Guild Wars 2

Nikola.3841:

Zikory.6871:

The problem with reporting is that it may not be a “zoom hack” there are ways around it that have nothing to do with “hacking” You can go into windowed mode and stretch your screen or Eyefinity neither of which are cheating technically but still unfair. That said no reason to start a debate on that there are plenty of threads on that subject.

However you do it, if you do something obviously not wanted by developers, thats hacking/cheating…its easy to get angry after enemy ACs red circles start to make rounds inside your tower where they obviously don’t follow LOS rules, and for any MMO company, angry player is bad for business

I don’t disagree with you, nor am I defending the people doing it. Something needs to be done but it has to be done by anet. Either change the LoS on ACs or what ever. I was only stating that it can be done with out “hacking” Eyefinity is a monitor setup that people commonly use but sadly it gives them a advantage in WvW. Its not really the users fault and personally I don’t hold it against them for using it (since morals in a video game can gray area) Anet just needs to do something about ACs.

katniss.6735:

Inc 1000 more people doing it after reading this.^

Meh, After reading the countless threads on this subject in the last few weeks I figure any one that comes to these forums are well aware of these…

The problem with reporting is that it may not be a “zoom hack” there are ways around it that have nothing to do with “hacking” You can go into windowed mode and stretch your screen or Eyefinity neither of which are cheating technically but still unfair. That said no reason to start a debate on that there are plenty of threads on that subject.

Zagan.5287:

goodnight JQ. have a good week

Still don’t have it? Taking long enough….

Erzian.5218:

Zikory.6871:

Please, Do tell, What are you referring to as irony and exaggeration?

I have do admit I find it amusing, if people do not understand rhetorical devices and just try to argue, but since you asked for an explanation, there you go

Irony: rhetorical device to convey a meaning that is the opposite of its literal meaning, in my original post simply the “Good point” because “Stealth does no damage” is not a a good point if it is criticized that thieves can reset/leave combat at will.

Exaggeration is simply the act of overstating/exaggerating (to state/describe something as bigger/smaller/better/worse etc. than it actually is) in my post the comparison of perma-stealth with perma-block. While there is some similarity (likely to prevent death and making it possible to easily get away alive), everlasting block would obviously be worse, since it is harder/nearly impossible to counter because of the limited amount of unblockable skills (which doesn’t change the fact that block does not equal invincibility btw)
The last sentence is a mixture: it is obviously not a serious suggestions to give every class a block skill and even if it shouldn’t last forever.

Original post:

Erzian.5218:

Erzian.5218:

I think the bigger factor that people miss is that:

Stealth deals 0 damage. It is a deception skill. It needs no counter (which it still has btw) because it cannot hurt an opposing player.

Good point, lets increase the duration of all block skills that don’t do damage to infinite because they deal 0 damage and don’t hurt opposing players and they still have counters (unblockable skills).
Oh and don’t forget to give an everlasting block skill to every class that doesn’t have one yet.

Thanks for clearing that up. So what I’m getting from this is you have no valid argument other then “omg OP” People are trying to get constructive feed back for and against stealth yet you find the need to be sarcastic and rhetorical, thus adding nothing constructive to the conversation and pushing this thread closer to getting locked due to being nothing but a troll.

By “overstating/exaggerating” all you’re doing is opening your self up to a controversial conversation which no one will win. Your points are outlandish because of your exaggeration and people will take the “troll bait” to debate you. Even if you truly cared about this subject, you are no longer creditable because you basically fessed up to being a troll.

Next time try to be constructive on the subject of stealth, some people really want to see it fixed and balance for everyone with out breaking the class.

Thedenofsin.7340:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ACOxV5CA52w

End thread.

No other profession has this kind of advantage over other players. No other profession can solo groups of players like this. It needs a very heavy nerf.

Yishis is a great thief no doubt about that but its funny that you would think because he is able to get 18 minutes of footage that this is what he does all day. These are high light reels of a thief that plays in a small group roaming guild. With enough time any class could make a video like this…

Erzian.5218:

protip: none of the 2 terms applies to block because of “unblockable”

Also if you feel the need to discuss about the “idea” of everlasting block you probably don’t know the irony and exaggeration either.

Please, Do tell, What are you referring to as irony and exaggeration?

I don’t understand why people say running is your best option to fight a thief because you’ll never kill them. Honestly just learn to fight them and stop running. If you fight a thief and get them low, they will run and reset the fight. Now you can get out of combat and WP or get more distance, stop just trying to blow all your skills to run away, you’re probably not going to get away.

Erzian.5218:

Renxian.6982:

I think the bigger factor that people miss is that:

Stealth deals 0 damage. It is a deception skill. It needs no counter (which it still has btw) because it cannot hurt an opposing player.

Good point, lets increase the duration of all block skills that don’t do damage to infinite because they deal 0 damage and don’t hurt opposing players and they still have counters (unblockable skills).
Oh and don’t forget to give an everlasting block skill to every class that doesn’t have one yet.

Your argument is moot, Stealth is not infinite by its self. It requires at least 2 skills plus initiative…I understand what you’re trying to say but a infinite unblockable skill is not comparable.

Revenant.5470:

You can’t way point back into EB during the puzzle – must take the portal back at the start and that takes u to LA (not sure if u can complete the puzzle and get tp’ed back into EB but that’s effort )

lol That wouldn’t work, people would filter guilds through the JP to over populate EB. Think if you queued EB then had everyone go into the JP so you could requeue the map. Then have everyone in the puzzle finish so they could get back into EB. You could double the EB population that way.

Lillie.9106:

Um, why don’t you just repair while in EB? Leave the jumping puzzle and repair at spawn. Am I missing something here? There should be no need for you to exit and re-enter EB…

Doesn’t work that way anymore. After entering the puzzle you leave the EB population so to enter EB you have to requeue.

Lillie.9106:

styx.7294:

I always hear about tier 1.5 for Tarnished Coast but I do wonder how they would do against Jade Quarry. I think Jade Quarry/Tarnished Coast/Dragonbrand or Blackgate/Jade Quarry/Tarnished Coast would be interesting to see.

I’d love a BG/JQ/TC face-off, as a BG player. The last time we played against TC, they unfortunately got badly stomped but honestly, JQ hasn’t seen 1st or second place in T1 in months – TC would have a really great chance to shine here.

JQ got second place last week

Berk.8561:

I’d rather be fighting an uphill battle as an underdog than being bored by the lack of challenge or mired in skill lag after enduring a queue to even start playing.

I agree being the underdog is fun but wouldn’t having a match where you could never know who would win? Where there is no top dog or underdog? Right now “tier 1” is very close to that, JQ is the weakest but by a very small margin, they beat SoR last week.

irishhaf.1692:

Lol… you couldnt pay me to play on one of those zer tastic long que time filled servers..

Tbh the only time you will find long queues on BG is reset night, during the week you might find a 15 min queue on one map but that doesn’t happen as much as you think. Also the only weekdays that you might find queues across all maps is if the server plans a server wide push and even then the queues aren’t that long. This is during NA prime, the other time zones tend to have float teams that might queue one map at a time but never all 4. I would assume the same could be said for SoR and JQ.

DeadlySynz.3471:

Zikory.6871:

@DeadlySynz – I don’t think you understand why the top 3 are “stacked” servers. The reason for the top 3 to keep recruiting guilds is to have 24 hour coverage so at any point in the day the fights will be the same. The point is to have a real 24 hour battle where servers don’t have time slots where guilds can only PvD because there is no one to fight. Also so 1 guild doesn’t have to try and juggle all 4 maps by floating. PPT and winning is the goal but the fights are what everyone in T1 wants and they are only getting better.

I don’t think anyone should give TC a hard time for there recruitment strategy. It’s obvious they had 24 hour coverage in mind which makes them top contender to try and break into “tier 1” Unforchantly they are at a huge disadvantage (as far as rating gos) to knock out any of the top 3 (BG/SoR/JQ) With the random matches hopefully TC gets their chance at a T1 match but the down side to that is the current top 3 will have to be split up and will make “tier 2” very lopsided.

Honestly instead of complaining about coverage and saying they should transfer, maybe you should look into transferring to a “tier” that better fits your interests. Just to point out that “tier 1” has the closest and most even match up. This week SoR takes first with JQ last, while last week BG took first and SoR took last. Complain all you want about the top 3 eating guilds but we are more even then we have ever been and I would assume all 3 servers will still pick up a few more guilds to fill in particular time slots.

The fights would be even across all servers if the population was split up, not stacked on 3-5 servers. That’s what some of these people (and guilds) don’t seem to understand. That’s aimed at the guilds who transferred over to either SoR, JQ, or BG in the past little while. They aren’t the only problem, but they are a large cause of it. It isn’t necessary to have all 4 maps stacked to the point it’s que’d at any given time of day/night.

If players and guilds can’t figure that out on their own, then perhaps it’s time Anet stepped in and evened everything out themselves. It is not necessary to have all 4 maps covered 24/7. It’s not going to affect the play.

The smartest thing Anet can do at the moment is lock the top 5 servers down from any transfers then evaluate exactly the population on each one. Next, target the guilds that transferred over to the top 3 servers in the past 2-3 months, refund there gems, and return them to their previous server. Like that group that moved from FA over to BG.. completely unnecessary. Then start pulling guilds out and distributing them across all servers evenly. Then once that’s done, lock all servers down from transfers completely.

What your going to find is the numbers will be even, coverage even, and you’ll find WvW population growing. Not bandwagoning to the top 5 servers.

This is coming from someone sitting on TC in these lopsided match ups.

Sadly I don’t think Anet should or will intervene in anyway. People move servers for a lot of reasons and even though the match up thread doesn’t reflect the respect the top 3 have for each other, all 3 servers try to influence guilds to other servers. Currently the last few major transfers were suggested DB/FA/SoS BUT we can only influence the choice not make it.

The guild that moved from FA to BG made there choice to do so and was not recruited, we welcomed them with open arms and they have been a huge help to try and compete with SoR’s very strong NA prime groups. I can not speak for them as what the reasons are for moving, but there could be a number of reasons.

I Anet manually forced guilds and players to other servers against their will, you can guarantee a lot of unhappy players and that would not be good for the game. Lock the servers? What if a friend wants to come join me on my server so we can play together? Anet tells him to get kitten?

I’m sorry “tier 2” isn’t that great for you but “tier 1” is akittens best, the most even we have ever seen it. Call it a bandwagon or what ever but SoR/BG/JQ offer something much different then other servers. A lot of people on these servers worked there kitten off to make this match up what it is today.

@DeadlySynz – I don’t think you understand why the top 3 are “stacked” servers. The reason for the top 3 to keep recruiting guilds is to have 24 hour coverage so at any point in the day the fights will be the same. The point is to have a real 24 hour battle where servers don’t have time slots where guilds can only PvD because there is no one to fight. Also so 1 guild doesn’t have to try and juggle all 4 maps by floating. PPT and winning is the goal but the fights are what everyone in T1 wants and they are only getting better.

I don’t think anyone should give TC a hard time for there recruitment strategy. It’s obvious they had 24 hour coverage in mind which makes them top contender to try and break into “tier 1” Unforchantly they are at a huge disadvantage (as far as rating gos) to knock out any of the top 3 (BG/SoR/JQ) With the random matches hopefully TC gets their chance at a T1 match but the down side to that is the current top 3 will have to be split up and will make “tier 2” very lopsided.

Honestly instead of complaining about coverage and saying they should transfer, maybe you should look into transferring to a “tier” that better fits your interests. Just to point out that “tier 1” has the closest and most even match up. This week SoR takes first with JQ last, while last week BG took first and SoR took last. Complain all you want about the top 3 eating guilds but we are more even then we have ever been and I would assume all 3 servers will still pick up a few more guilds to fill in particular time slots.

Just remember that what ever is done for PvE is done for WvW. PvP can be separate but the devs stated that they don’t want to make the skill mechanics to different between the 2 other wise it would be to hard for players to adjust to the 2 different game modes.

IMO Ascended Aqua Breather!

The person might have been pushed through the gate by a skill or something on accident. I’v seen it happen to a few people where they will randomly get ported into the objective they were attacking and not be sure why. Not sure that is the case but if he didn’t use the glitch to his advantage and stayed on the door then I wouldn’t worry about it.

You should mess around with 30/30/0/0/0 to pick up the new burning trait. It would mesh well with rabid because of the crit. The extra 10 points would be up to you depending on what minor trait you want

Wolbryne.4037:

bg and jq zergs stand on each side of a tower/keep. one server keeping reinforcements off and the other one attacking said tower/keep. Then when the two zone blobs run in to eachother, they don’t attack eachother but actually stop and back paddle away from eachother. It’s pretty kitten obvious. We can see it, you know we can see it and you still deny it. it’s rich..

This is interesting, what would you expect one of those servers to do? JQ and BG wasting resources fighting each other while SoR sits there with a keep to defend them selves? I mean why would JQ and BG fight each other at a SoR keep while neither of them are in? “Back paddle away” Why would JQ or BG risk a wipe and lose all the progress they have made and give SoR a chance to collect them selves?

Honestly last week felt like SoR and JQ were 2v1’ing BG this week it seems like BG and JQ vs SoR. Think of it this way, with all of your L33T skills you can have more people to wipe and fights to be had. But based off your complaints I’m assuming the bags aren’t as plentiful as you make them out to be.

Kruzis.7419:

Zikory.6871:

Kruzis.7419:

Zikory.6871:

Kruzis.7419:

You guys needed the picture, here ya go.

I never doubted you for a second!

To keep this on topic so it doesn’t get locked!

Why do you think its a “problem”? Do you feel that it happens to SoR? What would you suggest as a fix to this “problem” would be?

I just think Arena Net should warn the servers, if there are going to be 2v1s, then ArenaNet will show some discipline.

I’m not sure I understand. With 3 independent servers I’m sure they were aware that a 2v1 could happen. What do you mean “warn” like a disclaimer or during battle? And what do you mean “ArenaNet will show some discipline”

They should warn on the forums, and discipline as in, kicking them out of tier 1 for a short time.

Honestly I was trying to give a chance but it doesn’t seem like your really into it. Random 2v1s happen all day, there is not way to tell if 2 servers are in contact with each other or just feeding off whats happening on the battle field. Or even just going for easy points. I can’t see a way that Anet could warn people that there is a 2v1 going on…unless its a disclaimer stating that is it possible to happen.

As for " kicking them out of tier 1 for a short time." That wouldn’t be fair to other servers. There is a reason SoR/BG/JQ fight each other every week, we have the coverage to compete with each other and lower tier servers do not. 2 weeks ago you saw what SoR and BG did not being in the same tier. For SoR it was bad enough some of TW transferred because of the imbalance.

Kruzis.7419:

Zikory.6871:

Kruzis.7419:

You guys needed the picture, here ya go.

I never doubted you for a second!

To keep this on topic so it doesn’t get locked!

Why do you think its a “problem”? Do you feel that it happens to SoR? What would you suggest as a fix to this “problem” would be?

I just think Arena Net should warn the servers, if there are going to be 2v1s, then ArenaNet will show some discipline.

I’m not sure I understand. With 3 independent servers I’m sure they were aware that a 2v1 could happen. What do you mean “warn” like a disclaimer or during battle? And what do you mean “ArenaNet will show some discipline”

Kruzis.7419:

You guys needed the picture, here ya go.

I never doubted you for a second!

To keep this on topic so it doesn’t get locked!

Why do you think its a “problem”? Do you feel that it happens to SoR? What would you suggest as a fix to this “problem” would be?

Kruzis.7419:

If you want to see me in SoR, go to heart of the mists, or even WvW I can meet you there. :P

Rock out a screen shot real quick! But make it good like mid stomp on a BG player with your tag on! Or just in Vally in EBG I guess….

Quenta.2978:

Kruzis.7419:

HoukaKetsueki.6924:

Lol, who’s this Kruzis.7419 guy? I think he’s another fairweather commander in EBG. I’m always in WvW never seen this guy before. Or a troll account. Just because 1 dude said we’re being 2v1 and complained, doesn’t mean the whole server hates it.

Lol, who am I? I am a commander of Sactum of Rall, I don’t care if you haven’t seen me, I am on. I am also a massive PvP player, who has won serveral titles, and I know you don’t care what I have won.

I can’t believe no one knew who you were.

Bro! Hes Massive!

bhagwad.4281:

Actually to make it perfectly fair, whenever you kill a person you should get all their gear. I mean…you killed them right?

+1 bhagwad has spoken! Anet make it so!

Jahn.7019:

OP doesn’t even play on SoR.

He plays on BG.

Nah Uh! He plays on CD!

Kruzis.7419:

@ everyone, I said “Who thinks Arena Net should stop this problem?” I didn’t ask otherwise, now if you are here to post something about his question, post it. But if you are here to just troll, don’t post at all.

Before I answer your question, I need to clear it up a bit so I can fully understand it.
You think Arena Net should intervene in matches because they are seemingly unfair to one of three servers?
Also Why would you define it as a “problem”? Is it a problem because you feel its unfair to your server to have to deal with 2 other servers in a three way match?
Lastly, what would your alternative to your so called problem be?

Lanceor.2763:

Wow i’m from JQ and I’ve never heard of us teaming up with another server.

It’s ok Lanceor, we have to tell them now! These lies are hurting our relationship! JQ completes us! <3

Masamoon.3864:

Choo isn’t allowed to troll the forums actually, guild policy. If you think anyone with a Choo tag in their sig is trolling, feel free to send a Tytos Hill a message. He might laugh at you, he might not. But I am 100% serious when I say we’re not allow to troll.

Ha I see what you did there…A troll post about not trolling…clever

Burl.9567:

It’s amazing how many BG posters suddenly started posting again. I wonder where they were?

Narnia probably…there was a sale on wardrobes recently.

Ryan.9387:

Zikory.6871:

Kruzis.7419:

Zikory.6871:

Kruzis, you delete this right now! Blackgate holds rights on complaining about 2v1! See you in court!

That is why they are winning? :P

Yup, Blackgate stopped buying guilds and bought JQ. After much delegation, I believe JQ will find that they will be quite happy as a premier guild on Blackgate.

It pays to be the 1% Zikory. I feel so bad for all the poor SoR, maybe they should apply for a loan?

With the current economy the interest rates might be a bit high. Best thing to do is just watch their spending habits. More rams less golems imo

JoePhuket.8045:

Raven.9603:

Kruzis.7419:

Everyone, I did not post this just to get thrown back in my face, tiers do NOT have to do with population, Sactum of Rall was once in tier 2 – 3, and by points, they got into tier 1.

right. you got more points when the WvW population of SOR outnumbered the WvW population of your enemies.

There is not skill in winning WvW. Only coverage.

NO, it is pure skill, pure comunity , pure coordination for SOR to win.
for others to win it is just coverage

Not true, Blackgate is working with Anet to see how many gems we have to buy for them to pad the scores. Pay to Win!

Kruzis.7419:

Zikory.6871:

Kruzis, you delete this right now! Blackgate holds rights on complaining about 2v1! See you in court!

That is why they are winning? :P

Yup, Blackgate stopped buying guilds and bought JQ. After much delegation, I believe JQ will find that they will be quite happy as a premier guild on Blackgate.

Kruzis, you delete this right now! Blackgate holds rights on complaining about 2v1! See you in court!

Masamoon.3864:

3. I rarely post, so no. Get a life.

I try to post civil but if you want to fire, i’ll be sure you make your kitten kitten cry.

Doubtful considering “Get a life” Is a complete cop out and unoriginal. But to stay on topic could one pick up a life in Lions arch or would you need to buy it with gems?

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Bag_of_Loot

It’s a bit simpler then what you assume. Every loot bag you get has a chance of 0-2 badges to be in it assuming the player is level 80. (It is based off level but I’m not sure what the cut off is before you don’t qualify for 2 possible badges.) All you have to do is get enough damage on the target to “tag” them so you qualify for a “bag of loot”

I don’t disagree with your points but sadly I think slowing down everyone would be considered a game breaking nerf. Most everyone is probably so used to it current state that changing it could have a very negative effect on the population.

Personally the best part of this game is the fast paced movement and mobility in and out of combat. Removed that and I doubt this would be my go to game as it is now.

Raven Paradox.1860:

BG pulls all day shifts while SoR is taking a break. We’ve seen it happen before.

Lol get over your self. Hey BG players you can only play guild wars in time slots of 4 hours then have to take a mandatory break! We want to reduce the amount of excuses Raven Paradox is going to use because of his unhealthy hate for Blackgate.

DrMatt.9408:

atm people in wvw just run into it, but people are going to learn eventually so not sure how useful it will be in the long run

I think I will have a good effect for a while. I still see people run into Guardian walls over and over.

styx.7294:

thiagoperne.7340:

styx.7294:

So now someone gets to have 100 power and 250 vitality for being higher WvW rank? This is troubling.

Huh.. what?

From maxing the two guard lines. I think that’s the buffs you get?

Yup To min/max your toon in WvW you will need to max both guard trait lines. 230 ranks I think…

It would probably be extremely useful but I doubt anet would allow such a function considering I don’t think they have even released the population caps on the maps.

So tonight we had a grief commander in our EBG. He tagged up and would pull a decent amount of pugs off the main commander with out really doing anything. Point is some people are just there to have fun and just lemming the zerg. Adding more tags to the field would probably add more confusion. That just seems like the down side to me.

jdmThor.3806:

so.

at level 40+ or so, my cond damage was around 1200-1300 uplevelled to 80 in wvw with level 35 rares. full cond gear.

at level 77, my cond damage is 820 or so uplevelled to 80 in wvw with level 65 rares. full cond gear.

this happened kind of gradually over the past month with every patch, till the latest one where my cond damage suddenly just went from around 1k to around 800.

what is this excrement?

If I remember right from someone doing a test a while back the level difference between your current level and gear level makes a difference as well. When you were level 40 there was only a 5 level difference vs when you were level 77 having a 11 level difference. Mind you this test was posted on reddit about 4-5 months back.

Inverted.7439:

So… i’m quite new in T1 but i was just wondering. Does everyone dance/laugh on your corpse or is it just most people?

Personally I find /laugh and /dance to be a lot of work. I find jumping on people much more entertaining, but then again I sometime act like this is a parkour game.

I feel SoR and JQ /laugh a lot but in my case its probably justified so I take no offence to it…

SlothBear.9846:

Mattargul.9235:

Retaliation – don’t fight
Torment – don’t move
Confusion – don’t do anything
? – don’t even show your face around here

Giving Torment to thieves is this ArenaNet’s way of saying don’t bother trying to catch them when they run away? Seriously if you want to solo roam I’m not seeing the reason to play any other class anymore. Oh well. Had to level the thief eventually I suppose.

There is a possible leak going around and if its true…
Skale Venom: Replaced Weakness with Torment.

I’m not sure how many thieves currently use skale venom but it might be more used now.

I think its funny you would expect or want BG to push guilds to JQ. BG has not had a recruitment thread for quite a long time (as far I can remember) yet guild choose to come here. Whats best for the tier is always discussed but in the end the guild has final say on were to go. If a guild decides to come to BG over somewhere, it in BG’s best interest to support that guild as it is now part of our community.

I’m not sure how I would feel about increased treb distance. It would have a drastic effect on the current meta. To many speculation points to guess if it would be good or bad.

SykkoB.9465:

I have a word for it HAWT

Fixed