action.

Euthymia.4807:

I find playing the game pointless.

You’re done here. After this anything you say is worthless. If you find playing the game pointless you will have no say in how or what can improve this game.

Since you’re so against this idea tell me why its not a good change for WvW? And Btw saying “they should be working on other things” is a cop out because you have no reasonable idea to debate this.

Imo right now water combat is a bore. I really hope anet can improve everything. Allow for more skills underwater and over all options. Also why is masterwork still the best aquabreather you can get?

I would also like to add having settings like this and key binds character bound rather than account bound. If have the same problem with my thief and Necro. My key binds are slightly different and I have to turn on or off auto target depending on which class I’m using.

Euthymia.4807:

Lil Puppy.5216:

Tell me what Auto-Attack is? infinite loop. I’m not saying I do it, I’m never distracted enough to not be able to press the bound button on my mouse for aoe-loot but the game already provides an infinite-loop mechanic to spam actions, why is this different and why would anyone assume getting the loot you are entitled to is an advantage over every other player in the game that is entitled to their loot?

1) Auto attack is coded into the game.
2) There’s a difference between using something coded into the game and using a 3rd party program to do actions in the game.
3) You aren’t ‘entitled’ to anything if you’re too lazy to press F

If using macros to spam AOE loot is ok, then so is using marcros to spam any other attacks and/or abilities. By your own argument Botting is perfectly fine because the game has an auto attack feature that lets you automatically use one skill when ever it’s ready.

It has already been confirmed that using a macro of any sort (hardware or 3rd party) is not allowed. This was confirmed in a post on the WvW forums. This is why the suggestion is made to have anet review the subject and hopefully add it into the game its self.

IMO macros like this don’t really hurt anyone since it only has to do with looting which only effects you but Anet has to be able to track it some how so most likely this type of macro would just get flagged the same as if you were using a macro for skills. Its seems like a use at your own risk type of thing. You may or may not get caught and if you do, you can probably talk your way out of it but you never really know.

Euthymia.4807:

I think they were nice enough to put the loot bag at your feet. It’s not too much to ask that you press the F key every once in a while.

Next thing people will be complaining about is “using my skills is too tedious and boring. I have to think of what skill I want to use, move my character in range, and then press different buttons to activate my skills. It’s much too hard! Meanwhile other people are attacking me! Anet, please make it so the game fires off all my skills at the most efficient times.”

Why do people seem to feel that WvW (or to a lesser extent PvP) is something of some special importance. PVE’ers defend their server from dragons, trolls, pirates and all sorts of other dangers. I don’t remember anyone complaining about playing the game being too hard and needing auto triggers for pointless things like looting.

It’s not so much complaining, Its a suggestion to help improve game play. The changes they have made thus far have been great. This would be a huge upgrade to looting in WvW and allow people to focus on the greater part of WvW (combat) People leave so much loot because its either loot and death or continue fighting and in a lot of situations they fight is constantly moving so there is no way to collect all your bags. And Spamming your AoE loot key is the only answer? It doesn’t seem to be right considering how much movement is involved in this game.

I don’t use the trait but if I did in WvW I would use it to break to the back line of a zerg while I have DS 5 and 4 going.

Changing the way loot work won’t change the Meta on active servers. If Server 1 runs a 50+ man zerg, server 2 and 3 will have to run something close to or equal the numbers to compete. All it takes is 1 server to run big numbers and all 3 have to as well.

Bad Idea imo.

EDIT: Also all this talk about breaking up the zergs. One of the most epic fights I’v ever been in was reset night BG garrison. If it wasn’t for SoR and JQ’s massive numbers it would have been a bore. But nope they had huge numbers everywhere and it was a blast. And skill lag? Its been here for so long that I’m surprised people haven’t figured out how to play in it yet. At this point its part of the game…

North Hills = 5 trebs 10 AC’s and a ballista for the Lawls….

Singer.8740:

Straegen.2938:

Zikory.6871:

IMO the other classes blast finishers are much more useful at the start of a engagement then a thieves cluster bomb. Having all your classes save/waste blast finishers anytime you need might/healing/retal is quite wasteful. Having thieves ready to blast these fields give other classes much more control over the fight.

I am not debating that a thief isn’t useful in a zerg, I think it is but it is not a strong utility zerg class. Their base mechanic (stealth) is mostly useless outside of skirmishing.

Mesmers are clearly the utility winners, but Necros condition management, Guardians everything (stability, retaliation, boon-a-palooza) and Eles pack siege capability and fantastic aura sharing are far higher on the list than the thief. Throwing a bone to the Ranger, they have the best water field in the game.

Sadly the ranger does not even get a bone because engineers have the best water field. Dat healing turret heals you more than healing spring (5040 compared to healing springs 4920) and gives half of the amount you heal to 5 other guys too (2520 hp) compared to healing spring only healing you and your pet. healing spring has a 30 sec cooldown, healing turret has a 15 sec cooldown when you pick it up .(who doesnt XD) They both give perma regen. healing spring cleanses more conditions than healing turret but you are required to stand inside the aoe to get this benefit, which brings me to my next point. the aoe range of healing springs water field is a tiny 240, you go stationary in that and you are probably dead vs zerg. Were as healing turetts aoe range is a massive 480 (double healing spring) so people can move around on the battle field and this thing will catch blast finishers all over the place and therefore gets off way way more combos. This is all before taking traits into consideration as well but i have ranted enough for one day so just to sumerise rangers get one trait that effects healing spring, engineers have a hole support healer build that is amazing in wvw. enough said. Just to say i am not dissing rangers. They have an amazing survival support build for wvw that essentualy mass cripple/ chill/ emobilizes/ roots an enemy zerg, Numerous roaming builds and just plenty to bring to the table. Sadly healing builds are not one of these things.

Well, Healing turret isn’t a water field. (unless the wiki is wrong) So that’s why healing spring is the best water field in the game.

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Healing_Turret
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Healing_Spring

Fildydarie.1496:

I don’t think that a lot of the WvW community understands what PvE players go through or why they look at this as an obligatory objective. This achievement is as fundamental to the PvE completionist players (a group which probably outnumbers the WvW community) as the acquisition of siege blueprints and supply is to WvW. Imagine having to run for 3 hours across an empty PvE map to get to a dungeon where 90% of the time the last boss has a permanent invulnerable buff. Only if you manage to kill that boss does the siege vendor and supply point spawn. That is what PvE completionists face.

Also, the only reason this is called a WvW map is because it is accessed from within EB and uses server alliances. It has no strategic value, follows none of the design principles of other WvW combat, and the events in the JP have no bearing on the WvW score or strategy. This is not a WvW zone, this is a server-aligned team PvP zone, which is NOT part of the PvE experience by any rational measure.

With the addition of achievement point rewards, this latest one is 20 points—4% of a chest. That is a significant amount to me as a completionist. In terms of actions->physical rewards, this is only available for a limited time and is more rewarding than escorting 10,000 dolyaks, but less rewarding than escorting 100,000 dolyaks. It falls around 34,000 dolyaks worth of reward, but the key aspect is the time-locked nature—this has to be done in a certain window or I will fall behind. This is the mindset that WvWers don’t grasp; your content is always there, but for players like me, these limited opportunities must be completed or I have failed and may as well just stop playing altogether, because I can never succeed once I have failed.

DevonCarver.5370:

If you don’t want to get killed by other players, don’t play WvW. Plain and simple.

Posted by Devon…Sadly and how mean it sounds…no one cares. If you want the achievement keep trying and don’t quit. The JP is not that hard, find a group that will help you…(You guy have those in PvE right?) Don’t expect to get it on the first try…

Tbh I didn’t really read your post but you did say something about a new map. Personally I think they need to make one in place of the BL’s. Then set up a random rotation of these maps. BUT the big thing would be correctly making the map and not rush thing so when its released it works and doesn’t add issues. As we know it would probably take a long time to make this map so this would just be up to anet being vocal on the progress and say more then “we have something in the works”